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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:23 PM Author: Sexy Library Taking it easy this afternoon -- fire away -- I should be able to check in for most of the day.
As a reminder, I don't really read this board, so if you want my 2 cents on a topic, please feel free to ask in this thread something that is already being discussed in other threads.
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:24 PM Author: know-it-all rough-skinned corn cake What are you thoughts on paralegals? Do you even think about them? Do you wonder what they do? Do you try to avoid them at all costs? THKS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942366) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: Sexy Library Good ones are invaluable, especially when going to trial. Bad ones, in many instances, can cause more damage than bad associates. But no, I typically don't interact with them at this stage of my career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942421) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:34 PM Author: Drab Roommate you're probably talking about the senior paralegals. what about the ones who are passing through on their way to law school--what do you think of them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942472) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:38 PM Author: Sexy Library I don't. Unless they're cute, in which case I admire their beauty, just like I admire most good looking women. (Insert retort here from someone from someone accusing me of being chauvinistic/sexist). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942507) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:39 PM Author: Drab Roommate is there any advantage/benefit to being a paralegal once you're in law school and looking for a firm job? it seems like a filler experience that even LS don't care about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942519) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:55 PM Author: Sexy Library There's a huge advantage to being a paralegal -- it lets a substantial number of people know, at a very early stage, that biglaw is not for them.
And I do think former paralegals often make better junior associates. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:41 PM Author: Swashbuckling Snowy Idea He Suggested Mother You don't know what "chauvinistic" means. Of course I nonetheless continue to admire your work here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964582) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: Sexy Library I stand by what I wrote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034405) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:14 PM Author: nudist bbw How would you describe yourself as a partner? E.g., are you a service partner or do you mostly work on bringing in and maintaining relationships with clients? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942837) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:22 PM Author: Sexy Library This is a very law student type question. In the real world, providing great service = maintaining relationships with clients. Especially in litigation, if you are great at what you do, you are great at what you do...and servicing clients and getting new work often go hand in hand. To the extent I bring in clients, it's not because I'm overly good at schmoozing ... it's because I'm very good at what I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942876) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:45 PM Author: nudist bbw Thanks! The real world perspective is appreciated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943026) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: obsidian maniacal black woman bawdyhouse I think a lawyer's perspective on this question is different at a big firm than at a smaller firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944956) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: lascivious party of the first part You probably suck at what you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966044) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 9:28 PM Author: saffron stirring preventive strike famous landscape painting It's early, but how do you see 2010 shaping up for the denizens of biglaw? Would you say that most of the partners at your firm share your view?
Also, do you think that we'll see some more firms dissolving this year, or witness another wave of mass associate/partner attrition? It seems like the pie, at least for corporate work, has shrunk considerably, and some firms are grabbing second helpings before others have had a piece.
Finally, do clients hire based on individual lawyer relationships or an institutional relationship? I've always wondered how that dynamic works. Has the dynamic changed given the economic fallout? |
Date: January 28th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: Sexy Library By the way, I just realized that you can change usernames. DukeSucks was just something that popped into my head when I was signing up for this site last year. Someone recommend a non-outing and non-offensive name for me to use instead. You guys are funnier/more creative than I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942412) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: know-it-all rough-skinned corn cake ...... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942422) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:39 PM Author: Hot stead rigpig UNCReallySucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942514) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:01 PM Author: Plum boltzmann 1 / ~15,000 morons in 1988? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942716) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 7:32 PM Author: Plum boltzmann No? Okay, for serious-- I read your posts in the voice of Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life." So, some variant on Mr. Potter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944353) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 8:44 PM Author: green big international law enforcement agency elastic band I LOLed really hard at this post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13945092) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: Plum boltzmann tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13947456) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: orange stock car church building BEEFSHITS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13952751) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: Exhilarant jade senate sweet tailpipe Billed Hourly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964187) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:33 PM Author: walnut volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942464) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:36 PM Author: Sexy Library First, if its a V50 firm, exactly how "obscure" can its litigation department possibly be? Second, if you're a 3L, how many different offers can you possibly be mulling over at this stage? It seems that you're just looking for some reassurance that you'll end up fine -- I can't give you that -- there are no assurances in this profession.
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:39 PM Author: walnut volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942516) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:54 PM Author: Sexy Library Name the firm if you'd like ... I can't think of a firm where this would be enough of an issue where I'd recommend picking corporate just because that group is considered far more prestigious.
I know plenty of firms where the corporate dept. brings in most of the clients, but the litigators are top notch. I don't really get the point you're trying to make.
And the last item isn't remotely strange -- leverage is almost always going to be higher in litigation than corporate. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:56 PM Author: walnut volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942672) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:01 PM Author: Sexy Library Please repeat - not sure if you named it but then deleted quickly. If so, I didn't catch it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942714) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: walnut volcanic crater thank you. your responses have convinced me that I'm making an issue out of nothing, and I'm happy to leave it at that. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: Tan ladyboy What is the lowest amount of money you'd do your job for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942535) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:56 PM Author: Sexy Library The number is much higher at this stage of my career...but all things being equal, given what I do, I'd do it for $100K. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942670) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:52 PM Author: shaky lay If you were a 3L graduating from a T20 with good grades and no job this year, what would you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942620) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:58 PM Author: Sexy Library I'd get a job. I don't think there's much excuse for a 3L with good grades from a T20 not to have a job. Maybe you can't get the dream job you wanted making $160K a year. But you can't get any job at all whatsoever? I'd suck it up, swallow my pride, roll up my sleeves, and find the best legal job I could find ... in this city or any other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942690) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:06 PM Author: shaky lay How would you go about getting said job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942765) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:39 PM Author: shaky lay See this response is useless and cruel without DESCRIBING what concrete steps you would take to find a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942998) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:48 PM Author: Sexy Library Calm down -- I didn't see the response above. What concrete steps would I take? The same steps I'd take here. Do you realize how many cities and towns there are in this country? When you say you don't have a job, what you're really saying is "I don't have a job in the 1-2 cities I wanted to live in." Good grades from a great school and you can't find a job anywhere in America? Heck, even if you want to just practice on the east coast, do you know how many lawyers are needed between Boston and DC?
