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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:04 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693589) |
Date: May 26th, 2024 7:05 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Not all but many. A lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693590) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:31 PM Author: Odious Cuck mods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693648) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:32 PM Author: zippy talented locale hunting ground Competence is highly overrated in my experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693649) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693658) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:09 PM Author: silver beady-eyed shitlib Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693746) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 11:46 AM Author: bronze out-of-control fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694986) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 9:12 AM Author: Thriller Multi-billionaire Prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47706738) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 2:52 PM Author: zippy talented locale hunting ground See Trumps lawyers. No amount of competence was ever going to save his ass in NY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47707849) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: bateful cruise ship what the fuck does "legitimately incompetent" mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693657) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe No idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693659) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:37 PM Author: charismatic pink potus Yeah like You. Your client is Deaf and the Appellate Court gave you the “champ” treatment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693662) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:47 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Yeah too bad I had only one case my whole life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693686) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:49 PM Author: charismatic pink potus The “whenever you’re ready,” was devastating iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693692) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:49 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Uh huh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693694) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:56 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich how many federal appeals org args? most people would be at their most prepared in that situation. so why were you an "uhhh umm" spurting idiot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693709) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:54 PM Author: Doobsian lettuce Great post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693703) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:57 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Looking for a fight are we? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693713) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:58 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich youve been waging a mostly one-sided feud against her weeks now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693715) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:59 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693716) |
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Date: May 30th, 2024 1:50 PM Author: Doobsian lettuce Whenever you're ready. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47703857) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:50 PM Author: exhilarant kitty cat When I saw this thread title, I immediately thought of spaceporn. Well, spaceporn and ZZZ/Candy Ride. Also TSINAH. Come to think of it, a lot of the attorneys on this bort are SPS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47708035) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:50 PM Author: Stirring High-end Site almost every attorney is incompetent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693695) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:52 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Many suck. Thank god. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693700) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:55 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich the best metric for competence without first hand info is career trajectory. for instance, id say being a 20th year associate at a pi mill is a good indication someone is incompetent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693705) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:56 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693711) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:57 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich i guess we could also look at oral args available online. how's that metric work out for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693712) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 10:17 AM Author: Obsidian den party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694748) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:04 PM Author: chartreuse yapping affirmative action field do YOU make $150k per annum, hotshot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693729) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:06 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Hey brother I do better than that. Why are you fucking w me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693737) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:09 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe He did disappear tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693748) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich spaceporn's literal argument about this is that higher IQ people make less because they have more opportunities to cuck and rationally choose to do so. and that low IQ people make more because they are forced to take risks.
this is literally his reasoning on why being a low wage, low status wagecuck means he's ackshualllly very smart and competent. |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:10 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Looking for the answer tho my man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693749) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:12 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich for 150k? are you serious? aside from clerking, yes, ive made more than that every year since i graduated law school. like almost everyone else here. i can't believe you were actually expecting a response there since starting biglaw salaries exceed 150k. the poaster who asked that was being facetious and mocking you.
jfc you are so dumb and pathetic it's unreal. |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:14 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe That’s good. I guess we all make more than $150k. I suspect it goes a lot further here than there little guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693764) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:17 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich you have less than 1m NW and are old as fuck. i guess my salary goes pretty far here too considering ive managed to save far more than you and are far younger. and i don't claim to be any sort of unusual success. only that if we're considering the amount your services cost as a metric for how competent you are, than you are one of the least competent attorneys on this bort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693771) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Keep drinking tonight pal! I’m sure your wife leaving you will be distant memory soon enough. And it’s never too late to father a kid! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693780) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:21 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich except in your case when it was never a possibility at all.
im spending the week with my future second wife's family starting tomorrow. which requires only a short drive rather than an international flight and interpreter. |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:22 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Etc etc didn’t read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693791) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:24 PM Author: motley mint stage sandwich you'd be doing everyone, especially yourself, a huge favor if you stopped reading xo entirely and scrambled your pw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693799) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 9:58 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Kewl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694042) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 12:49 PM Author: Sticky cerebral mad-dog skullcap market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47695173) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:13 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Damn brother well done. And he’s in San Francisco too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693755) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:08 PM Author: sexy yellow plaza I had a judge this week admonish me for a filing I made (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693743) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:09 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Need the deets. Start a new thread so it’s not entangled in this trash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693747) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:13 PM Author: sexy yellow plaza Probate conservatorship matter. I mistakenly included the ending balance instead of a beginning balance on a conservatorship inventory that I amended after my client completely fucked it up. It was one of eight filings I made. Judge decided to harp on the fact that I did this wrong for like a couple minutes.
I learned a lot that day and will never make that mistake again |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:15 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe A little rough on a solo. They get fussy when it comes to reporting trust balances tho. I think judges have some personal exposure in some cases. |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:19 PM Author: sexy yellow plaza Yeah I was hired to clean up this conservatorship after the conservator tried to do it for three years pro se and fucked it up completely. He had also blown off multiple show cause hearings and moved to Florida without informing the court.
