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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:41 AM Author: razzle circlehead school LOLOL yes, let's find a way to give black students MOAR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/12/do-professors-like-anonymous-grading.html |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:59 AM Author: buck-toothed light stage Participation grades already exist and could, presumably, be made larger.
The only purpose of this proposal is to manupulate grades on an ad hoc basis in order to get the desired result. And that smells a lot like affirmative action. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: Copper native water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546699) |
Date: December 14th, 2009 10:51 AM Author: glittery orchestra pit digit ratio lol, this argument makes no sense whatsoever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546650) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:50 PM Author: Carnelian contagious pocket flask sort of because you've never made higher than a C in English
the blog's argument is novel and compelling, but I'm not really persuaded |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:53 PM Author: magical floppy brunch What is novel about it? This was the original argument about 5 years ago to do away with finals in UG or at least take away part of their weight in hard sciences. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: Carnelian contagious pocket flask i've never seen it, and haven't seen the argument in the time I paid attention to pedagogy
sorry I didn't attend a TTT blind grading UG where this shit was debated
if what you say is true, it is not novel, but compelling nonetheless |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:27 PM Author: magical floppy brunch Um... no I went to HYPSM for UG, however, I heard this same argument when I was about 16...
It was a cover for AA admits and kissups then too
If this is compelling to you, thank you populism for allowing mentally disabled people like you to vote. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:56 AM Author: Copper native water buffalo If I was grading his post blindly, I would give it a C+ due to his piss poor reasoning, but if I knew the author was a professor, I would give it an F. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546672) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: beady-eyed cream patrolman indian lodge All those Asians in the top 10% are making the school look racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546675) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: glittery orchestra pit digit ratio Asians tend to be in the second 10% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546778) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: buck-toothed light stage If the author is sincere about needing to link the author and the text, why not simply conduct a seminar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546689) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: razzle circlehead school i assume he believes he can learn the authorial intent of all 100 students in his intro to torts course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546690) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy toaster If he knows their skin color then he knows enough for his purposes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546695) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:42 PM Author: Sticky home nowag Blind grading protects profs, too, from accusations of racism. If the profs knew who wrote what exam, there is simply no way they could give no As to blacks. If they did so, they would be called into the dean's office, BALSA would hold campus protests, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550366) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:17 AM Author: Haunting Dopamine "We have all had the student that we think is bound for great things do poorly on our exam and the deadbeat student get a B+ (or even an A-)."
Exactly why blind grading is necessary. Profs assumptions are wrong and the "deadbeat" is actually a legal all-star while the kid "destined for great things" is just a loud mouth.
I have a sneaky suspicion that many of profs think I'm a deadbeat yet I have 6 A's and 2 B's. It must drive them nuts. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: glittery orchestra pit digit ratio I know right! If anything this guy makes me happy about blind grading, given his admission that he wants to screw with results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546775) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:28 PM Author: Alcoholic Doobsian Stag Film Wrinkle i would also be a deadbeat according to most profs. always in class but never volunteer and if called on generally fumble the ball - but I've gotten mostly all A's. i know i shocked a few professors meeting with them after grades were released. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547540) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:42 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Sounds familiar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550380) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: Supple greedy dysfunction kitchen tcr. One class I went to only about 1/3 of the time and got the book award. when I asked the prof for a LOR later on, his response was, "Who are you?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547546) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: odious bisexual trust fund did he give you the lor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547554) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:40 PM Author: flushed aphrodisiac church You should have gone to some "office hours." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547607) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: odious bisexual trust fund titcr. this guy is just trolling for gunners. because he was probably a gunner in ls as well. blind grading is necessary to combat these pre-existing biases. the person with the greatest need to be heard is not nexessarily the guy with the strongest legal analysis skill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547551) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:36 PM Author: elite hideous whorehouse cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547575) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: irradiated bistre twinkling uncleanness fat ankles Word.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:40 PM Author: Coiffed boyish rehab Newsflash
Someone who preps for class and does great in class but then bombs the test is a FAILURE.
