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How important is MOOT COURT?

i'm definitely doing it, but won't have much time to work on...
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
lol, outed as a faggot
aphrodisiac school mexican
  09/02/10
Not at all outside of a minor note on your resume. If you w...
at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account
  09/02/10
Even further, you learn basically nothing. Either you're go...
at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account
  09/02/10
lol
iridescent yarmulke
  09/02/10
lol no one cares about moot court
Primrose confused depressive property
  09/02/10
...
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
Moot Court doesn't matter for shit. I don't even know why p...
Lascivious fortuitous meteor range
  09/02/10
That's not really true - it doesn't mean much, but there's n...
at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account
  09/02/10
I wouldn't list either. Why do people put worthless things ...
Lascivious fortuitous meteor range
  09/02/10
To show that they did something besides for smoke pot and sk...
at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account
  09/02/10
Not really, this isn't college applications. I didn't have a...
Odious Degenerate Legal Warrant
  09/02/10
i've already put it on my resume. if i decide not to do it ...
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
What do you think would happen if you listed it, dropped out...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/05/10
if you win best brief/oralist at hys then mention it on your...
big-titted sable shrine
  09/02/10
precisely; and anyone who didn't figure this out intuitively...
Federal address volcanic crater
  09/02/10
did you win best brief or just best oralist at HYS moot cour...
Overrated brilliant brunch
  09/02/10
Neither, his team got spanked by either Howard or Stetson.
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/02/10
lol moron
Insecure concupiscible black woman mood
  09/07/10
If you are doing CBs, why do you care about doing moot? You'...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/02/10
i might not. moot court stuff kicks into gear soon.
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
Regardless, moot court isn't going to get you an offer, one ...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/02/10
i know i'm more concerned with the effects of telling emp...
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
omg if you didn't do it's auto-ding for you.
at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account
  09/02/10
:(
Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel
  09/02/10
How are they going to know you decided NOT to do it? You put...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/02/10
Nobody is going to ask, "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO MOOT COURT?!...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/05/10
If the interviewer did Moot Court and was good at Moot Court...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/08/10
it has the word moot in it
fuchsia dog poop
  09/02/10
lol excellent point
dashing narrow-minded codepig clown
  09/02/10
It is pointless unless you win a competition. Simply bei...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/02/10
I would switch the order of Mock Trial champion and Moot Cou...
Mewling Ivory Deer Antler
  09/02/10
I found that judges were fond of the LR and Moot Court combo...
dashing narrow-minded codepig clown
  09/02/10
To be fair, Lol funzies!!!
mischievous cerise faggotry
  09/02/10
lulz. I'm a dork, man. It's just the way it be.
dashing narrow-minded codepig clown
  09/02/10
ROFL at somebody on moot court and LR being well-rounded
misunderstood violent scourge upon the earth trailer park
  09/02/10
It suggests that you research and write well (LR), and that ...
dashing narrow-minded codepig clown
  09/02/10
"Good on your feet"? You must not have seen too...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/02/10
I was also a moot court judge, dipshit. But I agree that ...
dashing narrow-minded codepig clown
  09/05/10
Hey dipshit, You say "moot court judge" as if t...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/07/10
if you spent enough time on the FRE as you did on your MC br...
Zombie-like cumskin
  09/08/10
tcr
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/08/10
Most prestigious mock trial competition?
Alcoholic nofapping tattoo
  09/07/10
To be fair, Let me put it like this: have you ever heard ...
mischievous cerise faggotry
  09/02/10
Lol, you don't need moot court to go to a V10. Plenty of kid...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/02/10
To be fair, Oh good to know, thanks for the correction.
mischievous cerise faggotry
  09/02/10
To be fair, You are welcome.
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/02/10
To Be Fairer, Who the fuck "specializes" in law...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/02/10
durrrr
trip idea he suggested
  09/08/10
Different at H, but for many schools, moot court is pretty c...
pink den
  09/02/10
Not very many people at my CCN care about doing moot court.
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/05/10
What part of NOTHING MATTERS BUT SCHOOL AND 1L GRADES YOU DU...
Aquamarine stag film
  09/02/10
+ 1 No one gives a shit.
elite rusted sound barrier
  09/05/10
The thread reminds me of this guy: http://www.top-law-s...
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/05/10
lol
Hateful Crotch
  09/05/10
lol
lemon party of the first part indirect expression
  09/07/10
secondary journal vs. moot court, which is better?
Harsh puce parlour
  09/05/10
Do the secondary journal.
Pontificating old irish cottage pit
  09/05/10
Secondary Journal.
elite rusted sound barrier
  09/05/10
Secondary journal, and I enjoyed doing Moot Court. The ...
Garnet boyish trust fund
  09/06/10
Pretty much
elite rusted sound barrier
  09/07/10
Take the secondary journal, especially because moot court mi...
lemon party of the first part indirect expression
  09/07/10
i dunno at my school Moot Court seems like a big deal and se...
blue splenetic native cuck
  09/08/10


