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grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
they banned me on tls
internet-worthy sanctuary sex offender
  09/30/10
at least they have SA offers
Razzmatazz scarlet new version coffee pot
  09/30/10
> he believes them
internet-worthy sanctuary sex offender
  09/30/10
That's hard to read.
Violent fragrant associate wrinkle
  09/30/10
It's hilarious how they fawn over this firm like it's some m...
grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
So your typical 2nd-year Paul Weiss associate is pretty much...
Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig
  09/30/10
90%, yes.
grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
Interesting.
Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig
  09/30/10
Don't get me wrong, at a place like Susman or W&C associ...
grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
this is helpful - ty
Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig
  09/30/10
Right, it's like litigation at X firm magically involves few...
Violent fragrant associate wrinkle
  09/30/10
Exactly. People who go to litigation boutiques are going to...
grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
More limited discovery could certainly make life a little le...
Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig
  09/30/10
I never found discovery "hellish." Discovery is ho...
Violent fragrant associate wrinkle
  09/30/10
Fair enough. But if, as a 1st or 2nd year associate, you on...
Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig
  09/30/10
Even a small piece of discovery gets you pretty quickly acqu...
Violent fragrant associate wrinkle
  09/30/10
Sure, it can, but parties don't always agree to it. Even th...
grizzly dashing jew roast beef
  09/30/10
Are there any practicing attorneys that post regularly at TL...
Violent fragrant associate wrinkle
  09/30/10
BruceWayne is a 1L at UVA.
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
itt a pumo castigates TSL posters for spouting off on topics...
soul-stirring fantasy-prone love of her life depressive
  09/30/10
Leave me ALONE
180 carmine stage hissy fit
  09/30/10
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bespoke glittery theatre
  09/30/10
I think someone posted that boutiques outsource doc review. ...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
Yeah man, Susman is magic, they send a box of documents to I...
Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account
  09/30/10
GTFO Susman first years are too busy chairing high stakes co...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
I hear you have to be a 2d year at W&C to do that, I'm g...
Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account
  09/30/10
W&C is sooo TTT. I'd take a first-level at Susman over s...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
SUSMAN-IS-THE-GREATEST-FIRM-EVER-CREATED
Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account
  09/30/10
"I'm sorry, I thought people were praising Susman becau...
wonderful public bath
  09/30/10
It's a retarded post, but by far the most retarded part is t...
overrated haunted graveyard boiling water
  09/30/10
they expect you to do a clerkship. too bad you dont understa...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
People who are actual litigators, please raise your hand (or...
aggressive thriller plaza
  09/30/10
according to TLS, susman is doing BP. sounds like a massive ...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
http://www.susmangodfrey.com/?id=98 http://www.susmangodf...
Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account
  09/30/10
looks like susman is full of glorified ambulance chasers hah...
pungent coldplay fan
  09/30/10
cr
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Date: September 30th, 2010 9:58 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=131337

Law students discussing stuff completely out of their asses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178969)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 9:59 AM
Author: internet-worthy sanctuary sex offender

they banned me on tls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178974)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:00 AM
Author: Razzmatazz scarlet new version coffee pot

at least they have SA offers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178982)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:00 AM
Author: internet-worthy sanctuary sex offender

> he believes them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178985)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:00 AM
Author: Violent fragrant associate wrinkle

That's hard to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178983)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:04 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

It's hilarious how they fawn over this firm like it's some magical unicorn. They have no idea that there are vastly more similarities than differences in the day-to-day of biglaw litigation and boutique litigation. They also fail to realize that the compensation offered by lit boutiques to associates and partners is not consistently higher than that offered at a V10. Sure, for some absolute superstars or people who get really lucky, it can be, but on balance the good years may not outweigh the bad years enough to make a meaningful difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16178998)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:06 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig

So your typical 2nd-year Paul Weiss associate is pretty much doing the same stuff as your typical 2nd-year Susman/W&C associate, huh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179007)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:08 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

90%, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179009)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:09 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig

Interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179012)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:12 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

Don't get me wrong, at a place like Susman or W&C associates definitely have a much higher chance of doing depositions or participating in trial earlier in their careers. But that also depends on luck (especially participating in trial). The bulk of the work is still plain old legal research and writing and random tasks associated with managing a case. TLS fuckheads are kidding themselves if they think there's going to be a world of difference every day, that they could only be happy at a boutique. It's a bunch of striverish neurotic nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179020)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:16 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig

this is helpful - ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179035)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:16 AM
Author: Violent fragrant associate wrinkle

Right, it's like litigation at X firm magically involves fewer motions, requires less legal research, and is more likely to go to a jury trial. It's like litigation changes depending on the firm. It doesn't. Certainly, your experience can vary widely depending on your staffing and your firm, but it's not like litigation turns into 20 deps and 0 evidentiary motions when you step into a boutique.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179036)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:22 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

Exactly. People who go to litigation boutiques are going to be sorely disappointed if they think they will be hotshot trial lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179053)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:23 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig

More limited discovery could certainly make life a little less hellish, though, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179057)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:25 AM
Author: Violent fragrant associate wrinkle

I never found discovery "hellish." Discovery is how you find the facts of the case. Discovery is how you find the documents that you'll use in your MSJ and introduce at trial. Discovery is how you figure out what the witnesses are going to say.

