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What is the WORST case scenario of no 1L summer job?
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:40 PM Author: elite point Will I be unable to get not only BIGLAW, but government jobs as well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334551) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:46 PM Author: Coral coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334640) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:48 PM Author: slap-happy disrespectful plaza when do you mention hating niggers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334666) |
Date: March 8th, 2010 6:50 PM Author: sepia harsh locus Assistant Manager of a Banana Republic. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334686) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: beady-eyed dog poop brunch that is way too prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334812) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: slap-happy disrespectful plaza i actually thought about your moniker today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334845) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: elite point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334798) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: maroon hell coffee pot I didn't even try to get a job 1L summer, went traveling instead. I got BIGLAW and turned down Gov. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334807) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: elite point You got BIGLAW/Gov. through OCI or connections? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334822) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:02 PM Author: maroon hell coffee pot OCI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334871) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: elite point Did they ask about that resume hole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334928) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: maroon hell coffee pot Nope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334938) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio did you try to be an RA? did you try multiple DAs/PDs? Unpaid shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334823) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: elite point Still trying...
I'm competing with 2Ls for fucking RA positions. It's absurd. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio school range? grades? cock size? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334859) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: elite point T14, Bottom 1/2 (but below Bottom 1/3), "Average" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334937) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:08 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio If you're not spending at least some of your time targeting unpaid internships, you really should be. Before people get desperate and snap all of those up, too. Does the DA or PD office appeal to you at all, or no? Focusing heavily on big firm jobs is a major waste of your time at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334960) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:11 PM Author: elite point Anything appeals to me at the moment. I stopped applying to big firm jobs months ago, once my grades came out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334997) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:13 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio Can you afford to work for free? Maybe at home or something? If so, that is where I would focus the majority of my efforts at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335020) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:15 PM Author: elite point I cannot really afford to, but will have to make do with it. Tips on cold-calling government offices and small firms/solos? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335049) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio I am not a master man at this, someone else could probably give you better advice (I do not recommend career services).
Doing this either in your hometown or law school town is probably the best way to make it as painless as possible.
I would imagine most DA's offices would have information on their website for any summer programs they might have. In general, I recommend being as persistent as shit, calling and asking who's in charge of such decisions as often as it takes to talk to that person. Any unsolicited resumes you fax will get throw directly in the trash by a secretary. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:25 PM Author: elite point Ty. I will hit the phones. So I just ask the secretary, or whoever picks up the phone to let me talk to whoever is in charge until I get someone who can say something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335182) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio Just tell her what it is you're looking to do (provide free labor), and that you'd like to send a resume/cover letter and come to speak with the attorney. If they have a place for you (basically, if they aren't already letting their friend's kid do the same thing), you'll get called for an interview. If not, no one will ever call you back. Repeat with every lawyer in town. But don't stop calling until you get a "no". They've got a lot more important things to spend their time on than you. If you offer free labor to enough doods, you will get an interview/hired. Lawyerdoods from your UG/LS should be your first contacts.
gl |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:38 PM Author: elite point Ty friend. You have really been a great source of encouragement in this thread, and I will not forget your kindness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335397) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:40 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio yw. let me know how it turns out.
*goes back to posting non-punctuated whokebe threads* |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:02 PM Author: Cracking Lake Partner pssst - make something up. you think your employers are going to call your 1L job to make sure? they don't really give a fuck. you just have to be able to talk about it for a minute in an interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334873) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: elite point 120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14334940) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:40 PM Author: Cracking Lake Partner harsh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335427) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:08 PM Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Base Doesn't your school have a bunch of TTT externships/clinics/RA positions? They create volunteer positions out of thin air.
Why are you so inept? |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:12 PM Author: elite point Those are really competitive this year! I've gotten to the final round of interviews for several of these and then not gotten them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335004) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:13 PM Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Base YOUR FUCKED
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:18 PM Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Base SUMMER SCHOOL!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335090) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:19 PM Author: elite point I might do this if it raises my GPA for OCI. I am not sure summer school grades would come out in time for OCI, though, or if they would even count for OCI GPA (my school doesn't have a summer program).
