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Lmao xoers are idiots the ones who love WFH

Had many arguments about this. “BUT BUT I’m a in...
laughsome awkward turdskin
  12/13/25
it's 4:58 AM on a Saturday morning and you're raging about W...
cowardly zippy stage wrinkle
  12/13/25
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federal comical dingle berry bbw
  12/13/25
(WFHomo tp)
talented gold dopamine
  12/13/25
IDGAF if AI fucks my wife, it doesn't produce sperm It's fu...
Avocado boiling water
  12/13/25
^ this guy gets it
filthy mind-boggling boistinker
  12/13/25
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Frum chad
  12/13/25
Well yeah, I am a good person who will raise my wife's child...
Avocado boiling water
  12/13/25
don't think you realize how cucked by modern life you are, a...
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coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed
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Lmao the people who say this and blank bump this are usually...
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Azure messiness digit ratio
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Free-loading Becky
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Bull headed volcanic crater shitlib
  12/13/25
WFH still exists?
Talking old irish cottage
  12/13/25
yes bro. i still havent gone into an office
deranged theater
  12/13/25
Bullshit unless you mean you’re unemployed
supple institution queen of the night
  12/13/25
im employed friend
deranged theater
  12/13/25
Industry and total comp?
supple institution queen of the night
  12/13/25
consulting 200s/300s
deranged theater
  12/13/25
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Concupiscible sandwich lodge
  12/13/25
sure does and its 180
Violent office black woman
  12/13/25
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coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed
  12/13/25
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Navy Karate
  12/14/25
any male that still commutes to an office should be killed. ...
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  12/13/25
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cowardly zippy stage wrinkle
  12/13/25
I switched from overnight wfh to daytime, I will now work 9a...
Maniacal kitchen blood rage
  12/13/25
Good but you don’t have a wife and kids correct? Yes n...
laughsome awkward turdskin
  12/13/25
Describe how my wfh would be inferior to driving in traffic ...
Maniacal kitchen blood rage
  12/13/25
Shitting in my own toilet and proudly using my own bidet ins...
vigorous orchestra pit selfie
  12/13/25
Plus I get to use charmin ultra at home instead of tissue pa...
coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed
  12/13/25
real men dont use toliet paper
deranged theater
  12/13/25
real men squat in the ganges
coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed
  12/13/25
spend a few hundred and get a bidet
deranged theater
  12/13/25
Hose bidet is $35 on amazon. All you need. Once you bidet, t...
vigorous orchestra pit selfie
  12/13/25
try japanese seats bro
deranged theater
  12/13/25
cr, get a toto or dont get it at all
Violent office black woman
  12/13/25
Screwing a garden hose onto your bathroom faucet is free!
stirring arrogant garrison international law enforcement agency
  12/14/25
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coral charismatic plaza coldplay fan
  12/13/25
my current commute sucks ass which is why i like it. if i w...
emerald marvelous athletic conference range
  12/13/25
WFH ended like 2 years ago, come on man
supple institution queen of the night
  12/13/25
for fags, yes. this is true for non-fags, not true.
deranged theater
  12/13/25
I for one have been healthcare, car insurance, and food pric...
deranged theater
  12/13/25
You can never convince a WFH cuck that his worldview is wron...
Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks
  12/13/25
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laughsome awkward turdskin
  12/13/25
My vanishingly small chances at finding a wife are only kept...
Frum chad
  12/13/25
I like going to the office every now and then to mix things ...
Burgundy pisswyrm
  12/13/25
you could... just join a coworking space when you want that....
deranged theater
  12/13/25
We are all adult men here. You shouldn't have a boss.
Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks
  12/13/25
You're a lawyer, not a subsistence farmer. Nobody cares
aphrodisiac rehab crotch
  12/13/25
I am a boss lawyer. I go to the office and boss around peopl...
Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks
  12/13/25
This. I run a $300 million company.
laughsome awkward turdskin
  12/13/25
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laughsome awkward turdskin
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coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed
  12/13/25
I'm never going back.
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Concupiscible sandwich lodge
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Passionate Gas Station
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Navy Karate
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What if they make you
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I will literally retire to the third world before I go back ...
Beady-eyed Locale
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the middle manager smiles as you receive an inane Microsoft ...
cowardly zippy stage wrinkle
  12/14/25
me: chillin at home u: covered in parvo
aphrodisiac rehab crotch
  12/13/25
Listen up niggers I am 100% wfh and switched from nights to ...
Maniacal kitchen blood rage
  12/13/25
Why don't you just claim to be on US soil while youre in Med...
Metal insecure base
  12/13/25
Same reason why you don't just claim all your 1099 income as...
Maniacal kitchen blood rage
  12/13/25
? You can legally claim to your employer you are in US and ...
deranged theater
  12/13/25
I mean it's very easy to check your ip. In my line of work n...
Maniacal kitchen blood rage
  12/13/25
get a dedicated IP in US. hth
deranged theater
  12/14/25
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Date: December 13th, 2025 4:58 AM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin

Had many arguments about this. “BUT BUT I’m a incel! I love being home in my apartment I don’t need to shower!”

