They would obviously need to have your IP address in order to IP ban you.
It's not a secret that they can start logging IP at the click of a button practically. All it takes is to unslash like two or three lines of PHP to start doing it.
Date: August 7th, 2010 2:33 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
No, I'm just curious as to how up-front rach has been recently in answering questions about IP logging--we already know with a reasonable amount of confidence that he hasn't been completely honest about password encryption.
Date: August 7th, 2010 3:35 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
I thought this place was OK. Rach was some kind of absent, benevolent dictator, and that was fine, because he was a good dood. But now this place is subject to the vanity and whims of his shitty, narcissistic girlfriend, and that makes me feel a lot less comfortable posting here.
Bel doesn't have any information about alts. Apparently Colby hasn't been here for long enough to know that I'm religious about keeping poster info private.
Rach, to be clear: I'm not accusing you of anything. In my own personal experience on the board, putting aside the SY episode (in which I supported you) you have always been good about this, and I think general bitching aside most people appreciate the fact that there are now mods who can - and will - remove outing information as it is posted.
I would personally just like clarification on your policies re: IP tracking, IP logging, alt tracking, etc. I would particularly like you to clarify exactly how much access bel has to your master account - does she know the password? Can she log on and see everything that you see if she wants? From our perspective, it seems like she has relatively unfettered control of it, and to a lot of posters I think that's a pretty scary thing because while we may trust you, the fact that you have chosen to share your life with a girl doesn't mean that we automatically trust her as well.
It's a fair concern. However, nothing has changed. I don't log ips unless someone is spamming, and the sole purpose of that is to ban them. I have to manually turn on a setting to log their individual ip, and only their ip, and that is the extent of ip logging. If I didn't have that feature there would be no way to stop potential spam besides disabling registration for everyone. There is no web server ip logging, nothing of the sort, either.
When someone is banned, the message it displays only includes a variable passed by the client's browser which carries the ip address of the client. It is not recorded, but merely checked against my blacklist of ips to check if the user is banned. Nothing is recorded from the session, not even the ip.
Bel has no access to the database. She cannot run checks on passwords, nor can she see alternate monikers or anything, because she has no access. The veiled threats that she's made are little more than Arab false bravado, and that is the truth. However, I will apologize for once telling her that the source of 90% of the hate threads against her was the box, but it was the truth and I was getting tired of it myself. Maybe that's the reason for Colby's concern.
box seems to be really preoccupied with bashing bel and it's just funny to me, because all I ever saw of her before this was how she appeared in tinychat over and over and was visibly frustrated because people were paying attention to a lively bel instead of an angry girl. So don't worry Colby, I think you're just getting caught up in somebody elses little pissing contest.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:53 PM Author: Smoky bonkers school
no, your post was massively stupid and difficult to read. basically, you got tired of people being mean to your girlfriend when she started outing posters, so you outed more posters. and this is all because she's "lively" (no; everyone hates her because she's a stupid bitch).
If you always take the position of an antagonist, people learn to ignore you whether or not your opinion is valid. That's essentially what I've done with you.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Smoky bonkers school
again with the zen bullshit. if you always take the position of eating pussy, people think you're a faggot whether or not you fuck asses. way to be non-responsive. keep outing posters.
I'm not trying to get dragged into this but if you sincerely believe that rachmiel is an untrustworthy outing fiend, why are you even still posting here?
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:51 PM Author: Smoky bonkers school
ROFL at you adopting bel's self-delusion and continuing to lie. also ROFL at allowing a mod to make threats. you are a pussywhipped bitch man.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:48 PM
Author: rachmiel
It's a fair concern. However, nothing has changed. I don't log ips unless someone is spamming, and the sole purpose of that is to ban them. I have to manually turn on a setting to log their individual ip, and only their ip, and that is the extent of ip logging. If I didn't have that feature there would be no way to stop potential spam besides disabling registration for everyone. There is no web server ip logging, nothing of the sort, either.
When someone is banned, the message it displays only includes a variable passed by the client's browser which carries the ip address of the client. It is not recorded, but merely checked against my blacklist of ips to check if the user is banned. Nothing is recorded from the session, not even the ip.