The local newspaper (not to mention bar journal) in every state, city, town advertises job openings. I guarantee you many people getting those jobs aren't as qualified as you are. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:15 PM Author: shaky lay So you're saying I should check help wanted ads? Law firms hire entry level lawyers through the newspaper? What about mailing unsolicited applications to firms in my hometown? (San Luis Obispo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943259) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:18 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm saying there is far more to the legal profession than the small handful of elite firms that are continually discussed on these forums. The Vault100 may seem like it's the end all and be all, but it's not even 0.1% of the legal market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943276) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:30 PM Author: shaky lay How do you get jobs at those other firms as a 3L? They all seem to want 1-3 years experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943400) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:43 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm obviously not talking from personal experience because I didn't have to do this, but I would treat those criteria more as goals than requirements. Yes, I'm sure they'd rather have someone with more experience all things being equal. Your job is to convince them all things aren't equal. That what you don't have in experience, you make up for in intellect, academic pedigree, an ability to learn quickly, and a willingness to work harder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943502) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:48 PM Author: shaky lay So I should apply even if they require 1-3 years experience? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943542) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: Sexy Library You don't have a job. Of course you should apply. What's the worst that can happen? They say no and you end up exactly where you are now? Draft a tailored cover letter and apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943551) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:02 PM Author: shaky lay I don't know... Sounds risky! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943659) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:07 PM Author: Slap-happy deer antler digit ratio do i know you? how many people from SLO could there possibly be in LS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943691) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: shaky lay Are you also on law review @ ucla? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13945888) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:52 PM Author: Crystalline Background Story I thought locals always want ties and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944047) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 12:45 PM Author: Comical station " I don't think there's much excuse for a 3L with good grades from a T20 not to have a job."
This shows how clueless you are about such things. You've said repeatedly that law students don't know much about how law firms work (fair enough). Well, the opposite is apparently true too.
I'm not a 3L any more, so my situation isn't exactly what you are responding to, but: I went to a T25, had great grades, clerked for a federal judge last year, and haven't been able to find a job since -- it's been five months now. I'm admitted in three fucking states and can't find shit. Here's a breakdown of my job search:
Craigslist has *only* shitlaw positions in major cities. I.e., the firms that advertise on that site pay about 40k/year, which, with student loans, is simply not affordable. Yet I've still applied because I got nothing else going on, but haven't received a single interview offer. Perhaps it's because these crap firms still receive 400 resumes for the crap job. And when they have severe typos in their ads (which they often do), it doesn't inspire confidence. Craigslist is also non-existent in smaller cities/towns/villages/mud huts.
I tried signing up for contract work in two major cities with about 10 or more agencies in each city. Let me tell you that they are hands down the most incompetent companies I've ever encountered. I can't even *register* with them -- i.e., a five minute interview to see that I'm actually humanoid. When I have registered with them (three were kind enough to let me), they've told me point blank there are no jobs for me unless I've had ONE YEAR document review experience. Not a joke. I've been encouraged to lie and say I've worked with certain programs before to get a job, but I won't do it. When it's been three weeks since I've submitted my resume to them online, I call them up and say, hey I'd like to register if possible. When I tell them I submitted my resume online using their form, the retard answering the phones says, oh you should contact so and so at this email. So I email that person and I hear nothing. And I call again, and the same moron says I should email someone else. So I do and hear nothing. And then I call and she starts to get pissed at me, telling me that the routine is that I have to wait for them to contact me (which they never do). Sometimes they don't answer the phone even, or if I'm transferred to the contract attorney section they are always busy or out of the office. So that hasn't worked.
I check lawjobs.com and similar sites for listings but they are 99% by recruiters. Newspapers have nothing - nothing.
I've checked local bar association websites for listings and they are similarly useless - i.e., PI attorney with 5+ years experience going to court and trying cases, for 35k.
Recruiters will not work with me. No firm wants to pay them 10k or more so they can hire a junior associate, even with a federal clerkship. They can choose among the hundreds that apply directly to them for the nonexistence positions. One recruiter has worked with me -- Lateral Link -- but they are worthless. Every few months I get an email from my contact there asking if I'd be interested in Quinn Emanuel or Pillsbury or whatever. And I say yes please and never hear from the person again. Recently the person forgot who I was and asked me if she hadn't worked with me over a year ago. I clarified for her and haven't heard from her since.
Oh right, I've also tried to volunteer with the local prosecutor and public defender, etc. They won't take me as a volunteer because they don't have such "programs."
I'm forced to live at home, with my parents, in a state I'm not barred in, because unemployment is not enough to live on in a state I *am* barred in. And no, I'm not spending over $1000 to take a fourth bar exam in a state I hate. Oh right, I'm also not current with any state's CLE requirements because I can't afford to take them and don't live in those states.
So what has been useful? One of the states has a weekly publication for attorneys that has some decent jobs on it. I've gotten about two interviews from it in the months I've used it, but haven't landed the job. My school's career website has very few postings (maybe I find something to apply to once every two months), and I've only received one interview from that, which is currently pending. I have a buddy at a top five school and he lets me use his password for that school's job site, but guess what, it also has very little. Why? Because the economy is in the shitter. I apply through USAJobs but never hear anything back. Maybe it's because the Dept. of Agriculture knows I could care less about farm and cow-patty law even though my cover letter says I love it.
Almost always, when I do get an interview, I have trouble convincing the people there that I want to work in that city or state because I'm admitted in three states. I try to tell them I'd love to work for XX in XX city, but they often seem skeptical. Unless you want to work in NYC, it's almost like unless you were born and raised in that state and maybe city too you won't have a damned chance in hell of getting the job. They want "one of them." Your suggestion that people look across the country is, quite frankly, retardedly ignorant of reality. And for people who have already taken the bar somewhere, it's not an option.
That is my life. You clearly have no clue what many people like me are going through right now. It'd be great if you could offer some concrete suggestions. If you can't -- I doubt you can -- don't talk about something you obviously have no clue about. No excuse not to have a job now? Well fuck you buddy. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:08 AM Author: Histrionic mauve gaming laptop meetinghouse ^^^^Powerful posting
"You can almost hear the tears as the splash against the keyboard" ~ Siskel & Roeper
Notice how the flame completely FAILED to respond to your passionate post? |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: Comical station I don't know man. I always thought he was pretty legit, but who knows on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13960038) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 4:59 PM Author: Sexy Library Sorry I don't check the board 24/7 like most of you -- I will, however, be around for a few hours today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962905) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:03 PM Author: Sexy Library I'll admit I can't relate too much with the position you find yourself in; however, in your anger, you seem to have read my post to mean it something plainly didn't. The question asked what I would do. I said I would find a job -- period. "Shitlaw" paying "about 40K/year" is far from ideal. But if I had no other option, that's what I'd do. My point, simply put, was that someone graduating from a top school with good grades should be able to land A job. I said nothing about landing what you would consider a great job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962932) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 6:05 PM Author: Comical station I still don't think you get it.
