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Best combined JD / MBA program?
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:44 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Not just prestige, but also factoring in duration, cost, etc.
3 years at Northwestern seems pretty appealing.
Thoughts? |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 5:14 PM Author: Vermilion floppy parlor pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821136) |
Date: August 17th, 2010 8:46 PM Author: Greedy Abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: splenetic degenerate What if I want to be a balling lawyer who can build excel models and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813431) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: Greedy Abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813452) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: lemon swashbuckling telephone nibblets Don't you mean "do an MBA and read a law book?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:50 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal I don't think they're worthless at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813461) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: Greedy Abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813473) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Like shit, bro. There are no jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813475) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:03 PM Author: cracking chapel antidepressant drug vat? plan not verk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813542) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:04 PM Author: appetizing quadroon newt no u! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813548) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:17 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Time not ap yet! Bat not verk like hoap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813674) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse I would think NU would lean you more towards the business career than law because of the disparity in the programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813433) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:50 PM Author: splenetic degenerate H and S both more rounded options, agree - but an extra year. Worth it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813459) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:51 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse Probably not. I wouldn't sink another 60K for marginally better options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813463) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:03 PM Author: cracking chapel antidepressant drug they don't just give you a free year of tuition when you do the 3 year program, they just raise tuition to $70k/year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813547) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse Still cheaper than the option, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813663) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:59 PM Author: dashing generalized bond yeah, but by like $20k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814093) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:51 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch Harvard or Stanford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813466) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:51 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse They don't have the 3 year option. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813468) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch Who cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813478) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:07 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse 60K? pocket change? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813575) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:17 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch For a Harvard or Stanford JD/MBA, $60k is pocket change (considering they'll probably end up grossing over $10-15 million in career earnings). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813669) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:17 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse LOL. Okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813677) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:19 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch They won't? Almost every Harvard JD/MBA I've come across has been a high level lawyer or corporate exec making well into the millions. I don't think $60k is going to break the bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813691) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:20 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse Okay. How many have you met in your travails? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813700) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:22 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch Personally, 3, but I've read numerous top JD/MBA bios and pretty much all of them end up making a ton of money (millions), either as attorneys, bankers, entrepreneurs, or consultants (MD/partner level). The ones who aren't making bank aren't making bank because they choose to not make bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813713) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse So, you don't actually know them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813761) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch Reading comp. problems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813783) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:30 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse So, you've done extensive research? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813809) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:32 PM Author: deranged wild gas station crotch Give it a rest already. Bottom line is that $60k ends up being peanuts to the average Harvard or Stanford JD/MBA grad. Go do some research on this. Most end up becoming rich. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813833) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse You're making the claim. I was just wanting to hear about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813860) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: Kink-friendly Honey-headed Trust Fund Base University of Phoenix
Come at me, bro! |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:01 PM Author: excitant prole Harvard or Stanford. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813534) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:15 PM Author: tan new version Harvard but that seems incredibly difficult. Penn/Wharton is more doable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813653) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Am also considering doing 1-year MBA at NU then 1-year LLM at HYS.
Thoughts... |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse worthless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813831) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:32 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Why 1 year LLM? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813835) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:33 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Have a LLB from an non-US university. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813843) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:39 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Why not do a 2 year JD at NU at that point? Don't know how that would work with the 1 year MBA but I wonder if you could do both in 2.5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813913) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:56 PM Author: splenetic degenerate That's what I was thinking. Have emailed admissions but haven't had a response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814061) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal It is just that an LLM, even from HLS, is considered much, much worse than a JD even from a lower (but still respectable) school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814084) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:00 PM Author: dashing generalized bond how's that NU JD doing for you bro?
get at me fish. get at me. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:01 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Maybe if I had an MBA and an LLB from somewhere else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814118) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:01 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Maybe. But fuck doing Torts again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814115) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:02 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal So you'll be at the top of the class. Even better, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814129) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 11:27 PM Author: frisky senate CR. There are also other 2 year JD options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15815353) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:32 PM Author: mint irradiated plaza why do you want to do a JD/MBA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813842) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:33 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Mostly prestige.
And I like debt. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: mint irradiated plaza ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813874) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: Bipolar rigor my god, what a waste of money and time to get a joint degree -- particularly in two fields that view each other with suspicion.
pick a degree program -- either law or business -- and run with it. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse Not exactly true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813865) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:39 PM Author: Bipolar rigor i think a joint JD/MBA is best reserved for the handful of people who have an organized career path set forth before entering the joint degree.
i don't think doing it for "prestige" alone will net a good return. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:42 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal I can't help but notice that every JD/MBA I've met was fine post-graduation. It must be nice to have that added flexibility. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813949) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:44 PM Author: brilliant crackhouse Top MBAs are doing better in this economy. You can always make the case that that was the chosen objective.
You can do that with just law. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:45 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Right. I've heard that too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15813979) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: exciting corner reading party TITCR. The only reason I could see doing this is if you have say, four years of BB M&A or PE experience and expect to get hired at a Senior Associate type level in finance. Would never go this route into law; it cast immediate doubt on your BIGLAW desires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814083) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal The people I knew with that background seemed to be snapped up by V10 firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15814087) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:07 PM Author: excitant prole Yea, but how much of this is just due to self-selection/correlation. People with the backgrounds to get into a good MBA program (prior WE, for those that apply during 1L year- great grades, etc) would have probably been attractive candidates for those firms anyway.
