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Juneteenth is like a horrible tattoo someone got while wasted

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Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
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Milky Cuckoldry
  06/19/25
It was done while the country was delirious. It sucks and mo...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
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up-to-no-good turdskin point
  06/20/25
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Heady tattoo ratface
  06/20/25
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alcoholic bat shit crazy market cuckold
  06/20/25
why do you care about the reason you are given an extra day ...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
Nobody that matters got a day off, including me.
Milky Cuckoldry
  06/19/25
if you don't get the day off, why do you care that others do...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
hey nigger, did we say u could talk? u wanna be lynched, boy...
Magical church building sound barrier
  06/20/25
(telephone tough guy)
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/20/25
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shaky national security agency
  06/19/25
Credited as fuck
Magical church building sound barrier
  06/20/25
Nope sorry it sucks and isn't a real holiday but things are ...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
this is dumb. if you lived somewhere that (most) people got ...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
Where do most people get Columbus Day off? We don't need ano...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/05/working-o...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
So three states and it was renamed to something woke and stu...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
not sure what you are talking about. Look at the chart tile...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
You're an idiot
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
explain
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
Interesting point. Very fake "holiday," even more...
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/19/25
This fucking guy. And the mulignans already had MLK day, ...
slimy dilemma
  06/19/25
(racist guido)
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/19/25
Mlk was actually a repurpose of Lincoln's birthday which was...
Carnelian Background Story
  06/20/25
Italians fucking love Columbus Day. It’s like 75% of w...
diverse flirting antidepressant drug business firm
  06/19/25
i did for a very long time. the parades in the North End wer...
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
I got the day off, but as a racist, I would rather have work...
soul-stirring orchestra pit
  06/19/25
i can respect this response because it's honest
citrine crusty legal warrant
  06/19/25
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Startling Giraffe Trump Supporter
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  06/19/25
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Apoplectic doctorate
  06/20/25
WHAT'S THE MATTER GOY, DON'T LIKE YOUR SLOP?
slimy dilemma
  06/19/25
just do every day is a national holiday w mandatory time off...
boyish olive heaven lettuce
  06/20/25
Look, there are eleven federal holidays. Don't you think it...
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/19/25
blacks contributed only 0.01% to America, that like a 5 minu...
Milky Cuckoldry
  06/19/25
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Massive Brunch
  06/19/25
Sorry shitcon, we're also making Rosa Parks Day a federal ho...
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/19/25
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Zombie-like corner
  06/19/25
I don't agree with that but they already have a day and a mo...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
Give them the day after the Superbowl for their contribution...
shaky national security agency
  06/19/25
Sounds just about right. Blacks make up 14% of America where...
Vigorous school cafeteria jew
  06/20/25
Literally no one had ever heard of this "holiday" ...
Apoplectic doctorate
  06/19/25
I had, FYI
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/19/25
Juneteenth has been a state holiday recognized by the State ...
Glittery cyan shrine
  06/20/25
tbf, it's a better holiday than MLK Day. MLK has been neuter...
Rambunctious deer antler electric furnace
  06/19/25
Don't care about any of this but a holiday in June is much b...
slimy dilemma
  06/19/25
It's not a real holiday it's a rotating Columbus Day for the...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
It was dumb not to make it the third Monday in June. At leas...
narrow-minded crackhouse stain
  06/19/25
No one gets it off
Rebellious Chapel
  06/19/25
Stock market was closed!
narrow-minded crackhouse stain
  06/19/25
(evan39's alt)
Sable fragrant national roast beef
  06/20/25
All the summer programs had today as an off day. Going to g...
Orchid school
  06/19/25
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cocky racy plaza community account
  06/19/25
I just call it summer Kwanzaa
canary razzle-dazzle pit
  06/20/25
it's a reminder that the COVID summer of floyd actually happ...
Heady tattoo ratface
  06/20/25
You supported prosecuting Chauvin and took the vax.
shaky national security agency
  06/20/25
i did not support prosecuting chauvin you retard
Heady tattoo ratface
  06/21/25
Vax?
shaky national security agency
  06/21/25
jabbed
Heady tattoo ratface
  06/21/25
I enjoyed the day off. It was great. If the issue that i...
Claret Famous Landscape Painting Box Office
  06/20/25
Tcr. These ‘people’ would have everyone working ...
drunken splenetic halford black woman
  06/20/25
Giving people off on New Year's Day is really stupid. Christ...
shaky national security agency
  06/20/25
Do you work at the post office? A rotating Columbus Day that...
Rebellious Chapel
  06/20/25
We have way too many holidays. Get rid of everything but 4th...
shaky national security agency
  06/20/25
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Orange Nubile Spot Regret
  06/20/25
Its a day off work. Who gives a fuck the reason? Its the ...
Comical Azure Field Filthpig
  06/20/25
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&f...
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Date: June 19th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033389)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 7:57 PM
Author: Milky Cuckoldry

