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"University of Chicago is still a clerkship powehouse, however."
Date: September 3rd, 2009 7:48 PM Author: dashing institution ...and by "clerkship powerhouse" I mean it's actually in the bottom half of the T14 (in spite of a tiny class size that should logically actually boost its ranking in a poll that is based on % of the class that gets placed) for placing students in Article III clerkships. It also gets beat by a number of shitty state schools.
lol
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/article_iii_clerks |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 7:54 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender seriously, though, given the rise of NYU in such a great location, and given that berkeley has for some reason risen to No. 6, is there any reason other than tradition that Chicago shouldn't drop down to 12-14? northwestern's success would also make Chicago drop a few slots. Who the hell wants to go to that location? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663226) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:01 PM Author: dashing institution cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663261) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:47 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: I'm going to assume this is a troll post So here's a re-post
Those numbers are wrong wrong wrong.
About 30-40 people clerk right after graduation. Another 15-20 pick up a clerkship in the first few years of working after graduation.
I completely blame the Hutch for failing to report things accurately since he alienates so many people who actually end up clerking. Truthfully, Chicago doesn't keep track of this stuff. I was never asked after graduation (I didn't clerk) and when I did clerk no one followed up with me, either.
I've actually said it before but more Chicago students could probably clerk if they were willing to do district clerkships outside of big cities and were not completely discouraged by the Hutch (who loves to shit on students' plans).
If you are in the top half of Chicago you will be able to land a federal clerkship. But there are some seriously fucked up things about the place aside from clerking (its odd obession with SCOTUS clerkships), that in hindsight would have made me go elsewhere. I would be the first to shit on Chicago if given the chance, but in terms of clerking, it is actually kind of awesome (as a grad who chose to clerk after a few years in biglaw). I am crossing my fingers your post and the misconception might result in the Hutch being pushed out by the new dean.
Also, Hyde Park is awesome and cheap if you're looking for a mellow neighborhood to be a grown up grad student. Having gone to a party school (and picked up my spouse there), I didn't really care about the lack of bustling night life.
I do, however, miss my 400 a month rent.
Also, most U of C people who hate hyde park live up north and just drive down for school. It's 25 minutes.
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:35 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
This is a troll post? Trolling by who - the OP, or the respected news agency that collected and compiled the information that he linked to?
But I'm sure that Chicago is actually being really underrepresented here because a single guy in the administration doesn't care enough to do his job well and report the ACTUAL rate of clerkship placement...in spite of the fact that doing so would greatly help the entire school. And he is suffering no repercussions from the rest of the administration for this selfish and mindlessly harmful oversight. That sounds both reasonable and believable - must be the real explanation for what's going on here! |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:48 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: That's exactly What is going on here and why I can't fucking stand the place. It suffers from a lack of ass kicking in terms of the admin standpoint. 30-40 people a year do clerk at Chicago. That place just sucks at actually explaining that fact.
The admin in charge is in fact suffering no adverse consequences from being bad at his job. But I do wonder whether Hutchinson (there I said it!) will get this pulled from his job duties. He sucks as an advisor and is in fact kind of terrible. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:53 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
If true, in some ways that actually makes Chicago look worse. Good God what a TTT. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:49 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine tbf,
the lady doth protest too much. i seem to recall you discussing particular professors at length from what must have been personal experience with a current student |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:52 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
link? I have always admitted that I went to a good law school and so obviously I know people who went or go to almost all of the T6 schools and I hear bitching about various profs from them. I probably know a few stories about most of the established notorious professors at HYSCN as well.
I'm not going to get into rehasing the whole argument ITT again; I'm just here for the Good Oldfashioned XOXO Chicago bashing man. Can't I be a civilian for once? |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:55 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine i don't recall the thread title, and i don't keep my bookmarks folder stuffed with past notable threads for bumping/pwning. suffice to say the numerosity and particularity of the anecdotes/impressions was such that they weren't likely pulled from casual conversation with students at other schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664027) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:57 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
I went to University of Chicago. This can be true if you'd like it to be - I enjoy bashing the place as much as the next XOXOer but if people on XOXO want to believe that at the end of the day that's cool with me |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:58 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy the law school? year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664043) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:59 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
c/o 2005, my name was Alexander Roskin back then |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:00 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy not sure if you are flame or what, but this is all very interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664060) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:06 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: to double break it down. 2003-2006 grad Clerk. Just saying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664089) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:25 AM Author: Coiffed very tactful chapel hi chancemeeting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666782) |
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Date: September 28th, 2010 2:57 PM Author: amber stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#16164632) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:27 AM Author: Coiffed very tactful chapel hi chancemeeting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666784) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 9:59 AM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
LOL, no |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:55 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy is H that pessimistic? i was taking him seriously when he indicated i'd have a hard time getting a passable clerkship because i didn't make the ed board.
Top 20%, LR, v1 firm |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:56 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine kind of funny; i thought about you when i saw that post above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664031) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:57 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy i'm curious to know what he thinks the "seriously fucked up things about Chicago" are. i'm still seeking validation and release regarding the sadism of that place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664039) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:08 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: The degree is worth more Than what they say. And that is kind of a tragedy. But yeah, the hutch sucks. If you want to clerk, I will give you spot on advice. If you want biglaw, just pick a nonpicky place (it used to be Skadden NY) and you'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664105) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:58 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
Wait so is there really a guy in the Chicago administration who tells people in the Top Quarter on LR w/ a Wachtell offer that they probably can't get a decent COA clerkship?
1 fuckin 80 |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:59 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664049) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:00 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
Holy shit is this IRL flame or something?
Did you clerk anyway? All jokes aside fuck that miserable faggot |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:01 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy no i haven't clerked, but i have fantasized about being prestigious enough to. perhaps i am prestigious enough after all! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664062) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:05 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Wow. Okay babies.
Well, first of all. I have the ovaries. And I had the preggo in law school (but kept it quiet). I was a working mom.
All right, the hutch does not shit on the board of LR. He will shit on kids with a 178 with journal and/or clinic who can indeed land a clerkship because he sucks. A lot. I have an ax to grind against the guy since I graduated with honors and he told me that I might want to consider just being a full time mom. I hate that asshole. A lot.
And I can point out a distinct vice of the hutch that someone who went to Chicago would know. So, call shenanigans. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:08 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy trust me, i believe you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664108) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 1:34 AM Author: Snowy Orchestra Pit "And I can point out a distinct vice of the hutch that someone who went to Chicago would know."
It's Black and Milds, isn't it? |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 4:37 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: That is kind of racist And no. Wrong. If you want to get to the gutter, I'll take you there but you're on the wrong vice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666701) |
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Date: September 6th, 2009 12:04 AM Author: Sienna up-to-no-good native community account Racist?
Explain. |
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Date: June 10th, 2010 7:34 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes It's pervy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15207938) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:27 AM Author: Coiffed very tactful chapel hi chancemeeting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666785) |
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Date: November 19th, 2011 2:41 PM Author: violent misanthropic tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#19399394) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 12:02 AM Author: exciting flushed market I dunno I think all you guys are too harsh on Chicago. The big problem with the school is a clueless administration and a head-in-the-clouds approach to law admissions.