I had planned to apply to the MBA program at my LS during my 1L but realized its pretty much a complete waste of time and money. Unless you're wealthy enough that it doesn't matter, you're giving up a year of income and getting another 60-70k in debt. You can always cross-register MBA classes, take a business heavy LS course load and end up learning anything you would in the MBA (and with similar networking benefits since you'll have taken a couple of classes there too).
Aside from the prestige, I don't think theres a huge tangible gain from doing the joint degree. However, if you're independently wealthy or getting sponsored for your degree then by all means go ahead and take the extra year of partying, for everyone else I don't think its worth it. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: splenetic degenerate Agree with self-selection theory.
I think it's fundamentally a prestige / branding exercise. Everyone who's worked in the real world for more than 2 years knows that you use <10% of what they teach you at law / business school.
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Date: August 17th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: supple walnut son of senegal Fair point.
" You can always cross-register MBA classes, take a business heavy LS course load and end up learning anything you would in the MBA"
Yep, this is what I did. But you know that degrees are all about signaling rather than knowledge.
"Aside from the prestige, I don't think theres a huge tangible gain from doing the joint degree."
Come on. Prestige gets you jobs in law. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:19 PM Author: excitant prole What did you think of cross-registering? I'm thinking of doing my first one in this fall but I'd have to drop a ls class I was looking forward too.
And true, I'm sure the signaling/prestige will help but I'm not sure if the difference is enough to merit the extra 70k + 160k foregone income. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 11:15 PM Author: Stirring Pea-brained Ladyboy Knife Penn/Wharton has a 3 year JD/MBA program. This is probably the best deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15815215) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 7:19 AM Author: heady cordovan place of business Subject: Definitely Harvard or Stanford Harvard and Stanford are far and away the two best (and most prestigious) JD/MBA programs. Good luck getting into either one, but they're clearly the two best. And in the grand scheme of things, one extra year (H & S JD/MBA programs each require 4 years, while a # of other joint programs have recently moved to 3 years) for either Stanford or Harvard is nothing compared to the bank you would make coming out with a JD/MBA from either Stanford or Harvard.
There's a reason Harvard and Stanford both recently said "no way" to reducing their JD/MBA programs to 3 years. And it's not due to cash. There aren't that many students accepted to both their Law and Business Schools (very, very few; so the income generated from these students via tuition is next-to-nothing in their overall budgets). No, it's because Stanford and Harvard both said that they could not justify cutting out 40% of the curriculum (with a 3-year program) and still awarding both a JD and MBA. They're not willing to degrade the value of their JD or their MBA.
So, it's Stanford or Harvard for the JD/MBA in a hearbeat--if you win the admissions lottery. Really, really tough to get into either. But if you do, you will definitely profit. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:16 PM Author: frisky senate Cutting curriculum would not "degrade value" of the degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818728) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:24 PM Author: Chrome Alcoholic State it does look a bit like turnkey degree scheming when NU and Penn announced their "revolutionary" 3 year programs with $70k/yr tuition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818758) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: frisky senate Employers are not going to care and students save 70K. Most of the stuff you learn at school has little or no application when you start working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15819295) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: motley lay Easiest but good combo to achieve would be NYU Law/Stern or CLS/CBS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818145) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:21 PM Author: Cerebral institution foreskin NYU Stern is awful. All the student there have a massive inferiority complex to columbia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818748) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:40 PM Author: Smoky area NYU Stern is > or = CBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818873) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:43 PM Author: Cerebral institution foreskin lol. no one seriously puts stern in the same category as columbia. basically everyone at NYU got rejected at columbia.
HTFH |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:43 PM Author: razzle-dazzle gay kitchen not for value investors man. cbs > harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818902) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:46 PM Author: Cerebral institution foreskin there is not a single category in which NYU Stern is equal to columbia. their finance is solid, but stern students still lose out to columbia students in recruiting, especially buyside jobs in hedge funds, investment management, and private equity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818925) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:47 PM Author: razzle-dazzle gay kitchen fair enough. i would have suspected this is the case but i just know for a fact that CBS is holy grail for at least one school of financial bs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818931) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:28 PM Author: Cerebral institution foreskin how is this even a debate? Harvard and Stanford are easily the best programs. I give the edge to Harvard due to sheer prestige and networking. Keep in mind that each class at HBS has 900 students while each class at HLS has 550 students. That allows you to have access to a huge and extremely successful network of classmates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818775) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:30 PM Author: Chrome Alcoholic State *gives business card to estrada*
*ping him while working on my deck*
*discuss offing mother to generate start up capital for our b2b taco truck muppet business* |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 12:39 PM Author: razzle-dazzle gay kitchen lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15818856) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 1:19 PM Author: well-lubricated range coffee pot hbs/yls stanford is tcr though |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 5:44 PM Author: Fuchsia Ratface Orchestra Pit i know a girl who did HBS and then Yale Law right after harvard undergrad. sick pedigree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821412) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 5:45 PM Author: dashing generalized bond perfect UG gpa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821419) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: Fuchsia Ratface Orchestra Pit actually yes. one of the few perfect 4.0's in harvard history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821427) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 6:11 PM Author: Vermilion floppy parlor pervert Texas JD + McCombs MBA cannot be beat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821646) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 6:22 PM Author: Bisexual heaven dopamine TMF, did you like NU? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398423&forum_id=2#15821744) |