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Some Observations on the LSAT from a 1L

After a semester of ls, I've discovered that the games secti...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
lol you must have done poorly if you can't see how the skill...
slate parlor mediation
  02/07/10
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mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
flame. there are lots of games-like elements in the stuff yo...
sienna forum mad cow disease
  02/07/10
To be fair, the OP is a 1L (just like me.) We wouldn't know ...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
Like what? I'm a 2nd semester 2L and I haven't seen anything...
Chartreuse histrionic bawdyhouse
  02/07/10
upper level classes? By games I assume you mean minesweeper?
Swashbuckling native filthpig
  02/07/10
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jet boyish church
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not only that, but if you declare that you want to go to law...
wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor
  02/07/10
counterargument: reading cases is unimportant, the exam is l...
Claret talented set
  02/08/10
Hmm.. Maybe you have a point but those are the rules. ...
Self-absorbed razzle-dazzle knife
  02/07/10
cr
Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit
  02/07/10
Yeah, totally dude. A bunch of different rules, a fact scena...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
i agree with OP. games-like reasoning is required in some u...
carnelian indian lodge
  02/07/10
i was a history major and nothing i saw rose to the difficul...
deranged scarlet casino potus
  02/07/10
your analogy is shitty. in college you are forced to take...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
How are you forced to take math in college? Not all colleges...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
link to stats not being math?
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Philosophy doesn't even require stats though. Same with soci...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
TTT
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
stats aren't math?
wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor
  02/07/10
a) stats is math, b) any decent college requires at least 1-...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
dude, new school and sarah lawrence are RIGOROUS
wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor
  02/07/10
rofl
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
If you think the LSAT games are difficult, you're a fucking ...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
I think you must have sucked on reading comp.
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Nope.
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
oh, well it's interesting how you read the idea that I thoug...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
So you're argument is that by your OP you meant: "games...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
Again, you misread my post. Jesus dude, are you a native spe...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
What part of how to read a thread don't you understand? I wa...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
but you responded to mine bro. it's cool though
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
lol learn to read aspie
carnelian indian lodge
  02/07/10
cr
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
I agree. I think RC and LR are much more applicable. I was s...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
Right. LG style reasoning seems useless. People here claim y...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
thank you, 1.5L, for imparting your SAGE WISDOM to an up-and...
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
link to me attempting to impart wisdom? sorry you have re...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
*stretches arms* *leans back in chair* "listen ki...
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
you're right, you can definitely read my post as giving advi...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
you are a good dood
Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit
  02/07/10
Honestly dude, I wondered how I can be in the top 1% of LSAT...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
u mad
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
no, friend.
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
"maybe you haven't heard, but i'm in the TOP 1% of LSAT...
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
just a reminder bro
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
So you're not just TOP THIRD at CCN? Jesus, that hefty intel...
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
obviously you don't go to a good ls
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Obviously not, bro. I really wish I could get top 1/3 and la...
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
t6 law schools aren't full of retards like your ls. it's a *...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
That's right, dude. Be proud of your accomplishments. There ...
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
GET OUT OF MY THREAD ASS FACE skadden secure
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
lol u mad
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
no friend
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
lulz rude
slate parlor mediation
  02/07/10
you might make top third at your t-38 if you work hard and l...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
*works hard* *gets a couple of B+'s and an A-* *basks ...
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
sorry about your shitty ls bro, enjoy unemployment/depressio...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
All kidding aside, you should consider toning down the douch...
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
no wai pal, i earned it -skadden secure
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
How does LG relate to upper level courses? I'm a 1L and not ...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
i agree with the OP. i aced the logic games by just mechanic...
confused odious shrine
  02/07/10
that's what i did
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Agreed. I think the LG section should be removed, because it...
slate parlor mediation
  02/07/10
Agreed, I think [life] should be removed, because it gives p...
bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration
  02/07/10
at no point in a four-year college degree does anyone have t...
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Not everyone knows that the LGB is as good as it is. To be f...
slate parlor mediation
  02/07/10
"Not everyone knows that the LGB is as good as it is.&q...
excitant deep school cafeteria codepig
  02/07/10
right, that's why I said it would have been more appropriate...
slate parlor mediation
  02/07/10
i've taught lsat for three years, believe me, most people ar...
wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor
  02/07/10
yeah I'm one of them. To do well requires practice + innate ...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
you underestimate the willingness of strivers to sandpaper t...
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i found out about it by googling and looking at amazon lists...
wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor
  02/07/10
buying the lgb takes several minutes online. the lgb can be ...
Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit
  02/07/10
The point is that you're testing your logical reasoning skil...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
the problem with LG is that it's the easiest section to prep...
Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit
  02/07/10
I don't know if that's true... well, yes I improved in logic...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
lol prepping for LG just means copying diagrams from the LGB...
Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit
  02/07/10
I'm OK with math and science, but I just gamed the system. I...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
yeah but my performance had nothing to do with my logical sk...
confused odious shrine
  02/07/10
cr. actually a friend randomly mentioned the bible and i pic...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
If only. I was perfect on LR and RC but got enough LG wrong ...
Self-centered autistic piazza friendly grandma
  02/07/10
How are your ls grades? rank school?
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
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Self-centered autistic piazza friendly grandma
  02/07/10
I thought so too until I took property. The Estates system u...
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  02/07/10
also when you do difficult jurisdictional stuff in civpro or...
sienna forum mad cow disease
  02/07/10
cr. It's MOAR applicable than I thought it would be.
Thriller anal headpube heaven
  02/07/10
dude IDK, this guy has an entire semester of LS under his be...
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
cls has 170-175 25/75 lsat. it's not full of drooling retard...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
lol u mad
Dashing rehab digit ratio
  02/07/10
no friend
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Are you serious, bro? That makes top 1/3 pretty elite.
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
get out of my thread jerkface
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
Why the hostility, broheim?
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
sry friend, i'm a little on edge right now
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
I am now legitimately scared to take civpro... I don't inten...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
civ pro is pretty easy. just get glannon + good flowchart
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
False. See, e.g., corporate tax, property, admin.
painfully honest amber turdskin temple
  02/07/10
good call on corp tax.
sienna forum mad cow disease
  02/07/10
How is CivPro related to GAMES? ...
navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car
  02/07/10
tcq. i don't think there's any relation at all. if anything,...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
By the time that someone has decided that s/he would like to...
exciting stage idea he suggested
  02/07/10
true. that's not the argument i'm making. i'm just saying th...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
I thought that your argument was that, because (aspect) A...
exciting stage idea he suggested
  02/07/10
you're saying that prep materials/knowledge of the test form...
mustard bossy parlour
  02/07/10
the ability to learn the process required for the logic game...
mind-boggling well-lubricated area
  02/08/10
performance on the games section is the single greatest pred...
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cr
mustard bossy parlour
  02/08/10
v-47 was a little predictable, so i give this post a 178.5 (...
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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:40 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