Just like the rest of the university up until recently, Chicago seemed to pay no attention to rankings, the operations of its peers, etc. Then one year, I think U of C (The College) dropped to like #16 in US News, and all of a sudden the administration started to notice, and do stuff about it. Got more selective in admissions, built new dorms, started gaming the rankings like Duke, Penn, etc., and now they're #7 or #8 or whatever.
If U of C Law drops to #8 or #9, that might actually be good for the school - and could shake stuff up a bit. Unlike Cornell or Penn or Duke, Chicago still seems to have a pretty good rep amongst lawyers and judges. The admin needs to get in line and be more student-focused. The admissions office needs to get their act together. The core elements of a good law school are all there - there's a good faculty and a good student body. You guys talk about how much Chicago sucks, but I think you underestimate how much Penn, Virginia, Duke, etc. SUCK - even when Chicago's bleeding faculty, it still boasts a stronger roster than anything at schools ranked below it. Chicago can strengthen its student body thru better admissions office work - and that comes down to shaking up the (now clueless and distant) admissions office. If Chicago's clerkship placement is lagging, this can be fixed in just a few years with better clerkship advising. As everyone has said, Hutchinson SUCKS. Judges are risk averse and prone to custom - they've hired more Chicago grads in the past then kids from UVa, Penn, whatever. If Chicago's advising improves in the next few years, chicago will continue to maintain distance from its lesser peers. Again, Chicago' done the legwork of establishing a good rep over the past 3 decades or so. A change in admin and advising can be implemented and successful in just a few years. The school just has to get on board with actually caring about this stuff.
Just like the U of C College, the Law School needs a shakeup and needs to kinda wake up to the new reality. They can't just coast on the coattails of the Law & Economics boom. The new dean and a committment to students should serve Chicago Law well. There's no reason for Chicago to drop below Penn or Duke or whatever - U of C's rep is strong, it just needs to get all the other (easier to fix stuff) in line. |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 9:58 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: I agree with everything you've said Having gone to Chicago, what I find hilarious and horrible about the place is how terrible a job it does in promoting its students aside from landing a big law school (which was shockingly easy).
Have they announced the new dean yet? Because I'm kind of curious as to what approach he or she will take, whether the house will indeed be cleaned out and whether the law school can get its act together in terms of serving students well. |
Date: September 3rd, 2009 7:55 PM Author: Concupiscible dilemma clown Incomprehensible grading system + very small law review (which I'm told is kept small by the editors to boost their own job/clerkship prospects). Not suprising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663230) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 7:56 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender they won't fall too far, but their grip on their current spot is seriously weakening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663235) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 7:58 PM Author: dashing institution I predict Chicago = Michigan in a few years
Not flame. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:02 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender yeah, that's where i see it. 20 years ago Chicago had a unique intellectual angle but that's basically gone. now it's just a top school in a shittty site, with NYU, Northwestern, Berkeley and others nibbling away at Chicago's status. if it were solidly No. 4, you'd go there because that's the price you pay. But once it hits 6-7, there's no magic there. at that point, it begins a slide to 10-12ville. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663269) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:04 PM Author: dashing institution "now its just a top school in a shittty site"
Even the "top school" designation is relative at this point. IMO, top schools = HYS. The second tier is CN. I would argue that Chicago is tier three among "top schools" at this point, and looking down at a steep and imminent decline from here on out. Frankly I think that Chicago has more in common with MVP than CN at this point - or if that's not an accurate appraisal in 2009, it will be in the near future. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:06 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender yeah. and i said shittty site, not state. being the top school next to one of the top legal markets really helps Chicago. but the actual setting is shittty. if Northwestern gets any traction with its b-school model, Chicago will feel more pain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663306) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:07 PM Author: dashing institution ah, corrected. ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663313) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:07 PM Author: Underhanded Corner *is brian leiter*
*throws a hissy fit* |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:08 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender to leiter, the sole point is the reputation of the scholars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663317) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 12:01 AM Author: Jet appetizing travel guidebook S is a mythical wonderland that doesn't really amount to shit. If anyone is or should be falling in the ranks, it's S. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12665157) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: Green crotch This. Stanford is really really shitty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666713) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 11:09 AM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
...Yeah all the Stanford kids are lucky dumbs who just wish they had the brainpower to hack it at Chicago.
yfwgi nigger |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:01 PM Author: dashing institution Of all of the people that I know who attend or attended (in the past few years) Chicago, none of them got into HYS. I can't say the same for all of the NYU/Columbia people I know.
Most of the Chicago students were also dinged by at least one (or any many by both) of C/N. Again, can't say the same for most of the NYU/Columbia people I know.
It really is becoming the school of last resort for people who are desperate to get into a "T6" school but who are really reaching hard for it and getting in by the skin of their teeth if at all. I would say that the current student body at Chicago is probably significantly weaker than at any of HYS and notably weaker than even at Columbia/NYU at this point. As Renada is fond of pointing out, Chicago seems to have the most 'deadwood' in their class of any of the traditional top schools, and possibly even more than at at least some of MVP. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:03 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender Good point. It was always an odd fit in that top cluster, given the shitty location. Now that its slide has begun there's really not much it can do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663282) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:39 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy foreskin I turned down Chicago for ND. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663447) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:39 PM Author: richard clock despite uc being a ttt in decline, this was an objectively terrible decision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663448) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:40 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy foreskin I chopped off 125K in debt, didn't live in Hyde Park, watched D-I football, and still got a V100 firm job. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663452) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:43 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye You did the right thing. Look below to see how ND probably places better in clerkships for the top of the class.
(Waits for shitty trolls to say that all of the Chicago kids are going to SCOTUS feeders and all of the ND kids are going to third rate Magistrate judges...lol suuure.) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:44 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy foreskin Not going to lie, I know a couple of people with 170+ LSATs who made the wrong decision going to ND as they're in the bottom half of the class. But just about everyone I know who self-selected ND over a higher-ranked school did extremely well and is better off for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663473) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 12:04 AM Author: Jet appetizing travel guidebook ND? Wustl of Indiana? Objectively better choice than Chicago? Dream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12665192) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 1:46 AM Author: Light nubile hall You got lucky. I'd rather invest money than put it on a roulette game, but some people making the gamble will be much better off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666092) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:51 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Well I might be a unicorn I got into Columbia and NYU and specifically chose Chicago since it was a big city where my now spouse could work and we wouldn't be insanely poor. I actually know a decent number of people in the same exact position. There are, shockingly, jobs in Chicago. And it is massively cheaper than NY. And I got into Stanford but got a shitty financial aid package. So, yeah. It happens. Or at least it did when I went there.
So, yeah. We exist.
And I was a shockingly unimpressive big law associate who pulled a district court and COA clerkship. I work in the gov't now. |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 4:56 AM Author: Green crotch You are like the only good female poster on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666717) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:14 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666971) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:09 PM Author: Titillating Chestnut Plaza Juggernaut titcop
It's been awhile since we've had a good Chicago bashing and it's always well deserved. That school is on the quick decline and it seems to be going down the shitter amazingly fast. I mean it's a 'good year' now when it's tied with fucking Berkeley and beating Penn these days for chrissakes.