If you're in smaller cases, you have less discovery. But you'll probably have a smaller staff working on the case.

The hellish part is never discovery. That's time-consuming, but it's not necessarily timed, and you get to pace yourself. The hellish part is the trial, when you're billing 400 a month. Yeah, there's adrenaline that gets you through it, and the thrill of trial.

So it all depends on your definition of "hellish." But if the thought of perusing documents to obtain facts for trial bothers you, you probably shouldn't be a litigator in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179069)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:32 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Adulterous Keepsake Machete Rigpig

Fair enough. But if, as a 1st or 2nd year associate, you only work on small pieces of discovery for gigantic cases at a behemoth like Kirkland or Paul Weiss, can you get the same feel for the "big picture" that seems to be driving your positive experience of discovery?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179091)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:43 AM
Author: Violent fragrant associate wrinkle

Even a small piece of discovery gets you pretty quickly acquainted with the facts of the big picture. Yeah, sometimes, you're on a giant case with a ton of discovery and you're solely called in for doc review. But that's the qualification above. Some litigation cases are dogs and you're just an extra cog filling in some billables; some cases you're an integral part of the team. At a boutique, maybe you're more likely to be an integral part, or maybe you have smaller discovery. But it's not so radically different that you can suddenly create chasms between firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179154)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:26 AM
Author: grizzly dashing jew roast beef

Sure, it can, but parties don't always agree to it. Even then, so you do one week's worth of doc review instead of two week's worth, big fucking deal. And there's a chance you could do more doc review than at a biglaw firm depending on what cases you're on and what biglaw firm we're talking about. Look, there are differences, but they are not so substantial as to suddenly make the litigation job a fun filled life in the courtroom. They are much more similar than different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179071)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:10 AM
Author: Violent fragrant associate wrinkle

Are there any practicing attorneys that post regularly at TLS? It seems a little imbalanced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179015)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:02 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

BruceWayne is a 1L at UVA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179637)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 1:58 PM
Author: soul-stirring fantasy-prone love of her life depressive

itt a pumo castigates TSL posters for spouting off on topics about which they know nothing; proceeds to spout off on topics about which he knows nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180474)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 10:28 AM
Author: 180 carmine stage hissy fit

Leave me ALONE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179080)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:01 PM
Author: bespoke glittery theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179631)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:03 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

I think someone posted that boutiques outsource doc review.

so do most biglaw firms.

what a fucking idiot..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179644)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:07 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account

Yeah man, Susman is magic, they send a box of documents to India, India sorts them as responsive/privileged, then they ship them directly to the opposing party. No more doc review!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179662)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:12 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

GTFO Susman first years are too busy chairing high stakes complex bet-the-company trials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179685)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:16 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account

I hear you have to be a 2d year at W&C to do that, I'm glad I asked, I am definitely going to Susman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179707)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:16 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

W&C is sooo TTT. I'd take a first-level at Susman over some rando partner at W&C anyday

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179711)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:18 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account

SUSMAN-IS-THE-GREATEST-FIRM-EVER-CREATED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179722)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 12:05 PM
Author: wonderful public bath

"I'm sorry, I thought people were praising Susman because of the substantive experience one can find only at a boutique. If you want money and don't care what you're doing, might as well work at WLRK amirite?"

unintentional 180



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16179652)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 1:27 PM
Author: overrated haunted graveyard boiling water

It's a retarded post, but by far the most retarded part is that nobody has mentioned Susman is only a 4 fuckign week program that never intends to make fulltime offers to everyone. Hurrr, think that might be a factor?

God TLS is such a fucking hellhole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180258)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 1:45 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

they expect you to do a clerkship. too bad you dont understand prestige.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180398)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 1:56 PM
Author: aggressive thriller plaza

People who are actual litigators, please raise your hand (or fin).

Many associates at big firms get staffed on HUGE cases like securities fraud that gets past a motion to dismiss or consumer fraud or products liability. Most boutiques are not set up to do this type of massive litigation.

Massive cases are bad for associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180465)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 2:00 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

according to TLS, susman is doing BP. sounds like a massive case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180485)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 2:00 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account

http://www.susmangodfrey.com/?id=98

http://www.susmangodfrey.com/?id=96

csb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180493)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 2:04 PM
Author: pungent coldplay fan

looks like susman is full of glorified ambulance chasers hahahahaha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180515)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 2:05 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16180523)



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Date: September 30th, 2010 5:30 PM
Author: Rambunctious Up-to-no-good Laser Beams Community Account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1438145&forum_id=2#16182367)