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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:22 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams How come all the talk on this board is about OCI. Let's talk about clerkships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15948940) |
Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:25 PM Author: Excitant cyan fortuitous meteor friendly grandma I applied to a variety of SSCs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15948951) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:14 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958851) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Unhinged trip rigor because nothing's going on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958853) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:16 PM Author: vigorous yapping black woman office my state appellate court already hired for 2011.
inb4 "that's nothing" |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:17 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station outed as not alaska or new york (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960131) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:18 PM Author: bat shit crazy organic girlfriend no thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958866) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:26 PM Author: Jet-lagged Ladyboy Becky I am so fucking sick of OSCAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959724) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:41 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams It's horrible, but better than the alternative of no Oscar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959848) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:46 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting Current fed clerk here. I've been sorting through applications and helping judge decide who to interview. Glad to answer any questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959884) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:54 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams So your judge isnt on the plan? Do you look at every single app? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959941) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:01 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting He's not on the plan. Never has been.
We "look" at every single app, but if we see a 2.8 at Cardozo (and we see many of those types), it goes in the trash. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:18 PM Author: Jet-lagged Ladyboy Becky I keep hearing all these horror stories about 1100 apps for 2 spots and the like. I've always wondered how many of those were just totally outside of the realm of being competitive. People who are auto-dings but apply on a prayer and drive up the application numbers.
Care to hazard a (ballpark) guess at what proportion of your applicants are just flat-out unqualified? |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting At least 70 percent are ridiculously unqualified. It's ridiculous that a bottom 25% Hofstra student would spend a tremendous amount of money and time sending hundreds of paper applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960189) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:24 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station that's ludicrous. someone should do them a favor and get them on reality check. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960198) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:57 PM Author: seedy mewling senate they're at hofstra for a reason dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997466) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:55 PM Author: Indecent halford 1. district or circuit?
2. major city?
3. how are you conducting the grade screening?
4. what are some other things that look good on a resume (that you see with reasonable frequency; i.e. no Rhodes Scholar etc.) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:00 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting District this year, already have COA for next year.
Major city for both district and Circuit (same city.
If a candidate isn't a referral from a prof/partner who knows my judge, the cutoff is pretty simple: either top 10 percent from a T14 or top 5 percent from a local tier 1. There are still a ton of applicants who meet those criteria and we have to narrow it down even more before giving the resumes to the judge.
Law review is the most important. My judge worked for a while before law school, so he really is interested in candidates who have interesting pre-law work experience (not paralegals). |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:02 PM Author: Indecent halford how do you know what top 10% is from a school that doesn't rank? do you just eyeball it and see whether they have 3/4 A range (or H) grades or above? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960011) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:05 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting Most of the schools seem to let their students know if they are in the top 5-10 percent, because they note it on their resumes. Stanford and Harvard are harder to interpret, but you can kind of eyeball it. UVA is the weirdest one, because the transcripts don't have GPAs and none of the resumes include GPAs, even the ones with very good grades. I don't know if the school is instructing the students not to reveal their GPAs, but it makes it very difficult to evaluate (I don't really want to take the time to calculate someone's average). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960032) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:10 PM Author: Unhinged trip rigor yeah i know, i'm at a school that doesn't rank. so how DO you evaluate a transcript from a UVA person then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960070) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:17 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting If it's a transcript with all A's and A-'s, and the applicant is on LR, then it probably makes the cut. I think schools are hurting their students by encouraging them to hide the ball with their GPAs. It is a huge pain in the ass when you're trying to sort through 1,000 applications. I'm probably overscreening those schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960139) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:19 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station the school is instructing the students not to reveal their GPAs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960153) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:20 PM Author: Jet-lagged Ladyboy Becky What on earth is the rationale for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960160) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station Dunno. Personally I think it's douchey to put a GPA on your transcript, and potentially misleading if reviewers get lazy and just start going by the numbers. I'd think a person with a 3.6 but a heavy-ass course load is way more impressive, or at least interesting, than a 3.9 with lots of "pottery and the law" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960183) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:25 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station of course, the 3.9 with the heavy-ass course load wins, and there are probably a fair number of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960211) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:22 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting is the school doing this? that's just my guess, because i've gotten a bunch of UVA applications and not a single one has included a GPA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960176) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960188) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:26 PM Author: Unhinged trip rigor my CCN just does not rank students, so you cannot say you are in the top 10%. the GPA would be meaningless because there are no rank cutoffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960214) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station so you're at chicago? CLS gives stone and kent, and NYU gives top 10, top 10%, and top 25% awards at the end of both 1L and 2L, which provides reasonable guidance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960256) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:36 PM Author: Supple well-lubricated stead weed whacker No I am at a CLS. Do you basically reject everyone who doesn't have at least 1 year of kent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960309) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:20 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station and if the candidate is a referral from a prof/partner/another judge who knows your judge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960159) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:25 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting grades still matter, but they are far less important. a top 20 percent student with a strong personal recommendation might get an interview. but a median student won't get an interview, even if he has amazing recommenders calling for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960208) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:28 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station interesting. some judges i know of will go almost entirely on the rec, if it's the right rec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960236) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:28 PM Author: Unhinged trip rigor why do those judges ignore student's mediocrity re: law school performance? it's strange. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960244) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:31 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station presumably because they trust the recommender not to be recommending a student who would do a poor job in chambers/doesn't deserve it, and are willing to accept that the student's transcript is, somehow, not indicative of what they can do for the judge. at least that's my hypothesis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960262) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:37 PM Author: Supple well-lubricated stead weed whacker but how does that happen? If that student sucked it up and got a bunch of B+s in foundation classes, why would the judge think he'd be a better writer and researcher than the guy who got As but doesn't have the rec? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960326) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:39 PM Author: Jet-lagged Ladyboy Becky I am just confused as to who all these professors are that are recommending shitty students to judges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960342) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:39 PM Author: Supple well-lubricated stead weed whacker It happens bro. Not shitty students, but students who are only top 20-25%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960347) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:55 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station if the recommender is one of your best buds and she says look bob, i know this kid, he's brilliant, personable, and does fantastic work, he's just not good in the exam situation (or whatever), and you'd really be doing yourself a disservice not to take him . . . i'd think that'd weigh pretty heavily.
