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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:20 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch August 17, 2010 1:17 PM ABA Considers Accrediting Overseas Law SchoolsPosted by Claire Zillman An American Bar Association committee has recommended that the ABA consider accrediting law schools outside the United States, according to a story in Am Law Daily sibling publication The National Law Journal. The committee--composed of law professors, attorneys, judges, and law school deans--distributed its report to state supreme court justices, ABA leaders, and top law school administrators last week, the NLJ reports. In the report, the panel said that--with state supreme courts and bar associations are under mounting pressure to make decisions about whether to admit foreign lawyers--expanding the ABA's accreditation would "provide additional guidance for state supreme courts when lawyers trained outside the U.S. seek to be allowed to sit for a U.S. bar examination," the NLJ reports. Broadening the ABA's accreditation overseas would be in line with the globalization of the legal profession, the committee said. The panel cited figures from the National Conference of Bar Examiners that show between 4,000 and 5,000 foreign-trained lawyers sit for the bar each year in the U.S. If the ABA continues to limit its accreditation to the U.S., the committee wrote, states will be inconsistent in how they admit foreign-trained lawyers, according to the NLJ. One possible downside to accrediting international school, according to the committee: doing so could expand practice opportunities for lawyers trained overseas, while providing no reciprocal benefit for U.S. law school graduates. There could also be political fallout if the ABA failed to accredit a government-sponsored law school, reports the NLJ. The committee said that foreign law schools, not the ABA, should pay for the cost of overseas accreditation. The committee was appointed in June; the ABA's Council on Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar will consider its recommendations in December http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2010/08/overseaslawschools.html |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:22 PM Author: pontificating canary ticket booth excellent news (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810588) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:22 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch Why isn't there a rival to the ABA? That thing is shit. If there were a second, more elite group that could start shitting on them, it would pwn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810595) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: motley property idiot NBA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810609) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: Shivering Curious Theatre The department of education has given its power up to the ABA to determined accredited law schools.
That means they're arbiter of who gets to take out ultimately bad debt (student loans for TTTs) from the feds. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:24 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch BFD, there needs to be another signaling group to say that they're truly legit, and let the ABA be relegated to rubber-stamping Universities of Phoenix in Thailand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810619) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:26 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk unfortunately the state bar agencies and the big firms paying a living wage in this profession only care about the ABA's rubber stamp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810639) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:36 PM Author: salmon comical station AALS Mostly insufferable ivory tower types, but they'd do a much better job than the ABA has. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 6:53 PM Author: Razzle mad-dog skullcap As much as it pains me to say it, the AALS is probably even more byzantine than the ABA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812444) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk fuck me raw.
the AMA does a much better job representing its profession. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: Fighting Disturbing Locale "much better job" is a bit of an understatement
the ABA literally does everything in its power to funnel MOAR LAWYERS into what is already a comically oversaturated market |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:25 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant "One possible downside to accrediting international school, according to the committee: doing so could expand practice opportunities for lawyers trained overseas, while providing no reciprocal benefit for U.S. law school graduates." OMG RLY? |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:25 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk YA WAI! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810633) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:27 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant MAN THATS CRAZY I WISH THAT AMERICAN LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES HAD SOME SORT OF POWERFUL ORGANIZATION TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810657) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker OMG.
EXCEPT - Tulane, LSU and Loyola grads.
DIDN'T STUDY CIVIL LAW AND CAN'T SPEAK A SECOND LANGUAGE PWN3D. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:27 PM Author: nubile halford trump supporter Wow. Just wow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810649) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:46 PM Author: onyx cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811560) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:31 PM Author: bearded deer antler I pay 4k a year, so take you bum. ABA accreditation is overrated!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811902) |
Date: August 17th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: motley property idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810605) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:27 PM Author: Doobsian carmine factory reset button corn cake just posting to bump & say the ABA is shit, P-S (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810652) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:27 PM Author: know-it-all rehab the korean bar has like a 2% pass rate. that would be like there being no lawyers in the U.S. who didn't score at least a ~171 on the LSAT. in most places, if you become a lawyer, you're a baller just because you entered the profession. in america, you can go to columbia, get lathamed, and be fucked. lol, we're such scrubs. fuck it..let's just push this to the extreme. that's the only way things are going to change. let anyone who can sign their name on a piece of paper be a lawyer and let the american people see how great it is to have a standardless legal system. after enough malpractice and fuckups, and a few michael moore documentaries, the american people will beg for reform. and then we strike. the easiest way to fix this whole situation would be to get rid of guaranteed federal loans for graduate school. any science phd program worth a damn is free anyway. and promising prospects for other programs will be able to find private lenders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810653) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:37 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker tcr.
