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went to the hospital via ambulance last night

10/10 back pain that was radiating toward the front of my ch...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
Did they check your blood pressure?
Bistre Abusive Abode Brethren
  06/06/25
yeah, it was a bit elevated. but all of my tests came back n...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
No they don't check blood pressure in that kind of situation
rose menage stain
  06/06/25
lol, can’t tell if flame
duck-like macaca
  06/06/25
They check blood pressure for literally everything
copper theater volcanic crater
  06/06/25
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Excitant Forum Wagecucks
  06/06/25
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Glittery parlor philosopher-king
  06/06/25
Also, this is 40.
Bistre Abusive Abode Brethren
  06/06/25
I didn't mind the fentanyl I got on the ambulance. I went fr...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
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Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency
  06/06/25
LJL that will never happen. I hate opiates/opioids and have ...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
Oxy after my hemorrhoidectomy felt fantastic. I can’t ...
Honey-headed floppy foreskin cruise ship
  06/06/25
I had oxy after my knee surgery. Absolutely hated it and I c...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/07/25
You shit all over the Natural History Museum?
Cowardly school cafeteria
  06/07/25
The handicapped stall by the entrance after the ticket booth
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/07/25
twist. you cant make this stuff up
aggressive plum nowag dysfunction
  06/06/25
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Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency
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Glittery parlor philosopher-king
  06/06/25
maintaining average weight is the secret to life
aggressive plum nowag dysfunction
  06/06/25
Why the ambulance? Didn't we resolve in that thread a while ...
bull headed garrison
  06/06/25
I couldn't move from the back pain
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
Damn
bull headed garrison
  06/06/25
That's like a $10,000 bill.
Glittery parlor philosopher-king
  06/06/25
not including tip
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copper theater volcanic crater
  06/06/25
I’m sure he’ll pay it promptly
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talented topaz gunner digit ratio
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LOL
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Cowardly school cafeteria
  06/27/25
he can pay in installments using klarna
soul-stirring site crotch
  06/06/25
He can profit by running it through the insurance at each of...
Passionate pisswyrm partner
  06/06/25
were you admitted or ><>dingfagged<><> ...
aphrodisiac umber theater stage
  06/06/25
dingfagged with prescription advil
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
terrible. love you man want the best. pay your useless ambul...
aphrodisiac umber theater stage
  06/06/25
LJL I have insurance
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
are u gonna sue them saying it was a medical emergency when ...
Cowardly school cafeteria
  06/06/25
You need to hit tsinah up with a pls respond. Notice I just ...
aphrodisiac umber theater stage
  06/06/25
What caused it? Every time I've had terrible back pain it wa...
Glittery parlor philosopher-king
  06/06/25
I must've pulled something when I was moving dirt over the w...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
Dirte tp is moving?
aggressive plum nowag dysfunction
  06/06/25
Is “moving dirt” your euphemism for taking a mas...
sooty institution reading party
  06/06/25
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flesh sinister office love of her life
  06/06/25
same, and pain shows up the next day and just stays in the b...
aggressive plum nowag dysfunction
  06/06/25
u cant, ur back
slate public bath water buffalo
  06/06/25
glad everything turned out alright.
Citrine beady-eyed space
  06/06/25
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Excitant Forum Wagecucks
  06/06/25
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Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell
  06/06/25
the location and sharpness of pain
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
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Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell
  06/06/25
Drawing a normal breath is definitely a "I can't, my ba...
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  06/06/25
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Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/06/25
Expected disco to be the OP
blue embarrassed to the bone filthpig point
  06/06/25
both are fat birdshits that have been wined and dined by CSL...
magenta thriller hunting ground stock car
  06/06/25
Did you ever watch any of his court videos? TSINAH is at lea...
odious vermilion plaza
  06/06/25
Stunned this wasn’t a disco fries thread
sooty institution reading party
  06/06/25
Expected it to be a kidney stone
Bateful orchid friendly grandma nursing home
  06/06/25
sounds scary as shit, thoughts of death race through ur mind...
Flirting resort faggot firefighter
  06/06/25
The HOG was on the toilet
big offensive gaming laptop address
  06/06/25
Did they check your prostate? the 'ol 'trauma handshake'?
costumed crackhouse
  06/06/25
Thank god they didn't. One of my chiropractor buds told me a...
Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner
  06/07/25


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Date: June 6th, 2025 9:57 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

10/10 back pain that was radiating toward the front of my chest. they thought it was a pulmonary embolism at first. turns out it was just back pain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991819)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 9:57 AM
Author: Bistre Abusive Abode Brethren

Did they check your blood pressure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991822)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:00 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

yeah, it was a bit elevated. but all of my tests came back negative, including the CT and chest x-ray

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991831)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:52 AM
Author: rose menage stain

No they don't check blood pressure in that kind of situation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991994)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: duck-like macaca

lol, can’t tell if flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992068)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: copper theater volcanic crater

They check blood pressure for literally everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992339)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 5:40 PM
Author: Excitant Forum Wagecucks



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Date: June 6th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: Glittery parlor philosopher-king



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Date: June 6th, 2025 9:58 AM
Author: Bistre Abusive Abode Brethren

Also, this is 40.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991823)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:01 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

I didn't mind the fentanyl I got on the ambulance. I went from 10/10 pain to 0/10 pain almost instantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991833)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:02 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

