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Theory: "Notes and Questions" sections deliberately obfuscate
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:44 PM Author: Green Resort They fill the space between the cases with stuff that just needlessly confuses you, at which point you will feel the need to buy an UNDERSTANDING or E&E type book (likely made by the same publisher) to clarify things again. But imagine if they just removed all the "notes and questions" and instead inserted the material from the fucking UNDERSTANDING book.
In my more gunnerish moments, I have taken the time to actually go through those N&Q questions in some chapters and even look up the case results that they leave hanging - as often as not I find myself saying "Wow, that's actually irrelevant" or "this case isn't really on point at all." |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:46 PM Author: Vivacious Spruce Church Ape well you gotta justify charging 200 for caselaw reprints somehow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631238) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Green Resort If it weren't for the fact that the cases are usually heavily edited, it'd make good sense to just print all the cases from WL and put them in a couple binders. But you'd waste a lot of time reading stuff you don't need to read.
TBF SOME casebooks actually seem to put useful shit in between cases instead of just useless N&Qs. The red Aspen books seem to be the worst offender in this regard. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:50 PM Author: Vivacious Spruce Church Ape credited strategy is buying prior edition on amazon for $15. the maybe two extra cases you can WL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631278) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:51 PM Author: Green Resort Oh, word? That sounds like a fucking plan. Books are expensive as HELL this semester. TY friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631287) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 12:52 PM Author: Green Resort Do the page #s tend to change much? I assume I can just find a friend and check against his books. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631293) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:15 PM Author: orange sick set Some profs dig into the N and Q sections, gotta know "what up" with that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631447) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:03 PM Author: buff pisswyrm garrison Or just print out the headnotes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631372) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 7:26 PM Author: spectacular chrome station cumskin titmfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13633642) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 9:52 PM Author: Vibrant elastic band Ugh. FUCK ASPEN! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13634572) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 2:42 PM Author: copper 180 step-uncle's house sex offender the cases cited in those sections are always relevant; you're just not smart enough to understand why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631944) |
Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:09 PM Author: Charismatic umber theater This is correct. I can't tell if it's a racket or if it's stupidity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631413) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:25 PM Author: thriller macaca total racket. if they didn't obfuscate we'd see how shallow law school teaching is. and then they charge huge prices for public domain materials simply because they can force us to buy the materials. few of them give a fuck about students. (my estimate: about 20% do.)
and when they come calling over the years, asking for money from me, i will remind them that i was overcharged for learning contracts from a professor who does know shit about real contracts and for learning property from a professor who doesn't know shit about land ownership. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:28 PM Author: razzmatazz white field "charge huge prices for public domain materials"
lol why dont you try to write a legal textbook then |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:30 PM Author: thriller macaca because it's futile: only a professor can force students to buy one.
but as for difficulty, it would be easy for any field i knew well. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:26 PM Author: razzmatazz white field the worst is in a class like admin or fed courts where a case is pretty complicated, and then the notes and questions pose a lot of important questions without answering them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631512) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 1:29 PM Author: thriller macaca even if they felt the need to play traditional hide the ball shit for 1L classes, classes like admin law are so dense that they should teach us like they'd teach busy professionals any dense material. give us the outline. discuss the key issues. identify the thorny issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13631522) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 6:08 PM Author: Glassy people who are hurt messiness the other thing i hate is when the main case in a section is some stupid case from 1850, and then the more important recent cases are stuck in notes after the case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13633281) |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 12:24 AM Author: big-titted irradiated plaza trump supporter srsly, this is how law school should be taught. law school is such a fucking scam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13635827) |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 12:25 AM Author: underhanded arrogant idiot Yeah, my LS friends stopped going to Admin because the professor just confused them. He had a PhD. in Political Science and went out of his way to wonk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13635838) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 2:44 PM Author: ocher jew meetinghouse math books do the same thing-the goal is to help you start teaching yourself shit.
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 6:13 PM Author: stirring insane hell dog poop I kind of like the way it's set up; you have to work a bit to get some of the law. Dukeminier's notes and qs allowed me to utterly destroy our curve, breaking the next highest score by 16 points and probably costing 3-4 classmates an A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13633311) |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 12:56 AM Author: at-the-ready soul-stirring twinkling uncleanness multi-billionaire agreed, dukeminier's property book is the shit. i can't speak to the quality of other aspen books, but the notes & qs in that one are tits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13636017) |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 1:22 AM Author: Green Resort Yeah, Dukeminier is unfuckwithable. Loved that book, got an A in Property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13636139) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 9:44 PM Author: ultramarine curious love of her life Well, the point of legal education isn't to teach you the blackletter law. Anyone can read a summary of the law. It is to teach you legal thinking, legal reasoning, legal deduction.
So you're right that the notes would be crappy if they were intended to teach you the blackletter law. But that's not their intent. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 9:54 PM Author: slimy galvanic school you sound like a faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13634584) |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 1:15 AM Author: Cruel-hearted Crotch "legal deduction"
Is deduction REALLY the word you're looking for? |
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Date: December 25th, 2009 3:08 AM Author: orange sick set replace deduction with hermeneutics and credit this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13642980) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 9:50 PM Author: Stimulating kitty I concur with this most fascinating theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13634561) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2009 9:52 PM Author: slimy galvanic school For 1L, this is absolutely true.
Some 2L/3L casebooks I've had give you a random, ridiculous "principal case" and then just tell you what the law is in the notes. |
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Date: December 24th, 2009 12:20 AM Author: underhanded arrogant idiot I haven't bought books since 1L year. I westlaw everything and study off old outlines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1172428&forum_id=2#13635803) |