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Being a lawn guy beats grilling, golfing, or snobby beer tasting.

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes&rdq...
razzmatazz generalized bond party of the first part
  05/14/24
you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't h...
Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site
  05/14/24
lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.
amethyst cocky dysfunction tanning salon
  05/14/24
🙋‍♂️
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
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boyish hyperventilating property dog poop
  05/14/24
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Adventurous pit
  05/14/24
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Bronze athletic conference
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Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.
plum crackhouse stock car
  05/14/24
It's the worst option in there by far.
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
golf is 180 you jewfuck
Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site
  05/14/24
I quit my country club this year and don't have a single reg...
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything ...
Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site
  05/14/24
lol mowing your lawn sucks shit
Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site
  05/14/24
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plum crackhouse stock car
  05/14/24
I love my golf course lawn. Nothing beats a 1" high cu...
chocolate big-titted circlehead
  05/14/24
wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff ...
boyish hyperventilating property dog poop
  05/14/24
lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house
chocolate big-titted circlehead
  05/14/24
I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house b...
boyish hyperventilating property dog poop
  05/14/24
Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinne...
honey-headed step-uncle's house
  05/14/24
The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the...
honey-headed step-uncle's house
  05/14/24
stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.
chocolate big-titted circlehead
  05/14/24
100%. An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and pr...
amethyst cocky dysfunction tanning salon
  05/14/24
I don't edge. 🥲
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut your...
Stimulating Snowy Headpube
  05/14/24
the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a le...
Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site
  05/14/24
That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move
Stimulating Snowy Headpube
  05/14/24
lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and...
Jet-lagged location sweet tailpipe
  05/14/24
I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify ...
plum crackhouse stock car
  05/14/24
fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkwee...
Adventurous pit
  05/14/24
https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for ...
mind-boggling maniacal rigor address
  05/14/24
Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover
ruby stead
  05/15/24
lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to s...
Adventurous pit
  05/14/24
180
ruby stead
  05/15/24
Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or g...
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of o...
boyish hyperventilating property dog poop
  05/14/24
Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns compar...
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
What did lawnbulls do to you?
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s...
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on...
Walnut Parlor
  05/14/24
imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or...
chocolate big-titted circlehead
  05/14/24
(gay trailer kike)
floppy blue house
  05/14/24
agreed
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obv...
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it...
Walnut Parlor
  05/14/24
Go prune your rose bush faggot
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit y...
Walnut Parlor
  05/14/24
I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the ...
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out t...
honey-headed step-uncle's house
  05/14/24
Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and fore...
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lam...
Lake Hairy Legs
  05/14/24
they're catty fags
mind-boggling maniacal rigor address
  05/14/24
...
Gold genital piercing
  05/14/24
Lmao. Get bent.
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat
Lake Hairy Legs
  05/14/24
Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
you mean a meadow?
Lake Hairy Legs
  05/14/24
I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete mega...
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landl...
Lake Hairy Legs
  05/14/24
If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.
passionate hunting ground home
  05/14/24
twice a year
Lake Hairy Legs
  05/14/24
Cricket anyone?
electric magenta box office love of her life
  05/14/24
I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...
Marvelous Pearl Internal Respiration Personal Credit Line
  05/14/24
When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn bare...
very tactful rehab marketing idea
  05/14/24
I Walk The Lawn
Marvelous Pearl Internal Respiration Personal Credit Line
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:23 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659940)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:26 AM
Author: razzmatazz generalized bond party of the first part

I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes” doing it so she refuses to let us pay for a lawn service since she says she’d just rather do it so I have to beat her to the mower and do it myself or I look like an asshole in front of the neighborhood for making my wife cut the grass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659941)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site

you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't have a wife and probably don't have a lawn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659967)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:27 AM
Author: amethyst cocky dysfunction tanning salon

lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659942)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

🙋‍♂️

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659955)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: boyish hyperventilating property dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660048)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:15 AM
Author: Adventurous pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660209)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: Bronze athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659945)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: plum crackhouse stock car

Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659946)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:13 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

It's the worst option in there by far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660040)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:26 AM
Author: Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site

golf is 180 you jewfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660086)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:38 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

I quit my country club this year and don't have a single regret.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660123)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site

dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything else and you'll pay through the dick in initiation if you ever want back in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660433)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site

lol mowing your lawn sucks shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659968)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 AM
Author: plum crackhouse stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659970)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:16 AM
Author: chocolate big-titted circlehead

I love my golf course lawn.

Nothing beats a 1" high cut deep green Kentucky Bluegrass lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660054)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: boyish hyperventilating property dog poop

wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff like striping attachments for your lawn mower - I have friends who do this and I want one when I get a house again

https://www.amazon.com/Toro-20601-Lawn-Striping-System/dp/B004ZKXYUO/ref=asc_df_B004ZKXYUO/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693308318791&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4640841603144006981&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010937&hvtargid=pla-350224723370&psc=1&mcid=9c51b0c8d2d73a09b5bbc7cb8a496959&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwl4yyBhAgEiwADSEjeIOciF3s2e4vs9Q_zzAdhQJ0yUPUZNi1sJkSNC91n6_8SYzumbgvTRoCSJMQAvD_BwE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660074)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:01 AM
Author: chocolate big-titted circlehead

lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660186)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:29 AM
Author: boyish hyperventilating property dog poop

I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660250)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:35 AM
Author: honey-headed step-uncle's house

Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinners out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660269)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:25 AM
Author: honey-headed step-uncle's house

The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the worst part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660083)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:02 AM
Author: chocolate big-titted circlehead

stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660189)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:19 AM
Author: amethyst cocky dysfunction tanning salon

100%.