"T10" (aka MVPBC) in 5-10 years, tops. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:12 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender whatever you think of berkeley's crazies, you have to admit that living around SF beats the Chicago location. weather, neighborhood. and if you're picking a school on prestige, no. 8 is basically the same as no. 7 or no. 6. so Chicago is dropping. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663331) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:13 PM Author: Titillating Chestnut Plaza Juggernaut Hell I would honestly pick either Ann Arbor or Charlottesville over Hyde fucking Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663335) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:15 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender and it's exactly that kind of thinking that will hurt Chicago over the next 5-10 years. that's the choice that will make them drop.
who wouldn't want softball, mild weather, and good hiring prospects in DC over Hyde Park? |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:18 PM Author: motley free-loading blood rage newt God what a shit school. All the people that I know who go there are giant douchefaggots too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663354) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:24 PM Author: bateful lodge Clearly this list is mostly b.s. First of all, it is 1 year snapshot. Second of all, it lumps all Article III clerkships together. So magistrate court in Idaho = 2nd Circuit feeder judge. Clearly the clerks from Chicago (and Columbia, etc.) are more likely to be in top clerkships than Suffolk.
FWIW, Columbia and NYU rank below Chicago, which ranks below... several shit schools.
Jesus fucking Christ, University of North Dakota is #2 on the list, ahead of Harvard and Stanford. This tells you nothing. Also these shitlaw smallstate grads (like ND) end up getting every magistrate and district court clerkship in the entire state, since there is only one law school for a few hundred miles. That is why those numbers are wildly inflated. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: motley free-loading blood rage newt Fine - then feel free to explain why various lower T14 schools also kick Chicago's ass while you're at it. Unlike Chicago, Columbia and NYU don't pretend to be "clerkship powerhouses" (perhaps because they offer other things, like legitimate prestige and excellent and desirable location/placement into the NYC market?), so don't just point to their similarly low ranking and wave your hands around as though that makes it all better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663388) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:40 PM Author: Magenta library kitty tbf vagistrate judges are Art I, not Art III so I understand you've not taken fed courts... |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:25 PM Author: claret swashbuckling party of the first part i disagree with your shoddy analysis, counsel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663381) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:27 PM Author: motley free-loading blood rage newt Gee I wonder what school you attended? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663389) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:31 PM Author: claret swashbuckling party of the first part quite insightful, counsel.
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:28 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender seriously, when Posner and Easterbrook die or are incapacitated, it will hurt Chicago even more. they already lost cass and epstein. at that point, their biggest name professor will be a specialist in nietzsche. wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663395) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:31 PM Author: motley free-loading blood rage newt That's the problem when you try and build a "Great" school that's entirely centered around a cult of personalities in a shit location with good but not great students - after the personalities die or leave, you're fucked and everything else being propped up by them quickly goes to pot entirely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663408) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:34 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender they haven't been able to sustain that intellectual rigor that inspired awe. coase, posner, becker, and all the other "chicago" names are played out. scalia said as much when he called out chicago for failing to maintain that special brand of intellect. now it's just more of the same that you can find at any top school.
and harvard and yale suck the best profs out of rival schools these days. hell, hot professors know that living in DC, where the law is, and teaching at Georgetown is better than spending your life in Hyde Park. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:38 PM Author: claret swashbuckling party of the first part subtle Obamassiah bashing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663441) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:40 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender lol. actually, epstein publicly called out obama and said that obama hadn't even "stepped up to plate to take a swing." obama knows his limitations. he didn't try to write anything serious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663453) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Impressive Stage link to scalia bashing u of c? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663615) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:11 PM Author: topaz crackhouse http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/1168064,scalia091708.article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663645) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:15 PM Author: Impressive Stage ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663669) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Scalia's problem with Chicago is Obama It was a political comment.
When I went there (2005) Scalia came and said it was the only elite law school that required rigor of its students during a guest lecture.
It will be interesting to see Obama as an emeritus. And to see the presidential library in hyde park or at the law school. Chicago is an odd duck, but it does pull an odd sense of prestige from judges. Although they need to get their act together on the PR front because the law school has been insanely stupid about its reputation.
And this was the quarter when I took Obama's con law class. Seriously. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:16 PM Author: Impressive Stage i can tell you their admissions process is sloppy. it turned me off to the whole institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663672) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:23 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Uh, how is it sloppy? Do you work in the admin office?
I do not think they're not GPA whores since they do admit a fair share of people from schools that do not have inflation. But I dunno. It's not Boalt.
Chicago doesn't give full rides. That's actually kind of its problem. Because it's not the actual full ride. It's the possibility of getting one that lures someone to attend after admit weekend (when they get a partial). |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:28 PM Author: Impressive Stage no, i meant the shitty disorganized way they run admissions. i'm sure there's some logic to it, but i can't identify it. that's why i go to another t6.
edit: mainly the way they treat applicants |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:33 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: fair is fair And I hope the new Dean cleans the admissions house. Because holy hell they suck at selling Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663846) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:34 PM Author: Impressive Stage yes. yes they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663855) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:41 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
I know a little something about "fair", and To be fair to the admissions house at Chicago it would still be tough to sell dogshit even if you spray painted it gold and poured perfume on it first. |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:28 AM Author: Coiffed very tactful chapel hi chancemeeting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666786) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:43 PM Author: Copper beady-eyed den gaping there is nothing to like about Hyde Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663931) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:23 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Unless You are a married. Or an African American who wants to attend a school on a campus where you won't be harassed by the police. Or if you're wanting to live in a college campus that is basically a college campus. Hyde Park is kind of amazing. Don't be a racist dick (coming from a white lady who knows better).
Hyde park is an upper middle class neighborhood that is insanely diverse. If you have a hard time with black professionals you might not like hyde park. And you might be racist. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:25 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine aversion to boredom and mugging isn't racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664310) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:28 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Then living in the east village Isn't going to save you from being mugged.
And if you want that sexy drunk 21 year fun, move to Lincoln Park.
And I kind of heart how quiet it can be at midnight. Because I don't love the drunk pukey girl outside of my window. Personal preference. Hyde Park is basically Brooklyn. IMHO. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:30 PM Author: Impressive Stage not wanting to live in a shitty area =/= racist, hth pussy liberal faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664372) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:36 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: You fucking tool If you're right. I'm a dyke. And anyone wouldn't get that fact is an idiot.
And Hyde Park isn't shitty. I actually liked the area when I lived there. And yes. You are racist. And homophobic apparently. I can't wait for xoxo posts to be pulled by the Senate confirmation committee. It is going to be so sexy press wise. Say hi to Google! |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:02 PM Author: Impressive Stage lol faggot
you apparently are too stupid to see the irony of my response.
you sling an arbitrary insult - "racist" - and i sling one back.
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:09 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: I haz the irony too but you know who doesn't? google.
