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Reminder: the stock market has doubled since Trump term 1
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:53 AM Author: Sepia nibblets Let that sink in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833653) |
Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:55 AM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant And purchasing power of $1 has halved.
At least we haven’t gotten poorer 🇺🇸 |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:22 AM Author: red useless police squad (guy who surfs everyday in front of multi million dollar Hawaiian homes worried about getting poor) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833665) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:38 AM Author: Sepia nibblets The sad part about EPAH and a lot of wealthy libs who live in suburban enclaves where nothing badly ever happens is that they actually identify with the plight of regular people. EPAH actually believes he cares more about Joe the Plumber than Trump does. Say what you want about Trump but he knows how to connect with mainstreet. Dems have had zero clue how to relate to the working class in over ten years. So it's just ironic that he thinks he's this man of the people when he would come across as so awkward around Joe America. Hello, fellow goys! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833668) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:11 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary You're accusing someone else of not being able to relate to regular people while you're out here talking about the sToCk MaRkEt as if that's somehow a measure of a leader's success...? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833676) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:32 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Interesting reporting in the Wall Street Journal lately about how we're in an era now where so many retail investors have investments in the stock market that it actually is a reflection of how much wealth people actually have. We've never seen more people put money in the market than there is right now. It's not like previous eras where it only effected the mega rich. Today millions of regular people are effected by it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834238) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:06 PM Author: pontificating set >It's not like previous eras where it only effected the mega rich. Today millions of regular people are effected by it.
The stock market did create some of the mega rich, though not all of them. And it's true that millions of children are being made every day, but I wouldn't attribute all of it to growth in the stock market. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:53 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary The median American household has $8,000. Not just investments but total money saved. Even if some of it is invested in the stock market, fluctuations in the market don't impact most people's ability to afford their lives at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835535) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:11 PM Author: Sepia nibblets This is probably true but once you move up into the top 50% increasingly it does effect people. Even if only the top 30% of Americans had sizeable investments, that's 100 million people. And it's probably bigger than that. The thing about it is once you start looking at the various tranches in society, the bottom 50% of Americans only own 2% of the wealth or whatever. That's very bad. But still more people than ever are relying on stocks to build wealth. It's the only way out of poverty for most. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835638) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:17 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary The point is that the people who are benefiting from the Jewish numbers going up on the screen are ALREADY DOING FINE.
Take the top 30% number you mentioned. That's the approximate proportion of Americans who are NOT living paycheck to paycheck. (The $8,000 figure is for households rather than individuals, so those two statistics are easy to square; it doesn't mean that the median individual is living paycheck to paycheck and also had $8,000 at the time they were surveyed.) Stock market gains are not helping the 2/3 of Americans who are barely getting by. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:59 PM Author: Sepia nibblets It's true more should be done for the masses. But the MC is doing not that bad plus most of them own real estate, and the UMC is doing REALLY great and living lifestyles close to actual rich people 20 years ago. That being said the total # of people who can access the middle class has never been larger. And MC is more of a flavor of rich than it is the middle. It's tough to say what the bottom 50% of people will do, but at least they can afford Netflix or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835825) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:47 AM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap you were a huge proponent of the tariffs and wrote many screeds about how if they cause a stock market decline that would be a good thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834061) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:30 PM Author: Sepia nibblets I was mostly attacking people who had spent the past decade saying we needed a full scale revolutionary change in order to restore the working class and the second it effected their portfolio we're screaming it's end of the world. Here's to you, richard clock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834233) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:41 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap my point is that you supported trump policy that would hurt the stock market but now you're using the stock market being at ATHs to praise trump. these positions are contradictory. if trump got his way and we had massive tariffs and a restructuring of the american business landscape, causing a huge decline in the stock market, you'd praise trump. but he didn't get his way and the stock market is at ATHs, but you're praising him for that too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834250) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:45 PM Author: Sepia nibblets I didn't praise Trump? When did I praise Trump? If anything the stock market is up so much because people realized it's the only sensible place to put your money. I don't attribute everything in life good or bad to Trump. I'm pointing out a fact that the market has doubled. It may not have anything to do with him at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834256) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:02 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap how can you say this thread has nothing to do with trump when he's in the title? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834300) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:25 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Since Trump term 1 is a measurement of time friend. It's like how a light year measures distance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834338) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:35 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap "light years" implies that the measurement is related to light. which it is. likewise, the title implies the stock markets performance is related to trump. for some reason you're claiming it's not, i assume because you can't reconcicle the contradiction i pointed out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834355) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:38 PM Author: Sepia nibblets I learned this factoid from an old clip of Warren Buffet. As many have pointed out it grew more during the Biden years. It may have to do with Trump but it would take a lot of research to really tie it to him personally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834361) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:10 PM Author: Blue parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835634) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:48 AM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap only the "we" that had assets. the paycheck to paycheck wageearners, not so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834066) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:40 PM Author: Exhilarant public bath half-breed weird. I distinctly remember libs from 2021-2024 telling us daily that inflation was "transitory" or that our eyes were lying to us and it was actually only like 2% based on the experts' analysis and we were just too dumb and prole to understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834248) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:02 PM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant You are in fact too dumb and prole to understand, my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834619) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:52 PM Author: Exhilarant public bath half-breed you sue gas stations for a living and force yourself to talk with a fucking lisp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834745) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:17 PM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant You're just further demonstrating your dumbness bro. Do you even follow xo storylines? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834804) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:21 PM Author: Exhilarant public bath half-breed no i don't give a shit about your retarded fake job other than making fun of you for not having a real one. i also assumed you abusing your own children was just a meme until apparently it wasn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835243) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:07 AM Author: amber garrison rigpig wow was biden trumps cousin? pretty sure it went up more under biden/kamala than trump 1, and trump 2 whatever "gains" of like 4% this year? has been from a total basketcase market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833660) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:39 AM Author: Sepia nibblets I didn't get in til after the crash so it's up 25% from my perspective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833670) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:46 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary What do you think the stock market tracks?
Certainly not the material conditions of working Americans. If it were a choice, I'd much prefer a worse stock market and more affordable life. People voted for him to make their lives more affordable, not to make the number go up on the screen for the people with enough money to invest. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:17 AM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop High stock market is 180 for allowing middle class Losers to retire which makes life more affordable bc the labor supply drops and wages increase imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833731) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:23 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary 2/3 of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. What middle class?
I hope you're right but I think jobs are decreasing fast enough to more than cancel out Boomers retiring. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:04 AM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop Middle class just means top 10 or 15% excluding top 0.5%.
If you want a proportionally larger middle class then cut it out with the immigrants
Btw only like 5% of Tall Guys over 30 live paycheck to paycheck in OECD countries |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:46 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary I'll accept your definition. Yeah, regardless of market manipulation, I doubt those people will retire fast enough to make things not suck for the majority of Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834060) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:50 AM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop Have you seen the phenotypes out there? People aren’t Text and Words. They flesh and blood and many have phenotypes so bad that you yourself wouldn’t waste provisioning on them if you saw them. Do you have any idea how Short most of these immigrants you love so much are? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834075) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:54 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary I support a high standard of living for even the most disastrous phenotypes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834083) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:36 PM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop Good job then they just multiply to epic proportions, billions of Indians and Africans, good job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834243) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:26 PM Author: Sepia nibblets This is the most unapologetic endorsement of bioleninism yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834340) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:35 PM Author: sable newt that's the most batshit insane political position i have ever seen put into writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835265) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:41 AM Author: amber garrison rigpig 90% of stocks are owned by like 10% of the pop u furking moron, mid class ppl have NO stocks, if they do its like 5000 in a 401k, they arent gonna retire early cause it went up an extra 5% NIGGA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834049) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:45 AM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop Middle class is top 10% excluding the rich. That’s what “shrinking middle class” means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834054) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:38 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Cr. The economy is 1% UHNW, 2-10% UMC which is most people on this bort, then the Next 40%, and then 50% of Americans are some version of poor.
