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Why is libertarianism so popular on autoadmit?
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:15 PM Author: Hyperventilating really tough guy trailer park - belief that libertarianism will lead to better outcomes for society as a whole - a lot of young people who make 160k who hate the idea of paying taxes for social services they don't need - personal responsibility - or some other reason |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:18 PM Author: Provocative therapy Man, people just want to be able to go out and drink a beer and smoke a joint on public streets with their bros without having to worry about being hassled by a bunch of pseudo-fascist pigs. At the same time, no one really wants to keep paying for niggers to have bigger and bigger rims on their shit box cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977728) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:20 PM Author: Dashing Orange Set most people here are american. americans like freedom.
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:23 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon CR
Also, sick of subsidizing lazy poors. Like my relatives. Oh and let's face it, equal opportunities =/= equal outcomes |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:41 PM Author: bat shit crazy idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977874) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:22 PM Author: Mind-boggling sick sound barrier every libertarian i met was an aspie. so i'm not surprised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977775) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:23 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon it's been big in IT for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977784) |
Date: September 6th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: bateful up-to-no-good field feces lots of really dumb, simpleminded "conservatives" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977803) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:32 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon I think there are a few strains -
1) Big city republicans who aren't into the ARE COUNTRY religion schtick the Republicans pull on the national level
2) IT people
3) 60/70s libs, esp scientists, who see the erosion of civil liberties promulgated by the New Left's move towards socialism and the party's hijacking by Alinsky's "any means necessary" tactics and paternalism.
4) Economics people who all see that Socialism is a TTT in decline
5) Young republicans in the closet
6) ACLU types who recogize for all intents and purposes, this regime isn't much different than Bush except it's doing even more to quash dissent
7) People who are sick of seeing 1/3 - 1/2 of their paycheck goes to lazy shits who don't work, who don't want to work, and who drink 40oz's on the stoops of buildings.
8) Patent types. Overlaps with IT and Scientists who are deeply skeptical of the New Left and its rampant subjectivism |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:34 PM Author: carnelian mood lots of intelligent people who think outside the box (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977839) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:37 PM Author: rambunctious heaven libertarianism is very much inside the box ideas. its preaching the theories from econ 101 about the invisible hand that you learn in a classroom and being blindly faithful to that ideology.
libertarianism don't present new ideas, it just regurgitates the same argument that free-market capitalism is perfect in a vacuum |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:40 PM Author: carnelian mood whaddeva you say kool-aid drinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977870) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:40 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon not really. both major political parties are on a quest to restrict civil liberties, institute a state of emergency to expand federal powers, and continue the american presence in the Mideast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977871) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:42 PM Author: rambunctious heaven that libertarianism isn't mainstream does not make it original (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977883) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:44 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon You have no idea what you're talking about. Read Spooner for a classic (No Treason no. 9 is one of the most original works of political philosophy ever written in America), and some of the stuff on patents out of Mises Institute.
Ron Paul and Ayn Rand, sure, a retard could come up with that. Read the thinkers and quit with the straw men. There are a lot of Libertarian heavy hitters. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:41 PM Author: ivory chapel hominid high proportion of edgy, cool pseudointellectuals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977873) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:43 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon Nah. Those are into Autonomic Marxism and the New Situationism.
Also, like I said, it's been a steady current of thought in IT for years. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:45 PM Author: ivory chapel hominid nobody knows what those fucking things are, guvnor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977908) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:48 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon It's so cool you haven't heard of it.
Read the Invisible Committte/Tarnac 9 manifesto "The Coming Insurrection" from Semiotexte. That's all the rage with the pseudo-intellectual/professional artist UWS crowd. I'll summarize. Capitalism bad. Technology bad. Go live in the woods, shit in a ditch, blow things up, class revolution follows.
Think Unabomber, but French, and more Marxist. Ridiculously popular in edgy, pseudo-intellectual circles in the last year, not because it's good, but because it has a whiff of danger, because these moron Frog grad students went out and committed some actual crimes. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:58 PM Author: ivory chapel hominid libertarianism is still edgy and cool among dumb undergrads, law students, and lawyers, the population of this site. you're talking about shit that doesn't really matter for the question in the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977992) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:02 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon the patents issue is one reason why. it really matters. in law and technology. eventually it'll become a mainstream issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978026) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:43 PM Author: Curious lodge pistol It's always easier to dream than to come up with real solutions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977899) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:48 PM Author: carnelian mood lol, such a female poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977933) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:49 PM Author: Curious lodge pistol I'm not a political expert but I know enough to acknowledge that libertarianism is just an ongoing conversation about something that will never happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15977943) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:54 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon LOL. Most of human history existed without nation-states. Nice try, though.