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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:47 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel

i'm definitely doing it, but won't have much time to work on it (due to callbacks).

i don't like doing a half-assed job but think i'll be eliminated in the first round.

does this matter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947528)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:47 PM
Author: aphrodisiac school mexican

lol, outed as a faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947534)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:27 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account

Not at all outside of a minor note on your resume. If you win, it might be a bigger minor note on yoru resume. Considering how rarely young associates do anything along the lines of what you do in moot court, it's not much of a game changer. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947787)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:31 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account

Even further, you learn basically nothing. Either you're good at presenting an argument or you're not - a few hours skimming a book and doing it once or twice isn't going to change your personality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947816)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM
Author: iridescent yarmulke

lol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948826)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 9:05 PM
Author: Primrose confused depressive property

lol no one cares about moot court

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15951067)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:25 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947770)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:33 PM
Author: Lascivious fortuitous meteor range

Moot Court doesn't matter for shit. I don't even know why people list it on their resume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947829)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:34 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account

That's not really true - it doesn't mean much, but there's no reason to leave it off. I'd be more interested in this than some bullshit legal frat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947849)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:35 PM
Author: Lascivious fortuitous meteor range

I wouldn't list either. Why do people put worthless things on their resume?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947859)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:36 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account

To show that they did something besides for smoke pot and skip class - I agree it's bullshit, but you have to put something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947870)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:50 PM
Author: Odious Degenerate Legal Warrant

Not really, this isn't college applications. I didn't have any law schools ECs and had no problem getting a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949201)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:33 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel

i've already put it on my resume. if i decide not to do it i have to notify employers. would they care if they've already given me a callback?

what if they've already given me a offer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947832)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:44 AM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

What do you think would happen if you listed it, dropped out, and did NOT notify employers? They don't care, dood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15969186)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:34 PM
Author: big-titted sable shrine

if you win best brief/oralist at hys then mention it on your resume. other than the mandatory 1L year shit, which if you win can help your resume, joining "THE TEAM" as a 2L is worthless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947846)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:47 PM
Author: Federal address volcanic crater

precisely; and anyone who didn't figure this out intuitively should be concerned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947953)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:38 PM
Author: Overrated brilliant brunch

did you win best brief or just best oralist at HYS moot court?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948250)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:59 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

Neither, his team got spanked by either Howard or Stetson.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948359)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:41 PM
Author: Insecure concupiscible black woman mood

lol moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15988281)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:43 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

If you are doing CBs, why do you care about doing moot? You'll know if you have an offer before stuff really starts getting into gear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947921)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:47 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel

i might not. moot court stuff kicks into gear soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15947961)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:06 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

Regardless, moot court isn't going to get you an offer, one way or another. It'd just be an additional talking point on your resume, that's all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948076)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:09 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel

i know

i'm more concerned with the effects of telling employers I decided not to do it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948100)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:17 PM
Author: at-the-ready citrine crackhouse community account

omg if you didn't do it's auto-ding for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948161)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:19 PM
Author: Claret Painfully Honest Center Incel

:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948170)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:09 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

How are they going to know you decided NOT to do it? You put on your resume:

Activities: Did NOT participate in Moot Court.

Dude, they ask about stuff on your resume, not stuff off it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949367)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:45 AM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

Nobody is going to ask, "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO MOOT COURT?!?!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15969192)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 2:57 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

If the interviewer did Moot Court and was good at Moot Court, they are more likely to cast a negative light on your resume if you have Moot Court on there but never won anything or had a special position.

"Member of Moot Court Board" is not a benefit at all.

Just leave it off unless you won something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15995720)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:24 PM
Author: fuchsia dog poop

it has the word moot in it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948189)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded codepig clown

lol excellent point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948821)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:58 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

It is pointless unless you win a competition.

Simply being a "member of the Moot Court board/team" isn't that remarkable.

Things of noteworthiness go in this order:

LR

EIC of secondary journal

Moot Court Champion

Mock Trial Champion

member of Moot Court Board

Member of Mock Trial Board

dying in a car fire

SBA President

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948355)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 3:21 PM
Author: Mewling Ivory Deer Antler

I would switch the order of Mock Trial champion and Moot Court Champion, and insert a big empty blank space between them. I know plenty of partners who are impressed by Mock Trial sucess. No one cares about Moot Court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948515)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:02 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded codepig clown

I found that judges were fond of the LR and Moot Court combo. It suggests you're well-rounded. So I wouldn't say moot court is worthless.