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:41 PM Author: Copper beady-eyed den gaping my comment had nothing to do with race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664469) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:46 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: then it had to do With the quiet nature of hyde park. And that is wholly independent, yes, but a part of that neighborhood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664511) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:49 PM Author: Copper beady-eyed den gaping it's also a heavily policed area, and I hate cops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664529) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:00 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Jesus Yes. The police are around.
I'm guessing you're probably pissed you can't smoke weed without being arrested. Damn. Laws. Punishing everyone the same.Boo! (sarcasm). |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:44 PM Author: Copper beady-eyed den gaping you make a lot of baseless assumptions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664976) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:31 PM Author: richard clock fuck, theyre still rolling out ronnie coase at the age of 99 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663413) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:35 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender a living relic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663428) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:37 PM Author: topaz crackhouse how about this analysis. http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=75513 |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:38 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender christ, just above notre fucking dame in percentage and in absolute numbers? that's unreal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663443) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:40 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy foreskin ND is a clerkship powerhouse. ND boasts a disproportionately high percentage of federal judges (along with UF), and many judges like getting Catholic conservatives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663450) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:42 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender hey i'm impressed. but i'm also a little shocked that chicago is running as hard as it can to stay barely in front of notre dame. that was news to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663462) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:43 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy foreskin I definitely agree with the sentiment in this thread. If this were 20 years ago, and Chicago were an economic libertarian-leaning powerhouse, really providing a unique contribution, I'd probably take it in a heartbeat. Now, it's filled with Leiters and people just shoved in to try to prop up the rankings. It's lost its distinctive feel. Well, it's distinctively rigorous, which makes it competitive, which makes it miserable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663471) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:45 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye cr.
"Come to cold, desolate Hyde Park and you can pay full price to work twice as hard while surrounded by even more miserable and socially awkward assholes in order to scrounge up the exact same career/clerking prospects that you would get at a lower T14 (or fucking Notre Dame) with a scholarship and something resembling a balanced life!"
No thanks. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:41 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye A quick look at some schools with comparable class sizes:
Yale = 68/183 Stanford = 41/175 -- FUCKING CORNELL = 21/188 -- Chicago = a pitiful 20/197 (Followed closely by TEH GODDAMN UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME, with 17/184.)
That's just pathetic. Chicago = PWN PWN PWN PWN PWN PWN PWN
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:43 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender but it's No. 1 in Nietzsche law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663468) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 1:45 AM Author: Snowy Orchestra Pit Useful stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666079) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:38 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye lol...the few half-hearted and quickly extinguished attempts by Chicago students to argue the point in this thread kind of say it all, don't they? Even they can't bring themselves to really fight this one.
They see the writing on the wall. I honestly wouldn't take Chicago full price over a lower t14 with a little bit (I'm not talking half price) of money at this point. That degree with be worth significantly less than it would have been a decade ago in another decade. The ship be sinking. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:46 PM Author: Federal Casino I'm not the school's biggest defender but that list is total shit. If you look at the types of clerkships that Chicago students typically get the difference in quality is huge. Pre-ITE only 10-15% of students wanted to clerk but were doing so with prestigious feeders, etc... The number of COA clerkships far outweigh the Dist/BK clerkships that students get so it's not a far leap to say that many more could get Dist/BK if they wanted to (I'm not even talking Magistrate judges in ND here).
I think the HP location hurts the school and we've definitely been bleeding faculty over the last few years but hopefully a new dean is going to come in and shake things up a bit. From what I understand Levmore was never that good at being dean and has a lot of enemies on the faculty - now that he's gone hopefully we can turn it around. E. Posner is leading the search committee so hopefully we can see a return to what Chicago was once known for.
I know of a handful of people who chose Chi over HYS (and lots over CN) but I wouldn't necessarily say that we're better than C or N but I also wouldn't lump us in the group below that. This hasn't been Chicago's best run in the last 10 years or so but I can say scenarios playing out where we return to prominence and in 10 years we're seeing HYC as the appropriate acronym. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:48 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye Please link to all of the ND/Cornell students going to third rate magistrate judges and all of the Chicago students going to SCOTUS feeders.
Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT HTMFH
"I know a handful of people who chose Chi over HYS (and lots over CN)"
No, you don't.
Sorry about your objectively tiny pink school bro. I just hope for your sake that you're not paying full price.
180 on your "HYC" trolling though, I actually laffed out loud at that one. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Federal Casino Yes I do know people who chose Chi over HYS. I can't prove it to you so believe me or don't, I don't care.
I only have access to the Chicago clerkship manual and can speak about the clerkships that our grads have gotten. If you've have access to the Cornell/other T14 list let's compare notes. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:51 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine why did so many folks dislike levmore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663514) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:04 PM Author: Federal Casino Not sure why - I didn't like him personally but I don't have any other deans to compare him against. I've met a handful of alumni who were pleased as punch that he was leaving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663594) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:14 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Oh lord I got a 181 in his class and I can't fucking stand him. We exist because, motherfucker, the rule does matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663665) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:27 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine i've met him; he seemed to think highly of himself. but did that detract from his efficacy as dean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663781) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:32 PM Author: Federal Casino Not sure; I don't think he gelled well with Sunstein/Epstein and the old guard at the school so we lost a lot of faculty over the last 7-8 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663836) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:39 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine yes a number of big losses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663897) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:44 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: He is shitty Because he wasn't about improving the law school. He was about improving his reputation.
If he wanted to fix some of the fundamental problems that Chicago has, he would have worked to address the whole location issue (being in hyde park) and would have realized what the Hutch was doing in driving down the actual clerkship numbers. Chicago's admins are shockingly shitty. And Columbia's and NYU's are some of the most brilliant in the field. That's an uphill battle. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:47 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine you recommend that uofc pull a northwestern? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663956) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:11 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: I think Chicago Should be honest as to what it is, which it fucking fails at doing. Across the board. It will never be NW. But in terms of clerking, Chicago is almost better than Stanford. Because my friends who were a 177 landed a federal D.Clerkship. and that was brilliant. And wouldn't have been mentioned by the Hutch. Or U of C. Which is why the place sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664153) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:13 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy if what you mean is there is no faculty support, you are spot fucking on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664175) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:32 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: That is Exactly what I mean. Chicago sucks because the alums discover after years of being told you're nothing special you are ten times more intelligent and in demand than the typical top 10 law grad. That breed bitterness. And cuts against them getting funding from the rich folks who can donate to the law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664397) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:12 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy It's good to hear that I'm not the only one who feels like the school hangs us up to dry and forgets about us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664659) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:17 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine oh i was just wondering what you meant by "work[ing] to address the whole location issue (being in hyde park)." besides moving away from the main campus and into the city proper, a la northwestern (actually i don't think nu law ever moved, but you catch the point), what else might be done? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664218) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:23 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Chicago Is insanely dumb about pointing out that most people who hate hyde park live up north or in the south loop and just drive down.