Most libertarians are not anarchists, btw. Some are, but it's kind of like claiming every socialist is a Communist. Also, fwiw, a fair amount of socialists are Anarchists, too, btw. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:56 PM Author: Curious lodge pistol Yeah man, let's just say that since this existed in the past that the people who live under the current political system in the U.S. and all its entitlements would be totally A-OKAY with this drastic shift.
I say we start tomorrow!
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:04 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon Retarded? See: Thatcher
Her shift to libertarianism saved the UK's economy.
We're going to need someone like that if the Bush/Obama types keep pissing away money on expensive wars and free things for poors. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:06 PM Author: Curious lodge pistol You think Americans actually want this?
I'm not against libertarianism. I'm skeptical about Americans wanting anything to do with it. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:12 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon No, but they'll need it. Obama and the New Dems "soft on crime, heavy on entitlements" philosophy is ridiculous. Taken with Clinton/Bush's expensive wars abroad, we're going to need a leader with balls since we'll have to make drastic cuts.
I hope it's a libertarian and it's soon. A big problem is "Are Country" and these fucking moron Republican candidates people keep voting for.
If it's not and the Dems take the hit in midterms and Obama is re-elected after a slight upturn - which would lead to further expansion of the Fed'l Gov't, we're looking at a Weimar situation - where a powerful right or left-wing iron-fist socialist could easily co-opt the fed'l apparatus and suspend liberties in a state of emergency.
All that's needed is a Reichstag trigger moment (which arguably we already had). Softening crack laws and the laxening in the war on drugs or terrorism might provide it. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:39 PM Author: beta peach rehab laxening? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979058) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:59 PM Author: nighttime fear-inspiring school cafeteria those without nation-states are "subhumans" (BooR) and "state of nature" (Hobbes, Rousseau) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978003) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:03 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon or the people of the world for most of history.....
who were doing fine.
sometimes nation states leads to poorer standards of living. see rome in its waning years.
For an ontological treatment, obviously read Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:53 PM Author: stimulating philosopher-king dilemma Libertarians are like Bengals fans: rare, idealistic aspies who had a couple good years in the 80s but were thoroughly pwn3d in the 90s. They each lost a lot of important players to jail and/or corruption in the 00s.
Now, as they try to make a comeback in the 10s, they embrace mental midgets like TO (or Sarah Palin) & embarrass themselves even further
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:55 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon LULZ. Sarah Palin is not a libertarian.
MISES INSTITUTE PEOPLE. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:58 PM Author: stimulating philosopher-king dilemma Regardless of whether or not she fundamentally believes or understands your ideology, she has hijacked your movement. She's a teamkiller like TO
Sorry guys, maybe next year! |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:59 PM Author: Provocative therapy When has she ever been classified as a libertarian by anyone other than you? Because she spoke with Glenn Beck at a Tea Party rally? WTF? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978008) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:01 PM Author: bat shit crazy idea he suggested he's a bitter old turdskin, let him be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978020) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:07 PM Author: Mind-boggling sick sound barrier the tea party was originally viewed as libertarian, since it was basically a grassroots movement to support Ron Paul. Then Palin & Co came along and highjacked it along with all the ARE COUNTRY dumbs and religious zealots. Unfortunately for true libertarians, the tea party is still viewed as the major representation of libertarianism and i know plenty of people who think the viewpoints that the tea pary hold is equivalent of libertarianism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978061) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:10 PM Author: stimulating philosopher-king dilemma The Tea Party is a grass roots libertarianism movement. You don't think people notice that Palin is quickly trying to establish herself the figurehead for this movement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978077) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:16 PM Author: Provocative therapy The Tea Party might have originally been a grass roots libertarian movement, but it really is not tied to the Libertarian party at all anymore. Do they advertise tea party rallys on Lew Rockwell? No, they don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978103) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:42 PM Author: beta peach rehab No it isn't. It's a corporatist movement. Those fuckers were smart to coopt the legions of retards who blindly think that, in their own little Calvinist fantasy, less government is a good thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979082) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:00 PM Author: nighttime fear-inspiring school cafeteria guvnor, what about NOZICK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978012) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:05 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon credited. great book. he's a little too minarchical for my taste, though
even though in hindsight, our friends at Blackwater proved protective service contracts may need a little work, or not work at all. he has a great point on the monopoly of justice, though. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:03 PM Author: vigorous dingle berry It stopped being cool to be a republican around 2006. Calling yourself a "libertarian" now is a convenient excuse to vote straight GOP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978032) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:07 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon In NYC, it hasn't been cool since Dewey lost to Truman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978066) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:19 PM Author: vigorous dingle berry http://maureenholland.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sept14_bushbeckwithbullhorn.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978129) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:24 PM Author: Puce Fortuitous Meteor Parlor http://ablogination.tn420.org/blog/media/users/tn420/giuliani_drag1.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978555) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:48 PM Author: nighttime fear-inspiring school cafeteria death of rockefeller. although that giuliani guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978356) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:21 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon I liked Giuliani and would vote for him for pretty much anything, but he's not really a libertarian. Most DAs aren't. They tend to be either conservative pragmatists or "law and order liberals".
