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How is eating out such a ripoff in this country? Is it salvageable?

It’s just stupid money. In most foreign countries you ...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
It's ridiculous and I no longer even enjoy it at all, really...
Narrow-minded submissive lodge
  05/12/25
Yep. It’s not enjoyable when they are robbing you blin...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
is $15 a lot of money to you?
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/12/25
It’s a lot for a quarter pounder meal you fucking reta...
Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage
  05/13/25
sorry you’re a poor
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/13/25
wasting $ on dumb prole shit is what actual poor people do. ...
Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage
  05/13/25
rich people don’t bitch about $15
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/13/25
The quality of most “takeout” is fucking laughab...
multi-colored tantric sex offender alpha
  05/12/25
I blame the delivery apps for that. They know they can get a...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
wtf is cold steam?
transparent marvelous area rigpig
  05/12/25
the wait staff don't even try to be friendly anymore ime, no...
Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder
  05/12/25
Haha yeah. The level of contempt from the losers of striveri...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
we're turning into Europe with worse phenotypes. Ruin lies a...
Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder
  05/12/25
Ahead?
Exciting Glassy Milk Sanctuary
  05/12/25
...
Paralegal Mohammad
  09/30/25
I haven't noticed a difference. This may just be because you...
stirring faggot firefighter pisswyrm
  05/12/25
https://www.chilis.com/menu#3-for-me HTH
Exciting Glassy Milk Sanctuary
  05/12/25
we turned it into almost a necessity, huge chunks of the pub...
sticky friendly grandma
  05/12/25
If people don’t cook wouldn’t there be more rest...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
there are more, way more, like a thousand percent increase s...
sticky friendly grandma
  05/12/25
Then why aren’t they cheaper. This idea that demand ha...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
it has, ubereats and doordash are entire segments of the eco...
sticky friendly grandma
  05/12/25
cooking is for families. hardly makes sense for singles and ...
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/12/25
that's bullshit.
Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder
  05/12/25
price your time properly and I assure you it’s not
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/12/25
This assumes that restaurants are convenient and they are no...
Aphrodisiac sinister mood
  05/12/25
it isn't about time, you have plenty of free time in the eve...
sticky friendly grandma
  05/12/25
“it isn’t about the one thing you will never get...
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/12/25
sitting on your ass waiting for cold slop to be delivered is...
sticky friendly grandma
  05/12/25
that's why you shove some slop down your throat during your ...
abnormal irradiated party of the first part partner
  05/13/25
You are an actual retard
Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage
  05/12/25
What better thing do you have to do with your time
violent school cafeteria macaca
  05/12/25
lol
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/12/25
Seriously, who cares
violent school cafeteria macaca
  05/12/25
high grocery prices are making eating out more reasonable th...
Fragrant Public Bath
  05/12/25
i feel like this is why 'food trucks' run by guatemalans in ...
rusted floppy plaza national security agency
  05/12/25
In SoCal a burrito off one of those trucks is $15. They are ...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
...
Narrow-minded submissive lodge
  05/12/25
mostly because of whiny, cheap shitlib jews like you
excitant chrome space
  05/12/25
Eating out is too much of a hassle. My four kids make it a c...
Aphrodisiac sinister mood
  05/12/25
serious alcoholics stop enjoying bars or even drinking altog...
Fragrant Public Bath
  05/12/25
Are you implying that I am a food addict and I have lost my ...
Aphrodisiac sinister mood
  05/12/25
one can take a single look at you and see you have plenty of...
violent school cafeteria macaca
  05/12/25
real estate.
Unholy Underhanded Casino Giraffe
  05/12/25
Jews
Razzle-dazzle haunting hell
  05/12/25
...
Emerald azn
  05/12/25
QE. COL will continue to skyrocket i seriously have no...
Emerald azn
  05/12/25
much of it is likely because you have don't put enough thoug...
Khaki dilemma
  05/12/25
yeah thats what it is if only we clipped coupons more aggres...
Emerald azn
  05/12/25
no not that. if you just pick good restaurants the eating ou...
Khaki dilemma
  05/12/25
okay but none of that touches on the fact that shit is a lot...
Emerald azn
  05/12/25
agree that it costs $25 for a sandwich these days. which pis...
Khaki dilemma
  05/12/25
ai programming robocops who would literally kill us
Unholy Underhanded Casino Giraffe
  05/12/25
Labor costs are to blame for much of this. They be rising. ...
Heady Menage
  05/12/25
We need to immediately ban these Jewish middlemen delivery c...
bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef
  05/12/25
You’re retarded. I’ve been to Italy, Greece, and...
contagious sweet tailpipe church building
  05/12/25
Where are you eating in Italy that is very expensive? You ca...
puce arousing state athletic conference
  05/13/25
He is actually correct. Those aperol+snack in milan are duri...
Crawly nursing home round eye
  05/13/25
lol stupid flame
Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life
  05/13/25
Are you joking, this is the dumbest post ITT. Europe is laug...
Soul-stirring twisted jew windowlicker
  05/13/25
That's why people go to allinclusives in turkey, dubai, etc ...
Crawly nursing home round eye
  05/13/25
inflationpwned kike slop plus expected tip for parasite serv...
Ebony Deer Antler
  05/13/25
you have to go out in an exurb or rural area Go out in do...
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  05/13/25