Those in the 50-90% bracket are relatively poorer than the previous generation. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:01 PM Author: Cordovan comical parlor gaming laptop No they’re not bc the previous gen is Gen X. You had to work like 80 hours at a gas station to buy a PS2 in 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834616) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:52 AM Author: Appetizing dark stead It's just a bunch of jewish numbers on a screen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834077) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:53 AM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap the less a company pays it's workers the more profitable it is and the more it's worth.
if our wealth and income disparity increased even further, with all the wealth held by the 1%, and the remainder living and working like slaves, the stock market and gdp would be even higher. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:39 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary Good point. As we continue to descend into corporate oligarchy, stock market success may actually be INVERSELY related to everyday people's chance of financial success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835465) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:57 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Cr. Automation of everything is the future. It turns out nearly everything is better without humans involved. Waymos will grow in popularity as most people would prefer not to talk to some Persian cab driver. Most tech companies can function with fewer and fewer employees the more AI can do coding good. At any rate this is the inevitable progress of technology. These things happen. The printing press, the steam engine. Technology comes along and life changes for humans. Nearly every CEO involved in AI has said that there won't be any jobs in the future unless you're a genius creative or you turn wrenches. This is just the most likely outcome of the future. And we have to find a way to deal with it. People who own large positions in tech companies are going to live ostentatious lives of opulent wealth while most people will be begging the government for assistance and there's nothing Trump or the next President or the President after that can really do about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835554) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:05 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary LOL yeah there's nothing any president could POSSIBLY do to make life more affordable or stop the massive accumulation of wealth by a few elites who are not paying back into the system! Can't think of a single possible way to address any of these problems with legislation! Guess we'll have to keep voting for presidents based on wokeness and tweets because the idea of a president improving conditions for working people is just totally inconceivable... nay, impossible under the Constitution! Totally reasonable conclusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835608) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:07 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Ok I will voat for whoever you're for. When there's a transformational candidate lmk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835618) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:09 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary Cr. Please don't settle for candidates who tell you there's nothing that can be done to make our lives easier. You're too smart to fall for Epstein class propaganda (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835626) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:12 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Cr I'm just smart enough to fall for candidates who said they would do something about it then didn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835642) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:22 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary It's OK, a lot of you guys did. You were so focused on how annoying shitlibs are that you believed an obviously retarded pedophile conman who barely bothered to hide the fact that he was in this for personal gain and to cut taxes for his obscenely rich buddies, just because he agreed with you that woke is bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835688) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 9:01 PM Author: Sepia nibblets cr analsis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835828) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:34 PM Author: Sepia nibblets I agree with this in principle and it's why I voted for him too. That being said there is no evidence of a working class renaissance even being possible but more working class people than ever have their money in stocks now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834241) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:13 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap people put money in stocks because traditional investments have such low returns they barely keep up with inflation. the system essentially forces people to blindly store their wealth in companies. this is a huge wealth transfer from the working class back to GC. filtered through various middlemen that are best positioned to sell quickly to avoid taking the brunt of a market collapse, and will be bailed out if they ever do somehow take major losses, which has happened twice over the past 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834321) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:28 PM Author: Sepia nibblets This may be true but working class people are getting rich off stonks now too. You can even own a piece of Robinhood if you want to benefit from the success of the middlemen! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834342) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:44 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap wealth disparity has accelerated since the stock market became the de facto investment option for everyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834373) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:47 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Ljl typical low IQ lib argument from someone who will never be happy until Communism makes everyone equally poor.