And it's also insanely stupid about pointing out how insanely cheap hyde park is for graduate students. You'd think they'd put together a cross comparison comparing the subsized apt you'd get at NYU and Columbia, for instance, with the one you'd get from U of C. But they don't. Because they suck. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:57 PM Author: Magenta library kitty Every time I see this UofC grade shit, I think you're talking about your friends' LSAT scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12665102) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:13 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy i recommend that uofc pull a chernobyl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664163) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:36 PM Author: hairraiser amethyst cruise ship 180^hizzla (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664437) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:43 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine i rarely enjoy hizzla humor, but this is good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664488) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:16 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Locale explain "pulling a Northwestern" plz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664209) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:27 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Uh, kid There is actually a New York aversion in the world outside of NY. If you're from Texas, for instance, Chicago would serve you better because there is a much, much larger number of people who move there from there than NYU.
In fact, it is easier to land a job in NY from Chicago than NYU or Columbia because you're not competing with your entire class who wants to live in NY. Not wanting to troll. But it's not a fair comparison. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:29 PM Author: topaz crackhouse self-selection is a myth. shut the FUCK up. i'm so fucking sick and tired of this myth. yes, i bet the fact that summer classes, partners, and so forth at v100 nyc firms are 2-5x heavier with cls or nyu grads rather than u-c grads is really a testament that chicago is just so dandy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663795) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:31 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye It clearly has NOTHING to do with the fact that both NYU and Columbia are better, more respected schools with better firm placement. There must be an alternative explanation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663830) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:33 PM Author: topaz crackhouse gmu grads do just as well in nyc as fordham grads. there's a lot of self-selection to dc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663850) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:42 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
Goddamn this was a retarded post |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:43 PM Author: topaz crackhouse sarcasm dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663927) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:47 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
Ah my apologies then, the sad thing is that I mistook the tone here because I could easily picture some pissant little Chicago kid seriously making this horrible argument ITT. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:18 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Oh my God. It is soooooooo a myth.
That is why the white dude who works at Skadden who graduated between 2003-2007 had a 174 GPA. Because I am making shit up. Of course. |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:15 AM Author: topaz crackhouse you're right, median at CLS and NYU could never get skadden. *rolls eyes* |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:28 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: Uh, I guess that's why he lucked out Because a 174 is basically the bottom quarter of the class. Hmm. Maybe no one really does understands our grading system! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12667018) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:29 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine i think i'd prefer the student body at chicago to columbia and nyu (in part because douches self-select to nyc). but on a tangentially related note, hyde park really does suck bigtime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663806) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:30 PM Author: Impressive Stage but chicago kids are intolerable tools. so it's douche v. tool. you pick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663814) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:32 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye Wrong, Chicago kids tend to be toolish douches. Best of both worlds! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663835) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:34 PM Author: Impressive Stage ah, nice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663861) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:10 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy bahaha, no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664136) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:22 PM Author: startled fluffy shrine marginally more intellectual curiosity and marginally less prestige whoring (associated with both the need to go to the highest ranked school possible, or to live in the most important city possible) at uofc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664264) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:47 PM Author: domesticated shivering school cafeteria sandwich 180 thread. reminiscent of the xo of yore :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663486) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:48 PM Author: topaz crackhouse how about this. http://lawclerkaddict2009.blogspot.com/2008/09/percentage-of-clerks-by-school.html seems to match up with chicago's "GO BIG OR GO HOME" mentality. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye So Chicago is basically Penn/Virginia. Congratulations! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663546) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:58 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender it is, for now. but it doesn't have what it needs to stay there. it will slide down a few more notches. the mystique is gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663556) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 8:59 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye Cr. It's already getting reamed by CORNELL. Just think about that for a second. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663563) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:47 AM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: That stat basically proves that the rankings are wrong Since it only counts COA clerkships. Many many students go to a dist. court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12667082) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:27 PM Author: flesh irradiated piazza mental disorder UofC is a rancid TTT in decline, HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663777) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:28 PM Author: carnelian violent hell round eye In a nutshell, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663787) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:29 PM Author: Impressive Stage titcr
welcum to xoxo 2004 |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:33 PM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
Holy shit I logged onto XOXO and looked at the front page and it was like I had been sucked into a time warp and I was back in 2005 when XOXO was awesome and Chicago bashing threads got more traction than Rowan's relationship bullshit and BS's tiresome odysseys.
God bless you OP. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 9:37 PM Author: Impressive Stage titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12663878) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:26 AM Author: Coiffed very tactful chapel hi chancemeeting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666783) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:20 PM Author: stimulating meetinghouse It's a fine school with much rigour but having to live in Chicago for three years is inconceivable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664241) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:23 PM Author: Impressive Stage REPHRASE that in British English, tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664280) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 10:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz Bronze Deer Antler ttiwwomtg76
(This thread is worthless without MindTheGap76) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:13 PM Author: Umber Effete Therapy there was no need to translate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664672) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2009 11:41 PM Author: Ivory Sex Offender he was to Chicago what Kennedy was to the Senate -- the last lion, the end of an era. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12664951) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:46 AM Author: domesticated shivering school cafeteria sandwich lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666811) |
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Date: September 9th, 2009 1:14 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bronze Deer Antler Holy shit the MTG signal worked!
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1080628&mc=53&forum_id=2#12688324 |
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Date: September 9th, 2009 10:54 AM Author: judgmental karate Yeah, someone saw your post and IMed me about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12701740) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 1:50 AM Author: Snowy Orchestra Pit Date: October 30, 2003 07:02 AM
Author: .milkbag.
Subject: chicago..