Someone who studies last minute and gets an A- or A is a WINNER.
This is b/c the only thing that counts is performance on the test. The people that prep solely for the test are the smart ones, b/c that is the only thing that matters. While, it is great that some one put in time prepping for class, this is not what matters. The test is and students that prep for class and not the test are being stupid. Sure they might "deserve" a higher grade b/c they worked harder but life doesn't care what people deserve, it cares who does the better job (in theory at least). This is similar to rewarding an attorney for a beautifully written motion and their pretrial work instead of rewarding the attorney for whether or not they win. The professors are essentially saying they want to reward the stupid (ie: those that don't focus on the test) b/c they feel the stupid are more deserving.
Also, it is clear the professor hates the fact that someone can slack in his class and get an A. If you hate that someone doesn't need to do any work, change your fucking test or make your class harder. Don't punish the person who is working smarter (ie: not doing busy work during the semester when it has no pay off). Not everyone is so fucking in love with your topic area as you are. Some(most) people just aren't in as much love with torts as you are. Just b/c students don't give a shit about the subject, is not a personal insult to you. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: magical floppy brunch titmfcr
They actually NEED blind grading in UG. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: Red school cafeteria i pulled A's in several 1L class that i never attended, like seriously, maybe 20% tops. i didn't get anything useful out of the lectures, so i didn't go, but i studied the bll and the committee notes in depth all term.
whenever i get coldcalled, i sound like a total shithead because i can never remember which case is which. that's because my outline is thematic and procedural rather than organized by case. outside of a few classes (con law, fed courts) who the fuck even reads cases? you need to know about six to ace civ pro. the only property case i can ever remember is the one about the goddamned fox.
i don't think there should be a prize for showing up the most. i think there should be a prize for knowing how to apply the frcp, ucc, fre, and mpc to facts better than the dude who sits in the front row and never shuts up.
i'm glad that, if blind grading goes, it'll be after i'm gone. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Motley Love Of Her Life Why do proffs care what grades students get? They should be thankful that they get paid a lot of money to contribute nothing to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547556) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: bull headed idea he suggested Seriously. If a "deadbeat student" does well in your class according to the metric that YOU DESIGNED and YOU GRADED, you shouldn't give a shit that they didn't perk up when you dropped your brilliant argument about why unconscionability should be expanded or sprint to the podium to talk about how your article applies to a case that wasn't assigned in the reading. A perfect example of the overflated ego of law professors- students who don't pay attention hurt their feewings. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:46 PM Author: Motley Love Of Her Life titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547639) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: Electric national "It is authors as much as words that mark our paths through emails, essays, articles, short stories, and exams." Uh, ok. Let's not have an exam at all. Just rank the class by who you like the most. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: Electric national Judges could also save a LOT of time just looking at the law firm that drafted whatever and make a ruling based on prestige. This dude could be on to something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547573) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:44 PM Author: bull headed idea he suggested Supposedly, it does carry a little weight. But his analogy comparing exams to briefs is horseshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547628) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:49 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven "Professor Benforado's scholarship involves applying the insights of social psychology and related fields to law and legal theory. In large part, his work is focused on uncovering how our legal system may reflect unappreciated aspects of our cognitive frameworks and processes, and, as a consequence, how the law may fail to align with our purported values and fail to meet our needs. He is particularly interested in how corporations and other powerful entities exploit psychological proclivities to advance their agendas directly and through the legal system." http://www.drexel.edu/law/faculty/adam-benforado.asp
Fascinating. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:50 PM Author: Electric national Corporations. Trying to make money. Really makes you think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547656) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:52 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Indeed. *Cocks head, Strokes chin* |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:09 AM Author: Walnut Aromatic Base Doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620497) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:05 PM Author: Lake swashbuckling factory reset button garrison His CV specifies that he was a state finalist for the Rhodes and was elected to PBK first round during his junior year I've never read a CV before... Is it customary to go into that sort of detail? |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:18 PM Author: appetizing deep sanctuary No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13548425) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:21 PM Author: wonderful honey-headed market codepig i think grad students looking for tenure-track positions go into a lot of detail (like Rhodes finalist, etc) in their CV. but, i mean, obviously they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552164) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:42 PM Author: Coiffed boyish rehab tbf this is an actual valid area of research. I am sure though that it is nowhere near as complicated as he makes it out to be though or need of as much analysis as he gives it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13548689) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:16 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Yeah I didn't mean to crap all over the guy's work. But it seems a bit mushy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551564) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:00 PM Author: Lake swashbuckling factory reset button garrison He sounds like a guy who got pwned by a few slackers in LS and can't let go of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547737) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: Flickering blathering electric furnace This. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557131) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:05 PM Author: bull headed idea he suggested LOL at a Drexel student being "bound for greatness." Does he mean "desperately gunning for a transfer to Cornell"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547767) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:07 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547776) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:43 PM Author: dull histrionic range This is dumb. There's a very simple solution. Give four midterms instead of a final. That way you can get a better picture of the student. Profs are just lazy, even though they don't have shit to do otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549820) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: Cheese-eating international law enforcement agency that prof got decimated in the comments, mostly from other profs. for a guy like him, does he even think about the fact that he came across as a clueless douchebag, or does he just convince himself that everyone else is wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549861) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: effete piazza feces SOCIAL JUSTICE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549914) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:03 PM Author: Cheese-eating international law enforcement agency he wants to give better grades to progressive lefties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549956) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:00 PM Author: spectacular brethren god what an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549934) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:11 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Is this a flame? How did this guy graduate from HLS? He seems to be under the impression that professors are king makers, who, in a perfect world, would be able to cast aside those A- earning "dead beats" and promote gunners who work their asses off during the semester yet still can't bring it home on the final exam. What kind of crack is this dude smoking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550031) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:11 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven I was wondering the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550034) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:13 PM Author: Avocado cuckoldry box office if grading becomes non-blind, people like me are going to be FUCKED UP THE GOAT ARSE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550043) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:14 PM Author: magical floppy brunch Anyone but AA admits will be... just like they do with UG at these places. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550052) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:18 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven AND the slobbering gunner suck ups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550091) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:23 PM Author: magical floppy brunch lol just like fucking gay ass undergrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550153) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:44 PM Author: dull histrionic range yeah, almost as bad as straight ass undergrad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550405) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:50 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine this would probably end up hurting AA admits. there are many conservative professors out there who absolutely hate AA, and their hatred of AA would probably spill over into their grading. the result would be that all AA admits -- i.e., all black and hispanic kids -- get grades of C- and below, i.e., grades that they "really" deserve, regardless of how they actually did on the exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550486) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:53 PM Author: Mind-boggling theatre queen of the night ti,oc,flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550525) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:56 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine tiNtcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550562) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:58 PM Author: vibrant hilarious theater stage sound barrier What alternate universe do you live in where there are many conservative law professors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550588) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine the law academy isn't 100% liberal by any means. only retards seriously think that. there are many, many conservative law profs out there, although their fear of being ostracized keeps them quiet and out of the public eye. i'd put the conservative-to-total lawprof ratio at somewhere between 20% and 40%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550616) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:01 PM Author: Sticky home nowag Well they'd be ostracized over "racist" grading if they did what you suggested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550629) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine perhaps, but any smart law prof would easily be able to repel those racism charges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550657) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:32 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Sure they would. People always listen to reason when it comes to this sort of thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550969) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: vibrant hilarious theater stage sound barrier There are conservative law profs, mostly of the libertarian variety rather than the ARE country variety, but 20-40%? Are you on drugs? Its not even close to 40%, if you count all the TTT's it may be approaching 20%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550672) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:07 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine there probably aren't many ARE country conservatives in any academic sphere, legal or otherwise, because ARE-countryism kicks in only when a person's IQ dips below 80. the number is indeed 20% to 40%, and it's obviously not comprised solely of libertarians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550698) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:35 PM Author: vibrant hilarious theater stage sound barrier fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551010) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:04 PM Author: Haunting Dopamine i wonder if you really think this. lots of ARE country types are otherwise smart. somehow their thinking has been warped.. kinda like yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551372) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:18 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine let me guess - you believe in a vast conspiracy to control the media, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551580) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Haunting Dopamine wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551946) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:58 PM Author: Sticky home nowag No, this would lead to protests, like when students at Harvard protested over there being no black women professors.