I *am* applying for crappy work (read my paragraph on Craigslist a little closer). I've never been able to get an interview though. Maybe it's because even "crappy" job ads get 400 resume submissions (they do). Maybe it's because they rightly view me as overqualified and want to hire someone who will stick with them longer.
Not that any of it matters. Say I did land such a job, in, say, New York City. I wouldn't be able to take it. 40k ... hmm, let's see. Last year I made 55k to start, which translated to about 3k/month after taxes. 40k in NYC? Maybe with the higher tax rates I'd bring in 2300. How low can I get rent in the NYC area? $700? $600 to live in a slum? Let's say $750 to be optimistically realistic. Then another $100 for utilities. Then $50 for a phone bill (it's actually higher than that). Then, what is it, $80/month for a subway pass? Then food, which I figure will be at least $300. Then dry cleaning. The loan payments. Oh wait, I can't defer all my loans (seriously), so there goes $1,000 more. Maybe I could squeeze in home internet or cable. Oh wait, no, I'm already in the red. I guess I lose.
Maybe, though, you're right: maybe someone from a top school with good grades *should* be able to land *a* job. But that isn't the way it is. I can't find *anything*. I'm not alone here. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 6:25 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm confused. What were you doing last year for 55K? I thought you were a recent graduate without any job. So you have had some legal experience? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963815) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: Comical station Did you read my post at all? I guess maybe you just skimmed it. I was a clerk to a federal judge last year. The clerkship ended in August. Not surprisingly, other clerks in my courthouse have had trouble finding post-clerkship jobs, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964171) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:13 PM Author: Sexy Library Got it, sorry. To be quite honest, one of the most surprising parts about the recent downturn has been the extent to which clerks have had trouble finding jobs. I know tons of firms that never invited their clerks back. When I was your age, a federal clerkship (even more than top grades) was the easiest way to a prestigious job. I always thought clerkships were overvalued and I have always considered myself in the extreme minority among my peers. Recent times have made me think otherwise. I guess my peers thought so highly of them because a far greater percentage of my peers went the clerkship route (when compared to the average joe schmo lawyer).
Anyway, like you might have guessed, I don't have any great pearls of wisdom for you. Sorry, believe it or not, I wish I did. Hang in there. Our life is determined more by luck than we'd care to admit. It'll turn around for you. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:31 PM Author: Comical station I think people value clerkship experience so much because, almost without fail, all of us can write. And a shockingly high number of attorneys cannot write. Especially for litigation, this would seem to matter a great deal.
One of the other clerks in my courthouse had her offer from her summer firm rescinded. Almost all the others had their start dates pushed back but have started. Those of us who didn't get go into our clerkships with jobs have had a lot of trouble.
I figure it'll work out eventually. But it always irks me when people don't realize the extent of the wasteland out there right now. And there are so very many attorneys, especially senior attorneys like yourself, who have no true or accurate conception the job market for recent classes of graduates (and law students). |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:54 PM Author: Heady burgundy newt I'm a lateral recruiter specializing in midlevel and senior associate placements at large firms. Interested in, the coming months, making a partner placement. What is a good barometer to gauge potential interest in lateraling from passive candidates (i.e. partners) and how can someone like me, on the outside, determine which partners have the capability to bring a book of business with them? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:03 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm not sure you can. And I'm not sure recruiting services can do much for partner placements, at least at the elite levels of firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942728) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:54 PM Author: lavender razzmatazz wrinkle coldplay fan 2L with a summer job at a shaky firm. Best advice for me in securing an offer?
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:04 PM Author: Sexy Library No magic formula here -- Keep your head down and do excellent work. Being social helps, but don't be too social. Come across as intelligent and diligent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942741) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:05 PM Author: lavender razzmatazz wrinkle coldplay fan example of "too social"?
should i just latch onto a rainmaker regardless of what groups are super busy right now? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:07 PM Author: Sexy Library Too social = coming across like the summer associate version of George W. Bush. There are plenty of people who I'd love to have a beer with who I wouldn't trust with the future of my company. There is something to be said for coming across as someone who has some intellectual weight to him. (And I don't mean to make a political statement here -- perception matters, whether that perception is warranted by the facts or not). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942776) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: Drab Roommate you would think that they would hire only SA's with "intellectual weight"... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942791) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:15 PM Author: Sexy Library This is an example of a statement by someone who is not demonstrating "intellectual weight."
Surely you realize that recruiting is an imperfect science, you learn a lot more about someone in a few months than you would in a few hours during an interview, and someone can have a good academic pedigree and still not come across as someone who possess the intellectual weight to succeed in an increasingly competitive environment.
Piggy-backing on my GWB comment above, Bush went to Phillips Academy, Yale, and then Harvard Business School. That doesn't mean he came across as someone who was an intellectual heavyweight. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:56 PM Author: Mewling diverse hunting ground french chef how do you feel about hiring blacks? How are they treated at your office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942676) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:05 PM Author: Sexy Library Like every major lawfirm, we face issues with attracting and retaining black associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942756) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:15 PM Author: Mewling diverse hunting ground french chef why is that? Do they not like it? Not cut out for it? Do you go out of your way to recruit blacks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942842) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:25 PM Author: Sexy Library Every firm I know goes out of its way to recruit black candidates. There just aren't that many qualified black candidates around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942895) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:27 PM Author: Mewling diverse hunting ground french chef qualified = the same grades as whites? what do you mean why going out of your way? hiring blacks with worst grades than their white counterparts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942914) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:29 PM Author: Sexy Library Sure, you can use that definition if you want. Yes, law firms go deeper into the talent pool at law schools to hire black candidates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942926) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: Fragrant Location Blood Rage How deep into classes are we talking? School range/class rank, please be as specific as possible, this is extremely relevant to my situation. thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943109) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:04 PM Author: Sexy Library A lot deeper than most will admit or publicly discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943170) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: Fragrant Location Blood Rage How would a CCN black male in the bottom quarter of his class fare? What vault range would he be looking at (ITE)? thanks again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943194) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:11 PM Author: Sexy Library I think discussions of vault ranges when it comes to recruiting is generally stupid, but I'd be shocked if that didn't guarantee you market salary, which is more than many of your peers can say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943229) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:15 PM Author: Fragrant Location Blood Rage So a cls black guy is virtually guaranteed biglaw? Sorry to sound neurotic, i'm a recently-admitted 0L who's tryin to assess my downside risk.