After a semester of ls, I've discovered that the games section is fucking retarded and inapplicable to anything you do in ls, and the nitpicky logical reasoning really only applies to statute reading. There should be two reading comp sections and one LR section, and that's it. Games should be excised entirely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048162)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:41 PM
Author: slate parlor mediation

lol you must have done poorly if you can't see how the skills the logical reasoning sections test are relevant to reading cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048176)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:44 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048218)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:41 PM
Author: sienna forum mad cow disease

flame. there are lots of games-like elements in the stuff you do in upper level classes. killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048177)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:49 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

To be fair, the OP is a 1L (just like me.) We wouldn't know what skills are required for upper year courses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048331)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:55 PM
Author: Chartreuse histrionic bawdyhouse

Like what? I'm a 2nd semester 2L and I haven't seen anything remotely games-like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048432)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:22 PM
Author: Swashbuckling native filthpig

upper level classes? By games I assume you mean minesweeper?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048910)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 1:13 PM
Author: jet boyish church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14054847)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:44 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

not only that, but if you declare that you want to go to law school, you should be exempted from taking the math portion of the sat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048221)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 5:47 AM
Author: Claret talented set

counterargument: reading cases is unimportant, the exam is like a logic game with a far more complicated set of rules, so an LG master can break median simply by showing up with a decent outline (s)he's looked over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14053338)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:41 PM
Author: Self-absorbed razzle-dazzle knife

Hmm..

Maybe you have a point but those are the rules.

Ace it or fail.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048178)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:48 PM
Author: Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048290)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:43 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

Yeah, totally dude. A bunch of different rules, a fact scenario, taking those rules and synthesizing them together to come up with specific answers/outcomes.

Sounds unlike anything I ever did in law school.