Derek Bell used to ask "Are you telling me NO black women are qualified to teach here?"
The answer was YES!
The same question will be asked about why no blacks get an A. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:01 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine this is more or less consistent with my post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550632) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:44 PM Author: cracking ticket booth pervert ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551115) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:18 PM Author: Jet-lagged principal's office I agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551577) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:20 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven lol at your delusional paranoia if you actually think this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551597) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:39 PM Author: Jet-lagged principal's office Is it paranoia to think that they would be treated unfairly as much as it for non-URMs to feel that they would be treated unfairly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551783) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven No, it is much more paranoid and just all around ridiculous. Very few law professors if any would actually advocate discrimination against URMs in grading as some sort of "payback" for AA in admissions. Can you imagine anyone openly advocating that? Presumably you are saying that they would have this practice in secret. It's ludicrous to think that any significant number of profs would be completely dishonest and underhanded in this way. Furthermore, if a prof disagrees with AA then grade discrimination is completely at odds with their whole race-blind belief system. These profs would probably just continue to grade blindly even if they didn't have to. And let's not forget that these profs (who disagree with AA) are very much in the minority anyway.
On the other hand, we know that the vast majority of law professors actually support AA in LS admissions. They probably support AA in hiring as well, and college admissions, and LR membership etc. Why wouldn't they support AA in grading as well? |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Jet-lagged principal's office Dunno some do some don't. Naive to think that all professors are ultra-liberal and have no racial biases. I had a professor 1L year who would simply not call on black students often. When he called on them he would ask them 1 liner type questions and move on. I was not the only student who noticed this. I can imagine how he'd grade a Jamal vs. a Chad.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven This is just stupid. For all you know that guy was (foolishly) trying to help urms by not calling on them.
It is the ultra-liberal profs that have the most racial bias. They would support AA in grading. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine you're abnormally retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556982) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:34 PM Author: wonderful honey-headed market codepig ugh i am so against this, really.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Haunting Dopamine aren't like 80% of URMs in the bottom third? it's hard to imagine that non-blind could make their grades any worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551972) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:02 PM Author: sable gaming laptop over half in the bottom 10%. its obvious that they'd benefit from non-blind grading. how could things get any worse for them? plus the vast majority of profs believe in AA. they'd use it in 1L grading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551997) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:22 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven harsh but accurate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557157) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:58 PM Author: sable gaming laptop URMs would be a big beneficiary of non-blind grading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551956) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:59 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Exactly. The guy I was responding to thinks that non-blind grading would hurt URMs because of racist law profs trying to get back at them for AA. lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551969) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:03 PM Author: sable gaming laptop what do you think of the video posted at the bottom? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552007) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven LOL 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552047) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: Flickering blathering electric furnace lol. Sure buddy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557146) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:59 PM Author: marvelous rambunctious dilemma fortuitous meteor this article made me so angry i had to calm myself down with six shots of whiskey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550602) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:05 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine do you usually get so retardedly angry at stupid stuff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550678) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: glittery orchestra pit digit ratio Has anyone commented on his tweet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550621) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: Mind-boggling theatre queen of the night the last d00d on there called him flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550661) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:06 PM Author: glittery orchestra pit digit ratio lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550693) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:34 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven ROFL, alright which XOer did that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551001) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:02 PM Author: hairraiser brass weed whacker mexican LOL at XO Outreachdood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551344) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:11 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven ha, nice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551490) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Copper native water buffalo Post #23
Obi Wan - December 14, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Autoadmit . . . You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:58 PM Author: hairraiser brass weed whacker mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551304) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:08 PM Author: Jet-lagged principal's office Ya non-blind grading would absolutely blow anus. I can't think of anyone who would like it aside from the most insufferable gunner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551442) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:39 PM Author: sable gaming laptop