Last question: So these firms would basically take low-performing minorities, but prob have no intention of keeping them around long, correct? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:22 PM Author: Sexy Library Yes.
It has nothing to do with "intention of keeping them around." Everyone intends for them to succeed -- they just often don't (for various reasons). Do law schools admit lower performing black college students because they have an intention to give them poor grades? Of course not.
Law firms need to hire some black associates. There simply aren't enough elite law school candidates to go around. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:23 PM Author: Fragrant Location Blood Rage thank alot DukeSucks, appreciate the insight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943325) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 10:54 PM Author: Khaki base macaca Subject: DUKESUCKS YOU ARE STUPID RACIST IDIOT How dare you say "there aren't many qualified black candidates around".
You are all racist idiots at the so called biglaw are biglosers. I met many very qualified black students in law school at my law school. I issue is that the racist partners hire hates blacks. BTW I am a white. |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:43 AM Author: Sexy Library I assume this is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951070) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:11 AM Author: Histrionic mauve gaming laptop meetinghouse "I assume this is flame."
Oh, the irony. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:45 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034483) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 3:59 PM Author: brass doobsian dilemma gay wizard How prestige conscious are firms when they consider hiring laterals? One V10 partner I spoke with suggested that, with respect to levels of prestige, you can always lateral "down" but not necessarily lateral "up." Do you agree with this?
Also, what about lateralling from a well known but not super elite boutique to a V100 firm? Is that doable, or does working at a boutique generally close the door to working at larger firms in the future? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:05 PM Author: Hot stead rigpig do you know what lateral means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942754) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:06 PM Author: brass doobsian dilemma gay wizard Your spider sense has yet again failed you, matthew.
"up" and "down" obviously referred to the prestige of firms, not levels of responsibility or seniority. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: Sexy Library I agree completely -- you can generally lateral down but its very tough to lateral up.
No, I don't think working at a boutique closes the door from working at full-service firms that also focus on what that boutique focuses on. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:42 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse People lateral up more than down. hth. That's why they have headhunters you fucking clown. Don't listen to DukeSucks, he's flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14035109) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:53 PM Author: Sexy Library "People lateral up more than down. hth. That's why they have headhunters you fucking clown. Don't listen to DukeSucks, he's flame."
Just quoting this post for its brilliance. Yup, I'm definitely the one who is flame. And you're definitely the one who knows what he's talking about. After all, you have a BROTHER who works in biglaw! Have to love law students who know everything about the practice of law during their second year of law school.
Some elite firms don't even take laterals, moron. You think it would be easier for someone at a V100 to lateral to your brother's "V20" firm than vice versa? Thanks for proving to everyone you're a jackass.
At best, it is easier in some instances to lateral up if you are already a partner and have a great client base that will travel with you. It is certainly not easier to lateral up as an associate. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:05 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch There is a lot of speculation about what grades you need to get for Biglaw nowadays. Some would argue that above median at a T14 will not suffice (when it would have a few years ago). What rank do you think one would need to land a job at your firm and firms in general (or just firms in general if you don't feel comfortable talking about your firm)? Thank you!
Also, what is your opinion on the Ivy League vs Oxbridge debate. Would having an Oxbridge background (UG or Masters) + US T14 law degree provide an advantage at OCI? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:11 PM Author: Sexy Library Above median at a t14 didn't even guarantee an offer at my firm at the height of the boom. Anyway, I think someone who is above the median at a T14 should be able to land a job paying 6 figures. Above median at a T6 or top third at a T14 should make you relatively confident about landing a job paying 160K.
I'm not aware of any Ivy League v. Oxbridge debate. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:14 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch It was a debate we had on this board the other day. In any case, do you think an Oxbridge background would help at all for getting a firm job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942831) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:16 PM Author: Sexy Library I suppose it would help if you happen to be interviewing with someone who also had an Oxbridge background. Otherwise, why would I be more impressed than I would if you went to a great school here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942847) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:23 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch Well, my answer to that would be that Oxbridge is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942888) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:26 PM Author: Sexy Library At what? Producing douchebags who say "Oxbridge is better" in inane internet pissing wars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942902) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:27 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch Wow, this is the first time I have seen you get pissed off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942913) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:32 PM Author: Sexy Library Not really. You guys just give me far too many softballs. I bite my tongue 99% of the time instead of making a cutting response. Nothing personal intended. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942948) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: Learning Disabled Cumskin Principal's Office How much of an advantage do looks play in the hiring process for men and women?
T or F, Hiring a hot woman boosts employee morale. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:19 PM Author: Sexy Library Overblown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942861) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:19 PM Author: Learning Disabled Cumskin Principal's Office answer the TF
You expect me to believe a hot girl doesn't get hired over an average girl if credentials are similar. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:24 PM Author: Sexy Library Like almost everything else, "it depends." Yes, it can boost morale ... if you are insinuating that all the guys are going to love the hot young female associate who just joined. But it can just as easily hurt morale (for example, by causing jealousy among the guys when the girl hooks up with one of them, by causing jealousy among the women for any number of reasons, or by increasing a perception that the firm is not a true meritocracy). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942892) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:26 PM Author: Learning Disabled Cumskin Principal's Office To be fair, you're more likely to see the Chupacabra delivering Chipotle to you late at night than a hot woman in a biglaw office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942906) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:20 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch How much do factors other than school + grades/law review matter? What are these other factors and how much do they weigh into the whole hiring process?
Examples of other factors: interviewing skills, quality of UG, type of UG major etc. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:27 PM Author: Sexy Library Interviewing skills matter more than just about anything else once you get an interview. Quality of UG matters slightly, but not much. Type of UG major only matters if you are looking to be an IP lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942915) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:22 PM Author: 180 bespoke antidepressant drug forum Would clerking for 3 years (one of the clerkships is 2 years) preclude biglaw? The clerkships are federal and none are SCOTUS or top COA's. How would biglaw view that and what tips would you give on presenting myself in that situation? Would they be more open to hiring me if I was willing to take a one-year drop in class credit or does that matter? Would I need an immediate practice area interest?
Are midlaw firms open to hiring ppl who have clerked for 2-3 years? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:44 PM Author: Sexy Library How would you answer this: why did you clerk for 3 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943021) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:47 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams I has fun when I clerkz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943039) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: 180 bespoke antidepressant drug forum one of the clerkships was 2y. One was appellate, the other was district. Wanted to gain lit skillz and exposure to many areas of law. Good enough? also liked the experience
Does good explanation solve the problem? would i get interviews if good resume and good clerkships?