How did it happen that making the tired claim that this ghetto shithole is UNDERrated became the signature conversation piece for people who desperately want to be thought smart; really, really smart. smart people love "rigor" and Chicago is full of it; it must be, what with its hair-splitting number grades, punishingly low enforced mean, and oppressive course load. Chicago boosterism usually comes in the form of a comparison with the appallingly UNrigorous Stanford or Yale -- gradeless, abundantly pass-fail, unserious; students who do nothing and know nothing. Chicago: graded, competitive, serious... That it's really just a ruptured ego rehab clinic for Harvard rejects is a fact not emphasized. I have seen a homely Chicago girl, deep into her second year, still spontaneously weeping upon Proustian recollections of the stiff NO Harvard sent her, in brisk three-week turnaround time from the point her doomed application was deemed complete. Happy December, chickiepoo. Then the Yale axe fell, as it does. Welcome to the New Year, dipshit. January passed; February crawled by with those joyless acceptances that only accentuated the horror of Plan B: Georgetown, which is a "Law Center," a failed euphemism if ever there was one. Next: woeful Cornell. Oh, what a very bad school. And -- what do we have here?!? -- a Boston University full-ride. Ummmm, no. On second thought in stead of BU I'd prefer the f free roasted dogshit mignon with a pus reduction sauce and a heaping blob of earwax garnish. Thank you no. I am woe. Add to that the fact that the imbecile whoalways posts about how Sean Hannity is a "serious thinker" just got into Harvard. Time for you to start some damage-control posting here, on the PR board, pretending to seriously consider this BU affront. You wave the flag of thrift and test out a quaintly anachronistic abhorrence of debt. Substantively, you add in some tommyrot about how BU's "really strong in ...'international law,' whatever the fuck that is. BU? Yeah, right. But you need something that gives the illusion that Georgetown, if it comes to that, isn't the three years incarcerated in a smegma chamber that it is. So good, so fine you'll drop the cash dollars despite that lovely gift from BU. You're forming a cover story; something to puff the very real and very nauseating prospect of joining 600 other defeated mediocrities at ... fuck, no ... Georgetown. And you thought going to college at Penn was bad. . Still, there are two more to hear from. Two more law schools ...There's that late April Stanford rejection (inconsiderate bastards) which at least affords you ample time to manufacture the next layer in the cover story: e.g., a strict policy against California, a suburban aversion, a preference for bigness, all of which eliminate Stanford from the sweepstakes. Be sure, too, to ridicule their tepid 25-75 LSAT %ile, too. Kill it dead, if you must. Maybe you thrust out of your frozen horror by sending off one of those strategic "withdrawal" letters, the way all those clowns do when Harvard puts them on hold ... ".you cant't fire me ... i quit! " Adios, Stanford. Suck my cunt, you no-SCOTUS-clerking/dike-dean-TTT. ... die, die, you gravy-sucking pig. .... and now, then, there is just one. Chicago. The Law School. Chicago does do that pathetic yield-maximizing stall, so February passes, March crawls. They haven't the nuts to try the ricockulous move Stanford does. So they write. Ever rigorous, The Law School requests the pleasure of your company. Not so fast . No decision has been made. They want to inspect you in person. The "evaluative interview. Looking for people skills. And evident thirst for knowledge. The life of the law is the law itself. It seems you've fucked up; quite possible3 when the went "behind the numbers." Maybe those two essay paragraphs about why the 171, exactly where you topped out in Kaplan, is a truer measure than the 164. maybe it was two paragraphs too many. You weren't an auto-admit. So off to the "evaluative interview," and you give them not much to evaluate. You stay on message, though: owing to its RIGOR, Chicage is now, and ever was, your FIRST CHOICE. Tell your audience what it wants to hear. Then they decide, engaging the only evaluation that matters in this gig. Looks like they can break even with your sorry ass. Median-wise, your 171 nullifies the 159 URM from Howard they took yesterday. They'll swallow your 3.46; sometimes that's the price of a yield-lock, and you're that. (No one's swallowing the Howard guy, if you catch my racy double entendre.) These admissions guys talk, as you suspected, and you wisely decide against telling them it had come down to Chicago or Harvard for you; first versus second choice; no choice at all. Never get caught lying. Bad idea, even worse than telling that stupid girl from Emory you were "a Kennedy." These things get found out. Like they say, no sense lying about your cock size. Turns out you didn't need to fake a bidding war. The usual stampede of all Chicago's best admitees are going to Y and H and S without so much as the courtesy of telling C to go pound sand. Why tell them what they already know? They need to fill place #143 of their famously teeny-weenie class. The assumed occupant got unheld at Harvard this morning; never so relieved, he had the audacity to ask Chicago for his deposit back. They don't need these headaches. You're in. They write, very pleased to offer admission; then a recital of just how "keen" the competition was for the few precious "seats" in the class of 2006; and, finally, a paragraph celebrating the legal profession with a toploftiness and richly felt purpose so precisely at variance with reality that you are unsettled by the suspicion that you might be the target of a satire so subtly corrosive that you will never connect it with the despair that will progress, exponentially; beginning as a persistent annoyance progressing into a pervasive physical and mental crapulence and ending in the crippling burden as lumber and writhe and tumble toward the epiphany. What epiphany is that? That this "career" of yours --BIGLAW! -- has somewhat less to recommend it than residence in the "shoe" at Pelican Bay. For now, though, the seed of tragic hopelessness finds expression in the "Law Discussion Area." You post -- IN AT CHICAGO -- and, without overtly lying, you manufacture the entirely erroneous impression that you "chose" Chicago, being also the originator of the CHICAGO v. HARVARD and YALE v. CHICAGO threads, under various of your insipid monikers, all selected from either Pulp Fiction or Friends. Be careful not to ass fuck your credibility, though. The purported Yale turn-down is a tough one to pull off. The "New Haven's-an-armpit" trope just doesn't pass the ha-ha test. It's too puny a reason to toss away a lifetime of being supposed a genius ... fuck it: always good to give your fabrications a little populist tint, not to mention a dollop of truth. Join the commiseration thread of Yale rejects; pretend to be sad for that Nuisance turd; be one of the masses for once. Getting rejected isn't the same thing as not getting in, You merely did not get in. You claim to have been wait-listed; and, with admirable maturity, you hold out no hope. Remember, too, this lie must be built on several fronts. Lard up the Harvard thread with grave concern about big classes, low morale, faculty acrimony, and speculation about a precipitous US News ranking drop. Throughout April, you go political, fulminating about Tribe and Dershowitz and how Duncan Kennedy drives a far-too-expensive car. to be a genuine socialist. Chicago's "conservative climate" is just a better fit for you; marginal cost curves figure in your every analytical moment; you read Posner opinions on the crapper; Coase is as important as Socrates. There is that little stinging glitch, though. Somehow Stanford neglected to process that request to quash your application, which is not favorably acted upon and this is memoriaized in a letter that suggests the Stanford Admissions Office ignores their LaserWriter Pro's TONER LOW warning. On May 7th they regret to inform and wish you well at any of the scores of other law schools that, they assure you "offer excellent programs of legal instruction." (Which, you have no doubt, they do. What they don't offer, is really the only important thing Stanford does offer: the opportunity to sit for three years with your thumb up your ass, comatose, and still get the job you'll have to bust nuts to get coming from whichever craphole you end up at.) It's sealed. An ugly, styleless maroon CHICAGO LAW, Champion sweatshirt has arrived, per your online order. You wear it, eliciting congratulations from the babe you want to rail. She's so happy for you, and you're so wrapped up in the fantasy of creaming on her tits you nearly miss perky aside that her boyfriend remains in the throes of elation from his admission to Yale, back in January. Throughout the summer, you bookmark links that embody the wisdom US News lacks. Your are heading off, soon, to your own first choice, which also places first in a ranking produced by the rigorous methodology conceived by a statistician from the University of Maryland Baltimore County. That Harvard tied for #14 undermines your confidence in the ranking diminishes the likelihood it will supplant US News' preeminence. So you go. Your Hyde Park apartment is actually rather nice. Your housemate went to Harvard College. One night, instead of jacking off before sleep, you register as an active component of your self-conception the notion that, transitively, your housemate's undergraduate credential nullifies the Harvard rejection that left you lusterless and unlaid at your senior prom, -- and has persisted as a gnawing ache, going on five years. You are now on equal footing with a Harvard graduate. Should your law school prowess exceed his -- say a 75 in Torts to his 74 -- you will once and for all flick away the scab of that Harvard wound. First cut is the deepest. As it turns out, your housemate is an engaging, witty fellow. He's porking the big bosomed lady with the Dutch accent. Wow! He offers to you, his new chum, the story of his own execution -- by lethal injection -- as expected, he painlessly relates, by the HLS admission staff. You pretend to explore what might have caused things to go awry, flatulating the usual fatuousness about Harvard being excessively "numbers driven," the "arbitrariness" of it all, dangling the threat of going on at some length, when he offers up the only information you genuinely care to know about him: : 178/3.34 ..Of course some one will inevitably have the 6th percentile college GPA in every HLS class; probably not a white guy from Greenwich, though. Friendship is built through reciprocity. So you tell your own story. You attempt to weave compassion into the telling of your story, being careful not to appear boastful about not just possessing, but discarding something he does not possess. HLS. Dreamy, So, your story: the grueling back-and-forth ... one day it's Chicago, the next Harvard; the hardest decision you've ever made; that feeling of immense responsibility to yourself; discovering and summoning the emotional maturity to pierce the specious veil that is prestige. With the bearing of a battle weary soldier you tell what it is to do something rarely done -- circumnavigate the Earth, dunk a basketball on a regulation hoop, turn down Harvard Law School . You picked Chicago. You chose, you adorable little existentialist. You are not exposed, chiefly because this a shared lie, Community glue. (Postscript: Throughout the 1Lyear you and your housemate discover much commonality, He, too, prefers the Stones to the Beatles. You both smoke pot. neither is circumcised. You've each fucked 5 girls; gotten head from several others. Each of you applies to transfer. He gets into HLS. He turns down Harvard Law School. Of course no two people are exactly alike. Your desire to transfer wanes around the time Stanford and Yale's decisions on your transfer applications reach you by mail. You begin the CHIGAGO 1L TAKING QUESTIONS thread. One of your alter ego monikers asks simply: how do you like Chicago. You love it. You wouldn't go anywhere else and, you note, there were other places you could have gone. Same for your housemate. He transfers to Yale.)