Bel has no access to the database. She cannot run checks on passwords, nor can she see alternate monikers or anything, because she has no access. The veiled threats that she's made are little more than Arab false bravado, and that is the truth. However, I will apologize for once telling her that the source of 90% of the hate threads against her was the box, but it was the truth and I was getting tired of it myself. Maybe that's the reason for Colby's concern.
box seems to be really preoccupied with bashing bel and it's just funny to me, because all I ever saw of her before this was how she appeared in tinychat over and over and was visibly frustrated because people were paying attention to a lively bel instead of an angry girl. So don't worry Colby, I think you're just getting caught up in somebody elses little pissing contest.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:52 PM Author: Lake Brethren
How did she know it was me that made a flame/joke thread? Her response was something along the lines of "Still butthurt I deleted you on Facebook you little creep?!?" I'm sure it's possible that she could've been *guessing* it was me but I'm not her only detractor. Hell, I wasn't one at all at the time.
I was using a pumo.
After earl established that passwords are encrypted (in a thread *bel* made about me), her post in my parody thread was promptly edited.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:08 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
very interesting.
she has also referenced my posting links to pictures of her, something which i only did on a pumo that had made about six posts total, none remotely revealing of my identity. (this pumo uses the same password as my "box" account.)
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:22 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
yeah more than a handful of posters had said it openly, lisa rowe even in a thread title. i wasnt gonna go on for more than a few days anyways.
its frustrating because i know im a shitty poster most of the time as box but when i have like an anonymous, shticky account i make some pretty decent posts. but then i always end up outing myself/being outed hahaha. i guess ill just be shit foreverrrr :(((((
It's obvious to anyone who pays a semblance of attention. I never even saw Colby when I told bel that box had it out for her, and she already knew that anyway.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
i wasnt going to post from this moniker anymore but jesus, this is absolutely ridiculous.
ive fought with *bel* openly on my "box" moniker and ive created a bunch of threads of the "rating you based on the last four digits of your SSN (bel)" genre in the past week from this moniker, which i have freely admitted is me ("you can recognize me by the fibonnaci pumo"). in addition, i once (in early july) used a different punctuation moniker to post links to some pictures of *bel* that she had previously linked (note: i posted the first two i found by looking through old threads--i didnt intentionally choose unflattering ones) in the context of a discussion of what female posters looked like. in addition, you are aware of my relationship w/ *bel* on my currently active moniker--namely, im trying to push for openness and honesty about her powers on this board, because i, like many others, find it difficult to trust her, especially in a venue where anonymity is so valued.
its not like i have 4983048308 monikers that i use to hate on your gf. jfc.
also, i dont know what youre talking about re: tinychat. i was on tinychat at the same time as *bel* one time and i got off after 10 minutes because my wireless was being really shitty/laggy and i kept being 2 minutes behind the rest of the chat. so yeah i can imagine i appeared a little bit frustrated but not because people were paying more attention to *bel*, lol. ive appeared on tinychat a handful of times besides that, once with estrada and once while ruskie (whom ANY poster would agree is hotter than i am ;]) was present--never at the same time as *bel*.
i know i sound really defensive and i guess i AM being really defensive, but imo its understandable, given how youre twisting the facts to make it sound like i give more than a shit about your girlfriend. she should prob get over herself and stop dragging others down with her narcissism.
I have a newfound respect for you and take back everything I said. Now I realize you're a crusader for justice, who leaves her selfish agenda and ego out of the picture to pursue the greater good.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:14 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
lol. tyft.
all i can say is that a lot of accusations made on this board--of "obsession", of "caring too much", of board activity revolving around "selfish agenda" and "ego"--seem to be incredibly projective and reflect pretty poorly on the accusers.
Oh, please. You've admitted to making alternate monikers to bash someone. Also, you're the one starting threads like this. It's clear who's being obsessive.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:35 PM Author: Smoky bonkers school
how is that at all relevant? you're calling box obsessive for doing something your girlfriend did - and by the way, your girlfriend doing it is the reason box has been aggressive with her since.
nobody is saying there is anything morally wrong, against board rules, or even against board SPIRIT about attacking people in this manner. many of us just think its bitchy as fuck.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:33 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
lol whoa there. ive USED alternate monikers to bash someone, but ive never created them for that purpose, or logged onto them just to be mean-spirited. its necessary to HAVE alternate monikers if youre an outed, high-profile poster (im not gonna ask about, like, birth control as the box) and/or a constantly-retiring poster (no one ever really leaves). so yeah i have alts. and as described above, i once used a pumo alt (because i was, at the time, "retired" as the box) to link to pictures of *bel* that she didnt like. then this shit ended up happening on the colby account, which i created to start fresh on the board, because i was sick of being so out there as the box. (btw, the only reason any of this happened was because i made a cheap bel/monkey joke in the "berlin zoo" thread and bel jumped all over me, revealing that she knew my alts and prompting a lot of questions about what she had access to.) but as described above, its not like im like viciously creating accounts to dis her or any dumb shit like that. im pretty open about how i feel about people.