My goal was to not get a bench warrant issued for him because he didn't show up to this hearing either. He was removed as conservator as I expected but no further trouble.
Client was One of those guys that always sounds drunk |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:20 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Sounds like you did well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693787) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 11:51 AM Author: insanely creepy ratface corn cake What? A fucking bench warrant can be issued for a civil matter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694991) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 12:49 PM Author: Dead black legend Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47695175) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 2:55 PM Author: Comical Blue Quadroon Jap NBD, I've been "admonished" before:
"At least you've admitted it. Sir, you are admonished. Do not do that again.
MR. [epah]: Yes, Your Honor."
No real consequences. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:21 AM Author: Swashbuckling Costumed University Ape Mark Poe thought this made sense when he wrote it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714793) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: Rambunctious adventurous box office I make millions of dollars per year by practicing law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693777) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 8:19 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Nonresponsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693783) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 9:14 PM Author: Rambunctious adventurous box office I disagree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47693957) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 9:57 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Trumps current lawyers make millions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694040) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 10:00 PM Author: Rambunctious adventurous box office Who's paying them that scratch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694047) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 10:01 PM Author: territorial aromatic ticket booth sweet tailpipe Autoadmit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694050) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 9:59 PM Author: Umber Heady Community Account Black Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694045) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 11:38 PM Author: poppy gas station In all due serious, I've had four different law jobs, all very elite, and I've gotten shit to no training for all of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694313) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:59 PM Author: galvanic tantric trump supporter In general the merit of an attorney has a lot more to do with their general intelligence than their specific technical abilities or the “training” they got on specific technical points. When done properly the entire profession is set up to obsess about all of these technicalities. And giving other lawyers in a practice, who may be dumber in general, a chance to participate and bill/justify themselves as a cost center is the preferred mode of practice in any matter where a client actually cares about the outcome. The “best” lawyers are typically just people who are quick witted/quick on their feet and/or generally knowledgeable so that they often provide advice and make suggestions that look smart and hold up in retrospect. Nothing in law school or in your first five years of practice in a big firm formally trains you to do any of that, and at best you get to spend a lot of time around older lawyers who are good at this and pick up on some of their techniques and patterns of thought and speech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47708070) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 4:01 PM Author: Abusive Ocher Stag Film Milk All cr
And the race to the bottom to dumb down ls and the bar in lieu of "practical" teaching is doomed to fail. You need raw intellectual horsepower with, secondarily, a willingness to grind it out. |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 4:02 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Coldplay Fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47708086) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 11:39 AM Author: Umber Heady Community Account Black Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47715473) |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 10:46 AM Author: Carnelian bearded base great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47694804) |
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Date: May 30th, 2024 1:48 PM Author: Abusive Ocher Stag Film Milk I've done like three hours of "work" this week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47703846) |
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Date: May 30th, 2024 1:49 PM Author: Carnelian bearded base (Guy making 900k) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47703850) |
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Date: May 30th, 2024 8:15 PM Author: Umber Heady Community Account Black Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47705588) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:12 AM Author: poppy gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47706319) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:30 AM Author: Thriller Multi-billionaire Prole My paralegals filed several lawsuits against me by accident. Not only did they all go to trial, somehow I lost every single case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47706337) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:42 AM Author: Frum laughsome digit ratio menage im clinically retarded and lazy as a furking nigga but i MAED it in lol to the point i never have to work ever ever again
u dont have to have a brain to be a lolyer u just have to be jewish or shiesty enough to pretend to be jewish |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 4:07 AM Author: alcoholic hospital I'm good at what I do - but it's hardly a 'practice' of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47706365) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 2:53 PM Author: zippy talented locale hunting ground Same. I basically run a broker-dealer. They don’t teach you this shit in law school really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47707854) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:56 PM Author: Sticky cerebral mad-dog skullcap market MFCR. LJL @ how much shit I learned that I no longer use, but had to suffer through to get here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47708061) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:04 AM Author: alcoholic hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714778) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 3:59 PM Author: galvanic tantric trump supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47708071) |
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Date: May 31st, 2024 2:53 PM Author: Comical Blue Quadroon Jap Many such cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47707853) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:19 AM Author: Swashbuckling Costumed University Ape It's actually just you. Mark Poe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714790) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:17 AM Author: Swashbuckling Costumed University Ape Many of them thought Avenatti was legit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714789) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:22 AM Author: soul-stirring pozpig I was disbarred for commingling iolta accounts lol, I was trained for law not accounting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714796) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 7:22 AM Author: soul-stirring pozpig TP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714797) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2024 8:50 AM Author: zippy talented locale hunting ground All I did was fuck my client raw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5532947&forum_id=2#47714935) |