That said, moot court is just kind of fun. You get to play appellate lawyer and shit! Good stuff for those of us dorky enough to actually *like* the academic side of law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948801)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM
Author: mischievous cerise faggotry

To be fair,

Lol funzies!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948818)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:05 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded codepig clown

lulz. I'm a dork, man. It's just the way it be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948836)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:11 PM
Author: misunderstood violent scourge upon the earth trailer park

ROFL at somebody on moot court and LR being well-rounded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949379)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:17 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded codepig clown

It suggests that you research and write well (LR), and that you are good on your feet (MC).

Either way, the "well-rounded" observation came from a judge, not me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949418)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:38 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

"Good on your feet"?

You must not have seen too many Moot Court matches.

Most matches are only 15 min long. Not to mention you have 2-5 judges asking you a bunch of sophomoric questions regarding a case you spent MONTHS researching.

If you can't respond coherently with that much prep-time then you are a babbling idiot.

Mock Trial is much much more difficult. you actually have to have some kind of personality IN ADDITION to knowing the FRE like the back of your hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15950887)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:05 PM
Author: dashing narrow-minded codepig clown

I was also a moot court judge, dipshit.

But I agree that Mock Trial is far more difficult. I excelled at MC, but was a babbling idiot at mock trial because my recall of the FRE was just pisspoor.

I don't believe I addressed the value of Mock Trial, standing alone or in relation to moot court, in any of my above posts. But carry on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15970572)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:40 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

Hey dipshit,

You say "moot court judge" as if that counters any point that I made.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15988271)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 5:32 AM
Author: Zombie-like cumskin

if you spent enough time on the FRE as you did on your MC briefs/research, then mock trial would be a lot easier. i did both, moot court was more work but also more fun. better competition locales, interesting legal topics, etc.

i also think people underestimate the importance of MC/MT if you're not looking at biglaw.

overall though, do either because you enjoy doing it. argument is fun, working with your teammates is fun, traveling is fun. it's a lot more enjoyable than locking yourself up in a dungeon and cite-checking or working on a note.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15993679)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 2:58 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15995731)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:56 PM
Author: Alcoholic nofapping tattoo

Most prestigious mock trial competition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15988387)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:03 PM
Author: mischievous cerise faggotry

To be fair,

Let me put it like this: have you ever heard of the "V10"?

...If you don't do moot court, don't worry if you haven't. It's irrelevant to you.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15948811)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:10 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

Lol, you don't need moot court to go to a V10. Plenty of kids, here, at CLS did no specialized moot court, and are getting offers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949378)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:11 PM
Author: mischievous cerise faggotry

To be fair,

Oh good to know, thanks for the correction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949383)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:13 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

To be fair,

You are welcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15949395)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:40 PM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

To Be Fairer,

Who the fuck "specializes" in law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15950897)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:27 PM
Author: trip idea he suggested

durrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15995902)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:47 PM
Author: pink den

Different at H, but for many schools, moot court is pretty competitive and a big deal. LR/Journal + MC/MT are the two credited combos of LS extracirriculars. ITE, not having a journal and MC could be bad. Also, think about the # of people @ your school on both a journal and MC. Probably less than 10%. You stand out amongst peers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15950928)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:47 AM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

Not very many people at my CCN care about doing moot court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15969204)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 9:03 PM
Author: Aquamarine stag film

What part of NOTHING MATTERS BUT SCHOOL AND 1L GRADES YOU DUMB FUCKING FAGGOT do you not understand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15951052)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:53 AM
Author: elite rusted sound barrier

+ 1

No one gives a shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15968960)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:49 AM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

The thread reminds me of this guy:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=128817

"It's like being on a journal--it hurts you if you aren't on it. Employers will see it as a gap on the resume and may ask you why you aren't on moot court. I'd work hard to get on so you won't have the gap on the resume, but after that point I wouldn't kill myself putting a lot of effort into it."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15969209)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:00 PM
Author: Hateful Crotch

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15970530)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:10 PM
Author: lemon party of the first part indirect expression

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15989835)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:49 PM
Author: Harsh puce parlour

secondary journal vs. moot court, which is better?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15970451)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:59 PM
Author: Pontificating old irish cottage pit

Do the secondary journal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15970525)



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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:00 PM
Author: elite rusted sound barrier

Secondary Journal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15970529)



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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:53 AM
Author: Garnet boyish trust fund

Secondary journal, and I enjoyed doing Moot Court.

The only way Moot Court would be higher than secondary journal is if you won a Moot Court Champion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15977175)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:42 PM
Author: elite rusted sound barrier

Pretty much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15988289)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:20 PM
Author: lemon party of the first part indirect expression

Take the secondary journal, especially because moot court might be more work (it was at my school).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15989915)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:26 PM
Author: blue splenetic native cuck

i dunno at my school Moot Court seems like a big deal and secondary journals aren't known as being much help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2#15995892)