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5828021/ |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:43 PM Author: marvelous rambunctious dilemma fortuitous meteor tyvmft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551811) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552063) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: razzle circlehead school 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556887) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: Silver Temple Death Wish tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556899) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: Copper native water buffalo 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556925) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: Red school cafeteria 6'1" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556927) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: magical floppy brunch 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557060) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Worth watching again, ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557128) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:27 PM Author: Flickering blathering electric furnace lmao, I fucking love the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557181) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Laughsome location pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557276) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:01 PM Author: Shivering Concupiscible Space 180 finish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557367) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:58 PM Author: razzle circlehead school 180x2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13564412) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:00 AM Author: Tan faggotry university i like the new remix feature. you can just type in any shit you want and make the characters talk:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5836013/ |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:29 AM Author: Racy Cruise Ship i logged in just to give this a 4.0/180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620347) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:35 AM Author: Very tactful citrine clown 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620361) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:04 PM Author: titillating frum parlor pistol 180
"can i borrow a wrench?" |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:31 PM Author: Bateful hospital laser beams He wants to be able to judge a student's background and experience- why, because that summer mommy and daddy paid for you to do volunteer work in China or backpack around South America has any relevance to a 1L torts class? Fuck.
The "deadbeat" students are doing exactly what smart people do, they look at a problem (how to get good grades 1L year of law school), and figure out the most efficient way to solve that problem without actually cheating. And if that rubs professors the wrong way, they should change the system to benefit the gunners who spend 12 hours in the library rereading the cases but don't do an hour of research on how to take a law school exam. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:36 PM Author: lemon ratface This guy is an idiot. His post illustrates exactly why blind grading is essential. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552333) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: crystalline learning disabled business firm tank Maybe that was his ultimate point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556782) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:07 AM Author: sable gaming laptop no. he responded, cluelessly, to the comments at his blog and defended his take on it. it was like he didn't realize how stupid he sounded and so he kept going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556795) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: Avocado cuckoldry box office and chances are, if blind grading were done away with, these so-called "slackers" getting all dem As and A-s would invest more time in prepping for class and participating in discussion and earn similarly high grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556978) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:47 AM Author: Copper native water buffalo I think the above poster was dead on when he said that class would become a complete cluster fuck. Nothing would get accomplished. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557005) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:02 PM Author: Avocado cuckoldry box office yeah, this already happens to some extent 1st semester of 1L year (when people don't know better) and in classes w/ a participation component (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557064) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: sable gaming laptop
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5828021/ |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: thirsty resort volcanic crater this is probably a good strategy for Drexel
they could become like Penn's AAA team |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: soul-stirring forum ladyboy i dont believe they blind grade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556963) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: umber associate ? they don't have a fucking choice. at least at my school, the registrar gives them exams with no names, and the profs give the registrar grades for each randomly assigned test id #. some schools provide profs the ability to make a minor bump up in the grade _after_ the anon grades are submitted (e.g., max bump can be something like B to B+). fewer allow the prof to make a minor bump down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557558) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:22 AM Author: Walnut Aromatic Base Doctorate Profs can probably compensate for that by undergrading everyone and then waiting until they get the names back. For example, if someone has what looks like an A- exam, give them a B+. If the list of names comes back and the A- is someone who wasn't a good student, you give them the B+ or bump them down to a B. That would be one sad, pathetic professor though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620571) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:03 PM Author: wonderful honey-headed market codepig i like how this guy is getting pwned on his own blog entry; that really sucks. oh the perils of blogging (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557067) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:32 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine in fairness, non-blind grading worked all through high school and college, so there's no *obvious* reason that it won't work in law school. if you really think about it, the harshest critics of this proposal are just knee-jerk reactionaries, and not very smart ones at that: no one has offered an even superficially reasonable counter-argument to non-blind grading aside from "ZOMG, PROFESSORS WILL USE IT TO DO MOAR AA, RU-ROH" (although my argument above was kinda reasonable), which is a pretty retarded notion to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557203) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:38 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Did it "work" in UG? Or were the adverse effects simply too small to bother implementing blind grading systems, which carry substantial overhead?