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033392)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:01 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

It was done while the country was delirious. It sucks and most people don't know what it's supposed to be but they have to politely pretend it's good. We're stuck with it for now because it would be a mess to remove

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033400)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 1:59 AM
Author: up-to-no-good turdskin point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034069)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 11:15 AM
Author: Heady tattoo ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034694)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 4:14 PM
Author: alcoholic bat shit crazy market cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035509)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

why do you care about the reason you are given an extra day off? i personally don't have the day off but i wouldn't fucking question it if i did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033405)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: Milky Cuckoldry

Nobody that matters got a day off, including me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033424)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

if you don't get the day off, why do you care that others do? are you some kind of hall monitor narc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033443)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:01 AM
Author: Magical church building sound barrier

hey nigger, did we say u could talk? u wanna be lynched, boy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034073)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:18 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

(telephone tough guy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035237)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:34 PM
Author: shaky national security agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033519)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:00 AM
Author: Magical church building sound barrier

Credited as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034071)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

Nope sorry it sucks and isn't a real holiday but things are closed, great job libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033425)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:16 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

this is dumb. if you lived somewhere that (most) people got Columbus day off, would you question it? Columbus day is as fake as they come. Italians don't give a shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033438)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

Where do most people get Columbus Day off? We don't need another Columbus Day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033446)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:18 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/05/working-on-columbus-day-or-indigenous-peoples-day-it-depends-on-where-your-job-is/#:~:text=Since%20then%2C%20several%20states%20have,it%20as%20an%20official%20holiday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033455)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:20 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

So three states and it was renamed to something woke and stupid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033464)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:22 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

not sure what you are talking about. Look at the chart tiled "Where state workers have the second Monday in October off"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033468)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

You're an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033474)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:52 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033550)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:18 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

Interesting point. Very fake "holiday," even more fake than Juneteenth when you think about it. And there's way fewer "Italians" here than Blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033453)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: slimy dilemma

This fucking guy.

And the mulignans already had MLK day, why do they need TWO days?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033643)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:21 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

(racist guido)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033648)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 3:19 PM
Author: Carnelian Background Story

Mlk was actually a repurpose of Lincoln's birthday which was the previous 'black' holiday. When they added mlk they combined Lincoln and Washington into presidents day. Zero additional days off given.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035389)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:22 PM
Author: diverse flirting antidepressant drug business firm

Italians fucking love Columbus Day. It’s like 75% of what St. Patrick’s day is to the Irish. Do you live on the Acela between Baltimore and Boston?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033473)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:37 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

i did for a very long time. the parades in the North End were no grander than the hangouts / cookouts I see in my very African American heavy Bay Area town now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033532)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:12 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchestra pit

I got the day off, but as a racist, I would rather have worked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033430)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: citrine crusty legal warrant

i can respect this response because it's honest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033444)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: Startling Giraffe Trump Supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033609)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:01 AM
Author: Scarlet casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034074)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:19 PM
Author: coral pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035245)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:22 PM
Author: well-lubricated stage feces

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033470)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 1:59 AM
Author: Apoplectic doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034068)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: slimy dilemma

WHAT'S THE MATTER GOY, DON'T LIKE YOUR SLOP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033636)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 3:24 PM
Author: boyish olive heaven lettuce

just do every day is a national holiday w mandatory time off for workers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035401)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:12 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

Look, there are eleven federal holidays. Don't you think it's fair that 18% of them should be dedicated to honoring the contributions of Black Americans to our society?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033428)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:15 PM
Author: Milky Cuckoldry

blacks contributed only 0.01% to America, that like a 5 minute observance per year, not a whole day, lib.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033436)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:18 PM
Author: Massive Brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033450)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:21 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

Sorry shitcon, we're also making Rosa Parks Day a federal holiday as soon as Drumpf is dead: https://sewell.house.gov/2025/2/reps-sewell-beatty-and-figures-introduce-bill-to-create-new-federal-holiday-commemorating-the-historic-arrest-of-rosa-parks#:~:text=While%20several%20states%20have%20adopted,Rep.

