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ITT: A Day in the Life of a Susman/WLRK attorney
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:56 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook if you know first-hand or know through friends, im curious to hear what an *average* (albeit there are no "average" days) day is like for a wlrk or susman attorney. please specify which one you are describing and what level atty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574218) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:57 PM Author: arousing immigrant i dont know, but i would guess it's something like
9:00: show up at office, turn on computer, start billing midnight: turn off computer, go home to nice apartment |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:58 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook why is it that i cant concentrate beyond 7min at a time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574253) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:00 PM Author: arousing immigrant i dont know man, u need adderall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574286) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:35 AM Author: Mischievous Multi-billionaire probably because your 7 minutes gets rounded up to 14, giving you 6 free minutes of distraction! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368983) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Pearl stage 7+6=14 XO math |
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Date: October 17th, 2011 3:43 PM Author: hyperactive adulterous puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#19188187) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:59 PM Author: tantric brunch 8 am: wake up, check Blackberry, send e-mails 8:30 am: shower, dress, breakfast, commute 9:45 am: work like a dog 7 pm: order sushi 11 pm: take a dump 2 am: cab ride home, redline documents 2:35 am: check Blackberry, send e-mails 2:55 am: take half an Ambien 3:05 am: watch SportsCenter, check Blackberry, send e-mails 3:25 am: sleep |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:59 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook is this a guess? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574271) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:00 PM Author: pea-brained location no one at WLRK has a 1 hour and 15 minute commute/morning routine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574283) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:01 PM Author: tantric brunch shower/dress/breakfast: 30 minutes commute: 45 minutes |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:07 PM Author: pea-brained location even 45min is insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574387) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 6:02 PM Author: Salmon Organic Girlfriend Foreskin definitely not insane in manhattan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14372815) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:15 PM Author: Pearl stage if you are wlrk, why the hell are you not renting an apt like 5 minutes from work my cravath friend is a 1A and he's about a 10 minute from CSM |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:59 PM Author: pea-brained location My friends at WLRK don't seem to work much differently than I do. Start around 9:30 or 10am and work until about an hour or two before going to sleep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574272) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:01 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook do you work at a similarly prestigious firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574294) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:01 PM Author: pea-brained location There is no such thing as a similarly prestigious firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574303) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:03 PM Author: marvelous maniacal set there are other lit boutiques as good as Susman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574314) |
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Date: December 18th, 2009 12:29 AM Author: Tripping Love Of Her Life link? do you think they'd have me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13584739) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:20 AM Author: chrome 180 jewess Bartlit Beck doesn't hire laterals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367746) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:01 PM Author: marvelous maniacal set when is sleep usually? weekends? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574299) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:04 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook im guessing they bill a good 8hrs each wknd day.
the one cravath guy/girl i know (young assoc) usu goes to work between 10am and 2-3am each day - wknds much less |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:05 PM Author: marvelous maniacal set ha. i know people at cravath. sure they have busy stretches but they are usually done at 10pm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574354) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:07 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook yea i dont speak to him/her that often so you may be entirely correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574375) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:05 PM Author: glittery cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574346) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:06 PM Author: pea-brained location midnight
I have not talked to them about working remotely or what the firm's view toward that is. I assume it is like most places where it is partner specific (ie some don't give a shit if you want to work from home at night or on weekends, some are big on you being there all the time).
The biggest issue is that the work is not consistent. You are up until 2am or later multiple nights in a row and working 80+ hour weeks for a month or two and then back to a more sane schedule. The only sense I get from them is that at WLRK there are more insane times and less sane times than at other places and the standard for the sane (and insane) times as far as the amount of work you are expected to get done is higher, however slight or great that difference may be.
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:10 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook n/m (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574429) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:11 PM Author: pea-brained location How about I just pick a firm like FBD and then everyone can say I work there? Ok?
edit: why the edit? |
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Date: March 13th, 2010 9:12 AM Author: well-lubricated dark senate sandwich 50-60 hours a week.