Fucking idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048205)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:44 PM
Author: carnelian indian lodge

i agree with OP. games-like reasoning is required in some upper level classes, but the material never rises to the difficulty of the actual LSAT logic games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048210)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:47 PM
Author: deranged scarlet casino potus

i was a history major and nothing i saw rose to the difficulty of teh sat math, so in spite of its predictive capacity for freshman grades, i don't think i should have had to take it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048266)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:48 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

your analogy is shitty.

in college you are forced to take math.

in law school, you don't do anything that resembles assigning animals to cages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048289)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:50 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

How are you forced to take math in college? Not all colleges require this - it's often dependent on major. I only had to take stats for my polisci major.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048343)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:51 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

link to stats not being math?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048358)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:53 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

Philosophy doesn't even require stats though. Same with sociology & a lot of arts majors. I only took it because I was doing some research-intensive stuff with polisci, but not all polisci majors required it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048401)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:54 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

TTT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048419)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:52 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

stats aren't math?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048375)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:53 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

a) stats is math, b) any decent college requires at least 1-2 sems of math

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048393)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:56 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

dude, new school and sarah lawrence are RIGOROUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048457)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:57 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048485)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:48 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

If you think the LSAT games are difficult, you're a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048278)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:49 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

I think you must have sucked on reading comp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048305)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:51 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

Nope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048350)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:51 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

oh, well it's interesting how you read the idea that I thought the games were difficult into my OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048370)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:54 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

So you're argument is that by your OP you meant: "games are easy, but upper-level reasoning is SUPER easy!"

Please, we all know that wasn't what you meant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048415)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:57 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

Again, you misread my post. Jesus dude, are you a native speaker?

I AM NOT COMMENTING ON EASE/DIFFICULTY OF LG. THAT IS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ENTIRELY.

What part of the word "inapplicable" do you not understand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048487)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:01 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

What part of how to read a thread don't you understand? I was responding to a different post than yours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048578)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:03 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

but you responded to mine bro. it's cool though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048619)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:24 PM
Author: carnelian indian lodge

lol learn to read aspie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048933)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:25 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048939)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:48 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

I agree. I think RC and LR are much more applicable. I was surprised how much the LSAT actually relates to the type of reasoning we do in law school... it's quite relevant. The people who say the LSAT doesn't accurately measure abilities in law school or how well you will do in law school.... I think are those who just did poorly on the LS. It's entirely relevant, but LG much less so. You can synthesize rules, etc. from logical reasoning as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048293)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:50 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

Right. LG style reasoning seems useless. People here claim you use this in upper-level classes...like fed courts? lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048334)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:49 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

thank you, 1.5L, for imparting your SAGE WISDOM to an up-and-coming generation of LS students

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048325)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:51 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

link to me attempting to impart wisdom?

sorry you have reading comp problems bro, and can't recognize that this is criticism of the lsat, not advice for 0Ls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048355)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:53 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

*stretches arms*

*leans back in chair*

"listen kids, i've been around the block in LS, okay? i've taken those four classes, and I can tell you that the analytical reasoning section on the LSAT has no relation to one's aptitude for legal studies. maybe you haven't heard, but i'm in the TOP THIRD. fuck all that statistical data and shit; i know the score."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048405)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:55 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

you're right, you can definitely read my post as giving advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048433)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:56 PM
Author: Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit

you are a good dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048454)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:58 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

Honestly dude, I wondered how I can be in the top 1% of LSAT takers nationwide, but from reading xoxo, I realize that people can't read. Seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048509)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:59 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

u mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048519)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:00 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

no, friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048542)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:04 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

"maybe you haven't heard, but i'm in the TOP 1% of LSAT takers."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048629)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:06 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

just a reminder bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048662)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:05 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

So you're not just TOP THIRD at CCN? Jesus, that hefty intellect of yours must weigh you down some.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048640)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:06 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

obviously you don't go to a good ls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048664)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:09 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

Obviously not, bro. I really wish I could get top 1/3 and land SKADDEN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048694)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:09 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

t6 law schools aren't full of retards like your ls. it's a *little* tougher than being king of shit mountain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048701)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:21 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

That's right, dude. Be proud of your accomplishments. There are only 700 other T6 students in the 2012 class who out performed you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048888)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:22 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

