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Date: February 6th, 2012 4:33 AM Author: Offensive concupiscible stage Subject: California Bar Attorney Exam Has anyone taken the California Bar Attorney Exam, the two-day exam. How much time do I need to prepare for it? Any bar review course recommendation? I have the NY bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#19908472) |
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Date: February 6th, 2012 4:43 AM Author: Pink Bespoke Fat Ankles Meetinghouse what's the two-day exam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#19908482) |
Date: February 6th, 2012 4:43 AM Author: pea-brained patrolman dysfunction very ill conceived. you should take the MBE. the written portion in CA is scored harshly. you need a MBE buffer to be safe. only like 30% pass the attorney exam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#19908484) |
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Date: February 6th, 2012 5:38 AM Author: Jet-lagged persian piazza yeah, don't do this. You have to study the MBE topics anyway. Doing average or better on the MBE ensures that you can get a technically failing/barely-passing average on the essays and still pass breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#19908515) |
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Date: February 6th, 2012 10:49 AM Author: Exciting Background Story Circlehead What other state bar did you pass? The most difficult part of California is that it is a 3-day exam (at least for me). So, taking only two days of mind fucking is nice; however, the other peeps on here have a point. The MBE (if you are good at multiple choice) is a great way to provide you with some easy points.
What did you score on the MBE in your previous bar? |
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Date: February 10th, 2012 4:43 AM Author: Offensive concupiscible stage 143 scaled in 2008 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#19936003) |
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Date: November 6th, 2015 1:20 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Any thoughts on this? Reviving a three year old thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29122101) |
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Date: November 6th, 2015 3:37 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church NY/CA bro here. i took the 2 day CA exam, and 100% recommend it if you're a good writer.
i'm good at essay exams -- was top 10% at a t14. i had confidence in my ability to write good essays. i know you can pass if you know the basic concepts and analyze them well and write well. i didn't feel like having to memorize a bunch of exceptions for the MBE.
plus, the performance exam is a fucking joke. it's the closest thing on the bar to an IQ test. if you went to a good law school, you're going to do way above the curve on the performance test.
also, the 2 day exam spread over 3 days is a huge break. i went to my hotel pool on the MBE day and swam and then went to the hotel gym, and laughed as the other dweebs came back at 5pm. plus, you don't have fatigue on thursday. you'll do better than everyone else on thursday with the rest day. i felt much more fresh and less fatigued on thursday than i did during day 2 in ny.
good luck, bro. |
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Date: November 10th, 2015 1:16 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band When'd you take it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29149629) |
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Date: December 20th, 2015 10:03 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Bump...and how'd you study for the atty exam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29419442) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:03 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29430762) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:27 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church 5 years ago.
i studied by just doing every single practice exam one by one (outlining answers, not fully writing them out) and looking up the shit that i didnt know. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:30 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band so im in this predicament right now. 2 months to go before exam.
why'd you feel comfortable taking the atty only exam when the passage rate is ~35%??? im wondering if im making the right decision by only doing essays/MPT.
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:34 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church i was at the top of my class at a top law school and had time to study, so i was confident i'd be in the top 65% among a bunch of morons working shitlaw in AZ and trying to move to CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29430909) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:35 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band you mean top 35%?
any other tips for me other than just working through all available bar exam essays? |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:46 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church yeah oops.
maybe skim the convisor for short term memory cramming the weekend before?
i mean if youre a good exam writer, it just comes down to knowing substantive law on what they most likely test. if you do the practice exams, you'll see a pattern of issues that keep coming up. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:10 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band DO you recall what you need to average on the essays and PT to pass the attorney exam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29431093) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:46 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church no fucking clue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29431201) |
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Date: November 10th, 2015 1:22 AM Author: Outnumbered Aromatic Factory Reset Button WTF there is a 2-day exam option? What kind of faggot millennial shit is this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29149649) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 12:36 AM Author: kink-friendly resort it's for attorneys admitted elsewhere that have already taken and passed the MBE in the last 5 years or something like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29430918) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:30 AM Author: Mustard Rigor Huge mistake to take it. If you get a high MBE you guarantee yourself a pass barring horrendous essays. Essays are always a crapshoot and I feel anyone can get the wrong essays and flunk (lately CA bar has been brutal about testing things not located in any Barbri materials).