I REALLY cannot afford to pay summer tuition, but the alternative might be being fucked for 2L summer and after graduation. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:20 PM Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Base drop out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335122) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: elite point I have literally no other career prospects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335156) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:26 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio you overestimate the importance of your 1L summer gig to 2L hiring. Just have something on there to talk about in interviews. Doesn't matter what. That said, summer school is probably no better than a blank space. Do you know any 2Ls who can give you some suggestions, put in a good word wherever they spent 1L summer, etc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335200) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:30 PM Author: elite point I know that I just need *something legal.* The problem is that I've had 0 offers of any kind so far. Your suggestions have been awesome, I will do them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335275) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:32 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma Also, keep in mind that you still have time to find a job... summer is still afew months away.
be aggressive... work hard. look everywhere.
PD offices and DA offices are a good place to start are you in NY by any chance? I may have an idea or 2 if you are... |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: elite point I'm not in NYC nor am I from there, but I'd be willing to move there for a job if I can't find anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335341) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma EDIT: to do what I have in mind, you would need to be able to swing by a certain DA office. never mind.
pay might not be an issue for you, in fairness. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:38 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio lol this post would break my heart if I were currently in this situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335392) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:40 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma heh. ok. well, my suggestion was the Queen's DA's office Domestic Violence unit. They let students prosecute cases and they have a TON of work. They let you do the whole thing from intake to standing up in court.
It is awesome. And the guy in charge of it is a great guy. The process is as simple as talking to him about it.
It is just difficult to set this up remotely... |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma 1) go to your professors. explain your situation. ask for help. many may be willing to talk to you about exploring options.
2) try to use student group connections. Fed Soc is great for this.
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: elite point My current professors? I only got a good grade in one fall class, and that professor is not exactly the most communicative.
I haven't gotten to any of the Fed Soc meetings, though I paid the member dues. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:25 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma Go to fed soc... they have alums that may be willing to help.. maybe.
As for the professors.. don't worry about the grades. you need help. they are supposed to try to provide help. go talk to them. you may be surprised.
In any case, what do you have to lose? certainly not a job... |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:25 PM Author: elite point Ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335191) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:37 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio Did you have any professors who did like/ talk to you, grade notwithstanding? If you don't have some kind of relationship with any of your profs, now would an excellent time to start. Irrelevant that your current profs have not given you a grade yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335373) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma To answer the question: the worst case scenario is that you graduate with no legal job. But don't worry, there are lots of people in your position... many/most of them had 1L summer jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335167) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: elite point If I graduate with no legal job, can I still get a government job after I pass the bar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335180) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:28 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma highly unlikely
the honors programs don't allow non-third year student applicants and they are looking for experienced attorneys for other positions. This is especially true now... these positions are flooded with applicants right now.... but try USAJOBS and see what you can find (fed gov job posting site.. includes lawyer positions)
EDIT: just to be clear... with the right experience you could apply for a gov job later.
I would take a step back and figure out what cases you can make for which career paths. Have you taken crim classes? labor classes?
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: elite point It's tough to talk about career paths without outing myself. I'm taking only one elective in a specialized field this semester, and I like it. But one of my rejections after interview was for a fellowship in this field, which really stung. I thought my interview had gone pretty well, and I genuinely do like the subject matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335370) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:39 PM Author: Azure deranged digit ratio don't self-sabotage, dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244994&forum_id=2#14335416) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:41 PM Author: Carmine Resort Friendly Grandma ok... well then sell it the other way.... during interviews say you are hoping to learn more about xyz.
then go for ANY opening you can find... make sure you read up on the field before the interview a bit so you are not totally clueless. I see Senator has been helping you out, so maybe he already said that. |