Don't mischaracterize your neuroses as some kind of quest for transparency and justice for all on the board.
If you were so concerned with board policy, you would have addressed it before I stepped into the picture. You would have demanded my attention, and answers along with it. Instead, you were focused on bashing the most superficial traits of another poster. It's your right in this misanthropic place to mock whomever you wish, but let's not pretend you're some kind of freedom fighter.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:48 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
lol bull fucking shit. instead of posting threads about the dishonesty ive witnessed, i shouldve just emailed you? thats retarded for two reasons:
1) ive emailed you about board concerns before and not received a response
2) the issue here is that I DONT KNOW WHETHER TO TRUST YOU
yes, i dislike *bel*. my recent vocal dislike of her has been just as much about her NASTINESS toward posters like doob and twist as the potential outing implications of the shit shes said. i understand that its difficult for you to trace my anger (or whatever--"anger" is a bit extreme of a word and implies that im sitting here raging, not just mildly annoyed and frustrated by whats going on) because it has so many sources, but believe me when i say that this is largely about how i dont think the way this board is run is ideal. and this goes hand-in-hand with my dislike toward *bel*. i am wary of her as a powerful figure on this board, because i think shes an immature, vindictive, self-centered cunt.
I didn't say you had to e-mail me. I said I was never aware of your crusade for board transparency before I got on your case about spamming pictures of bel. The reason is that you never cared until I interfered with your bel campaign, and now you want to bitch about me. Vindictive? I think so.
twist was traditionally an asshole to bel. There are posts to back it up. So she said that he sounds funny, after he said that she looks funny. He can grow a pair and get over it, or quit talking shit if he can't take it.
I don't know the story with Doob, but I don't think he can honestly say that he hadn't talked shit about her behind her back before she lashed out at him. He'll try to play victim, but who knows what the truth is?
If bel was vindictive, she would be doing the things you're doing. But she's not. So I think you're the one projecting. You are a GIANT projection of neuroses.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
a bunch of stuff happened simultaneously, or at least successively, mang. the doob thing, the twist thing, and her unfounded deletions. it all comes back to the same things: *bel* acting rashly and inconsiderately, *bel* abusing her powers, and the intersection of the two. im sorry that i have so many complaints about *bel*'s actions that it is difficult for you to parse through it all and realize what my (and others') concerns are and you are forced to default to "youre jealous because *bel* is lively and gets attention", but i never really expected more of you, ever.
Unfounded deletions - deleting the pictures you copied and hosted elsewhere and repeatedly posted? (not obsessive at all?)
Then when I told you via e-mail, copying someone's pictures (which, as a side note, are copyrighted, but that's not the point) so that you can re-post them is no less an invasion of their privacy than mentioning someone's quirky speech habits from RL, you acted as if you couldn't comprehend it.
Once again, if you cared so much about injustice , why was your energy directed toward mocking someone's appearance, rather than raising board policy issues? My only explanation is that you move from one thing to bitch about to another, because it is the essence of an unstable personality. You have to keep going and magnifying problems because you ARE obsessed, and the reason I resent it is because when other people hear it, they assume the worst.
Date: August 7th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
repeatedly posted over the span of five minutes, sure. again, i concede that this is "spamming" in a sense, but why was she allowed to delete the posts in the first place? the pictures were originally released by her to the board. it seems unfair that other posters (e.g. rasqie) arent granted the privilege to remove links to photographs that they regret posting. (and let me tell you, rasqie has some stuff out there that is worse than, you know, unflattering pictures of a monkey face!)
how about the threads she garbaged? how were those founded? what i did was NOT spam. i posted one thread drawing attention to what she was doing; after that was garbaged, i posted another drawing attention to the fact that she was garbaging threads unfairly, and so on.
