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compare/contrast charlotte, NC and raleigh, NC
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: Thriller antidepressant drug might have to stay in the north carolina region for the indefinite future. have heard great things about charlotte, but have heard horrible things about raleigh. describe each so i can narrow my job search. tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15978347) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:59 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib "might have to stay"? north carolina is one of the best places to live in the country.
not sure how you've heard horrible things about raleigh. IMO it's one of the best metro. areas in the entire country. there's a reason it was the fastest growing city in the entire nation last year. it has the second- or third highest number of college graduates and advanced degree graduates of any metro. area in the country (trades places at the top with seattle and the SF bay area). it's a beautiful place to live - four seasons but none of them too extreme. lots of space, and you can buy a home with a nice yard for dirt cheap. the entire metro. is built in a forest. when you're driving around, it's tough to tell that 1.7 million people live there. also, it's two hours to gorgeous beaches. two hours to the mountains. outside of the metro., it's sparsely populated so you can easily be out in nature and more or less to yourself.
the metro. area itself is outstanding. it has a strong farm-to-table movement in its cuisine and is a wonderful foodie city. every ethnic cuisine is well represented - you won't find a huge NUMBER for each cuisine, but each is represented very well. basically, take the top few places of each genre you'd find in SF, for example, and transplant them in raleigh, and that's basically what you have. it's tough to find shitty food in the area.
because the population is educated, you have access to great culture and activities. the carolina performing arts lineup of performing artists rivals any collection of artists you'd find in places like SF. nightlife is a bit weak, but chapel hill has a pretty good scene. i like the music scene a lot in the area - a pimento cheese sandwich while listening to bluegrass/folk on a friday evening is tough to beat.
the people in raleigh are generally cool to be around. they are either educated southerners or northern transplants who wanted to chill out a bit. it makes for a great community vibe. i like it more than charlotte - charlotte is what you'd expect to find if you gave bankers the opportunity to build a city from scratch - it's very sterile and stepford, with a lot of vanilla shit like pro sports teams and NASCAR. but it has no "soul" to it. still, i'd consider living there too because the dollar goes so far - you can have a $250k house on a lake and an acre of land but still only a 20-min commute into downtown.
listen, i've been to what many people consider the "promised land." i work biglaw in the SF Bay Area. i live in a place that many people consider the epitome of a diverse city with tons of shit to do and beautiful nature all around. but i would take a 50% salary cut and my left nut just to get back to the triangle. (raleigh/durham/chapel hill).
EDIT: pls DESCRIBE what you'll be working in the area. if you take either raleigh or charlotte, i'd gladly take the other one. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: Thriller antidepressant drug interesting take man. very interesting.
i'll be working in corp finance in the nc region.
basically i had just heard raleigh was a suburban hellhole. i've never actually been though. i will definitely consider it a bit more after reading your post though. thanks
also, if you love the area so much why not move? are there no jobs in your field in the area? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:02 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat i heard what you heard. charlotte's worse. and the rest of the state is completely unlivable -- ARE country red necks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982038) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:04 PM Author: ruddy personal credit line asheville is one of the coolest towns in america dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982053) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:05 PM Author: Buck-toothed Red Boiling Water Jewess small though, probably hard to find jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982062) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:06 PM Author: ruddy personal credit line probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982066) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:10 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat not trying to be an ass, man. know nothing about asheville, so you may well be right. but it's my understanding that outside of the triangle, charlotte, (and ashevile?) most of NC is stereotypical backward south. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982091) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:11 PM Author: ruddy personal credit line most of any state is stereotypical backward whatever, go into upstate new york or the red parts of cali if you'd like asheville is sweet though and about as hippified as a town can be |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat that's fair. tell me more about asheville (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982123) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: ruddy personal credit line nice little downtown, tons of organic/local produce type restaurants that aren't that expensive, sweet beers etc, low col and the smokies, which are pretty sweet looking and filled with shit to do if you're into that stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982146) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:24 PM Author: Fluffy pozpig there are no jobs in asheville other than barista and head shop cashier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982205) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:44 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib definitely not ARE country red necks in the rural areas. i've lived in SC, GA, FL, and NC among other places, and NC rural places are distinctly different. even the rural areas are well maintained and generally appear "well off" compared to their farther south brethren.
i'm also of a mixed heritage, and i could go as deep into the rural areas as you can possibly go in NC, and not once did i ever get a strange or peculiar glance from the locals. i'd make an exception for fayetteville, nc, which is an absolute shithole, but otherwise north carolinians are kickin' it pretty well. maybe it's because the UNC school system has been strong since like forever.
in my experience red areas of california (like the central valley) are more podunk. but like a poster above mentions, this is an aspect of "rural," not "rural south" |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:38 PM Author: unhinged ivory haunted graveyard "four seasons but none of them too extreme"
no, it's relatively hot. very little snow in winter and summers are hot and humid |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib fair. i guess winters bother me more than summers. still, if you look at the temp. splits for raleigh, you get 30/50 for january and 70/90 for july. the intense heat/humidity period only lasts from mid-june to about now, though. compared to where i grew up (florida), that's easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982368) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: unhinged ivory haunted graveyard ithaca ftw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982596) |
Date: September 6th, 2010 2:37 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15978639) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:37 PM Author: Violet space love of her life Raleigh is pretty credited dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15978642) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:42 PM Author: Indigo mentally impaired dog poop wheres drunkard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15979086) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:04 PM Author: Fluffy pozpig Raleigh's economy is much better than Charlotte right now.