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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

It’s just stupid money. In most foreign countries you can eat much better for a fraction of the cost. Here even fast food is pushing $15/meal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925152)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:06 PM
Author: Narrow-minded submissive lodge

It's ridiculous and I no longer even enjoy it at all, really.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925154)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:08 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

Yep. It’s not enjoyable when they are robbing you blind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925161)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:07 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

is $15 a lot of money to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925156)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:27 AM
Author: Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage

It’s a lot for a quarter pounder meal you fucking retard. How much money you have is irrelevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926343)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 11:51 AM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

sorry you’re a poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926820)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage

wasting $ on dumb prole shit is what actual poor people do. sorry you're a poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926826)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

rich people don’t bitch about $15

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48927099)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: multi-colored tantric sex offender alpha

The quality of most “takeout” is fucking laughable in 2025. Amazing nosedive in the last 10 and even 5 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925164)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:14 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

I blame the delivery apps for that. They know they can get away with shit if people are willing to pay premiums for cold steamy food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925178)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 9:40 PM
Author: transparent marvelous area rigpig

wtf is cold steam?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925570)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:10 PM
Author: Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder

the wait staff don't even try to be friendly anymore ime, not that I blame them. but kinda weird to go out to eat and the service is like "this fuckin' guy 🙄"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925166)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:13 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

Haha yeah. The level of contempt from the losers of striverism towards those they perceive to have maed it in 2025 is through the roof. Nowhere is this misplaced bitterness more evident than in the service industry. It’s like they fucking hate you for them having to work lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925176)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
Author: Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder

we're turning into Europe with worse phenotypes. Ruin lies ahead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925179)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: Exciting Glassy Milk Sanctuary

Ahead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925182)



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Date: September 30th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Paralegal Mohammad (Death, death to the IDF!)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#49315542)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: stirring faggot firefighter pisswyrm

I haven't noticed a difference. This may just be because you moved to Scumfuck rural CT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925297)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: Exciting Glassy Milk Sanctuary

https://www.chilis.com/menu#3-for-me

HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925169)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: sticky friendly grandma

we turned it into almost a necessity, huge chunks of the public simply can't or won't cook so they will spend whatever is asked of them, America is an evil place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925172)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

If people don’t cook wouldn’t there be more restaurants to address the demand? I feel like there is something more nefarious going on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925210)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: sticky friendly grandma

there are more, way more, like a thousand percent increase since the 90's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925229)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

Then why aren’t they cheaper. This idea that demand has exploded to the degree you are suggesting just doesn’t seem believable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925251)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: sticky friendly grandma

it has, ubereats and doordash are entire segments of the economy that just didn't exist AT ALL a few years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925278)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

cooking is for families. hardly makes sense for singles and even busy couples

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925244)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: Thriller hyperventilating mental disorder

that's bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925250)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:43 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

price your time properly and I assure you it’s not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925257)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac sinister mood

This assumes that restaurants are convenient and they are not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925265)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:53 PM
Author: sticky friendly grandma

it isn't about time, you have plenty of free time in the evening to cook a meal, but in terms of portions and food waste cooking for one requires either enormous discipline or a tolerance for eating the same thing all week, just up it to two portions and the math flips immediately

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925283)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

“it isn’t about the one thing you will never get back”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925329)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:15 PM
Author: sticky friendly grandma

sitting on your ass waiting for cold slop to be delivered is not a better use of life than cooking good food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925332)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:46 PM
Author: abnormal irradiated party of the first part partner

that's why you shove some slop down your throat during your commute home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48927116)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:15 PM
Author: Pea-brained mentally impaired theater stage

You are an actual retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925335)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:22 PM
Author: violent school cafeteria macaca

What better thing do you have to do with your time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925355)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925414)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:13 PM
Author: violent school cafeteria macaca

Seriously, who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925174)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:35 PM
Author: Fragrant Public Bath

high grocery prices are making eating out more reasonable these days, especially at non-chain places. $15 sandwich w/ a side at a diner or deli v. $12/pound turkey etc. etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925234)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: rusted floppy plaza national security agency

i feel like this is why 'food trucks' run by guatemalans in places like gas station parking lots have become more popular over time. they just quickly serve you your slop without complaint or attitude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925245)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

In SoCal a burrito off one of those trucks is $15. They are not any cheaper than brick and mortar around here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925253)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:49 PM
Author: Narrow-minded submissive lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925268)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:41 PM
Author: excitant chrome space

mostly because of whiny, cheap shitlib jews like you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925254)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:46 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac sinister mood

Eating out is too much of a hassle. My four kids make it a challenge so I just don’t do it.

