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This 'demiurge' pontificating seems like flame

some folks just want to sound smart I guess
Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter
  10/15/22
I like the concept of the demiurge, which is separate from t...
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yellow jet-lagged useless brakes meetinghouse
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bateful range
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topaz laser beams
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Pink sanctuary
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Turning gnostic brb
Jet house
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God allowing for evil as a necessary component of free will ...
Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter
  10/20/22
That conception only really works if you divorce mankind fro...
Vigorous Electric Furnace
  10/20/22
Animal kingdom is objectively separate from the mankind beca...
Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter
  10/20/22
I separate humans from animals/nonhumans on the basis that I...
At-the-ready splenetic church building
  10/20/22
What do about the brainless NPCs?
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Vigorous Electric Furnace
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yeah its powertrip homosexuality for nerds
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Date: October 15th, 2022 10:25 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter

some folks just want to sound smart I guess

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Date: October 19th, 2022 12:02 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace

I like the concept of the demiurge, which is separate from the concept of the Devil

The emphasis of the Devil in the New Testament seems mostly to be a personal demon, ie it tempts a person and if the person falls into temptation, they create evil in the world and if they create enough evil, they go to hell when they die . Now Jesus was offered by the devil to be lord over the nations of the earth, which indicates that the devil could deliver on that promise, but that seems to be the only time where that is suggested

The demiurge on the other hand is a deeply malevolent, evil being which created and is in control over all material reality. It is not the ultimate Godhead, but it controls material reality. It’s goal is to trap God souls in material reality and then torture and destroy them; less of an emphasis on going to Hell after death, this world IS hell. One can see this because the universe is predatory; anything alive survives by killing and eating another live organism, which is just an awful concept. And in terms of humanity, the good suffer and the evil prosper. This explanation seems to me based on observation to be closer to the truth than the traditional understanding of the Devil

I guess both involve a spiritual struggle to retain goodness in the face of evil, which is maybe why the Godhead allowed this system, but the demiurge concept just makes evil way more in your face and all encompassing

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Date: October 19th, 2022 2:14 PM
Author: yellow jet-lagged useless brakes meetinghouse



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Date: October 19th, 2022 4:07 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace



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Date: October 19th, 2022 4:12 PM
Author: bateful range



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Date: October 19th, 2022 4:13 PM
Author: topaz laser beams



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Date: October 19th, 2022 4:19 PM
Author: Pink sanctuary



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Date: October 19th, 2022 5:06 PM
Author: Jet house

Turning gnostic brb

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Date: October 20th, 2022 7:45 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter

God allowing for evil as a necessary component of free will seems like a more elegant theology to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213324&forum_id=2#45364620)



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Date: October 20th, 2022 7:50 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace

That conception only really works if you divorce mankind from the rest of the animal kingdom, which you and others may prefer to do but which i don't think is tenable. humans are animals and everything alive in this universe survives by eating other alive things -- a conception of true horror imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213324&forum_id=2#45364645)



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Date: October 20th, 2022 8:11 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter

Animal kingdom is objectively separate from the mankind because it does not know the abstract concepts, including good and evil. What is animal suffering from the animal point of view is very hard to say, you can only say what it is from your point of view. I empathize, but what would it be without the observer? You can say that God is an observer and arrive at the demiurge. But it is still your point of view imposed on God.

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Date: October 20th, 2022 8:18 PM
Author: At-the-ready splenetic church building

I separate humans from animals/nonhumans on the basis that I'm a human. No cosmology or theology needed.

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Date: October 20th, 2022 8:22 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter

What do about the brainless NPCs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213324&forum_id=2#45364796)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace



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Date: October 31st, 2022 11:05 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace



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Date: October 19th, 2022 2:10 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace



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Date: October 19th, 2022 6:51 PM
Author: Vigorous Electric Furnace



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Date: October 20th, 2022 8:16 PM
Author: boyish insanely creepy spot

yeah its powertrip homosexuality for nerds

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Date: October 30th, 2022 4:01 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter



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Date: October 21st, 2022 7:37 PM
Author: Dashing misunderstood telephone trump supporter



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Date: June 27th, 2024 7:48 PM
Author: yellow jet-lagged useless brakes meetinghouse



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