A big law partner was in here a few weeks ago taking questions (post count was north of 150). Might be worthwhile to search for that thread...
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:02 PM Author: big affirmative action it involves a lot of jacking off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574307) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:05 PM Author: tantric brunch Date: July 1st, 2006 7:42 PM Author: i wish i wasnt born
7:00 - wake up, jack off, shower, jack off again
7:50 - Buy bagel and coffee from cafe; dream of fucking the somewhat cute cashier girl who must wonder why I look so sad and depressed every morning
8:00 - Go into office, try not to look at old, fat, ugly, bitchy associate whose office I have to pass. God she is dumb too. Wonder what I have done in my life to deserve to work with such a stupid bitch.
8:01 - Log onto system. Check nytimes.com and stock market. Check two dozen useless e-mails, most of them from dumb ass junior female associates on the other coast who are stupid enough to send out email questions to the entire fucking firm rather than research it themselves. Wonder why it is that female associates send 90% of the dumbass e-mail questions.
8:20 - Start dreaming about fucking a hot bitch; will continue for most of morning. Wish I could close my office door and jack off.
8:30 - Start working on actual billable stuff even though I've been billing the client for my dreaming and surfing. Close door to keep out sounds of annoying fat ass secretaries. Wonder why anyone would want to waste their life being a legal secretary.
Until noon - Continue working on whatever, hoping not to be called by any other attorneys asking for help. If busy actually try to finish shit. If not busy try to waste time so I can bill more on the project and fuck over the client.
Noon - go out of office, walk down street hoping to see some hot bitches since all I see are ugly fat bitches in the office. Buy a sandwich, come back to office and eat it alone checking nytimes and billing client for the time
Afternoon - fat ass stupid bitch secretary comes into office for third time. Asks stupid ass question; wastes my time; I pretend to be nice even though I wish she were dead. Wonder why secretary can't write a cover letter without having to ask me a question. Wonder why I can't have a 22 year old hot secretary instead of a 60 year old haggy fat bitch.
4:00 - asshole senior partner calls me with "emergency" assigment that must be completed by tomorrow morning. I know fucking ass partner will come into my office tomorrow morning so I actually feel like I have to work on it. Wonder why this partner always calls me after 4 and always needs an answer within 18 hours. Dream of shooting him.
8:00 - somewhat finish assignment. E-mail partner with answer and hope he won't ask follow up questions even though I know he will. Input my hours into the firm's billing system. Try to double bill as much as I can. Try to "estimate" my time, being fair to myself of course.
8:15 - leave office, take taxi home that firm pays for. Buy some Indian or Thai food. Get home, surf net for porn. Jack off two or three times. Take hot bath. Jack off. Go to sleep dreaming of fucking hot bitch.
Repeat next day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=446186&forum_id=2#6119411) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:07 PM Author: big affirmative action "Wish I could close my office door and jack off. "
for some reason, this was my favorite line. |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:05 PM Author: rebellious whorehouse chad blatant susman trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574345) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:06 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook to each his own - i think susman is an incredibly sweet firm though and im the OP so i grouped it w WLRK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574367) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: Pearl stage iirc one of my friends got offers from WLRK and susman and he took susman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14373528) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:30 PM Author: pea-brained location i can see that being a reasonable choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14373599) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:09 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Half-breed Get on a 3way call with 2 Fortune 500 CEOs. Take a % of their takeover, and insider trade the company being acquired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574397) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:09 PM Author: pea-brained location More like give shitty legal advice and get pwn3d trying to undo a deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574411) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:10 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Half-breed 1:1 partner associate ratios scare me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574424) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:12 PM Author: pea-brained location Why? All that means is you get better work and have a better shot at partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574453) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:13 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Half-breed Prefer the backstabbing and politicking between associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574460) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:13 PM Author: pea-brained location I am convinced you are an actual biglaw associate and the basement thing is all made up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574465) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:14 PM Author: Cowardly international law enforcement agency juggernaut MFE, dropping some knowledge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574471) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:25 AM Author: vibrant sienna mad cow disease i have to admit that for a basement dwelling virgin, he knows quite a bit about biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367781) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 8:55 AM Author: Medicated meetinghouse He has been reading this board for around 5 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14369202) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:14 PM Author: charismatic marketing idea One thing to consider is that Susman folks travel a lot more, and for longer periods of time if they are doing a trial outside of Houston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574470) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:16 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook true. just curious though for the avg non-trial atty.