An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and prole if the edging is not done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660220)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:09 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

I don't edge. 🥲

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660386)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: Stimulating Snowy Headpube

Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut yourself is peak lawndaddy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660173)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:05 AM
Author: Ebony Adulterous Scourge Upon The Earth Site

the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a legit green probably would leave you with little time to actually practice putting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660197)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: Stimulating Snowy Headpube

That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660716)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:09 AM
Author: Jet-lagged location sweet tailpipe

lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and easy to maintain as possible. that way if your wife wants to plant some tulips in some dirt or something it doesnt matter. the way some of these boomers designed these yards is absurd to me. its like having a swimming pool for a front yard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660199)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:50 AM
Author: plum crackhouse stock car

I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify that bitch as a Monarch Waypoint.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660315)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:10 AM
Author: Adventurous pit

fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkweed and get certified like yny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660390)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: mind-boggling maniacal rigor address

https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for 1k woodland critters you're not white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662037)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: ruby stead

Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662576)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:17 AM
Author: Adventurous pit

lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to snuff out the grass. but i'm a native plants faggot. i agree with your underlying point that landscaping and gardening is 180. i just pulled my first radishes yesterday. my peas should start flowering soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660216)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: ruby stead

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662578)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:22 AM
Author: Gold genital piercing

Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or golf is lol. The phenotypes are not matched.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660231)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:30 AM
Author: boyish hyperventilating property dog poop

You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of overlap

I am friends with the son of a prominent us senator, fratty as fuck and makes a lot of money from his nepotism job, that obsesses over his lawn and does all of the work himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660255)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:20 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing

Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns comparing himself to a golfer is like a geek that plays Magic the Gathering comparing himself to a quarterback.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

What did lawnbulls do to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660760)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:36 AM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s. I wouldn't expect most Californians to understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660276)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:58 AM
Author: Walnut Parlor

Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on the course. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660351)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: chocolate big-titted circlehead

imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or something. Might as well be discussing ancient chinese calligraphy with him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660431)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: floppy blue house

(gay trailer kike)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660435)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing

agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660565)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing

yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obviously not lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660561)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:03 PM
Author: Walnut Parlor

I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it's like where you came from. Maybe you should go back. But here in America when one of your golfing buddies gets a new tractor or puts up an impressive Christmas light display it's a topic of conversation among the golfing dad set.

Additional easy ways for this to happen is someone mentioning they've been chipping in the backyard. Or somebody mentions they played at shady acres last week and it sucked because the greens had been aerated (oh, we're having our lawn aerated next week, etc.) Or whatever man. I think it's best if you just go back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661477)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing

Go prune your rose bush faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661510)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: Walnut Parlor

The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661537)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing

I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the Mexicans that maintain my lawn for me. How did this year's zucchini crop fit in your butthold fag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661690)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:36 PM
Author: honey-headed step-uncle's house

Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out there.

Grilling is kind of meh, can be mastered in about 4-6 months of practice.

Golf is just expensive and stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661395)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:09 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and foresight to make a spectacular yard. If you are wondering where all the Michaelangelos went, they are on their zero turns right now.

Grilling/BBQ is art but anyone can become proficient quickly. It is like going to one of those wine and paint places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661491)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:53 PM
Author: Lake Hairy Legs

lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lame enough to find running a little machine to be entertaining as they have never run real machinery and the total amount of material waste that goes into some big perfect lawn is enormous, all while destroying natural habitat for native plants and species in the service of...nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661447)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:07 PM
Author: mind-boggling maniacal rigor address

they're catty fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661486)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Gold genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661512)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

Lmao. Get bent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661538)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: Lake Hairy Legs

enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661543)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:38 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661562)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:41 PM
Author: Lake Hairy Legs

you mean a meadow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:08 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete megalopolis is beautiful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661639)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:10 PM
Author: Lake Hairy Legs

I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landlord insists I mow a bunch of lawn too, but the field is much more aesthetically pleasing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661643)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:14 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home

If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661653)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:27 PM
Author: Lake Hairy Legs

twice a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661701)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:44 PM
Author: electric magenta box office love of her life

Cricket anyone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661574)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 PM
Author: Marvelous Pearl Internal Respiration Personal Credit Line

I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662063)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:32 PM
Author: very tactful rehab marketing idea

When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn barefoot, enjoying the dusk, sipping a scotch, enjoy a guilty secret cigarette. Simple pleasures of life.

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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: Marvelous Pearl Internal Respiration Personal Credit Line

I Walk The Lawn

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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:11 PM
Author: passionate hunting ground home



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