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Being a lawn guy beats grilling, golfing, or snobby beer tasting.

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes&rdq...
aphrodisiac azn
  05/14/24
you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't h...
twinkling pungent area really tough guy
  05/14/24
lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.
nubile swashbuckling international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
🙋‍♂️
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
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tan roast beef dysfunction
  05/14/24
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Pink excitant forum lettuce
  05/14/24
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glittery pistol
  05/14/24
Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.
laughsome roommate
  05/14/24
It's the worst option in there by far.
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
golf is 180 you jewfuck
twinkling pungent area really tough guy
  05/14/24
I quit my country club this year and don't have a single reg...
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything ...
twinkling pungent area really tough guy
  05/14/24
lol mowing your lawn sucks shit
twinkling pungent area really tough guy
  05/14/24
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laughsome roommate
  05/14/24
I love my golf course lawn. Nothing beats a 1" high cu...
sexy filthpig tank
  05/14/24
wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff ...
tan roast beef dysfunction
  05/14/24
lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house
sexy filthpig tank
  05/14/24
I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house b...
tan roast beef dysfunction
  05/14/24
Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinne...
lilac psychic
  05/14/24
The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the...
lilac psychic
  05/14/24
stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.
sexy filthpig tank
  05/14/24
100%. An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and pr...
nubile swashbuckling international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
I don't edge. 🥲
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut your...
Mauve mother spot
  05/14/24
the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a le...
twinkling pungent area really tough guy
  05/14/24
That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move
Mauve mother spot
  05/14/24
lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and...
yellow diverse address
  05/14/24
I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify ...
laughsome roommate
  05/14/24
fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkwee...
Pink excitant forum lettuce
  05/14/24
https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for ...
blathering site hissy fit
  05/14/24
Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover
Glassy tanning salon personal credit line
  05/15/24
lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to s...
Pink excitant forum lettuce
  05/14/24
180
Glassy tanning salon personal credit line
  05/15/24
Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or g...
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of o...
tan roast beef dysfunction
  05/14/24
Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns compar...
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
What did lawnbulls do to you?
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s...
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on...
fear-inspiring regret
  05/14/24
imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or...
sexy filthpig tank
  05/14/24
(gay trailer kike)
Erotic university reading party
  05/14/24
agreed
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obv...
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it...
fear-inspiring regret
  05/14/24
Go prune your rose bush faggot
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit y...
fear-inspiring regret
  05/14/24
I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the ...
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out t...
lilac psychic
  05/14/24
Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and fore...
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lam...
Startled Trailer Park Alpha
  05/14/24
they're catty fags
blathering site hissy fit
  05/14/24
...
Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky
  05/14/24
Lmao. Get bent.
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat
Startled Trailer Park Alpha
  05/14/24
Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
you mean a meadow?
Startled Trailer Park Alpha
  05/14/24
I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete mega...
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landl...
Startled Trailer Park Alpha
  05/14/24
If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.
brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24
twice a year
Startled Trailer Park Alpha
  05/14/24
Cricket anyone?
big toilet seat
  05/14/24
I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...
Fluffy famous landscape painting
  05/14/24
When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn bare...
learning disabled drunken home
  05/14/24
I Walk The Lawn
Fluffy famous landscape painting
  05/14/24
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brilliant insane pervert wrinkle
  05/14/24


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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:23 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659940)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:26 AM
Author: aphrodisiac azn

I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes” doing it so she refuses to let us pay for a lawn service since she says she’d just rather do it so I have to beat her to the mower and do it myself or I look like an asshole in front of the neighborhood for making my wife cut the grass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659941)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: twinkling pungent area really tough guy

you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't have a wife and probably don't have a lawn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659967)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:27 AM
Author: nubile swashbuckling international law enforcement agency

lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659942)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

🙋‍♂️

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659955)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: tan roast beef dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660048)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:15 AM
Author: Pink excitant forum lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660209)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: glittery pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659945)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: laughsome roommate

Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659946)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:13 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

It's the worst option in there by far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660040)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:26 AM
Author: twinkling pungent area really tough guy

golf is 180 you jewfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660086)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:38 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

I quit my country club this year and don't have a single regret.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660123)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: twinkling pungent area really tough guy

dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything else and you'll pay through the dick in initiation if you ever want back in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660433)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: twinkling pungent area really tough guy

lol mowing your lawn sucks shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659968)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 AM
Author: laughsome roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659970)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:16 AM
Author: sexy filthpig tank

I love my golf course lawn.