i hear their attys bill upwards of 3000 hrs |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:18 PM Author: pea-brained location So do I. re: 3k
Traveling for trial is great. You can bill like a mofo when all you have to do to go to work is stagger out of your hotel room and down the hall or on the elevator to the war room or across the street to the Courthouse or local counsel's office.
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:19 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Half-breed Do you work in Las Vegas? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574535) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:20 PM Author: pea-brained location Yes, how did you figure it out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574556) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:41 PM Author: charismatic marketing idea My friend doesn't hit 3,000, but not too far off. Likes it a lot, though, except for out of town trials. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574820) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 11:43 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook does he have a g/f or wife? how does he maintain personal and family relationships with that kind of constant stress? does he take vacations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13574836) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 3:09 AM Author: charismatic marketing idea Long overdue response ... maybe you're around
Yes, he has a SO. She is not an attorney but works super hard so I think they just are okay with spending time apart. He is also very, very efficient and, while he works hard, doesn't waste time and gets home at reasonable hours when not in trial.
Yes, he takes quite a few vacations. Not 3 weeks at a time, but long weekends here and there. The firm seems fine with the work hard play hard life.
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Date: March 12th, 2010 3:16 AM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook Describe his efficient work habits. This is a skill I'm trying to work on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368493) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 4:12 AM Author: charismatic marketing idea Hmmm. Well, I don't sit in his office with him, but I think it is mostly a combination of (1) getting up early, like 5:30 or 6 am; (2) getting to the office early, like 6:30 or 7 am; (3) getting to work right away and only doing work (no fantasy football, personal email, calls to friends); (4) a quick lunch (20 minutes); and (5) then more of (3). Even with all of that, I think the really high annual numbers (3,000 hours) only come from travel and trials.
I'm the opposite. I get in late and check the internet so much I often think about asking the IT guys to disable my browser. Makes it super hard to bill more than 2100 hours. |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 12:19 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook lol: "I get in late and check the internet so much I often think about asking the IT guys to disable my browser"
what sites do you visit |
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Date: December 18th, 2009 12:31 AM Author: Tripping Love Of Her Life i think 2800-2900 is more likely the average, but you have to factor in that there are soon-to-be burnouts pulling it down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13584765) |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 8:32 AM Author: tantric brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#13577491) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:19 AM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook Bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367731) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:29 AM Author: Misunderstood Dashing Area Azn lol at the dumbass posters this thread. you guys will never work at a prestigious firm. the mere mention of wlrk, or a much less prestigious firm like fucking susman, makes you shit you're pants. that should tell you something. good luck in you're lives, you pathetically unprestigious fucking bum faggots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367806) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:43 AM Author: electric saffron nursing home It's pretty irrelevant whether Susman is prestigious - the point is that these are the two firms where you'll bill almost 3000 hrs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367939) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:45 AM Author: Twinkling Balding Really Tough Guy pitiful WLRK trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367955) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 1:41 AM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook When do these guys watch tv, sports, surf Internet, go to grocery store, pick up dry cleaning, eat out w friends???? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14367928) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:18 AM Author: Multi-colored Impressive Boistinker State they make enough that they can pay others to do all of that for them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368223) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: Arrogant Cocky Cuck Den So that's why this weird guy named Tony keeps showing up whenever I ask my friend at WLRK if he wants to grab a bite to eat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14369977) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:46 PM Author: Splenetic Striped Hyena Office He shows up at my dinners too! Is he Mexican? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14373776) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 3:18 AM Author: Abusive depressive liquid oxygen there was an hours survey done by greedy associates or some similar website w/ pretty good response rate. wachtell associates reported ~70 hrs week. cravath/s&c were like ~60-65. the other vault firms were like upper 50s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368502) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 4:17 AM Author: charismatic marketing idea I remember David Lat making a comment about his Wachtell days that a few folks who turned down Wachtell for hours purposes really regretted it once they realized what it took to make partner at a firm like Cravath or S&C. Not a lot of difference in hours, but a good chunk of change less in compensation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368629) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 4:21 AM Author: Abusive depressive liquid oxygen you'd have to be out of your fucking mind to turn down wachtell for cravath/s&c (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368637) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 4:22 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Half-breed LOL like that happens. Worse compensation and much worse partnership odds. Cravath offered 0/80 of the class of 2002. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368641) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 5:22 AM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368769) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:02 AM Author: cordovan chapel http://abovethelaw.com/2009/12/cravath_no_new_partners.php (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14368964) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 12:30 PM Author: startling walnut keepsake machete gas station how many actually stuck around that long? 10? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14370184) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: cordovan chapel idk. the article hints not many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14371315) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:51 PM Author: Bisexual mad-dog skullcap probably 5 or 6. also, lol at this idea that making partner at wachtell is "so much easier" than at a firm with more leverage. you have to actually stick around for 7-8 years of hell to make it. and hours get worse the more senior you become, not better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14371327) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 12:23 PM Author: Tripping Love Of Her Life MFE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14370154) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 6:20 PM Author: charismatic marketing idea People do weird things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14372905) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:46 PM Author: electric saffron nursing home From 2007 midlevel associate's survey: Hours Billed/week Susman: 61.7 Wachtell: 60.0 Cravath: 58.4 S&C: 52.1 Davis Polk: 50.4 Simpson Thacher: 51.5 Cleary: 49.2 Covington: 45.7 Debevoise: 48.3 Munger: 43.3 Irell: 47.5 Stroock: 46.5
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:50 PM Author: cheese-eating heady mexican theatre HOLY SHIT. BILL 60 hours per week? BILLED? What about all the non-billablles? These people are fucking machines! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14371318) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Fragrant Milk Elastic Band Ha and that's "average." I know someone there that billed 3400 last year. I can't imagine billing 2800-3000 and still feeling like I'm not doing enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14371354) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 2:58 PM Author: Bisexual mad-dog skullcap keep in mind that, at least at wlrk and csm, there are fewer midlevels compared to other places (because they're more reluctant to bring in laterals). so you've got sort of a skewed sample of ultra-strivers who stuck around after most of their classmates left (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14371371) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 6:00 PM Author: Contagious green school cafeteria voyeur the people at Susman probably really love what they do. it's not really "work" to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14372806) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 6:28 PM Author: charismatic marketing idea Exactly. Susman guys will sometimes end up with "retirement cases" (contingency wins where they could retire) and still keep working. Of course, that is true for a lot of big law firm partners--it isn't always about the money.
And 60 hours a week goes by a lot faster in trial or arguing motions or even writing briefs. |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:11 PM Author: pungent soggy fortuitous meteor fat ankles Man, people at Cravath must really love their work, since they aren't getting paid any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14373389) |
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Date: March 12th, 2010 7:29 PM Author: pea-brained location fwiw, in 07 there were very few CSM midlevels and they were all busy (as was the rest of the world). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14373591) |
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Date: March 14th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: vigorous gaping travel guidebook bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#14389075) |
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Date: October 17th, 2011 3:40 PM Author: gold idiotic digit ratio people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#19188167) |
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Date: October 17th, 2011 4:48 PM Author: Ungodly forum roast beef the susman payscale would be sweet if you lateraled in as 2nd/3rd year, but the super agro culture would be tough for a newbie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1167064&forum_id=2#19188530) |