UG grades frequently aren't curved (i.e., they are non-zero sum) and generally don't matter as much as LS grades. And most students don't take on the sort of staggering debt that is associated with LS in UG; there's just far less riding on whether any given professor feels the need to bump "deserving" students up in courses where grading is quite subjective.
Moreover, blind grading is not just a device to assuage the concerns of 1L's. It clearly has an effect: it prevents idiot professors (such as the subject of this thread) from downgrading "deadbeats" who perform well when it counts and upgrading those "bound for great things" who are unable to perform under pressure. We're not talking about a formality. People like this professor would actively meddle with the process if they were so permitted. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine blind grading "systems carry substantial overhead"? lol, you're going to have to explain that one to me.
and *perhaps* UG grades don't matter "as much as" ls grades, but that's not saying much of anything at all. UG grades are immensely important, primarily because pretty much everyone nowadays has a UG degree. are they as important as ls grades? maybe not, but that's not to say they aren't very important. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:54 PM Author: magical floppy brunch UG grades are already fucked by bias... You don't seem to know much or went to a TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557316) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:00 PM Author: Red school cafeteria you didn't address his 2nd point, that 1L grades are zero-sum while many ug grades are not zero-sum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557360) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Flame?
Robust blind grading systems require independent third parties to issue students unique exam ID's for each exam; then professors submit a set of grades for the ID's plus a set of student identified bumps for any discretionary element. The third party then has to properly correlate the grades and students. Notice that in UG there are frequently midterms (sometimes more than one), which means that the professors wouldn't just be reporting to the third party one final grade--they would have to use this blind grading system with unique ID's for every test. If you can't appreciate the overhead this entails, I don't what to tell you.
In LS your fate is largely decided in two semesters. The grading is curved, and the competition is fierce. In UG, classes are frequently not curved and most employers don't make hiring decisions on the basis of fine GPA distinctions--and to the degree that they do, it is generally based on 6-8 semesters of information, making any one class far less important. Moreover, a large percentage of UG majors have exams that are inherently objective (most of the non-humanities majors). Again, if you can't see the huge gulf between UG grades and LS grades, I don't know what to tell you. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine you're fucking retarded. the things you identify don't require substantial additional overhead. a different way of doing things =/= "additional overhead." this mysterious "third party" you're referring to is just another student worker or two who get paid $9 or so an hour to work in one of the school's administrative offices. (i've been assuming you understand what "overhead" means, but i'm starting to doubt that. i work in finance so yes, i actually do know what it means and i cringe when people use it retardedly.)
and i already addressed your second point. as i said above, ls grades may indeed be more important than ug grades, but there is absolutely no "huge gulf" between the two. you're confusing *how important UG grades are vis-a-vis ls grades* with *how important a given UG course is vis-a-vis a given law school course.* not the same thing genius.
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:24 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Jesus christ you are dumb.
1. "A different way of doing things" that requires an additional 100 hours of work per semester -> overhead. Also, a $9/hr monkey will probably fuck up 5% of the grades.