"You would rather the poor be poorer if the gap between the rich and poor were closer." - Margaret Thatcher |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:54 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap that's not what i believe and you know that. and what i believe has no impact on the facts anyway. you're just resorting to completely untrue adhoms because you're frustrated.
if my argument is low iq you could explain why. but you can't explain how this system is good for the working class when their conditions have gotten worse under it. so you're just reacting in tdnw "UR WRONG AND STUPID COMMIE" fashion. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:59 PM Author: Sepia nibblets Working class has been on a downward trajectory since 1996 with a little blip during Covid where it shot up for like two years. Working class also more resilient to changes from AI and won't get wiped out as much.
What do you want me to say? Things aren't great for the working class. No one has been able to solve this with a magic bullet. It's been cheaper to shear a sheap in New Zealand and transport it on a boat to the UK than it is to shear a sheep in Scotland and sell wool locally since like 1980.
You know full well that has nothing to do with Trump. Warren Buffet said the one industry he never made a dime on was textiles. There are no blue jeans made on US soil (not counting some boutique guy in his house). There's no longer any denim material made in the US. Some things simply change over time in a global economy and you can't go back, you can't just triple down on a fantasy that entire sectors of the economy are gone. Studebaker is not coming back. People in Bangladesh make fast fashion garments for subpennies per hour. How is any of this going to change or go back to the old ways? How is it Trump's fault? |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:08 PM Author: concupiscible site mad-dog skullcap https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&mc=41&forum_id=2#49834321
i didnt say anything about trump. and i cited bailouts going back to ite, so i have no clue why you'd interpret what i said as being about trump. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 7:47 PM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary Lol. What did you mean to say with this thread? It seems like you're trying to paint this as a W for Trump.
The median American household has $8,000 total. Not just investments but total NW. Most people's financial situations are virtually unaffected by the stock market. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:06 AM Author: snowy curious orchestra pit we've never had it so good. a true golden age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833673) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:08 AM Author: Crystalline vengeful personal credit line sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49833674) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:32 PM Author: medicated scarlet cumskin community account Greed is good, and no one greedier than DJT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834236) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:16 PM Author: Puce hunting ground 14x since Obama’s first term (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834450) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:36 PM Author: Flesh big field fanboi (guy looking at essentially any 10-year period in the last 100 years)
e.g., for the S&P 500 1940: 10 1950: 20 _____________ 1955: 40 1965: 90 _____________ 1990: 330 2000: 1400 _____________ 2004: 1100 2014: 2000 (i.e., going through ITE) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:58 PM Author: Flesh big field fanboi Also--In those previous periods, the stock market 2x'ing correlated to America producing 2x as many cars or 2x as much beef or what have you. Now, it's only going up because of the money printer and various fraudlies activities.
See, e.g., https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO Industrial production climbed consistently from 1933-2007 and has been essentially flat since then, minus blips for ITE and Covid. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:44 PM Author: Histrionic overrated doctorate dog poop I'm so glad we as Americans focus on the top 10% and the normal Americans. No wonder America is a such a great society that we all love and care for each other here but only minor disagreements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834554) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:09 PM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant Interesting. It rose at an average of 7.9% over Drumpf's five years, and an average of 9.1% over Sleepy Joe's four years.
Sounds like we'd have been better off if Sleepy Joe had been POTUS the whole time. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:47 PM Author: Sepia nibblets If Sleepy Joe hadn't dropped out he would have won. One wrong move. He should have fought harder for my stonks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834736) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:54 PM Author: Exhilarant public bath half-breed you mutilated your own children and you act like your opinion on any topic matters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834751) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:17 PM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant This guy ^^ really adores and respects Mr. Trump, lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834807) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:20 PM Author: racy rusted twinkling uncleanness locus He’s a retarded jew believe it or not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834814) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:23 PM Author: Hilarious provocative stage immigrant He is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834819) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:24 PM Author: Buck-toothed Clear Sneaky Criminal Lodge (Jewish blackpiller) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834820) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:23 PM Author: amber garrison rigpig stock market and economy overall has always done better under dems, u can go back 50 years and check. its stupid amerishits are too dumb to understand this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49834818) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 8:06 PM Author: Aromatic shivering native Trump blames Dems (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859331&forum_id=2#49835612) |