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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:32 AM Author: Up-to-no-good impertinent goal in life When grading timed take home exams do professors take into account the fact that most of the students taking the exam towards the end of the period have cheated (i.e. found out the topic ahead of time)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2627421) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 1:10 AM Author: gay parlour french chef Yes. You lose 5 points for every day you wait after exam period begins to take the exam . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2627709) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:05 AM Author: smoky parlor how do you have a timed take home exam? sorry, i've never heard of this before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628182) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:08 AM Author: Opaque Background Story You pick up the exam and you only have certain amount of time before you can return it to the registrars office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628202) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:19 AM Author: smoky parlor so do you normally have two days? or two hours? or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628279) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:21 AM Author: federal indirect expression 8 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628289) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:48 AM Author: supple offensive spot deer antler take homes in law school are the stupidest thing ever what sort of TTT actually gives them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628403) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:49 AM Author: federal indirect expression They are TTT. I'd rather be done in 3 hours. The better the school, the more of this shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628408) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:54 AM Author: supple offensive spot deer antler at Tulane almost all our tests are closed book, 3 hours long and essays. That and legal writing is graded. I swear had I known that other schools had p/f legal writing and gave take homes and multiple choice finals I would never have gone to my TTT. It isnt fucking right that I have to suffer like this and still have piss poor job prospects. Plus, we are on a 3.0 curve while many/most schools are on a 3.2-3.3. We get shafted in every possible way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628434) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 8:53 AM Author: fighting embarrassed to the bone temple tank if you think takehomes are easier than 3-hour exams, you're wrong. plus, it's irrelevant anyway b/c of the curve. and do you think lawyers can't figure out the differences in curves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628882) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 8:57 AM Author: soul-stirring brunch I do think that mixing up the formats on exams (take home, multiple choice, word limits, and so on) makes the end result a little bit more "fair", in the sense that different people may have different aptitudes for different sorts of exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628887) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:11 PM Author: fighting embarrassed to the bone temple tank that may be true. a school that required every single exam to be a 3-hour issue-spotter would clearly be a little skewed toward one type of test-taker (although arguably the most relevant type for success in the legal profession). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629350) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:24 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch Really? So far I haven't encountered a lot of situations in the real world where a lawyer is told to analyze dozens of different issues in three hours, typing all the responses.
That said, I don't think any exam format can really meet the challenge of being highly relevant to legal practice. Our profession is about research and writing, not taking tests. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:17 PM Author: odious bespoke nibblets location I second that. Actually, what would make it even more "fair" would be a mid-term and a final, each one worth 50% of the grade. Not that I'm actually _advocating_ this course of action, but it would be more fair insofar as you'd get some feedback that you could then use to correct your errors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629362) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:22 PM Author: federal indirect expression Part of life is that there are often no second chances. I think a one-shot deal is most fair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629380) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:28 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch Well, sort of. Lawyers might get only one chance to submit a final brief or draft a final contract for execution. But up to that point, lawyers will typically go through many iterations, usually with a lot of feedback from other lawyers.
But as I note above, expecting any exam system to reflect real life is a bit much. But in terms just of reducing measurment error, it is always a good idea to have more than one exam. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:31 PM Author: pearly hairless theater stage mood The final could be based on appealing the decision made based on the model answer of the midterm.
That being said, you're right. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:23 PM Author: sooty bateful business firm Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Chicago ... but not Tulane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629385) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 8:41 AM Author: soul-stirring brunch At Chicago, you get eight hours. But you have a brief window in which you can pick up the exam (basically one hour), so even if you cheated like the OP suggested, you would only get a little extra thinking time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2628879) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:29 PM Author: Vibrant native Some schools have multiple pick-up dates for exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629410) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:31 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch If I understand correctly, that would indeed create an opportunity for cheating, and if I was running a law school I might not want to present such a temptation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629416) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:32 PM Author: Vibrant native Yeah, it's pretty stupid. I'm actually guessing these "floating" exams are the result of scheduling problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629417) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:35 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting Not really. Our crim exam is available to be taken anytime from 4/22 to 5/5, and he could have just made it for the day on which we would have been scheduled to have the in-class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629428) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:37 PM Author: Vibrant native I've never seen a period this big. Is the exam one day? That's pretty crazy.