of course, for the professor to actually do something like that, it does actually need to be the case that the student is worth going to bat for. it's an unlikely scenario, but it does happen occasionally. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:40 AM Author: Dull twisted useless brakes queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962613) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:12 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station I think it really depends on how the student compares to the typical applicant for that judge. If it's for Koz, or Posner, or Boudin or Edwards or Sentelle or somebody, I find it highly unlikely that a prof is going to make a serious phone call on behalf of a median student. But for D. Md. or E.D. Pa.? Meh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963978) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:39 AM Author: Dull twisted useless brakes queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962609) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 5:34 PM Author: bistre fragrant parlour Maybe the student didn't know how to take a law school exam during the first semester and bombed all of his classes except legal writing? Maybe the student got perfect grades in every one of his writing courses after that and started smoking every one of his classes once he found out how to take a law school exam?
That's what happened to me. I received a damn good recommendation and my Judge gave me a chance. My Judge recently told me that I am best researcher and writer he's ever had. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: spruce point this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960249) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: Wonderful persian famous landscape painting i think that most profs will do their own grade screening. we've gotten a few referrals from profs who know my judge, and those applicants have had very strong grades/LR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960254) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:22 PM Author: spruce point lucked into a vagistrate clerkship w/ a brand new judge; guy doesnt know wtf OSCAR is or "the plan." I plan on keeping him in the dark. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960177) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: Dull twisted useless brakes queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962624) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:00 AM Author: Glittery Effete Doctorate Brunch CCN, no journal
Lucked into a clerkship for 2010, applying for Circuit for 2011 --- am I going to get any interviews or will I be OSCARLAWREVIEWFILTERPWN3D? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:02 AM Author: spruce point cr re OSCAR
unless you have ridiculous stats, not sure why anyone bothers
*uploads undergraduate transcript* |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:10 AM Author: Jet-lagged Ladyboy Becky I will be you in a year...after I luck into my 2011 clerkship.
*crosses fingers* |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 6:06 AM Author: high-end appetizing gas station you've got to be kidding me
if you get COA i'll eat my hat |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 8:51 AM Author: Glittery Effete Doctorate Brunch already had an interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962392) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: high-end appetizing gas station "if you get" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963982) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: Glittery Effete Doctorate Brunch yeah, I get that part but all I'm trying to indicate is that it's not incredibly outlandish.
I don't actually understand why LR >>> 1 year of clerking. I'm writing my own work, not cite checking someone else's. If I was in the position of hiring CCN, top 1/4 + LR or CCN, top 1/4 + 1 year of clerking, I'd definitely hire the second one. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:44 PM Author: erotic bipolar regret dysfunction The problem, of course, is that judges could easily fill their spots by choosing the third option--all of the above. Most of the students I know who took DC clerkships also applied to appellate courts for the following year, especially ITE.
My judge would hire someone who wasn't on LR, but resumes from anyone who couldn't be bothered to do some random crap secondary journal are sorted out immediately. If you had something better to do during law school, you'll have something better to do than work in our chambers.
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:45 PM Author: Glittery Effete Doctorate Brunch I guess. I don't think all judges see it that way but I get what you're saying; I don't doubt that you've got stacks of DCt clerks applying as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964750) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:18 AM Author: cerebral principal's office generalized bond Grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962525) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: Glittery Effete Doctorate Brunch top 1/4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963918) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:07 PM Author: Hateful Market Partner protip: if the judge is "full" on oscar, you're wasting your time by sending in an app. not even your B+ average from vanderbilt will make the judge reconsider her hiring decision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964430) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:17 PM Author: Out-of-control bright cruise ship personal credit line got an off-plan clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964520) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: stimulating flirting kitty trump supporter How many total clerkships have you fags been applying to?
Also, if a judge says his "preferred GPA" is top 15%, should I not even bother if I'm in between top 15% and 20% |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:20 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams 100+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997198) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: stimulating flirting kitty trump supporter Yikes, looks like I better step my game up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997447) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: dashing puppy laser beams When you consider that I only have a shot at 1/3 of them, if that, it doesn't seem like a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997771) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 4:00 PM Author: rose startled spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15996116) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: stimulating flirting kitty trump supporter So is OSCAR not loading for anyone else? WTF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997469) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: rose startled spot isn't that because applications were just released to chambers, so everyone is on oscar looking at applications before calling people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997667) |