Or

“Omg it gives me so much more time home with my kids!” (Idiot who doesn’t see work as an escape from home for 75%+ of the day.

Or “omg I can do my hobbies!”

Well guess what? Ai is now going to do your “hobbies” your job and fuck your wife and “Age of consent+” daughters.

You needed to be “there” but you weren’t.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506351)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 5:06 AM
Author: cowardly zippy stage wrinkle

it's 4:58 AM on a Saturday morning and you're raging about WFHomos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506353)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:09 AM
Author: federal comical dingle berry bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506449)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:22 PM
Author: talented gold dopamine

(WFHomo tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507384)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 5:45 AM
Author: Avocado boiling water

IDGAF if AI fucks my wife, it doesn't produce sperm

It's functionally a vibrator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506356)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: filthy mind-boggling boistinker

^ this guy gets it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507120)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 5:50 AM
Author: Frum chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506358)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:26 AM
Author: Avocado boiling water

Well yeah, I am a good person who will raise my wife's child between zoom calls, it's called human decency and morality :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506369)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:55 AM
Author: Spectacular Halford Step-uncle's House

don't think you realize how cucked by modern life you are, and how loudly you advertise it, when you praise petty office wagecuckery as a cherished escape from the oppressive household and family, whose endless needs are the reason you toil so exhaustively in the first place

normalfag life as a distraction from the realization that death is preferable. sustainable only as such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506383)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:20 AM
Author: coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506412)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:10 AM
Author: federal comical dingle berry bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506450)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin

Lmao the people who say this and blank bump this are usually people who are “married” with zero kids and have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. And why are you in a position that you can even WFH?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506649)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 11:40 AM
Author: Azure messiness digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506651)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Free-loading Becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506919)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: Bull headed volcanic crater shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507538)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: Talking old irish cottage

WFH still exists?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506405)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:10 AM
Author: deranged theater

yes bro. i still havent gone into an office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506452)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: supple institution queen of the night

Bullshit unless you mean you’re unemployed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506823)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:35 PM
Author: deranged theater

im employed friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506898)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:49 PM
Author: supple institution queen of the night

Industry and total comp?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506938)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:53 PM
Author: deranged theater

consulting 200s/300s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506955)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:10 PM
Author: Concupiscible sandwich lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507363)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:32 PM
Author: Violent office black woman

sure does and its 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507001)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:03 PM
Author: coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507685)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 1:34 AM
Author: Navy Karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508024)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: naked cracking hospital filthpig

any male that still commutes to an office should be killed. if you do real work and need to be on site its different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506454)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:40 PM
Author: cowardly zippy stage wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506762)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:07 PM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

I switched from overnight wfh to daytime, I will now work 9am-6pm. Will have time to go for a swim before work and go to the gym and drink some booze in afternoon. And I can occasionally do a 2nd job 5-9pm, thereby enhancing my pay. Try fitting all that when you instead sit in traffic at 8am and at 5pm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506696)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:08 PM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin

Good but you don’t have a wife and kids correct? Yes no one is disputing if you’re an incel it’s probably better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506698)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

Describe how my wfh would be inferior to driving in traffic if I had wife and kids? Oh wow you get to eat your burritos at a cafeteria with your wetback colleagues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506714)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:40 PM
Author: vigorous orchestra pit selfie

Shitting in my own toilet and proudly using my own bidet instead of having to hear and smell some other guy’s shit inches away is the #1 reason to WFH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506761)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed

Plus I get to use charmin ultra at home instead of tissue paper in an office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506773)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:47 PM
Author: deranged theater

real men dont use toliet paper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506783)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed

real men squat in the ganges

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506814)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:02 PM
Author: deranged theater

spend a few hundred and get a bidet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506817)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 3:30 PM
Author: vigorous orchestra pit selfie

Hose bidet is $35 on amazon. All you need. Once you bidet, there’s no other way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507081)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:06 PM
Author: deranged theater

try japanese seats bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507355)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Violent office black woman

cr, get a toto or dont get it at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507359)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: stirring arrogant garrison international law enforcement agency