Can you answer the other questions in my original post? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:56 PM Author: Sexy Library If you wanted to get "lit skillz," why didn't you start practicing litigation for years until after you graduated law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943100) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:01 PM Author: 180 bespoke antidepressant drug forum no-offered by summer firm, lol
Is clerking for 2y (its a single 2y clerkship) a non-issue for firms? Especially if I'm willing to just take a 1y class credit? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:04 PM Author: Sexy Library Don't worry about it; it happens. Anyway, many will look at your clerkship experience as valuable. Some will look at it with skepticism. Three years is a bit more than most are used to. And yes, while we slot in Supreme Court and even certain other COA clerks at their appropriate level, I'd be surprised if you didn't have to give up a year when lateraling in after 3 years of clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943164) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:25 PM Author: 180 bespoke antidepressant drug forum How's the biglaw market looking now? ITE over? Is there going to be big fundamental change, or was ITE just a really bad patch and things will move back to pre-ITE by 2011/12 (huge summer classes, high voluntary attrition, rapid growth, NY to 190)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942897) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: Sexy Library ITE was a much needed correction. It is the new default. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943054) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:27 PM Author: Flushed school cafeteria old irish cottage If a fag knows a lot about college football, will that help him get hired, even though he is a cocksucking fag? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942912) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:31 PM Author: Nofapping appetizing gas station crotch What 2L/3L classes would you recommend for someone who hasn't decided on lit or corp (but is set on Biglaw)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942946) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:49 PM Author: Sexy Library Whatever the hell you want. It's not like you're going to learn much you can actually use when you go practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943047) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:33 PM Author: Costumed vibrant church turdskin will 3L oci exist next year? if so will it be a sham? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942964) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: Maize beady-eyed spot worst habit? u into expensive jewelry? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13942980) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: Sexy Library I don't care much about overpriced jewelery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943051) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:41 PM Author: Hyperactive shrine nibblets What were your total earnings for 2009?
How many years were you an associate before becoming a partner?
What suit would you recommend for a first year biglaw associate? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: Sexy Library No comment. No comment. Generic black/gray/navy blue. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:46 PM Author: henna resort I can't believe you aspies are stupid enough to be buying this flame for the umpteenth time. Stupid and aspie is a horrible combo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943031) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams ummm.. this guy is REAL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943053) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: henna resort I"M CONVINCED!1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943199) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: Overrated Medicated Jew Stage Even if he's not a biglaw partner, it's at least a joy to read his writing. It is so concise and well-constructed compared to most things I read during the day. This guy pwns XOers at an unheard of rate. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:12 PM Author: Provocative parlor personal credit line 174 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966004) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: red passionate trust fund Your bad flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943095) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: Sexy Library Not as bad as your bad grammar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943108) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:00 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams I BELIEVE in you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943138) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:06 PM Author: Sexy Library I don't care if you do (or if that guy does). I truly don't understand the "flame or not" debate. Who gives a damn. If you think I'm flame, don't pay any attention to me. If you think I give bad advice, don't pay any attention to me. If you think I'm otherwise uninteresting, don't pay any attention to me. But what kind of a douchebag cares about whether some random guy on the internet really is who he claims to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943188) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: henna resort it's pathetic that a 30 year old basement virgin would pretend to be a biglaw partner on a shady corner of the internet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943205) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:12 PM Author: Khaki base macaca Subject: GET OUT OF THIS BOARD Dukesuckes (DICKSUCKER) THIS DUDE - DUKESUCKS is truly a Virgin living in mum's basement. LOL hahahahahahahahahaha
This asshole thinks a BIGLAW PARTNER is prestigious - shame. There better careers out there. Stop fooling yourselves. ITE reveals how hopeless they are.
"it's pathetic that a 30 year old basement virgin would pretend to be a biglaw partner on a shady corner of the internet",.............I AGREE.
out of this board...NOW dicksucker |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:20 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm not sure I really understand this schtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034838) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:25 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams I think that big law partners are typically the scum of the earth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943344) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: red passionate trust fund you're grammar isn't exactly perfect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943203) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:00 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams your bad flame... what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943133) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: red passionate trust fund I'm just saying he's bad flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943196) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: seedy stain NY to 190? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943174) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:09 PM Author: demanding high-end temple round eye how will Perry be decided when it gets to SCOTUS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943213) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:14 PM Author: Sexy Library History has already decided the case and the course of this debate. SCOTUS will either get it right the first time around, or a future SCOTUS case will overturn it eventually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943254) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 8:03 PM Author: Boyish haunting brunch trump supporter Why should this debate culminate in a farcical "interpretation" of the "constitution?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944648) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 8:17 AM Author: Swollen abnormal legend incisive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13950324) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:15 PM Author: big-titted school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943257) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: shaky lay You should do pretty well. But why BIGLAW? Why not somewhere better? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943271) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:19 PM Author: big-titted school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943294) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: Sexy Library You have good, not guaranteed chances (and I'd say that even if you had left the firm voluntarily to go clerk). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943524) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:36 PM Author: Splenetic mental disorder Do you think there will be any hiring of 3Ls during OCI next year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943451) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:45 PM Author: Sexy Library Yes. Will it be as much as there was during the 05-08 years? No.
I actually hope there is a ton of 3L hiring next year based on much smaller 2L hiring this year. Our hiring model is absurd. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: Splenetic mental disorder Thanks for the glimmer of hope.
Not that I know anything but the Big law firm hiring model seems a lot like the MLB draft. Where you draft a lot of people and spend a lot of money in the hopes of cranking out a few stars in 5-6 years. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Sexy Library That's a great analogy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943642) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Bright Ape How do you look at non-URMs in the bottom quarter/third at HLS when hiring?
Seems to me they're probably at least as good students as many people you end up hiring from lower schools (say top 25% at T10-14), they're just competing against a better group, or is this a bad assumption? Do you assume other issues, like they're smart but just not cut out for legal thinking? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: Sexy Library I'd much rather hire a kid from the top quarter at BU/BC than the bottom quarter at Harvard. I could sleepwalk my way to being in the bottom quarter at HLS. I couldn't sleepwalk by way to doing very well at a very good law school. There is something to be said for people who can beat out their peers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943670) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:14 PM Author: Bright Ape Fair--I'd feel the same way I guess. I was kind of curious why (even ITE) so many people at HLS struck out at OCI.
