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Is there affirmative action in medical schools?

Met a black dude the other day from a top med school. Just g...
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
LOL TYFT
crawly vibrant business firm turdskin
  09/03/10
Not kidding. I assume there is AA, but is it as big as it is...
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
Who cares if there is or isn't? At the end of the day, every...
wonderful beta faggot firefighter resort
  09/03/10
but the AA guy took mr. pumo flame's spot at HMS
bateful alpha water buffalo
  09/03/10
lol no. i'm not even against AA necessarily. i just know not...
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
your flame is unraveling
Dull state
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
You claimed she scored a 42. so at the absolute worse she wo...
Dull state
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
LOL WTF?
translucent home ceo
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
what the fuck are you talking about-- a 12/15 on the Verbal ...
Dull state
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
Dood in every single med school thread you mention your reta...
Dull state
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
LMAO
Dull state
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
people really have discussions like this irl?
Bossy Rehab Friendly Grandma
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
like, they discuss what they'd be doing if they were black?
Bossy Rehab Friendly Grandma
  09/03/10
...
Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
Of course. Monday is "what would I be doing if I w...
charismatic talking gaming laptop garrison
  09/03/10
an old friend of mine from HS went to harvard medical schoo...
Greedy ratface nibblets
  09/03/10
doctors are generally "no great shakes intellectually&q...
translucent home ceo
  09/03/10
no it just happened to suddenly becum 55% female
Dull state
  09/03/10
good point
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
Ever heard of Bakke?
Azure idiotic station queen of the night
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
Regents of the University of California v. Bukakke?
white personal credit line party of the first part
  09/03/10
It's at least as significant as law school AA
white personal credit line party of the first part
  09/03/10
It's worse. Much worse. AA admits to top calibre research ...
disrespectful duck-like location pozpig
  09/03/10
i've heard this. but what do you think about the argument th...
claret area
  09/03/10
The USMLE is a minimum competency exam. It's like the bar. ...
disrespectful duck-like location pozpig
  09/03/10
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Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
True But medical students are on average smarter than law...
disrespectful duck-like location pozpig
  09/03/10
Doesn't the score determine your residence match? It seem...
Shivering Fluffy Prole
  09/03/10
no it helps but interviews are what will determine where you...
Dull state
  09/03/10
...
Multi-colored dilemma knife
  09/03/10
Residency programs practice affirmative action just like BIG...
Lascivious swollen dragon
  09/03/10
if it justified it then all doctors would be created equally...
Dull state
  09/03/10
And just how many "blacks" are there at integrated...
translucent home ceo
  09/03/10
It just goes to show how big the gap is in undergraduate and...
disrespectful duck-like location pozpig
  09/03/10
Stop being so insecure and sensitive.
white personal credit line party of the first part
  09/03/10
To "lose" your spot via AA to a minority wouldn't ...
fragrant lemon church building
  09/03/10
no because as long as you get into med school you are pretty...
Dull state
  09/03/10
I don't know. I think anyone who can't qualify for medical s...
fragrant lemon church building
  09/03/10
there is no such thing as a school on the lower end. for all...
Dull state
  09/03/10
Don't the people who can't qualify for US schools end up doi...
fragrant lemon church building
  09/03/10
yes
Dull state
  09/03/10
"for all intensive purposes" is this now a xo mem...
bateful alpha water buffalo
  09/03/10
That or he's a retard.
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
i don't think anyone actually says "oh my fucking god, ...
Histrionic citrine weed whacker
  09/03/10
CR, but if you were going to ask how you would have done wit...
geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold
  09/03/10
Even if there is it doesn't matter. Everyone wants a Jewish ...
Deranged indian lodge
  09/03/10
I have teh Jewish gyno. He is good.
fragrant lemon church building
  09/03/10
yep.
Deranged indian lodge
  09/03/10
Let me guess, you are Jewish?
Avocado Shrine Jew
  09/03/10
NOT FOR DR. OF VOOOOOOOOOOOOODOOOOOOOO Hey, I've never ...
Know-it-all metal round eye center
  09/03/10
not so much race based aa. i mean there are not many "u...
cerebral carmine organic girlfriend
  09/03/10
Isn't this the sort of thing that just like, varies from sch...
Confused Supple Principal's Office
  09/03/10
*is introduced to surgeon* *notices he is black* *cove...
ivory sinister corn cake
  09/03/10
*doesn't want black surgeon to laugh at his TINY FUCKING DIC...
translucent home ceo
  09/03/10