So who are you getting your "preliminary" copy of the exam from? |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:39 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting I can't even imagine having a nutsack big enough to ask someone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629439) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:42 PM Author: Vibrant native Marry the smart girl that sits next to you in criminal law. There's still time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629445) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:50 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting I'd make a crack now about not knowing where I sit in crim, but my prof. claims he's going to adjust grades for class participation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629487) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:36 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch And for all I know the incidence of this sort of cheating is very low, and not very dangerous anyway. In fact, my guess would be that the really dangerous form of cheating would be getting someone else to take the exam for you, and that can't be avoided with any sort of take home system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629431) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:38 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting Yeah, as (the 1L exams at least) are graded on a strict curve, you'd have to really like the person you were giving the exam to early to a) take the risk of getting caught, and b) giving them an edge. Seems like married students would be the most likely culprits. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:42 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch I think you could get a net benefit by having a multi-class arrangement, switching off who went first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629444) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:43 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting Yes, assuming there were more than one. We have but one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629451) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:44 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch That would in fact be a problem.
So, how about cash? |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:46 PM Author: Vibrant native And the Chicago in you emerges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629472) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:47 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch It is always lurking just below the surface. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629478) |
Date: April 25th, 2005 12:29 PM Author: Vibrant native Take-home exams probably favor the people who have a deeper understanding, since in-class exams are rushed and usually contain more superficial analyses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629407) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:34 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch That's the theory, although obviously that depends on how the professor writes and grades the exam--I get the sense that some take-homes basically operate just like typical in-class exams, except with more time.
But at the very least, it should make typing speed less relevant. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:42 PM Author: lavender sex offender why should typinf speed bee irrelevnat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629448) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:43 PM Author: Vibrant native There are usually word limits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629456) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:44 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting I haven't had a word limit on an in-class exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629462) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:45 PM Author: Vibrant native Oh, we're talking about take-homes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629465) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:46 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting Yes, Sexpert was saying that a take home exam makes typing speed irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629476) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:48 PM Author: Vibrant native He said typing speed becomes less relevant, but I'm not sure I'm following you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629482) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:48 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting I think the funny bad typing guy is the root of the confusion. Doesn't matter. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:51 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch I completely missed the joke the first time around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629493) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:49 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch Strictly speaking, "less relevant"--because I think being a faster typist could help even on take home exams by giving you more time for breaks, reflection, and revision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629485) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:50 PM Author: Blue Famous Landscape Painting Ah, reflection. I've been refelecting on the paragraph I've written for the take-home part of my Torts exam for a good day and a half, now. |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:52 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch I find that I do my best reflection when sleeping off a bender. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629499) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:46 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch Exactly. And even if there isn't a formal limit, with a well-designed take home exam you might actually run out of helpful things to say--something that rarely happens to slow typists during an inclass exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629470) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:53 PM Author: lavender sex offender My goal is to type 90 words per minute by September.
Should allow me to say twice as much during in-class exams. Yippee! |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 12:57 PM Author: soul-stirring brunch It will serve you well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629516) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:01 PM Author: costumed fantasy-prone antidepressant drug queen of the night the real benefit comes from typing quickly in class. if you can get everything the prof says down you can more or less mold his/her comments to the question. take homes allow you to cut and paste exact wording from your notes. they don't want to hear what you have to say, they want to hear you saying what they think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629761) |
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Date: April 25th, 2005 2:28 PM Author: Dashing doctorate Subject: Northwestern Self Schedle Exams All exams, ignoring the core 1L classes, are self scheduled. You pick it up, take it, and return it to the registrar...VERY nice... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=171129&forum_id=2#2629870) |