But what frightens me is that we are pussies. we should be organizing and starting firms and being alpha and causing trouble. Instead its - "just got lathamed. can i get into library school?" |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk *starts firm out of law school
*strives for a big client who can provide good revenue stream
*fails utterly
*joins the crowded contingency-fee marketplace |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:42 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker No. You just start suing the fuck out of people and being alpha and kicking ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810794) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:44 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk lawsuits cost big bucks, dood.
*takes out emergency bar study loan to fund a discovery request in pro se litigation |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:47 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker People are right when they bash you guys and say you have no entrepreneurial spirit. Of course, this is pot and kettle, because I wouldn't do it either. But I can imagine someone who is smart enough and willing to hustle enough to kick some ass and who doesn't fold like a soup sandwhich.
"got law degree. No big firm job. Can i be a gym teacher?"
It's sad man. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk it's not a matter of spirit and moxie, guy. it's a matter of a war chest.
insurance companies and/or whatever deep pocket you sue will attempt to bankrupt you unless you have an exceedingly cut-and-dried case - that's their litigation strategy.
a simple car crash PI case will probably incur 5k in expenses. do you have that kind of cash to float? |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:51 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker is it possible to imagine a scenerio where through marketing and local advertising you can get some cut and dry cases early on to get some money (grandma slips at walmart, etc). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810854) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk lol - grandma slipping at wal-mart is not a cut-and-dried case.
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker find a new profession bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810882) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:52 PM Author: Histrionic ivory gaping house lol idiot. discovery REQUESTS cost nothing, just your time and the paper they're printed on you fucking moron shit eater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810860) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:53 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker i don't know who is right here. and to be honest i jumped ship. i'd rather live in a box than do this shit. but lawyers just basically want to show up and sit at a desk. they should have done big four accounting or something. that would be more suited to most of them. the fact that they fear shit law ID firms is kinda hilarious though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810870) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Histrionic ivory gaping house i'm right about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810894) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:58 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker my gut tells me that that they are pussies and they shouldn't be lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810903) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:59 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk you don't actually believe that the subject of the subpoena has to pay for the photocopies of the materials, do you?
lulz. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:02 PM Author: Histrionic ivory gaping house wow you're either very stupid or a reasonably funny guy making the best out of a fuck up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810932) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:13 PM Author: sick sweet tailpipe TCR, plus for PI you need expert certifications for practically everything. How many of you fuckers have 5k to throw at a doctor? If the depo runs 2 days its fucking 10k. You gotta pay for transcript too and those arent cheap. Those transcriptionists dont make minimum wage. Any decent case takes close to 100k just to get to trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811306) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker hmmm...
who do i believe? alpha friends and family member who have giant balls and who are successful and play the game like a sport or shitlaw steve who couldn't earn enough money of his own volition to dry-clean his yarmulke? |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: onyx cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811587) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:56 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811638) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:28 PM Author: drab striped hyena useless brakes Flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810665) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:30 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant Seriously though, this is shocking. Why the fuck is the ABA trolling for MOAR FOREIGN LAWYURZ in an already insanely saturated market. Over-accrediting inside the US wasnt fucking us enough? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810686) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker Big law and industry said: "hey we need cheap labor"
ABA says: "Ok, let's do this" |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:39 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:45 PM Author: Idiotic Provocative Roast Beef Yeah normally they would be trying to protect the wages of their members like most associations. However, most lawyers aren't self employed. I think by inflating supply, they are trying to keep the top of the industry soaking in cash because they don't have to pay their employees as much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810812) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810841) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:33 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel ABA must hate attorneys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810718) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:34 PM Author: orange national security agency school cafeteria our profession needs a genghis kahn type figure to conquer the ABA and cut off some heads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810723) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant first order of business, ~20 law schools + one BIGSTATE school in each state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810746) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:40 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch Even if you just cut Cooley, you axe almost 5% of all law school graduates each year. We should be looking to cut 10,000 attorneys a year--that's still 30,000 law students each year, and a lot of attorneys, but can you imagine how much easier it would be with 25% fewer law school graduates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810772) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:41 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker If you can get into a top 50 school, you should be able to get a job. That's just how it should be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810788) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:42 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel I think the WSJ found there is a need for 30k new attorneys a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810791) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:43 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker doesn't seem that way though does it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810799) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:48 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel Sadly 43k of graduates makes the demand for new attorneys seem smaller than it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810834) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:50 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker lol.