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Date: September 4th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: seedy charismatic shitlib public bath i can't believe i hadn't experienced this before, thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666714) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 5:17 AM Author: Green crotch 1 fucking 80. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666731) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 8:43 AM Author: Mischievous Spot was that a renada post? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12666805) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:35 AM Author: anal address ape To be fair,
More like that was THE Renada post.
The Chicago Post : Renada :: Law & Economics Boom : The University of Chicago
Also coincidentally both have been on the slow and steady decline ever since. |
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Date: November 24th, 2009 6:38 AM Author: seedy charismatic shitlib public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#13355379) |
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Date: September 4th, 2009 10:27 AM Author: passionate brass incel toaster Moar like a douchebag powerhouse, amirite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12667015) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:37 AM Author: judgmental karate A friend sent me a link to this thread a few days back. I tried to respond and discovered that my IP got banned in the past year or so since I last posted from home. That's fixed now, but I feel like I missed the boat on this thread. So I think I'll just make one quick comment and see if there's still any life here:
I see Hutch taking a beating. I had a pretty good experience with him, but I've heard a lot of mixed reviews like the above from other people. I think it is worth pointing out that he does a *lot* of behind-the-curtains work for which he doesn't get much credit. Maybe that is something not unique to Hutch; perhaps anybody in charge of running clerkships for a major school would do the same string-pulling. Still, a lot of Chicago alums have him to thank for their clerkship.
I finished my clerkship last week and have some time off now, so I'll be around to answer questions. (Maybe I should start a separate thread?) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: flesh irradiated piazza mental disorder New thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686497) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:43 AM Author: Electric Codepig TBF, if I'm remembering correctly is it not the case that you (1) had a skyhigh gpa, (2) were on LR, and (3) attended Chicago back when it was a little bit more respected than it is now?
I don't have a pony in this race but it seems to me that Top 10%/LR/T6 school doesn't need some old man "pulling strings" to get a kickass COA clerkship...and if that old man is actually fucking over people lower in the class by giving them bad advice that discourages them from trying to get clerkships that they are otherwise actually competitive for precisely in order to make the kids like you look more awesome by comparison (and to make himself look more awesome for "helping" them get those clerkships), that makes him a fucking dirty piece of shit who should be fired.
Feel free to poke holes in my argument. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:53 AM Author: judgmental karate (1) My GPA peaked at something like top 15%, which was when I was applying for clerkships; I had a terrible 3L year and ended up not even graduating with honors. (2) I wasn't on any journal. (3) I graduated in '08, so I doubt a huge difference in just a year.
I don't think the premise of your second comment is correct. Although I agree that he shouldn't be down on so many people. I think he should give his pessimistic assessment but then admit that getting a clerkship is a process that involves a lot of luck, so you should apply anyway and just not get your hopes up.
EDIT: It would be helpful if Chicago raised the cap on clerkship applications. When I was applying, the limit was 50 (and I believe that hasn't changed). Most of our peer schools have a limit of 100, and as reported by ATL, some of those schools lifted the limit in response to increased clerkship apps ITE. The current cap limits the ability of marginal students to apply broadly to both COA and D Cts. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:58 AM Author: Electric Codepig fair, I guess I was confusing you with another poster.
Reading this thread, I think it's clear that at least with some above-median students this guy is more than "pessimistic" - he basically sounds like he shits on them, tells them that they're worthless and that they will hurt the school and hurt their peers if they try to get a clerkship, and does everything in his power to make them feel like a failure for even wasting his time. This is all obviously second hand info to me but if that's even close to the truth I stand by everything that I said. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 12:03 PM Author: judgmental karate I've heard of him being extremely pessimistic (along the lines of "You don't have top 10% grades and you aren't on a journal, so a COA clerkship is unrealistic.") But I haven't heard stories of him telling people that they are hurting the school/their peers. Some other Chicago student feel free to tell me if I'm wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686566) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 2:41 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: He literally told me I was wasting my time. As an alum. He was a fucking dick head, abrupt, unprofessional and an all around asshole. After I landed my COA clerkship, he tried to kiss and make up but I literally told him to fuck himself. When I did my D. Court clerkship, I didn't even bother talking to him.
He is fucking useless. Glad you feel like he helped you land a clerkship you would have landed on your own. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 2:43 PM Author: judgmental karate He didn't give me any help (that I know of). His only feedback when I showed him my judge list was to point out a couple of judges he thought were out of my range, and then he said "You'll get something."