One of the most tedious things about work actually is the expectation of eating all the time, too. Like they’ll have a breakfast (I don’t eat breakfast), and then they’ll have a lunch (and I usually don’t eat at that time either), and then they’ll have a dinner that goes to 1030 or 1100 and the expectation will be that you drink booze (and I don’t drink).

But restaurants themselves are all flame. I don’t know the last time I had a good meal anywhere or actually enjoyed myself at a restaurant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925264)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: Fragrant Public Bath

serious alcoholics stop enjoying bars or even drinking altogether before long too, to be fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925294)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac sinister mood

Are you implying that I am a food addict and I have lost my ability to get pleasure from the object of my addiction?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925299)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:16 PM
Author: violent school cafeteria macaca

one can take a single look at you and see you have plenty of time to eat lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925337)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:03 PM
Author: Unholy Underhanded Casino Giraffe

real estate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925298)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:16 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle haunting hell

Jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925338)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Emerald azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925341)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Emerald azn

QE.

COL will continue to skyrocket

i seriously have no idea why there aren't pitchforks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925339)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: Khaki dilemma

much of it is likely because you have don't put enough thought into your restaurant choices. you also seem to order food from the apps, thereby ensuring you will incur a 40% markup in fees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925371)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:31 PM
Author: Emerald azn

yeah thats what it is if only we clipped coupons more aggressively you can eat out at 1999 prices

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925388)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:42 PM
Author: Khaki dilemma

no not that. if you just pick good restaurants the eating out experience is worth it. they can be counter serve places even. if you're in a major metro there's going to be high quality food at all levels. you just have to know where to look. also, we cook at home. a lot. we're fairly good at it. so eating out is the exception, not the rule

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925412)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:44 PM
Author: Emerald azn

okay but none of that touches on the fact that shit is a lot more expensive than it was. this trend will not reverse without mass economic hardship or an AI miracle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925421)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: Khaki dilemma

agree that it costs $25 for a sandwich these days. which pisses me off. describe the AI miracle that would bring prices down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925458)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 9:16 PM
Author: Unholy Underhanded Casino Giraffe

ai programming robocops who would literally kill us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925523)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: Heady Menage

Labor costs are to blame for much of this. They be rising. Energy too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925495)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 9:27 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse principal's office roast beef

We need to immediately ban these Jewish middlemen delivery companies that put immense upward pressure on prices. If dorks are willing to pay $30 for a shittier version of the same sandwich delivered why should they not charge $22 in the restaurant?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925553)



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Date: May 12th, 2025 9:35 PM
Author: contagious sweet tailpipe church building

You’re retarded. I’ve been to Italy, Greece, and France in the past year which were all historically cheaper than the US (esp. NYC) for food if you compare similar experiences. The food in Greece has become way more expensive with a weakening dollar and the Ukraine war waging on. Italy and France remain very expensive unless you are eating takeaway food.

I’m sure food is still cheap in shit-hole-istan, but I’m a white American and would not want to ever visit there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48925564)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 2:45 AM
Author: puce arousing state athletic conference

Where are you eating in Italy that is very expensive? You can get an aperol spritz for 4 euros (or 3) and it comes with half a sandwich.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926097)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: Crawly nursing home round eye

He is actually correct. Those aperol+snack in milan are during set times i.e. 12-4 when people are looking to eat something else.. actul dinner isn't that much cheaper. More notably Spain and Italy are actually cheaper for restaurants than east Europe now..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48927102)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 4:45 AM
Author: Boyish Meetinghouse Goal In Life

lol stupid flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926152)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:17 PM
Author: Soul-stirring twisted jew windowlicker

Are you joking, this is the dumbest post ITT. Europe is laughably cheap and higher quality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926958)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Crawly nursing home round eye

That's why people go to allinclusives in turkey, dubai, etc you could literally eat $200/person equivalent(if you ate at restaurnts). Then take free sun umbrellas and unlimited booze..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926942)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Ebony Deer Antler

inflationpwned kike slop plus expected tip for parasite serverscum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48926948)



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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: abnormal irradiated party of the first part partner

you have to go out in an exurb or rural area

Go out in downtown Minneapolis and you're paying obscene prices plus "health and wellness charges" so the gay servers can fuck each other in the ass more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724207&forum_id=2#48927103)