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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:31 AM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

Met a black dude the other day from a top med school. Just got me wondering about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953292)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:32 AM
Author: crawly vibrant business firm turdskin

LOL TYFT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953296)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:40 AM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

Not kidding. I assume there is AA, but is it as big as it is in law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953440)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:41 AM
Author: wonderful beta faggot firefighter resort

Who cares if there is or isn't? At the end of the day, everyone in med school has to pass the boards to become certified.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953458)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:43 AM
Author: bateful alpha water buffalo

but the AA guy took mr. pumo flame's spot at HMS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953480)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:58 AM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

lol no. i'm not even against AA necessarily. i just know nothing about med school admissions. i do however know about law school admissions and i know that it is a significant boost there. so i was wondering if med school was like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953662)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:03 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953723)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:18 AM
Author: Dull state

your flame is unraveling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953875)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:22 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953925)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:24 AM
Author: Dull state

You claimed she scored a 42. so at the absolute worse she would have scored a 12 VR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953938)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:25 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953963)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:30 AM
Author: translucent home ceo

LOL WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954005)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:35 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954052)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:40 AM
Author: Dull state

what the fuck are you talking about-- a 12/15 on the Verbal is around the 99th percentile.

Your flame fucking sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954109)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:46 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954158)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:47 AM
Author: Dull state

Dood in every single med school thread you mention your retarded wife and her 40+ MCAT. It doesn't take a genius to spot your flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954172)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:52 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954210)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:53 AM
Author: Dull state

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954228)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:55 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954242)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:39 AM
Author: Bossy Rehab Friendly Grandma

people really have discussions like this irl?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954097)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954110)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:47 AM
Author: Bossy Rehab Friendly Grandma

like, they discuss what they'd be doing if they were black?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954164)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:53 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954225)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:24 AM
Author: charismatic talking gaming laptop garrison

Of course.

Monday is "what would I be doing if I were black" day

Tueseday is "what would I be doing if I were Latino/a" day

Wednesday is "what would I be doing if I were homo" day

Thursday is "what would I be doing if I were Jewish" day

Friday is "what would I be doing if I were Muslim" day.

The weekends, of course, are "just enjoy being majority" days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955601)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:38 PM
Author: Greedy ratface nibblets

an old friend of mine from HS went to harvard medical school. she is black.. i can tell you she is no great shakes intellectually. not even close to being a genius or really very bright. extremely driven and extremely hardworking, yes, but not even one of the 10 or so smartest people at my HS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956322)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:43 PM
Author: translucent home ceo

doctors are generally "no great shakes intellectually" you racist FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956370)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:42 AM
Author: Dull state

no it just happened to suddenly becum 55% female

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953465)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:59 AM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953675)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:45 AM
Author: Azure idiotic station queen of the night

Ever heard of Bakke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953503)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:04 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953734)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:06 AM
Author: white personal credit line party of the first part

Regents of the University of California v. Bukakke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953756)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:01 AM
Author: white personal credit line party of the first part

It's at least as significant as law school AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953701)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:08 AM
Author: disrespectful duck-like location pozpig

It's worse. Much worse. AA admits to top calibre research programs wouldn't be locks for most bottom tier schools if they were white.

Law school applicants (including black applicants) take a bunch of touchy-feely easy liberal arts classes in college, so there are quite a few AA candidates with high GPAs.

Med school applicants take large, somewhat difficult, curved, and blindly graded courses (and courses in which professors fail people -- no gentleman's B+). Whatever you want to blame the gap on, you can probably guess how that works out.

So they have to dig deeper and use far more blunt AA policies to get the desired quotas of each race.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953776)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:12 AM
Author: claret area

i've heard this. but what do you think about the argument that, even though there is aa, every doctor has to pass the usmle's (or whatever they're called--not pre-med here, just interested in this subject) and therefore the ends justify the means?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953811)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:13 AM
Author: disrespectful duck-like location pozpig

The USMLE is a minimum competency exam. It's like the bar.

It doesn't weed out anyone but tards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953823)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953845)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:17 AM
Author: disrespectful duck-like location pozpig

True

But medical students are on average smarter than law students. It's still a minimum comp exam with a high pass rate. First time MD takers pass at all steps at a 97% rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953869)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:32 AM
Author: Shivering Fluffy Prole

Doesn't the score determine your residence match?