"Once again, if you cared so much about injustice , why was your energy directed toward mocking someone's appearance, rather than raising board policy issues? My only explanation is that you move from one thing to bitch about to another."
are you retarded or am i unclear (or both)? that is exactly what i just addressed. i have criticized many things about *bel*'s behavior because she has acted reprehensibly in many ways. again, if its easier for you not to filter through it all and to just accuse me of being "unstable" rather than address my and others' concerns, then okay, do that.
the thread in which i criticized *bel*'s appearance was reactive. i was genuinely upset about her nastiness toward other posters re: irl traits, so i posted a nasty thread about her in response (re: irl traits). i admitted this to you the other night: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1384395&mc=305&forum_id=2#15675620
so yes, we are petty board females; we attack one another's appearances. this is a minor point, here, and your choosing to focus on it (and acting as though this is MY main focus) is clearly an attempt to avoid having to think about or deal with more important issues. i am not surprised; ive never expected much from you.
Date: August 7th, 2010 7:08 PM Author: Lake Brethren
If we don't know the truth how is the creation of that thread about me OK? I mean, I know it's perfectly OK to do but it isn't justifiable. I assure you I hadn't talked shit about your girlfriend behind her back and in fact BlueSmoke seemed to have been aware of *bel* "not liking" me for "a long time." Seems to me like it was the other way around.
Date: August 7th, 2010 3:46 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
Two nights ago, I noticed that BEL had recently posted to a link of some myspacey pictures of herself in a thread. I remembered that a few weeks ago, when a pumo had posted some pictures of her (which had originally been posted by her but were not incredibly attractive), she had deleted them, saying that "something terrible" had happened IRL and that she had to "keep a low profile". I realized that she had probably fabricated the story in order to keep ugly pictures of her off of the board. I posted a thread describing this situation - http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1388297&mc=37&forum_id=2#15716014 - and followed it with links to some of the offending pictures, which were promptly deleted. I reposted them several times within that thread and they were instantly deleted each time (you can see all the blank posts). I'll concede that reposting those links was spamming, in a sense; however, I don't think that she had any right to delete the pictures in the first place, as (1) they were originally posted by her and (2) she links to pictures of herself all the time. So spamming seems justified in that sense, because it is fighting unfair deletion.
Date: August 7th, 2010 4:03 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
Well, if they lie about this, I'm inclined to believe that they lie about a lot of other things. There is very strong evidence that BEL is able to identify posters' alts (most likely through logs of encrypted passwords--so only if you use the same password between different accounts) and has capitalized on this knowledge in order to be a cunt in the past, but she and rach have denied this.
with MySQL, it's very trivial to compare encrypted password strings. so your rite, my friend, but I do like to think that bel and Rach are not bored enough to be doing that.
Date: August 7th, 2010 4:04 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
All of the threads linked were posted between 11:31 and 11:46 PM. My ban was at 11:56 PM and I spent another 20 minutes online after that before going to sleep.
Date: August 7th, 2010 5:36 PM Author: flushed stead headpube
A few more general questions, which are not very important to me in comparison to the broader privacy issues at hand but I feel require addressing:
If a poster releases photographs of him- or herself regularly, are other posters allowed to provide links to photographs that this poster has released in the past, even if this poster is no longer happy with that picture being out there (suppose, because it's unflattering)?
In addition, what are the grounds on which a thread should be garbaged?
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
the pw is scrambled. it was my (box's) asian megaposter shtick, which rach outed as me twice. im actually legitimately frustrated right now lol because i was having a lot of fun with that moniker before i let myself get involved in this stupid shit and drew attention to myself.
I like how you have evolved as a poster - you are branching out into schticks more and becoming more meanspirited and jaded and paranoid and secretive in the process.
Date: August 7th, 2010 6:24 PM Author: mildly autistic rigpig area
lol colby wasnt meanspirited or jaded or paranoid or secretive at all until this stupid shit went down. ughhhhhhh im just destined to be a shitty attn whorey female poaster forever :[
Date: August 7th, 2010 7:48 PM Author: boyish frum degenerate new version
dude I think bel is fun and who cares what she says about him but for him to have the audacity to run to the board and defend her makes him like like the biggest punk in the world.
Date: August 7th, 2010 7:48 PM Author: Smoky bonkers school
yeah i mean obviously my perspective on their relationship is not the only one but i don't know why he'd even stay in such an abusive situation. but yeah definitely if she does shit like that and then he white knights her like this it's an even more obvious imbalance.
Date: August 7th, 2010 7:50 PM Author: Swashbuckling slate market
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Date: August 7th, 2010 6:14 PM
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lol. tyft.
all i can say is that a lot of accusations made on this board--of "obsession", of "caring too much", of board activity revolving around "selfish agenda" and "ego"--seem to be incredibly projective and reflect pretty poorly on the accusers.