So is the main concern about work ethic then? Is there anything these HLS people could do to increase their chances? I'm assuming some of them are at least as talented as many people at other schools who are getting decent jobs (after all, someone is going to be bottom quarter no matter what, even though everyone seems to be working their asses off in the 1L/2L classes now), so it seems ridiculous that they can't find any jobs. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: Stimulating theater "I was kind of curious why (even ITE) so many people at HLS struck out at OCI."
link? source? |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:57 PM Author: Bright Ape I know a bunch of 2Ls who didn't get jobs. Don't know the percentage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944082) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 7:15 PM Author: Stimulating theater DEFINE "a bunch" in terms of # if not %
STATE how current your information is.
I have many many friends and cannot think of a one that has no job. Last person I knew without something got a job lined up over xmas break (firm in ny, not some pi internship) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:52 AM Author: Sexy Library I don't think the concern is work ethic ... it's just that human beings are competitive and like winners. We want people we associate with to be better than their peers, whatever the peer group may be.
This debate is similar to the whole pissing match about "[person] was laid off from [very good firm]. That firm sucks -- [person] is obviously a very talented person and will make a great lawyer.' That person may make a great lawyer, but it's all relative. Someone needs to be shown the door. Everyone doesn't get to make partner. We expect to keep those who are better than their peers. And we expect to hire those who are better than their peers. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:07 PM Author: shaky lay I love these nonsensical comparisons btw bottom x% at HLS and top y% at random TTT. The bottom quarter of any school is mostly lazy people or alcoholics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943690) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:50 PM Author: Bright Ape My year, probably, but everyone seems to be working harder in the last couple classes and yet some of them will inevitably still be bottom quarter. Can't imagine they're all losers who deserve to be jobless, so I'm interested in knowing what they should do.
Problem is most people at top law schools have no clue what to do if things don't work out according to some set formula that's been followed for 20 years (good LSAT+good GPA->HLS->2L OCI->Biglaw SA->job upon graduation). Not the most resourceful bunch. |
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Date: January 31st, 2010 2:22 AM Author: Beta Razzle-dazzle Center You don't need to be a partner to know your assumption is terrible. Given that transfers from TTTs succeed at T14s, why would a good student from a T14 wouldn't beat out most of the HLS class?
I would bet on a top 25% GULC student against a median HLS student any day, let alone a bottom third or quarter HLS student. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:26 PM Author: translucent spectacular home boiling water At what point in my career will my LS grades stop being a scarlet letter? I graduated '07 from a T2, bottom half of my class and I know I fucked up.
I have relevant credentials to distinguish me within the subset of law that I practice (think tax law, patent law), but even two years out I feel like a firm asking to review my transcripts is the kiss of death. |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: Bright Ape Have you practiced in the meantime? Why would time alone make a difference? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944087) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 7:15 PM Author: translucent spectacular home boiling water I've been in practice ~2 years at a mid-size firm in the aforementioned sub-specialty of law. Time alone won't make a difference, but I hope it's not beyond the realm of possibility that someone who did poorly in LS as a 22 year old wouldn't be shackled by that misstep when he is, say, 28, and has three years of relevant experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944204) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:39 PM Author: Sexy Library I feel like it's not uncommon to be asked for your law school transcript even a decade out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034427) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:27 PM Author: pink immigrant doctorate would you advise your kids to go into law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13943846) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:43 AM Author: Sexy Library Probably not. Although I wouldn't advice them against it either if they really wanted to do it ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951073) |
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Date: January 31st, 2010 4:05 PM Author: Puce Motley Theatre Filthpig Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13972242) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:32 PM Author: Sexy Library Even assuming you have the aptitude for it, it takes an incredible amount of dedication and luck to succeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034320) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: Stimulating theater If I told you my HLS 1L grades (on the new H-P-LP system), would you have any estimate as to where that would put me in % of the class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13944081) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:16 PM Author: Khaki base macaca get the hell out of this board dukesucks - you fool. Who care if you are a partner or gigolo fool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13946930) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:54 AM Author: Sexy Library No. But believe it or not, law schools provide firms that data. Hiring committees almost always know the scale at any school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951123) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: Stimulating theater Do you know whether HLS provides this? If so, they are outright lying to their students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13952877) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm pretty sure I have seen this data in the past. Not sure if they stopped doing this. Ask me again in a few months when recruiting season starts up again -- I'll try checking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962991) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:20 PM Author: Low-t Insane Range what do you know about the litigation communications industry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13946978) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:44 AM Author: Sexy Library Are you referring to PR firms and the like? If so, there are 1 or 2 I usually go to when needed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951077) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: Low-t Insane Range how often is it needed? generally what firms? I have journalism training so I'm wondering if this would be a good "non-law" career to consider if the legal economy or my legal education are ruined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963025) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:18 PM Author: Sexy Library Needed a lot more in my line of work than other areas of the law. Almost every major white-collar/securities issue at a Fortune 500 company comes with PR challenges. A lot of it is handled in house, but sometimes you need to call in the pros for some crisis management. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963093) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 8:02 PM Author: Low-t Insane Range thoughts on ways I could break into the industry? try to get associate-level position at a PR firm with a lit comm dept? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964802) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: Adventurous mood university How do you look at URMs in the bottom third at a T26? If I can transfer and make bottom third somewhere just outside the T14 (UCLA/Texas) would it substantially help my chances? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13947427) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:46 AM Author: Sexy Library You say "make bottom third" as if that's an accomplishment. Anyway, depends on the school and what markets it feeds into. In New York, for example, Fordham may be just as good than Texas. The school/market matters in such decisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951084) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:22 PM Author: Autistic Point Organic Girlfriend You're pathetic. Why are you doing our race a disservice by performing so poorly? What the hell is wrong with you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966148) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:41 PM Author: Adventurous mood university What was your law school rank and was it in the T26? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14037005) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: Adventurous mood university Also, you were right. There really are no fucking 1L diversity jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13947440) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:47 AM Author: Sexy Library You don't say... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951087) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: Curious Athletic Conference How do you feel about albino puerto ricans at T19 bottom 55% with big boobs and good interview skills. Chances at big law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13947540) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 12:07 AM Author: contagious metal crackhouse Subject: Evidence Pass/Fail? DukeSucks - thanks again for posting here. This is a tremendous help for law students and more valuable then most of the advice I get at my school.