LJL that will never happen. I hate opiates/opioids and have only had them twice in my life: once when I had knee surgery and the other time last night. Yeah, it took the pain away, but it also wasn't a feeling I'd like to repeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991848)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:06 PM
Author: Honey-headed floppy foreskin cruise ship

Oxy after my hemorrhoidectomy felt fantastic. I can’t imagine not liking that feeling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992346)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

I had oxy after my knee surgery. Absolutely hated it and I couldn't shit for a week until one day for no reason at all It Happened on the 26th day of the month of July in the 2016th year of our Lord at the American Museum of Natural History in NYC. That moment was unforgettable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48994548)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 11:37 AM
Author: Cowardly school cafeteria

You shit all over the Natural History Museum?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48994549)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

The handicapped stall by the entrance after the ticket booth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48994583)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: aggressive plum nowag dysfunction

twist. you cant make this stuff up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991851)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:01 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991834)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:03 AM
Author: Glittery parlor philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991843)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: aggressive plum nowag dysfunction

maintaining average weight is the secret to life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991854)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:02 AM
Author: bull headed garrison

Why the ambulance? Didn't we resolve in that thread a while back that you just need aspirin, and start the drive to the hospital asap?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991837)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:03 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

I couldn't move from the back pain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991845)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: bull headed garrison

Damn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991853)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: Glittery parlor philosopher-king

That's like a $10,000 bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991846)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: aggressive plum nowag dysfunction

not including tip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991855)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: At-the-ready disgusting school cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991861)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Cowardly school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991868)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:42 AM
Author: Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991960)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: copper theater volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992342)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: big offensive gaming laptop address

I’m sure he’ll pay it promptly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991900)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: Bistre Abusive Abode Brethren



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: Cowardly school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991914)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:36 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:42 AM
Author: Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991962)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:48 AM
Author: overrated nighttime locus quadroon



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:51 AM
Author: magenta thriller hunting ground stock car



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:53 AM
Author: rose menage stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991995)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: duck-like macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992070)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: blue embarrassed to the bone filthpig point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992078)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: aquamarine shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992084)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: sooty institution reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992109)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: odious vermilion plaza



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: Stimulating ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992266)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Passionate pisswyrm partner



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:41 PM
Author: talented topaz gunner digit ratio



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Date: June 7th, 2025 2:52 PM
Author: multi-colored cream circlehead psychic

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48994925)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Ladyboy Doctorate



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: Cowardly school cafeteria



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: soul-stirring site crotch

he can pay in installments using klarna

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991963)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Passionate pisswyrm partner

He can profit by running it through the insurance at each of his three jobs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992400)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: aphrodisiac umber theater stage

were you admitted or ><>dingfagged<><> and they gave you aspirin or some shit. please respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991847)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

dingfagged with prescription advil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991852)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: aphrodisiac umber theater stage

terrible. love you man want the best. pay your useless ambulance bill of $10,000 and don't put it on us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991913)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

LJL I have insurance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991917)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Cowardly school cafeteria

are u gonna sue them saying it was a medical emergency when they inevitably refuse to pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991989)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: aphrodisiac umber theater stage

You need to hit tsinah up with a pls respond. Notice I just put it in my initial post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992100)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: Glittery parlor philosopher-king

What caused it? Every time I've had terrible back pain it was because I pulled something or was doing a bunch of unusual movements the previous day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991850)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

I must've pulled something when I was moving dirt over the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991856)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: aggressive plum nowag dysfunction

Dirte tp is moving?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991863)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:36 AM
Author: sooty institution reading party

Is “moving dirt” your euphemism for taking a massive toilet-destroying shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992116)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: flesh sinister office love of her life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992340)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: aggressive plum nowag dysfunction

same, and pain shows up the next day and just stays in the back area. radiating pain sounds like you pulled a nerve or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991858)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: slate public bath water buffalo

u cant, ur back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991903)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: Citrine beady-eyed space

glad everything turned out alright.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991957)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 5:42 PM
Author: Excitant Forum Wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48993019)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:44 AM
Author: Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991966)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:46 AM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

the location and sharpness of pain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991976)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Hairraiser Learning Disabled Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48991997)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:20 PM
Author: contagious shaky tanning salon

Drawing a normal breath is definitely a "I can't, my back" situation for bad backmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992203)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:23 PM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992207)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:23 AM
Author: blue embarrassed to the bone filthpig point

Expected disco to be the OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992077)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: magenta thriller hunting ground stock car

both are fat birdshits that have been wined and dined by CSLG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992082)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:46 AM
Author: odious vermilion plaza

Did you ever watch any of his court videos? TSINAH is at least as fat as DF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992139)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: sooty institution reading party

Stunned this wasn’t a disco fries thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992105)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: Bateful orchid friendly grandma nursing home

Expected it to be a kidney stone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992795)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 4:36 PM
Author: Flirting resort faggot firefighter

sounds scary as shit, thoughts of death race through ur mind? did u have anyone to help u get medical assistance/advice before the ambulance arrived?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734175&forum_id=2#48992906)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 5:41 PM
Author: big offensive gaming laptop address

The HOG was on the toilet

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Date: June 6th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: costumed crackhouse

Did they check your prostate? the 'ol 'trauma handshake'?

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Date: June 7th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Tantric territorial candlestick maker corner

Thank god they didn't. One of my chiropractor buds told me about the ol' trauma handshake where they shove their hand into your ass, grab your prostate, and simultaneously squeeze your dick. It's apparently a test to see if you're alive.

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