It seems much more like the LSAT than the bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954027)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM
Author: Dull state

no it helps but interviews are what will determine where you end up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954118)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:02 AM
Author: Multi-colored dilemma knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954286)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:20 AM
Author: Lascivious swollen dragon

Residency programs practice affirmative action just like BIGLAW firms do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955583)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: Dull state

if it justified it then all doctors would be created equally which is not the case and which is why healthcare is so fucking scary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953843)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:14 AM
Author: translucent home ceo

And just how many "blacks" are there at integrated med schools buddy? Answer: <2% but keep bitching about how a black guy stole you're spot at HMS. LOL RACIST FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953830)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: disrespectful duck-like location pozpig

It just goes to show how big the gap is in undergraduate and mcat performance. They do get huge AA bumps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953844)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:16 AM
Author: white personal credit line party of the first part

Stop being so insecure and sensitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953856)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:57 AM
Author: fragrant lemon church building

To "lose" your spot via AA to a minority wouldn't you have had to be bottom 2% or so anyway?

Wouldn't you be better off doing something you aren't in the bottom 2% qualified to do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954256)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:59 AM
Author: Dull state

no because as long as you get into med school you are pretty much set for life. med schools do everything in their power to pass students and have them graduate and make big $$$$$$. thats the whole point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954264)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:00 AM
Author: fragrant lemon church building

I don't know. I think anyone who can't qualify for medical school because of AA must have been a very marginal candidate anyway. Wouldn't the result be that you end up being admitted to a school a bit lower on the totem pole?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954274)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:02 AM
Author: Dull state

there is no such thing as a school on the lower end. for all intensive purposes they are all the same.

i know people who got in with low mcats and did extremely well on the usmle/boards. thats the whole point. the mcat is the hardest part for most and the main barrier. actual med school is just memorization.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954288)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:03 AM
Author: fragrant lemon church building

Don't the people who can't qualify for US schools end up doing medicine on some tropical island?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954296)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:04 AM
Author: Dull state

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954311)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:18 AM
Author: bateful alpha water buffalo

"for all intensive purposes" is this now a xo meme?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955320)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:12 PM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

That or he's a retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956177)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:31 AM
Author: Histrionic citrine weed whacker

i don't think anyone actually says "oh my fucking god, if it wasn't for that diabolical darrontavius jefferson i'd have been a LOCK at harvard!" especially since anyone who near-misses from harvard will still have plenty of great options

otoh it's kind of creepy to think that low 20's mcat is typical of black admits - that isn't likely to make anyone want a black doctor, all other things being equal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955373)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:14 PM
Author: geriatric ruddy half-breed cuckold

CR, but if you were going to ask how you would have done without AA it's not just the 2% at the school you just missed that matters, it's also the 2% at every school higher than that which could add up.

But on the other hand maybe those schools wouldn't even be taking as many students without AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956187)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:03 AM
Author: Deranged indian lodge

Even if there is it doesn't matter. Everyone wants a Jewish doctor and those are the guys who get paid by wealthy people. This isn't flame, racist, or based upon any other motivation, it's the honest-to-God absolute truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954299)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:05 AM
Author: fragrant lemon church building

I have teh Jewish gyno. He is good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954314)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:06 AM
Author: Deranged indian lodge

yep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954329)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:36 AM
Author: Avocado Shrine Jew

Let me guess, you are Jewish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955413)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:04 AM
Author: Know-it-all metal round eye center

NOT FOR DR. OF VOOOOOOOOOOOOODOOOOOOOO

Hey, I've never seen a nigger vet - have you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954305)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:10 AM
Author: cerebral carmine organic girlfriend

not so much race based aa. i mean there are not many "urm" at most schools. but many schools have faggots on the admissions committee. they can set requirements like "community service", working with "diverse" populations,etc. it's all to justify giving a spot to someone with 10mcat points lower than me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955292)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:32 AM
Author: Confused Supple Principal's Office

Isn't this the sort of thing that just like, varies from school to school? like, something schools decide on their own?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955383)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:33 AM
Author: ivory sinister corn cake

*is introduced to surgeon*

*notices he is black*

*covertly asks for different surgeon*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955388)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:40 AM
Author: translucent home ceo

*doesn't want black surgeon to laugh at his TINY FUCKING DICK*

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955679)