The multiple choice is also a welcome mental break from the essay days. By comparison, if the essay stress is a 10, multiple choice may be a 3. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:41 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Take this into account:
1. There are only 65 days to the bar exam 2. I am working full-time 3. I have a somewhat bad memory 4. In my previous bar exam for another state, I scored a 105 scaled MBE and still managed to pass on the strength of my essays and MPT. 5. In the July 2015 CA exam, 44% of first time takers of the attorney exam passed. Compare that with 58% first time passage rate for non-CA ABA approved school grads. So, while lower, the passage rate for the atty exam isnt THAT much worse. Plus, I wonder how many of these atty takers had sufficient time to study.
Thoughts? My thinking is that I will probably not have sufficient time to master the MBE and essays. And the MBE has been notoriously difficult the last few examinations -- or I'm told, at least. Why not gamble on concentrating on just essays/MPT?
What I'm not clear on yet is what average score I need on the essays and MPT? Is it a 60? 62.5? 70? If anywhere around 65 or above, then I may re-think. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:47 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church do you consider yourself a good essay writer / how did you do in law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29431202) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:49 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Yes as to good essay writer. No question about that.
I'm just not sure whether I need to "ace" every essay/MPT to pass the attorney exam. That said, if the passage rate for first-time takers is 44%, then surely the threshold average has to be around 62.5 to 65 (rather than 70+), right? |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:54 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church you obviously dont need to ace the exam. the people taking the atty exam are mostly fucking retard proles from other stares, not ny biglaw laterals.
if you're a good essay writer, you will ace the MPT. the MPT is a fucking joke. it's infinitely easier than anything you've done in law school. the average person taking the bar is some ESL moron who cant even read the cases and understand what they mean. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:52 AM Author: Mustard Rigor I worked biglaw while taking the cali bar exam and had 2 weeks off to study and passed. My friend was given one week off and passed.
My friend and I started about 50 days early but both had 200 hour months heading into the exam. We passed.
The California bar is not a test of memory, it is a test of mental fortitude. The essays test shit that is literally not in barbri. The failers panic and freeze. The passers just write some logical bullshit on the page.
My friend passed literally having not read 4 subjects, and when those subjects came up on the essays he just made up logical shit.
The secret of this exam is that it is more about test taking skills than actual memory retention. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:56 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church i'd agree with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29431241) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:38 PM Author: Pearly Internet-worthy Roommate TITCR. I suspect I could pass a random state bar not knowing anything about the substantive law of that state simply by writing logical but incorrect law down and IRAC'ing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29433981) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 1:46 AM Author: Transparent sickened newt church "Essays are always a crapshoot," lisped every retard in the bottom of his law school class.
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 11:29 AM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Ok. Essays and MPT it is then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29432537) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:00 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29433718) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:04 PM Author: bisexual stag film therapy If you only study for the essays you are not going to study enough of the law and if you get an essay you don't know about you will be fucked.
Not only is the MBE free points assuming you were able to pass previously, studying for the MBE by taking hundreds of practice questions is the best way to relearn the law that you will need to regurgitate on the essays. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:06 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band only ~60 days to the exam though. Doesn't seem like theres enough time to study the MBE, essays, and MPT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29433766) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:08 PM Author: bisexual stag film therapy essay studying takes 3-4 days. If you arent a retard you know how to write an essay. memorizing the law takes the longest amount of time and you do that by taking MBE questions over and over until you know everything more or less.
There is not need to study at all for the MPT. You've done this before, come on.
Dont push this 60 day flame. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:10 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Is Adaptibar a sufficient resource for MBE prep? What'd you use? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29433791) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 3:29 PM Author: bisexual stag film therapy old bar bri books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29433904) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2015 11:53 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29437402) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2015 3:14 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29441012) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2015 4:01 PM Author: insane associate personal credit line Does it cover actual California law, or is it more like pseudo law or theoretical law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29441358) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2015 5:40 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band anyone else want to weigh in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29441989) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2015 6:05 PM Author: insane associate personal credit line I could never get the California codes. They're divided into successive subheadings like Division, Title, Chapter, etc., but they're all in different orders depending on the code. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29442116) |
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Date: December 27th, 2015 10:18 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29464918) |
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Date: January 4th, 2016 7:19 PM Author: Angry bat-shit-crazy elastic band Any other tips? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1866905&forum_id=2#29521122) |