I got my clerkship from the recommendations you made below around building relationships, which I agree is critical. In fact, for that reason, I got kind of irrationally annoyed when I saw UChicago apps from students I didn't know. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 2:37 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: No. He Doesn't. And the sort of people who get his help, truly truly do not need it. He is an utter fail at working with the 178 journal kid who can easily land a clerkship but doesn't apply because the Hutch shits all over his or her plans. He fucking sucks. Is responsible for the idiot failure of not reporting the accurate clerkship numbers to US News and I am counting down the days until he either retires or just goes off into the sunset. He is also the reason I will never, ever give a cent to the shit hole that is U of C. It's a fantastic school but it's refusal to take him out behind the shed speaks volumes about the school's priorities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12687526) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:47 AM Author: Concupiscible dilemma clown Why do UC students need some centralized wheeler-dealer (Hutch) to advise them and coordinate their clerkship applications? Can't they just send apps to whomever the fuck they want, or does he play some role in distributing who goes where (and if so, why can't students bypass his influence)? Maybe my school did this differently, but someone please explain why this guy is so important? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686519) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:55 AM Author: judgmental karate Hutch is the "clerkship advisor," so most students set up a meeting with him to get input on their judge list. But you can apply to whoever you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686536) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 11:58 AM Author: Concupiscible dilemma clown If students can apply to whomever they want, and there's little marginal cost to additional applications, why does he get thrown under the bus for students' lack of success? Does he hint to profs which students they're recommending stand at the top of the pack? Does he tell people NOT to apply to certain judges that were already on their list? Our school had a clerkship advisor too, who provided similar advice, but the advisor's role seemed little more than a source of common advice in case some 2L didn't know 3Ls or others with knowledge of the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686552) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: Electric Codepig "is H that pessimistic? i was taking him seriously when he indicated i'd have a hard time getting a passable clerkship because i didn't make the ed board.
Top 20%, LR, v1 firm"
[From a post above.]
I'm sorry, I think that telling someone in the Top Quarter + LR + Wachtell that they're going to struggle for COA "because they didn't make the editorial board" makes you a piece of fucking shit. But admittedly thats, just, like, my opinion, man. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: judgmental karate I don't think he plays any particular role in recommendations outside of SCOTUS apps. For SCOTUS, they try to make sure that there is a distribution of recs so that one prof isn't recommending five or six apps. I don't know the exact details of how it works, because I didn't apply.
He does tell students that they don't have a chance with certain judges. For example, when I brought him my list, he told me that without law review, I didn't have a shot with Judge McConnell. So I took McConnell off and put another judge in his place.
As I added in edit to my previous post, I think Chicago should raise the cap on applications. Right now, you are limited to 50. Between my broad COA list and all the Texas district court judges I was applying to, I maxed my 50 out. If they upped the limit to 100 (which is what it is at most of our peer schools), I would have been more likely to throw apps at judges that I thought I didn't have a chance with. I've since learned that I probably would have been fairly competitive for a few of the judges that I left off. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 12:25 PM Author: khaki balding stage extremely interesting, informative posts; i knew none of this about clerkships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12686645) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 1:42 PM Author: Curious iridescent boiling water If that 50 judge limit wasn't raised/eliminated this year I wouldn't expect great results for Chi's clerkship placement next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12687164) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 1:44 PM Author: Electric Codepig Wait are you trying to suggest that The University of Chicago The Law School may be fucking itself - and its students - over by implementing retarded policies that will continue to drag it down in the rankings and in the hearts and minds of practitioners across the land?
/*\ SIREN! /*\ |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 1:51 PM Author: judgmental karate Mostly anecdotally, I think we're already doing pretty well. I have e-mails confirming 7 alumni for COA, and I can think of a fair number of 2Ls who already have COA off-plan.
Still, I agree that the 50-judge cap needs to go. I am still on the clerkship e-mail list, and I don't recall anything being sent out that changed the cap for this year. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 3:53 PM Author: Federal Casino Current 3L here, start a new MTG thread.
50 cap is still in effect; I sent in a list of ~90 and OCS made me cut it down.
I'd like to get an idea where you think top 10, 15, 25, 33% of the class is. Not having any hard data on this makes applying for some things difficult. |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:01 PM Author: Curious iridescent boiling water Did they give a reason for the 50 judge cap? Seems really odd given what peer schools have done ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688082) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:04 PM Author: Federal Casino They wouldn't budge, cited the diminishing usefulness of your recommenders when dct judge x in WY talks to dct judge y in NH and realizes you spammed the whole country. It still seems ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688110) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:09 PM Author: Curious iridescent boiling water I don't buy it. That rationale would make sense if every top school had a limit, but when pretty much every other peer school has told students and alumni that anything goes this year I don't think many judges are going to care about spammers. Also, I'm not sure I understand the connection between spamming judges and usefulness of recommenders, unless Chicago professors are required to make every single LOR a unique snowflake that's tailored to each individual judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688145) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:15 PM Author: Federal Casino I agree completely but as has been noted elsewhere, the powers that be seem to want to limit the number of people who actually get clerkships so that they can say "95% of students who choose to clerk go to SCOTUS feeders." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688180) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:14 PM Author: Curious iridescent boiling water Not to mention that it's paternalistic--shouldn't the applicant make the tradeoff between the benefits of fewer (but tailored) and many (but generic) applications? I can see the school wanting to discourage the latter because it imposes more costs on the school, but that's not the reason the school is giving for the limit. Plus, if you're targeting multiple secondary markets (say you really want to be in a small town) there's a very real chance NH and WY judges communicating with each other might think you're a spammer even if you're sticking to the 50 judge limit (which the judges may not even know about). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688172) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:18 PM Author: Federal Casino Like I said, the rule seems ridiculous. I have good/very good ties to 3 secondary markets and I wanted to apply to all COA/Dist Cts in those market but couldn't. I'm a marginal candidate and thought if I could hit all of the judges in those 3 I could end up getting something. We'll see when Friday rolls around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12688198) |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 4:37 PM Author: judgmental karate Alright, started another thread:
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1080628&mc=1&forum_id=2 |
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Date: September 7th, 2009 2:34 PM Author: Milky theater stage useless brakes Subject: They Don't Need Him He is actually kind of useless (see above) is the tenured pre-law advisor at U of C and teaches a class or two at the law school. I repeat. He sucks. And law students and alums who want to clerk need to bypass him, work on building relationships with professors and people you intern/work for and just go it alone. If anything, he drags the numbers down and lacks any significant insight into the district court clerkships outside of a narrow sphere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#12687509) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 3:03 PM Author: topaz crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#13309860) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:57 PM Author: amber stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#14013091) |
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Date: June 9th, 2010 5:21 PM Author: amber stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15202393) |
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Date: June 10th, 2010 7:11 AM Author: spectacular laser beams liquid oxygen I like how every single UChicago clerk is clerking for an Article III judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15207927) |
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Date: June 21st, 2010 11:30 AM Author: Slap-happy brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15304404) |
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Date: June 21st, 2010 11:36 AM Author: Jet-lagged learning disabled rehab The link actually looks great for chicago, now. Did it get updated or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15304428) |
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Date: July 14th, 2010 3:28 PM Author: amber stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#15505819) |
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Date: September 28th, 2010 3:11 PM Author: flirting dull fortuitous meteor yarmulke 5th isn't bad, especially when it's above CN and every other T14, except HYS & Duke (wtf?)
The link merely proves what I've suspected all along: UofGa, Emory, W&L, and UNC are all objectively better schools than NYU.
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Date: September 28th, 2010 3:37 PM Author: Comical clear state Tell that to all the unemployed Emroy and W&L 3Ls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#16164878) |
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Date: September 28th, 2010 3:53 PM Author: flirting dull fortuitous meteor yarmulke I will. You tell all the unemployed NYU 3L's they went to a better school than the Emroy Article III clerks.
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:16 PM Author: amber stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1077978&forum_id=2#17379344) |