Screwing a garden hose onto your bathroom faucet is free!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508787)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: coral charismatic plaza coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506993)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:02 PM
Author: emerald marvelous athletic conference range

my current commute sucks ass which is why i like it. if i was walking distance or a short drive/1 subway i would rather go in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506821)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: supple institution queen of the night

WFH ended like 2 years ago, come on man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506822)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:36 PM
Author: deranged theater

for fags, yes. this is true

for non-fags, not true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506900)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: deranged theater

I for one have been healthcare, car insurance, and food prices NOT INCREASE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506904)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks

You can never convince a WFH cuck that his worldview is wrong. Everything would crumble around him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506992)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506996)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:28 PM
Author: Frum chad

My vanishingly small chances at finding a wife are only kept alive by my employer forcing 600 of us to meet in an office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506995)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Burgundy pisswyrm

I like going to the office every now and then to mix things up, but if you’re being forced by a boss to commute to an office every day then you’re not actually making (or going to make) any money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49506997)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: deranged theater

you could... just join a coworking space when you want that. i do that as i have multiple kids and sometimes want a work environment for the day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507005)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 4:41 PM
Author: Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks

We are all adult men here. You shouldn't have a boss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507208)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:15 PM
Author: aphrodisiac rehab crotch

You're a lawyer, not a subsistence farmer. Nobody cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507377)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks

I am a boss lawyer. I go to the office and boss around people with BAs and JDs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507661)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:56 PM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin

This. I run a $300 million company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507673)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:02 PM
Author: Opaque Pontificating Forum Wagecucks

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507683)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 7:13 PM
Author: laughsome awkward turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507461)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:04 PM
Author: coiffed mischievous alpha half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507689)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 3:31 PM
Author: stirring arrogant garrison international law enforcement agency

I'm never going back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507084)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:11 PM
Author: Concupiscible sandwich lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507367)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 1:46 AM
Author: Passionate Gas Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508028)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 2:26 AM
Author: Navy Karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508037)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 2:29 AM
Author: thriller stag film

What if they make you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508038)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 2:54 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Locale

I will literally retire to the third world before I go back to an office job. It’s a completely absurd waste of time. GC laughing, howling in your face as you put on your costume and sit in traffic just to sit in an office all day doing the exact same shit you could be doing from anywhere else. It’s inhumane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508050)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 3:09 AM
Author: cowardly zippy stage wrinkle

the middle manager smiles as you receive an inane Microsoft Teams notification

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508051)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 6:13 PM
Author: aphrodisiac rehab crotch

me: chillin at home

u: covered in parvo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507374)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 7:59 PM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

Listen up niggers I am 100% wfh and switched from nights to days. Now will work 9-6 and do additional work 5-9pm whenever I feel like making some 1099. My only limitation is I must work from my home office. True work from anywhere means I could work from Thailand or Belarus. I can go in that direction in a few years bit I'd have to take a 50% pay cut because basically I'd be giving a full consult but some turdskin on u.s. soil would have to put his signature on my consult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507547)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:22 PM
Author: Metal insecure base

Why don't you just claim to be on US soil while youre in Medellin fucking ladyboys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507740)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:36 PM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

Same reason why you don't just claim all your 1099 income as expenses and pay 0 tax. Felony. Could do it out of belarus if never plan to return to usa..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507774)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: deranged theater

?

You can legally claim to your employer you are in US and then file your taxes as US and no issue. You are actually overpaying your taxes and not using the foreign abroad credit of up to $126k. They will not come after you for overpaying. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507835)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 10:22 PM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

I mean it's very easy to check your ip. In my line of work nigbtjobs pay 50% more per hour and I could work days out of Belarus when it's night here. But it would require a home vpn at my parents house to conceal true ip. That's very high risk and basically assumes if you get caught, you're done working and never coming back to usa. I.e. if you get a dui and escape to Belarus you're not coming back to usa because it's a serious offence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507854)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 9:19 AM
Author: deranged theater

get a dedicated IP in US. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508337)



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Date: December 14th, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: Maniacal kitchen blood rage

How do you do that safely? I think the safest way is install such home vpn machine at my parents house. But to even test that I'd have to go back to nightjob, get a place somewhere linke Minsk and log in. Btw my new job pays almost as much during the day as my old night job, but they don't even allow to work from jewyork. They literally said they don't want to get sued because I stepped foot there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49508456)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:29 PM
Author: vermilion knife

op posted this on his lunch break

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809796&forum_id=2#49507618)