I'm a 2L at on of he lower ranked T14s with a roughly median GPA. I'm trying to decide if I should take evidence pass/fail. It's a big class so it's likely to have a higher curve than most of my other classes. If I do well I'd still get the grade on my transcript - the "pass" only kicks in if I do poorly. My question for you boils down to how you would view a "pass" in evidence in someone you were thinking about hiring or were otherwise evaluating? |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 7:24 AM Author: shaky lay Take it for a grade you faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13950259) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:42 AM Author: Sexy Library You are plainly over-thinking it. Having said that, why wouldn't you take it pass/fail if pass only kicks in when you do poorly? Hell, why doesn't everyone do that? If you do well, you get the grade ... otherwise you get a pass? That doesn't sound right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951063) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 11:46 AM Author: Frum Racy Locus Gaping I think this guy is at Gtown and they get like one of those p/f freebies a semester or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13951083) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: Sexy Library Wasn't aware of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962959) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 3:14 PM Author: Bronze Outnumbered Really Tough Guy o noes!! my fictitious message board identity might be known to have fallen for a fake 'flame' partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13952611) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: hideous wonderful casino DukeSucks is a fucking faggot. Hey fag, I dare you to take my quiz to determine if you are a biglaw litigation partner or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13956183) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:04 PM Author: Sexy Library I'm pretty sure this is going to be a waste of everyone's time, but sure, let's see your brilliant questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962948) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Adventurous mood university Are you a biglaw litigation partner? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964230) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:37 PM Author: hideous wonderful casino First, what is the body of law that allows individuals to sue state government entities for violation of federal constitutional rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964551) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:25 PM Author: Excitant locale 1983 via the 14th Amendment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966180) |
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Date: January 31st, 2010 12:05 AM Author: Duck-like partner ARE YOU DUKESUCKS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13967259) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 2:41 AM Author: Electric ivory house Subject: wrong. It is Ex Parte Young. States are immune for damages actions under the Eleventh Amendment. They may only be sued for prospective injunctive relief. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14052806) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:38 AM Author: impertinent state if he got this answer correct, it would actually prove he was a flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14039757) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 9:21 PM Author: cerebral french trailer park mexican has your firm ever hired a federal public defender? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13956223) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:10 PM Author: Sexy Library Not that I recall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963001) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: aphrodisiac brindle kitchen laser beams OUTED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13964233) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 9:24 PM Author: harsh jet electric furnace ticket booth Assess my situation big firm baby associate, few months in firm in meh financial health. has had layoffs informal feedback from people that matter uniformly positive. had 1 project for midlevel early on that could have gone better but wasnt disaster have alternated between getting slammed and complete nothingness. lately have had to BEAT DOWN THE FUCKING DOORS to get scraps of work. last month sub 100 hours |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: Sexy Library That's a recipe for disaster. Practice area? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13962954) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 7:49 PM Author: harsh jet electric furnace ticket booth Corp. one bad month can kill you? advice? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: Sexy Library Of course one month can't kill you. Did you seriously think you'd get fired for billing less than 100 hours in a month? I meant that consistently low hours are a recipe for disaster.
Advice? Get more work. Does your firm have some kind of assignment system? |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: brass doobsian dilemma gay wizard Let's assume that your firm makes offers to 90-95% of its summer associates. What does it take to get no-offered? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963022) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: Sexy Library Terrible work product (for someone whose opinion counts), a terrible personality conflict/issue, or an otherwise fatal lapse in judgment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13963070) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 8:23 PM Author: Swashbuckling Snowy Idea He Suggested Mother So when a summer's work isn't "terrible" per se, but gives you the feeling that the kid's ceiling is mediocrity, what's a partner's perspective as to why he should come on board?
I've only lorded over one summer class during my lengthy tenure in This Venerable Firm, so my perspective here is limited. I just look at the couple of people who were the most marginal and wonder whether we're hoping that they're teachable, or whether we just want two warm bodies on doc reviews/diligence for a few years. |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 8:26 PM Author: impressive tattoo subtle Venable trolling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13965039) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: Swashbuckling Snowy Idea He Suggested Mother What, is Venable full of morons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13965729) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 10:15 PM Author: Excitant locale lol this is what i thot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966061) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: Sexy Library Warm bodies help. Not everyone is partnership material, but you don't need to be partnership material to do good work as an associate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034400) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 11:38 PM Author: Sable quadroon If you were a litigation associate with pretty solid credentials (school, grades, clerkship, etc.) at a top firm where very few people make partner, what would you be looking to do as your next move? Move to a different biglaw firm to try to make partner? Go to a boutique? Go into an elite government job (AUSA, etc.)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#13966955) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:30 PM Author: Sexy Library It would depend heavily on "non-career" factors (family situation and preferences; how much money you already have; how much money you want to have; how much you value things other than professional success). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034300) |
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Date: January 31st, 2010 4:11 PM Author: Puce Motley Theatre Filthpig Subject: Projections for 2010 1. More layoffs for firms in, or around, the top 50? 2. Will the lateral market pick up any steam? 3. Any larger changes expected (change in starting salary, change in salary structure, change in recruiting process etc.) 4. Any substantive and real predictions for 2010 that you are willing to "go on record" (this is all anonymous of course) as anticipating happening throughout 2010? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:28 PM Author: Sexy Library 1. Yes. And even if they aren't fully economic in nature, you guys will call them layoffs. We'll call them the reality of working in an up or out system.
2. Yes, but only in certain practice areas.
3/4. Not really. I expect firms to continue being somewhat gun-shy in their recruiting needs. Having said that, a lot of what we do is labor intensive. From an economic point of view, I have no problem with firms ramping up big time and then deleveraging when needed. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: Puce Motley Theatre Filthpig 1. Yes, we will, but not because we fail to recognize the reality of an up or out system but because of awful management.
2. Which?
3/4. If you have no problem with firms ramping up "big time" and then deleveraging when needed then perhaps you work at Latham. That kind of approach destroys whatever is left to separate a firm from any other business and it cannot be squared up with the massive debt law students take on. Moreover, if that's the way it works at the bottom then that's all the more so the way it should work at the top like real businesses. Oh, you had a bad year as a partner after 20 stellar years? Too bad. Adios. But firms aren't ready to do that (sure they push a few partners out, but the way it'd work in a real business world). Those at the top have really destroyed what once was and left something far worse in its place. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:32 PM Author: orange stock car church building Have you ever killed a man?
Have you ever farted in front of a colleague?
Do you believe in God?
Have you ever thought about fucking Sarah Palin?
What was your least favorite grandma like? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:36 PM Author: Sexy Library No. Yes. No. Yes. No comment. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: orange stock car church building ty for your honesty. you do a great service for this board. ty for that, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034399) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Sexy Library You're welcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034438) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse What Vault Range is your firm in?