GET OUT OF MY THREAD ASS FACE

skadden secure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048912)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:28 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

lol u mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048996)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:29 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

no friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049010)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:10 PM
Author: slate parlor mediation

lulz rude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048716)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:11 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

you might make top third at your t-38 if you work hard and land BIGDUIDEFENSE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048724)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:39 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

*works hard*

*gets a couple of B+'s and an A-*

*basks in glory of top 1/3 rank*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049185)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:40 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

sorry about your shitty ls bro, enjoy unemployment/depression/suicide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049199)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:42 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

All kidding aside, you should consider toning down the douchbaggery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049226)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:43 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

no wai pal, i earned it

-skadden secure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049254)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:52 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

How does LG relate to upper level courses? I'm a 1L and not sure... I would still think even if it does... that LR and RC would be much more applicable for interpretation of statutes, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048376)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:52 PM
Author: confused odious shrine

i agree with the OP. i aced the logic games by just mechanically applying the setups from the logic games bible. i had like 7 minutes left at the end. really what's the point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048384)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:53 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

that's what i did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048390)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:56 PM
Author: slate parlor mediation

Agreed. I think the LG section should be removed, because it gives people with the time/money/resources/social network to prepare correctly a huge advantage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048451)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:57 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine institution internal respiration

Agreed, I think [life] should be removed, because it gives people with the time/money/resources/social network to prepare correctly a huge advantage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048476)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:57 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

at no point in a four-year college degree does anyone have time to buy and learn the lgb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048479)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:59 PM
Author: slate parlor mediation

Not everyone knows that the LGB is as good as it is. To be fair, though, my criticism would have been more appropriate ten years ago, when it wasn't trivially easy for a smart person to figure out how to do well on the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048514)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:02 PM
Author: excitant deep school cafeteria codepig

"Not everyone knows that the LGB is as good as it is."

If only there were an internet . . .



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048595)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:06 PM
Author: slate parlor mediation

right, that's why I said it would have been more appropriate 10 years ago.

Still, it seems silly to test whether people can find and use third party strategies to do well on a section of the test. Why not eliminate it altogether?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048667)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:08 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

i've taught lsat for three years, believe me, most people are incapable of mastering logic games

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048684)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:11 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

yeah I'm one of them. To do well requires practice + innate capabilities obviously... but I think to get 165+ and a good score on logic games, it rests moreso on the latter. A mediocre student with a LGB still won't improve much, I'd think. It's the most difficult section, objectively... (although RC can be difficult as well, but most intelligent arts majors would find it pretty easy, I'd imagine, and doesn't require much studying. LG is the opposite..)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048730)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 5:43 AM
Author: Thirsty meetinghouse gay wizard

you underestimate the willingness of strivers to sandpaper their own dicks for a good score

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14053337)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:02 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

i found out about it by googling and looking at amazon lists, it took me about 3 hours to decide what books to buy. i'm from a very rural and poor background. i see where you're coming from but honestly there is no real barrier anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048604)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:59 PM
Author: Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit

buying the lgb takes several minutes online. the lgb can be assimilated over the course of a few hours each weekend for couple months. the latter is possible for a liberal arts student at a state school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048524)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:56 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

The point is that you're testing your logical reasoning skills.... I can see the point of LG but not necessarily the direct relevance to law school courses. I doubt I'd ever have to use LG reasoning for something like con. law, for instance. Or even torts. Maybe contracts, at best.

But many people have difficulty with LG... you are likely good at math/stats/economics, if you had so little difficulty with it - those types of people (from what I've heard and just my own intuition..) tend to do best at it. And engineering students as well. My arts friends struggled most with this section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048458)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:58 PM
Author: Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit

the problem with LG is that it's the easiest section to prep for and improve upon. improvements with LR and RC are harder to come by and are more in line with natural ability, especially the latter section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048503)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:10 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

I don't know if that's true... well, yes I improved in logic games but not that much. I used LGB as well. LG was probably the section I improved on most... LR I hardly studied and got almost 100% on... but the first few times were brutal (I think because of the time limit and I was overthinking things.) I still found LG by far, the most difficult section even with LGB. And a few of my friends did as well... it's not the easiest section to prep for, but improvements may come the easiest for most people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048703)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:16 PM
Author: Saffron 180 Orchestra Pit

lol prepping for LG just means copying diagrams from the LGB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048818)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:00 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