Then we'll be at about the right balance of 25% of holidays devoted to Black Americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033466)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:45 PM
Author: Zombie-like corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033543)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:21 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

I don't agree with that but they already have a day and a month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033467)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:53 PM
Author: shaky national security agency

Give them the day after the Superbowl for their contributions to athletics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033713)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: Vigorous school cafeteria jew

Sounds just about right. Blacks make up 14% of America whereas Christians make up 62%, so it makes sense that Blacks should get twice as many holidays as Christians on account of their outsized contributions to society. It was especially critical to give them their own dedicated independence day two weeks prior to the preexisting independence holiday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035532)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:33 PM
Author: Apoplectic doctorate

Literally no one had ever heard of this "holiday" until June 2020.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033515)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:37 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

I had, FYI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033530)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: Glittery cyan shrine

Juneteenth has been a state holiday recognized by the State of Texas since 1980.

Ralph Ellison's posthumously published novel Juneteenth was published in 1999.

So people had heard of this concept before 2020.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034701)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:45 PM
Author: Rambunctious deer antler electric furnace

tbf, it's a better holiday than MLK Day. MLK has been neutered because he said blacks should be judged by the content of their character rather than by the color of their skin. that's so much anathema to libs today.

otoh, the day it's announced that slavery ended? that's a fucking party right there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033540)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:22 PM
Author: slimy dilemma

Don't care about any of this but a holiday in June is much better than a second holiday in January.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033649)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:23 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

It's not a real holiday it's a rotating Columbus Day for the post office and banks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033657)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:23 PM
Author: narrow-minded crackhouse stain

It was dumb not to make it the third Monday in June. At least it’s on a Friday next next year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033662)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

No one gets it off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033666)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:26 PM
Author: narrow-minded crackhouse stain

Stock market was closed!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033674)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: Sable fragrant national roast beef

(evan39's alt)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035692)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Orchid school

All the summer programs had today as an off day. Going to get my work to change our holiday schedule so that it lines up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033781)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: cocky racy plaza community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033943)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: canary razzle-dazzle pit

I just call it summer Kwanzaa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034698)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: Heady tattoo ratface

it's a reminder that the COVID summer of floyd actually happened. and that's important.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034699)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:04 PM
Author: shaky national security agency

You supported prosecuting Chauvin and took the vax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035183)



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Date: June 21st, 2025 10:29 AM
Author: Heady tattoo ratface

i did not support prosecuting chauvin you retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49037176)



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Date: June 21st, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: shaky national security agency

Vax?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49037985)



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Date: June 21st, 2025 6:20 PM
Author: Heady tattoo ratface

jabbed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49038038)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: Claret Famous Landscape Painting Box Office

I enjoyed the day off. It was great.

If the issue that it should be called something else or should be in honor of something else, fine whatev. I agree. But America needs more paid holidays not less. I'd rather have a national "We Love Jews/Blacks/Women" holiday than not have one.

The only people bothered by this are capital-owning kikes and their gentile bootlickers. They can get fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034712)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 1:49 PM
Author: drunken splenetic halford black woman

Tcr. These ‘people’ would have everyone working Christmas and New Year’s if they thought they could get away with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035131)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: shaky national security agency

Giving people off on New Year's Day is really stupid. Christmas was a week ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035204)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: Rebellious Chapel

Do you work at the post office? A rotating Columbus Day that no one actually gets off that was created in response to mass hysteria is stupid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035194)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: shaky national security agency

We have way too many holidays. Get rid of everything but 4th of July, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. A single holiday fucks up a month for getting work done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035198)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 1:11 PM
Author: Orange Nubile Spot Regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49034997)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 3:10 PM
Author: Comical Azure Field Filthpig

Its a day off work. Who gives a fuck the reason?

Its the best thing the Black community has done for whites in 160 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035372)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 4:13 PM
Author: Apoplectic doctorate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49033470

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49035508)



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Date: June 25th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Comical Azure Field Filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740639&forum_id=2#49050010)