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:47 PM Author: Sexy Library Surely you didn't expect an honest response to that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034505) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse Why not? My brother is a Partner at a v10-20 range, good luck figuring out who he is.
I'm a 2L at a T10 school, good luck figuring out who I am.
Answer the fucking question dipshit. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: Sexy Library The better the firm and the more accurate my answer, the more it reveals about myself, "dipshit." If I worked at Cravath, I would presumably say "V3" or some nonsense instead of "V100," even though both answers would be correct. But there is simply no benefit to answering that question with any level of specificity or honesty. Would anything I say have more merit if I said "V20" instead of "V50?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034580) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:59 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse Note that I said "range." There is a benefit so I know where you stand. You're a fucking flaming moron. And yes, V20 would give you far more credibility than if you had just alone said V50. If you said v30 to v40 it would give you more credibility than if you said v20 alone.
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:06 PM Author: Sexy Library I thought steroids gave people small balls, not small brains. If I was "flame," then I wouldn't really think twice about making up some random "range" and throwing it out there, would I? If everything I say is bullshit, why would I care about providing more bullshit answers that may narrow down the list of places where I may work? Further, if I really thought that mentioning a particular Vault range would give me greater credibility, and if I really cared about being credible in your eyes, I similarly wouldn't think twice about making up some random number and throwing it out there. Some of you have the reasoning ability of retards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034702) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse The fact you're questioning my "reasoning ability" based upon a legitimate question that law students generally care about on a board full of law students is indicative to me that you're a fucking peasant. How could I know your reasoning as to why (and I'm saying this knowing you're a complete fucking liar) you shouldn't establish a range of the prestige level of the firm you work for? This question matters because ITE the lower ranked Vaults have generally not treated their associates as well as the higher ranked firms. Therefore, the range of Vault you give me would help me establish whether your perspective is coming from that of a toilet versus that of a more prestigious firm. Obviously, you're too fucking stupid to get that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034775) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: Sexy Library You could know my reasoning by reading any number of other threads where people have asked similar questions and/or where I've hinted at the generally "prestigious" nature of my firm and further indicated that I wont be providing any further information about where I work (and that I generally don't care whether you believe me or not). Or, you know, you could have a modicum of common sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034813) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:25 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse "As a reminder, I don't really read this board, so if you want my 2 cents on a topic, please feel free to ask in this thread something that is already being discussed in other threads." LOL, fail.
"[Y]ou could have a modicum of common sense." Shut the fuck up you clown. I don't sit and read through 220 posts, (and if I were a partner I certainly wouldn't be spending ANY portion of my Saturday afternoon on this festering website). The only reason I'm on here today is to take away time from my LR note due tomorrow night. I have connections and a BROTHER who is a partner at a V10-V20 and certainly don't need your bullshit perspective as a fake litigation partner at some unknown firm.
BTW, common sense indicates to me that a partner at any respectable Biglaw firm wouldn't troll the xoxohth message boards on a Saturday anonymously to give advice. hth you fucking homo. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:43 PM Author: Duck-like partner you go out of your way to use proper quotation rules and then make several grammar mistakes. typical gunner tool. fag.
tell us MOAR about your cool BROTHER |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse He is married and has a child.
Hi, I hide behind a series of dashes and commas because I'm afraid people will realize how stupid I am and they won't remember me this way. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: Sexy Library I can't compete with the brilliance of the "you fucking homo" retorts, but I'll just say that you display an incredible lack of awareness and logical reasoning for someone who's apparently so smart (and busy, not to mention accomplished -- wow, 2L at a T10!).
If your BROTHER is a partner at a V10-V20, surely you'd know that his life isn't that far different from yours when it comes to what he does when he feels like screwing around. He doesn't waste time on the internet? Watch tv? Drink a beer?
The bottom line, however, is that I really couldn't care less whether you believe me or not. No one is forcing you to read my idle commentary. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:54 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse Where is my "incredible lack of awareness" and "logical reasoning?" Nothing I have said is illogical, it's merely stating an opinion that you're full of shit and you haven't been able to back up that you're not. All you do is throw out blanket strawman arguments to back up your idiotic points. All I asked you was the ranking range of your firm in Vault and you respond with some convoluted diatribe as to how I have a complete lack of reasoning for asking a legitimate question.
And you're correct that "no one is forcing me to read your idle commentary" but I don't want the rest of these kids thinking you have any real insight as to what the mindset of partners is right now ITE. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:58 PM Author: Sexy Library Lack of awareness = arguing that it's easier to lateral up than lateral down.
Lack of reasoning = continuing to believe that my refusal to answer questions about where I work says anything at all about how I'm full of shit.
Also, I got a chuckle out of the "I don't want the rest of these kids thinking..." comment. I'm sure your fellow law students appreciate that paternalistic garbage. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse No one is asking you where you work.
Also, in my admittedly subjective experience, I know more people who have lateraled up than down. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:57 PM Author: Histrionic mauve gaming laptop meetinghouse Dude, if you really are a BIGLAW Partner why the hell did you just argue with a law student on an anonymous message board?
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You pretty much just proved his point that you are flame.
Flame that is easy to bait, as well. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 2:48 AM Author: Mahogany idiotic toaster whorehouse He's not even close to being a respectable biglaw partner, it's out of control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14052851) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:36 PM Author: sickened purple pit lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14035043) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: vigorous erotic cruise ship Effect of a bar exam failure ITE? Assume July Bar, start date in September. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14034891) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:54 PM Author: Sexy Library Nearly all firms will fire you if you fail the bar twice. Nearly all firms will look down upon you if you fail the bar once. I'm not sure how much it really changes in this economy. I doubt too many firms are taking the drastic step of enacting policies that fire you on the spot for your first failure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14035273) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 7:20 PM Author: sickened purple pit lettuce i'm a t-14 grad, with a gpa just above 3.0 due to a sharp drop in my 2L grades (difficult family circumstances). worked for a v-10 2L summer, but was no offered because of grades. working as a full-time volunteer attorney at a respected fed agency in big city since august 2009--not getting money. am i doing the right thing? what can i do to get my career back on track? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14036043) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 7:44 PM Author: Ebony thirsty death wish jap How are you paying bills? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1205209&forum_id=2#14036356) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 7:39 PM Author: seedy stain will the tiny SA classes this year give rise to a higher offer rate than the 50-70% that seemed widespread last year?
will 3L OCI be a thing this year due to the tiny classes? |