I'm OK with math and science, but I just gamed the system. I bought the PS bible and practiced set ups.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048532)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: confused odious shrine

yeah but my performance had nothing to do with my logical skills and everything to do with my purchasing a $20 book upon advice from the internet.

the section tests internet resourcefulness more than anything else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048675)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:09 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

cr. actually a friend randomly mentioned the bible and i picked it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048695)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 8:57 PM
Author: Self-centered autistic piazza friendly grandma

If only. I was perfect on LR and RC but got enough LG wrong to not have a ridiculously high score. Doh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048494)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:00 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

How are your ls grades? rank school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048558)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:05 PM
Author: Self-centered autistic piazza friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048642)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:00 PM
Author: Thriller anal headpube heaven

I thought so too until I took property. The Estates system uses some of the same skills that games do. This is also true of some bullshit in Admin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048545)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:01 PM
Author: sienna forum mad cow disease

also when you do difficult jurisdictional stuff in civpro or fedcts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048565)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:03 PM
Author: Thriller anal headpube heaven

cr.

It's MOAR applicable than I thought it would be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048616)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

dude IDK, this guy has an entire semester of LS under his belt and he's TOP THIRD. if he says that the games section of the LSAT is inapposite to legal studies, i believe him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048670)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:08 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

cls has 170-175 25/75 lsat. it's not full of drooling retards like your ls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048683)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:08 PM
Author: Dashing rehab digit ratio

lol u mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048690)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:10 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

no friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048704)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:10 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

Are you serious, bro? That makes top 1/3 pretty elite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048719)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:11 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

get out of my thread jerkface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048733)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:22 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

Why the hostility, broheim?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048900)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:25 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

sry friend, i'm a little on edge right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048954)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:13 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

I am now legitimately scared to take civpro... I don't intend on taking upper year property courses anyway. No interest in corporate law... so I can avoid corporate tax as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048765)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:15 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

civ pro is pretty easy. just get glannon + good flowchart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048799)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:01 PM
Author: painfully honest amber turdskin temple

False. See, e.g., corporate tax, property, admin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048568)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:10 PM
Author: sienna forum mad cow disease

good call on corp tax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048708)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:14 PM
Author: navy jet-lagged trailer park stock car

How is CivPro related to GAMES? ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048778)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:16 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

tcq. i don't think there's any relation at all. if anything, pure memorization is most important

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14048816)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:35 PM
Author: exciting stage idea he suggested

By the time that someone has decided that s/he would like to take the LSAT, s/he has already taken the SAT.

There seems to be no really good reason that explains why anyone preparing for the LSAT should be caught with their pants down unaware of the fact that there is a booming test prep industry that exists, and is there only because it continues to earn a profit by helping test takers achieve their highest possible score.

Its existence is not mystical knowledge nor does it seem a requirement that one should have to work any longer than a single, eight hour shift at, for instance, some silly job, earning $5/hour, if he wishes to acquire the choicest prep materials for his own use.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049114)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:37 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

true. that's not the argument i'm making. i'm just saying the skillset it tests is inapplicable, whereas reading comp/logical reasoning target ls skills directly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049140)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:42 PM
Author: exciting stage idea he suggested

I thought that your argument was that,

because (aspect) A (from the LSAT) does not test for (some) skill set B (applicable to practice in law school)

therefore,

--> A should be dropped from the LSAT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049240)



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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:44 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

you're saying that prep materials/knowledge of the test format & how to prep is widely available. i don't disagree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14049266)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:41 AM
Author: mind-boggling well-lubricated area

the ability to learn the process required for the logic games and then apply that process in a limited time environment is very much what you do in law school. You learn a process for analyzing fact patterns and applying an area of law, and then you apply that process to a fact pattern.

If we didn't have the prep industry, then the games section would be close to useless because nobody would finish and most would get all but 1 or 2 wrong. But, since everyone practices, the logic games weeds out those people who are intellectually incapable of learning the games' process and then applying that process quickly.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14053852)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:47 PM
Author: White sanctuary genital piercing

performance on the games section is the single greatest predictor for both success as a junior associate (the Williamson Scale) and partnership elevation at the v-47 firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14054653)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 1:09 PM
Author: mustard bossy parlour

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14054819)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:51 PM
Author: wonderful old irish cottage fortuitous meteor

v-47 was a little predictable, so i give this post a 178.5 (chicago scale)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14061097)



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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:49 PM
Author: supple lemon goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215657&forum_id=2#14061074)