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Ashcroft v. Iqbal: let's bash this TTT
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:25 PM Author: thriller self-absorbed marketing idea Shit like this decision will haunt us more than the Japanese internment camps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897753) |
Date: February 4th, 2012 11:25 PM Author: wine pit (1L) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897760) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:26 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897768) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: thriller self-absorbed marketing idea Um obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897777) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station okay well you're an idiot and you're wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897778) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: thriller self-absorbed marketing idea I'm just trying to please slim_shady_man with a law-related thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897797) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:26 PM Author: chrome vibrant roast beef coldplay fan Twombly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897770) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:28 PM Author: arousing lilac temple personal credit line Iqbal applies Twobley's reasoning to non anti-trust contexts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897785) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:43 PM Author: Provocative Clown Trailer Park (dood who got b+ in civpro) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897905) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:28 PM Author: arousing lilac temple personal credit line district judges either put a bunch of stock in it or none at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897779) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:29 PM Author: wine pit this. Its impact has been somewhat blunted by the way some courts actually apply it.
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:55 PM Author: brass senate there's a bunch of empirical papers that have confirmed twombly/iqbal are basically only statistically relevant in discovery-heavy cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19898006) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:28 PM Author: Mind-boggling shrine A steaming pile of shit is what it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897786) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:32 PM Author: arousing lilac temple personal credit line (TTT plaintiff's attorney) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897812) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:34 PM Author: Mind-boggling shrine (fucking idiot knee jerk neocon with no perspective on the civil justice system) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897825) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: Bateful Bearded Ape Multi-billionaire (guy who wants to drive costs up with meritless discovery) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897835) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897851) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:38 PM Author: Mind-boggling shrine Fucking LOL. Show me the "costs of litigation" as % of corp revenues. It's shit. Even if it weren't the cost would be far outweighed by the benefit of a justice system that the citizens could actually avail themselves of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897867) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 10:47 AM Author: amethyst slippery brunch potus wow, dood are you actually arguing that meritless discovery is ok, cause it's always big corps and they can afford it? You're a 2L tops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19899744) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:19 PM Author: Plum adventurous space strike "citizens" and replace with "shithead rent-seeking plaintiffs attorneys" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900949) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: Stimulating autistic native partner So if the compl had said "on oct 19, 2001, Mr Ashcroft approved the imprisonment of Iqbal without a warrant" it would have survived. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897798) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station that would be implausible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897803) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: Mind-boggling shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897843) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station but it really would be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897847) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:38 PM Author: Mind-boggling shrine tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897871) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:52 PM Author: thriller self-absorbed marketing idea I meh'd, but then I lol'd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897978) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:54 PM Author: Lascivious Gay Wizard Gas Station well seriously, the allegation was that ashcroft used 9/11 as an excuse to arrest lots of arabs, rather than that they thought the arabs might be terrorists. that is kind of implausible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19898003) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 12:13 AM Author: thriller self-absorbed marketing idea *strokes chin* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19898149) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 11:03 AM Author: godawful shaky codepig Greetings, LET THE EAGLE SORE |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:46 PM Author: Provocative Clown Trailer Park to be fair, the iqbal and towmbly decisions aren't new and have been around for a long time
we should bash that ttt conley |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:20 PM Author: Plum adventurous space nah this was all caused by that cunt dioguardi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900956) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:46 PM Author: buff center circlehead As courts never took Conley literally anyway, it's a fucking meaningless opinion that only offends Brooklyn Jews who spent 6 months in practice 30 years ago and now scream at 22 year olds that ARE ACTIVIST COURT is taking away ARE PLAINTIFFS FIRMS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19897924) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:20 PM Author: Plum adventurous space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900960) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 10:25 AM Author: Aphrodisiac scourge upon the earth halford Gives me more 12(b)(6) motions to write, and therefore more work to bill. In the end, that's the thing the matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19899677) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 10:30 AM Author: Up-to-no-good Liquid Oxygen Market Win on 12(b)(6) --> no discovery --> less billables. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19899691) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 10:54 AM Author: Aphrodisiac scourge upon the earth halford Just do dismiss without prejudice and refile the complaint, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19899769) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 11:05 AM Author: Fishy motley dilemma shitlib This. It always surprises me that the partner and client think that we need to file a 12(b)(6). We spend all of this money drafting this thing and even if we win the plaintiff refiles in a week with a slightly less shitty complaint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19899812) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:21 PM Author: arousing lilac temple personal credit line could a court ever dismiss with prejudice at that stage? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900972) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: sexy blathering turdskin crotch im not a civil litigator but isnt it supposed to "narrow the issues" or some shit.
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:18 PM Author: rambunctious flirting base background story Clerk on d.ct. and you'll love Twombly/Iqbal. The only criticisms I see are the garden-variety "this will deter justice and let people get away with harming poor people." No, it won't. If you were hurt, plead some specific fucking facts about who/when/where. If you can't even come up with that, then you shouldn't be filing a lawsuit in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900941) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:20 PM Author: Plum adventurous space PWN PWN PWN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900966) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:25 PM Author: fragrant harsh stead Does your judge use Twombly/Iqbal to fuck over Plaintiffs by getting their complaints dismissed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19901010) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:38 PM Author: rambunctious flirting base background story He'd only be fucking them over if he knew their complaints should have passed 12(b)(6) but he dismisses them anyway, or if he somehow *knew* that there was a meritorious claim but he dismissed it anyway. Neither of these ever happened.
Judges don't fuck plaintiffs over with Iqbal/Twombly. Their lawyers fuck them over. And if the second/third/whatever amended complaint still can't come up with a decent story with specifics, then I would never feel bad tossing the suit. |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:42 PM Author: fragrant harsh stead Does your Judge--when reviewing the initial complaint filed through PACER--ever suggest how he is going to decide the case? Like does your judge decide cases on the basis of fairness and justice? Or does he try to stick to the letter of the law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19901151) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: arousing lilac temple personal credit line why the fuck do you constantly ask this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19901162) |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:50 PM Author: rambunctious flirting base background story If we had a conversation about a complaint before an MTD was filed and briefed by both sides, he usually wouldn't suggest how he'd decide unless it was pretty obvious that the complaint should be dismissed.
I think every judge tries to follow the letter of the law. Fairness/justice is very hard to discern in civil litigation because everyone's out to make a buck. In crim cases he'd make the gov't attorneys do their work and wouldn't try to find some excuse to screw over the defendant. He was a somewhat conservative guy but he didn't care if that meant the bad guy goes free--his attitude seemed to be "whatever, another shithead back in the drug trade, just another drop in the bucket." |
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Date: February 5th, 2012 1:21 PM Author: Plum adventurous space BUT BUT BUT i thought conservatives LOVED fishing expeditions! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1865494&forum_id=2#19900970) |