Nothing beats a 1" high cut deep green Kentucky Bluegrass lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660054)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: tan roast beef dysfunction

wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff like striping attachments for your lawn mower - I have friends who do this and I want one when I get a house again

https://www.amazon.com/Toro-20601-Lawn-Striping-System/dp/B004ZKXYUO/ref=asc_df_B004ZKXYUO/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693308318791&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4640841603144006981&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010937&hvtargid=pla-350224723370&psc=1&mcid=9c51b0c8d2d73a09b5bbc7cb8a496959&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwl4yyBhAgEiwADSEjeIOciF3s2e4vs9Q_zzAdhQJ0yUPUZNi1sJkSNC91n6_8SYzumbgvTRoCSJMQAvD_BwE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660074)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:01 AM
Author: sexy filthpig tank

lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660186)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:29 AM
Author: tan roast beef dysfunction

I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660250)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:35 AM
Author: lilac psychic

Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinners out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660269)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:25 AM
Author: lilac psychic

The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the worst part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660083)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:02 AM
Author: sexy filthpig tank

stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660189)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:19 AM
Author: nubile swashbuckling international law enforcement agency

100%.

An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and prole if the edging is not done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660220)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:09 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

I don't edge. 🥲

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660386)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: Mauve mother spot

Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut yourself is peak lawndaddy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660173)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:05 AM
Author: twinkling pungent area really tough guy

the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a legit green probably would leave you with little time to actually practice putting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660197)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: Mauve mother spot

That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660716)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:09 AM
Author: yellow diverse address

lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and easy to maintain as possible. that way if your wife wants to plant some tulips in some dirt or something it doesnt matter. the way some of these boomers designed these yards is absurd to me. its like having a swimming pool for a front yard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660199)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:50 AM
Author: laughsome roommate

I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify that bitch as a Monarch Waypoint.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660315)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:10 AM
Author: Pink excitant forum lettuce

fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkweed and get certified like yny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660390)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: blathering site hissy fit

https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for 1k woodland critters you're not white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662037)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: Glassy tanning salon personal credit line

Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662576)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:17 AM
Author: Pink excitant forum lettuce

lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to snuff out the grass. but i'm a native plants faggot. i agree with your underlying point that landscaping and gardening is 180. i just pulled my first radishes yesterday. my peas should start flowering soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660216)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: Glassy tanning salon personal credit line

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662578)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:22 AM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or golf is lol. The phenotypes are not matched.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660231)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:30 AM
Author: tan roast beef dysfunction

You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of overlap

I am friends with the son of a prominent us senator, fratty as fuck and makes a lot of money from his nepotism job, that obsesses over his lawn and does all of the work himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660255)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:20 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns comparing himself to a golfer is like a geek that plays Magic the Gathering comparing himself to a quarterback.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

What did lawnbulls do to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660760)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:36 AM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s. I wouldn't expect most Californians to understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660276)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:58 AM
Author: fear-inspiring regret

Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on the course. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660351)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: sexy filthpig tank

imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or something. Might as well be discussing ancient chinese calligraphy with him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660431)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: Erotic university reading party

(gay trailer kike)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660435)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660565)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obviously not lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660561)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:03 PM
Author: fear-inspiring regret

I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it's like where you came from. Maybe you should go back. But here in America when one of your golfing buddies gets a new tractor or puts up an impressive Christmas light display it's a topic of conversation among the golfing dad set.

Additional easy ways for this to happen is someone mentioning they've been chipping in the backyard. Or somebody mentions they played at shady acres last week and it sucked because the greens had been aerated (oh, we're having our lawn aerated next week, etc.) Or whatever man. I think it's best if you just go back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661477)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

Go prune your rose bush faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661510)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: fear-inspiring regret

The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661537)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky

I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the Mexicans that maintain my lawn for me. How did this year's zucchini crop fit in your butthold fag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661690)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:36 PM
Author: lilac psychic

Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out there.

Grilling is kind of meh, can be mastered in about 4-6 months of practice.

Golf is just expensive and stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661395)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:09 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and foresight to make a spectacular yard. If you are wondering where all the Michaelangelos went, they are on their zero turns right now.

Grilling/BBQ is art but anyone can become proficient quickly. It is like going to one of those wine and paint places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661491)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:53 PM
Author: Startled Trailer Park Alpha

lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lame enough to find running a little machine to be entertaining as they have never run real machinery and the total amount of material waste that goes into some big perfect lawn is enormous, all while destroying natural habitat for native plants and species in the service of...nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661447)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:07 PM
Author: blathering site hissy fit

they're catty fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661486)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Beady-eyed transparent heaven becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661512)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

Lmao. Get bent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661538)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: Startled Trailer Park Alpha

enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661543)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:38 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661562)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:41 PM
Author: Startled Trailer Park Alpha

you mean a meadow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:08 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete megalopolis is beautiful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661639)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:10 PM
Author: Startled Trailer Park Alpha

I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landlord insists I mow a bunch of lawn too, but the field is much more aesthetically pleasing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661643)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:14 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle

If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661653)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:27 PM
Author: Startled Trailer Park Alpha

twice a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661701)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:44 PM
Author: big toilet seat

Cricket anyone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661574)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 PM
Author: Fluffy famous landscape painting

I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662063)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:32 PM
Author: learning disabled drunken home

When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn barefoot, enjoying the dusk, sipping a scotch, enjoy a guilty secret cigarette. Simple pleasures of life.

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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: Fluffy famous landscape painting

I Walk The Lawn

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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:11 PM
Author: brilliant insane pervert wrinkle



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