I like Rice for AG of late. I hope to fuck she beats Schneiderman - who is easily the worst AG candidate in years. Donovan's not bad either. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:27 PM Author: copper senate filthpig titcp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978192) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:07 PM Author: Crawly Coiffed Church Building Elastic Band Libertarianism is the go to political philosophy for the aspie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978064) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:09 PM Author: Dead Skinny Woman Resort flame, they're all flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978075) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:21 PM Author: Chartreuse Mediation Private Investor Young, misogynistic, intellectually immature strivers tend to beget this type of faggoty. Libertarians are disproportionately young, male, high earning, Catholic, (read: more likely to being making their money than HAVE money, relative to WASP and Jews) and educated (to a point, libertarianism is overrepresented in people with Bachelor's degrees, but not in people with Ph. D.s; liberals are far more overrepresented among college graduates and FAR more among those with advanced degrees).
According to Cato and Pew's own research, its really the populist that are most at odds with the libertarians. Of course, there are almost no populist types on this website. Its conservatives, liberals and libertarians.
Liberals have more or less the same income and racial make-up as libertarians; Liberals are simply older, more likely to be female, better educated, less church going, and less likely to be evangelical or Catholic. Or, put in another way, less likely to be a faggot on this message board.
EDIT: Should have been a capital-C catholic. If there is one thing libertarians are not, it is small-c catholic. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:28 PM Author: bat shit crazy idea he suggested This thread is now about Stabby's own personal movement from "conservative" to "liberal" in law school, brought about by his own desire to fit in with better educated, less-churchgoing females. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978200) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:28 PM Author: Chartreuse Mediation Private Investor I've never been a conservative and I've never been church-going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978206) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:28 PM Author: copper senate filthpig Obama sucks man. Sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978204) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:37 PM Author: comical ratface tanning salon The also like UNIX a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978266) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: nighttime fear-inspiring school cafeteria this is a reasonable analysis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978281) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:44 PM Author: trip temple coffee pot how do you draw the conclusion they are intellectually immature? simply because liberals are overrepresented among those with advanced degrees? many advanced degree holders have received zero economics training, so i don't think this tells you much. the GSS shows that higher IQ tend people to be more economically conservative (in the american sense) and socially liberal, which is a far more telling fact (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978324) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:57 PM Author: Chartreuse Mediation Private Investor I'm fine correlating younger, less educated, more religious, (specifically more likely to be evangelical or catholic and more likely to be frequent church goers), and less likely to be costal and more likely to be southern or mid-western than liberals, etc. with being intellectually immature.
That said, my source for that particular comment was not the cato paper on libertarian demographics (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf), but rather this site (http://xoxohth.com/main.php?forum_id=2). |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:18 PM Author: trip temple coffee pot well then you're a dumb intellectually dishonest faggot who is looking for any evidence to prove your point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978536) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:13 PM Author: soul-stirring piazza selfie Brilliant analysis considering that religion is one of the topics most frequently lampooned by XOXO's libertarian leaning population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978902) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:32 PM Author: pontificating round eye tcr. i thought religion was anathema to most libertarians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979008) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:26 PM Author: copper senate filthpig libertarianism = fuck whoever you want, smoke up all you want, no taxes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978187) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:25 PM Author: excitant rigpig liquid oxygen its logically consistent. for people like aspies and lawyers who need complete, simplistic logical consistency it is attractive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978566) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:47 PM Author: pontificating round eye I really like all the comments saying that libertarians are "intellectually immature" or "aspie" or some other such thing. It means that the movement toward freedom, both economically and personally, is picking up steam. Those who did not pick up on this earlier often feel left out and need to attack those who support libertarianism. This is good. It means it's becoming relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15978720) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:34 PM Author: fragrant fluffy yarmulke Or it could just mean that libertarians really are intellectually immature aspies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979024) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:37 PM Author: pontificating round eye could be. didn't think about that. i must be intellectually immature and aspie. FML. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979038) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:40 PM Author: fragrant fluffy yarmulke there there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979060) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:40 PM Author: pontificating round eye you're a good d00d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979066) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:34 PM Author: Disgusting bronze dog poop potus hating freedom = credited ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979022) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: Adulterous appetizing jew ape seems smart, conveys confidence that you can thrive without a safety net (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415830&forum_id=2#15979074) |