2. I'm not confusing the two. Both the lower number of grades (which means it's far more likely that a single professor will screw you over) and the greater emphasis ER's place on grades favor a blind grading system.
You are a horrible poster.
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:26 PM Author: magical floppy brunch $9/hr people who are college educated are probably smarter than the person they hired from an accounting school/CPA for $50/hr... hope that helps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557542) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Smarter? What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about extremely tedious work that requires attention to detail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557551) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: magical floppy brunch This doesn't really do anything to the argument that a HUG kid just trying to make ends meet would probably do a better job than a CPA who's brought in via consulting to "tally" the numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557560) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine lol. i gotta admit, this is actually a novel argument. it's fucking CLEARLY fucking stupid, but it's a new one. you're creative; i'll give you that. "student workers shouldn't ever do tedious work, even though pretty much ALL student workers do tedious work, because they'll fuck it up!!!!!!!!!"
i can only imagine the horrible things that happen in america's college's registrar's, financial aid and other administrative offices, where student workers are required to do tedious work. our whole educational system will explode tomorrow because of all these student workers. yes, that must be it. makes total sense. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: magical floppy brunch You're still an idiot sephardim... though it does seem likely that the college kids are being royally fucked pay wise and yet doing an excellent job in this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557577) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:42 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine an "idiot" who's never been proven wrong? i guess i can live with that. hey is it backwards day or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557615) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:36 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat That was definitely my argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557588) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine hey can you do me a favor and completely remove the word "overhead" from your vocabulary? no seriously, can you? and think about what your argument has become: "well, uh, student workers, uh, will fuck up blind grading so, uh, well, we have to use highly paid geniuses to do the monkey work that is blind grading administration, which is why teh blind grading adds a lot of teh overhead!!!!!!!!!!!!"
go ahead and respond with "you're a bad poster." that's literally the only thing you've got going for you in this debate. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat *lives in a world with zero transaction costs* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557559) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: umber associate you really are a fucking moron. call up any law school and ask them how much anon grading costs them per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557578) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:38 PM Author: Narrow-minded kitty cat Right. Then multiply that per student expense by a factor of 4 or 5, and you'd probably get some sense of what it would cost per student to implement the same sort of system in UG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557595) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557617) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Haunting Dopamine you're a fucking retard. probably the worst poster on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557275) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: Red school cafeteria sephardim-style comeback: "lol, you're unusually retarded. i couldn't understand your post because the second 'sentence' didn't ever have a verb." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557295) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:52 PM Author: vivacious sneaky criminal shrine in fairness to me, how would you respond to a post like that? in kind, right? right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557300) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:01 PM Author: Red school cafeteria lol at your obtuse faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557365) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: gaped meetinghouse what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557204) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: fragrant roommate Did Orin Kerr really comment on that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557207) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:38 PM Author: Shivering Concupiscible Space pretty sure he's a pumo poaster here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557230) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:39 PM Author: Frozen Curious Heaven Yes, a law prof blogger commented on a law prof blog. Shocking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557237) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:40 PM Author: fragrant roommate oh hai Orin! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557238) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: Laughsome location pozpig what a fucking horrible idea epecially for large lecture classes. how many profs even know anything about more than a hadful of students. This would essentially let them pick who got the As and let everyoe else fight over the scraps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557296) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:57 AM Author: Walnut Aromatic Base Doctorate "We have all had the student that we think is bound for great things do poorly on our exam and the deadbeat student get a B+ (or even an A-). That hurts given that potential employers (law firms, judges, and others) use grades as a primary screening tool when deciding between candidates."
Or maybe you were WRONG about who was smart/hardworking and who was trying to appear smart/hardworking. I guess that thought didn't enter your mind. Learning is done at home not in class while wasting everyone's time with inane commentary or sucking up to you in office hours you WASTE OF SPACE. Get a real fucking job. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:44 PM Author: Avocado cuckoldry box office it's ridiculous how much profs want their dicks sucked. i wonder if they have no friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13621585) |