If you like big cities, you won't like Raleigh very much, but its downtown is getting better. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat durham's more urban, no? dude could probably live there and commute to raleigh no problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982109) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: ruddy personal credit line durham is a shithole from what I've seen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982113) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:23 PM Author: Fluffy pozpig Durham to Raleigh commute isn't terrible since most of the traffic is going the other direction (Raleigh to RTP).
Raleigh is trying to be little Atlanta with 3-4 "downtowns". Someday it will probably work, but it hasn't yet.
There are parts of Durham that are livable, but not many. Just live where the Dookies live. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:51 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib if you live in Durham, you'll want to live anywhere west and southwest of Duke University (toward Chapel Hill), or right at the university in apartments around erwin road or near 9th street. anywhere east of that is a "war zone" (gentrifying rapidly, but still a bit suspect to call home). downtown has changed massively since i first saw it in 2005. it was a rundown hellhole back then, and now it's cleaned up and filling up with shops, restaurants, etc. if i wanted to run a small business, i would try to secure a long-term retail space there while rent is still low and watch the business pour in as the area continues to develop.
i did the durham-raleigh commute for a short period and never encountered anything other than freeway speeds going into raleigh in the morning and back to durham in the evening (because it's against the RTP traffic - for some reason all the engineers live down in Cary). i could make it from durham to downtown raleigh in 30-35 min. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:57 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum Your parameters leave out a bunch of great neighborhoods (Trinity Park, Watts-Hillandale, Old North Durham, Duke Park, etc.) on the near northside. The dangerous areas are really east of Roxboro/Mangum and south of Interstate 85, and even some of those (Cleveland Holloway) are starting to gentrify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982483) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:03 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat where would you rent in durham for a year or two? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982565) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:11 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum If I was looking for a nice apartment/condo type deal I'd want to be in one of the old tobacco warehouses, West Village or American Tobacco.
If I was looking for more of a small house, I dig what's going on in the Old North Durham area because it's convenient to all the new, interesting stuff going on in the Central Park area. Trinity Park is always pretty credited too because of its easy access to 9th Street and Brightleaf
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:17 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982768) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:07 PM Author: Buck-toothed Red Boiling Water Jewess charlotte is one of the most boring cities of its size in the country. its like any generic city with 500k people
raleigh meanwhile is somewhat interesting for its size. diverse regional economy and interest of state gov't and city feels more naturally grown. also benefits from being in one of the biggest university hubs in the country and near all the good things about college towns |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:20 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat raleigh's just a massive suburb though, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982170) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:49 PM Author: Exhilarant Canary National Shitlib because the triangle area has three "foci" (chapel hill, durham, raleigh) that have been around forever, you get more distinct styles than just massive suburbia. sure, if you grew up somewhere like the northeast, the endless strip malls will surprise you. but commute times in the triangle area aren't that bad (one of the 10 easiest commutes of a major metro. area as recently rated by Forbes or some shit). compares favorably to atlanta or even charlotte.
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:01 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum Pretty credited.
North Raleigh, Durham south of I-40, and big swaths of Chapel Hill do have a never-ending-suburban feel to them. And there are some areas inside the beltline in Raleigh that have that old-suburban feel to them.
All the new suburban towns surrounding Raleigh are tract home shit. But there are some great, urban neighborhoods inside the beltline. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat "great, urban neighborhoods inside the beltline."
share a couple examples? someone mentioned a gig to me in the triangle, and i just sorta blew off the whole idea. but this thread has me intrigued, and i'd like to investigate. i've lived in nyc for many years, just so you know where i'm coming from. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:18 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum I guess it depends on what you're looking for. Much of Raleigh's nightlife is in Glenwood South and they've got a decent number of relatively new condo/apartment mid-rises in that area. I really like Five Points and if I was moving to Raleigh would probably try to buy in one of the neighborhoods that make that up.
The rule of thumb in the triangle is that people coming from bigger/northeastern cities like NYC tend to be more attracted to Durham, while the people coming from smaller/midwestern and/or suburban cities tend to be more attracted to Raleigh, fwiw. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:31 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat what about downtown raleigh near the rbc condos?
www.rbcplazacondos.com |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:39 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum Definitely. There are some good bars and restaurants in that area. That building backs up to Fayetteville Street, which until recently was a pedestrian mall. Once they did a big streetscape project and reopened it to traffic that area started to really come alive again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15983080) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:02 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat dude, "endless strip malls"? that seems to differ from your description, above, which sounded pretty cool.
where would you rent for a year or two? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:05 PM Author: Buck-toothed Red Boiling Water Jewess you seem to be under the impression that there are sunbelt cities that are not endless strip malls. there arent. rdu just has comparatively less of that and more interesting things than an average sunbelt city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982589) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:08 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat dude, i rarely stray below canal street, let alone to sunbelt cities. lol. thanks for learnin me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982622) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:08 PM Author: Bronze disrespectful laser beams forum For me it would depend where the job was. If work was in downtown Raleigh I'd definitely be inside the beltline, probably in Glenwood South, the Warehouse District, Five Points or maybe University Park
If the job was in RTP or farther west, I'd be in downtown Durham because I prefer it to Raleigh |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:16 PM Author: demanding yapping kitty cat job would be in raleigh. but a durham -> raleigh commute doesn't seem too bad on google maps. i40 a bitch during rush hour? wouldn't most of the traffic be going the other way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982761) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:17 PM Author: Fluffy pozpig That direction is fine. I-40 going durham-raleigh at evening rush is as bad as anything you'll find in DC, Atlanta, or LA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415908&forum_id=2#15982777) |