WSJ: 29.4% of US households are upper middle class
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Date: June 23rd, 2016 1:53 AM Author: bipolar hunting ground
There is a steep cliff of the haves and have nots in this article.
It sound like half this country is now living in abject poverty.
So, the middle class has been squeezed to the point that there is a steep divide between the 50K family and the 100K family.
We're just fucked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30768911) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2016 2:00 AM Author: bipolar hunting ground
Are you kidding? That's like 6K a month cleared. Not everyone lives in NYC or CA.
You should be $1,400 all in on taxes, insurance, mortgage -- on a $300K house.
Public school is free.
WTF? You need a new Hermes scarf every day or what?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30768947) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2016 9:02 AM Author: Maize Lascivious Site Prole
CR.
A six-figure salary isn't what it used to be. But you can live a very decent life on 100k, banking away cash, and not having to sweat life much.
This is assuming non-LA/NY/SF.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30769659) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2016 1:54 AM Author: Motley house
Balling?
No, they wouldn't.
Step 1: Tell me about their retirement plan.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30768916)
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Date: June 24th, 2016 11:48 PM Author: Motley house
"I'm 25% of the way to vesting in a pension plan."
Yes, some people win the lottery.
Now let's get back to those nurses and truck drivers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30786448) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2016 12:33 AM Author: Coral Exciting Half-breed Theater
The latter almost always has higher costs. Childcare obviously, but also they end up paying a lot more for conveniences.
There's also value to having a parent spend more time with the kids.
Finally, you have two parents each putting in full work weeks for $120k in the latter case, whereas in the former, you have a lot of excess capacity on the part of one spouse to get other things done, and if the non-working spouse decides to work, you will have even higher income.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30760122) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2016 9:08 AM Author: Maize Lascivious Site Prole
CR. I know a lot of teacher-teacher couples. Having put in some years with their respective school districts, their combined income is probably approaching 100k, but they're poor as F. Mainly because they have the childcare haircut.
Additionally, their lives kinda suck because they spend about 1 quality hour a day together as a family.
Totally different situation if you have a breadwinner and a caregiver, where the breadwinner makes 100k.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30769678) |
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Date: June 24th, 2016 11:52 PM Author: Fuchsia aromatic lodge
Echoing others' comments here, it seems almost obvious.
For one thing, strongly disagree that the latter has better benefits. Benefits packages typically include families, and a position paying $120k/yr is more than twice as likely to provide generous benefits than a position paying $60k/yr.
Stability might be higher if someone loses their job. But if someone loses their job, then we're no longer comparing $120k to $120k. We're comparing $40k to $80k (assuming an unemployment payment of 1/3 pay).
The value of housework and logistics is not negligible. Daycare, meal prep, cleaning, etc. all have significant monetary value. Maid service averages $157 nationally. Do that once per week and you're talking about $8,000 a year. Childcare averages $11,666 per year in the U.S. That's already a $20,000 tax-free advantage of $120k over $60k+$60k.
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Date: June 22nd, 2016 12:24 AM Author: multi-colored national security agency
That's a pretty broad definition of UMC.
I would have thought it was more like $200k household income minimum.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30760053) |
Date: June 24th, 2016 1:11 PM Author: deep stubborn internal respiration
"Using Census Bureau data available through 2014, he defines the upper middle class as any household earning $100,000 to $350,000 for a family of three: at least double the U.S. median household income and about five times the poverty level."
Depending on COL, this sounds about right. $100k is downright poverty-line in NYC for a household (though not necessarily for your average singleton living with roommates in Murray Hill), but a family in Kansas City could do well off of that.
I actually think a lot of these people in the $100k-$350k range are in a precarious spot and I don't necessarily agree with the WSJ's conclusion that it's the UMC folks vs. everyone else. There are more UMC-paying jobs, but shit costs more and certain cities are getting much more expensive (and those are the cities with the highest growth rate in UMC jobs, likely).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3262394&forum_id=2#30782258) |
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