30K demand. 15K of that 30K is temping. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:51 PM Author: know-it-all rehab 17-25 a hour for 10 hours a day is a job dood. not the best job in the world but it's a job
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlUfXhPah7I (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810890) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel Honestly if this happens they should get rid of bar exam and licensing, and allow anyone to practice law. It isn't a profession anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810748) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: internet-worthy learning disabled regret immigrant crcrcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810754) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:39 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810760) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:43 PM Author: Federal crimson cruise ship pozpig Well fuck me... Thanks ABA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810795) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:48 PM Author: drab striped hyena useless brakes A Boies partner is behind all of this. http://www.abanet.org/media/zackbio.html |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:55 PM Author: Histrionic ivory gaping house Can't we vote out these morons? Doesn't anyone want to run a protectionist agenda ala ADA or AMA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810885) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Supple Pocket Flask Alpha Ahahahaha American education FOR SALE! Ahahahahahahaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810893) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:02 PM Author: vivacious vermilion forum trust fund THANKS OBAMA! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810935) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:08 PM Author: black philosopher-king plaza I met someone who was going to asia on some kind of fellowship to start laying the groundwork for a U.S. accredited law school there. I thought she was full of shit at the time, because no way in hell would the ABA start IMPORTING FUCKING LAWYERS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810971) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:09 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker holy fucking shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810977) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:11 PM Author: know-it-all rehab who is sponsoring her "fellowship"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15810998) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:13 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel Kill American Attorneys Action Fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811016) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:20 PM Author: black philosopher-king plaza I wish I could remember. I want to say that it was somehow affiliated with a respectable school, but it was also clear there was some private funding too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811058) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:22 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch http://stl.szpku.edu.cn/en/about/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811071) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:24 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk it figures that a jew is the one selling us out. ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811082) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:31 PM Author: cerebral kitchen internal respiration wow hilarious. It's affiliated with Beijing University, but it's not even in Beijing. LMAO. This doesn't seem like a cash cow get rich scheme AT ALL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811443) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:12 PM Author: Histrionic ivory gaping house there is probably a lot of money to be made as a licensed amerian lawyer with this new market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811009) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:15 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch cr, can you imagine how much $ and influence you'd have by training ABA-approved licensed lawyers in some shithole like China or India, where American firms would be begging to ship work overseas to them to do substantive doc review and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811027) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:17 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker you could probably even set it up where you made .50 on each 1.50 of their hourly wage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811045) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:16 PM Author: Bright jew church ABA's legal education plan: create the biggest competition pool amongst students ever to truly (and arbitrarily) separate top students using archaic education models. great for employers, who have their pick at great attorney prospects like a mexican picking strawberries. moreover, ingrain a sense of competition and striverism within each student so they'll illusion themselves with ideals of prestige and "making it" - thus, little to no backlash.
it's the perfect scheme. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:23 PM Author: black philosopher-king plaza You forgot: allow every school that can slap together a law library and a moot court room to open up an accredited law school and use that law school as a cash cow by charging rates based on t14 tuition to anyone with a 150 LSAT. When student debt levels get so high that they can't take shitwork and still service their debt, import lawyers from China. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:30 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel You nailed it. I think ABA policies going to destroy the bottom end of the T14
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:16 PM Author: Hot fluffy lay stain Woah.
Law will go the way of engineering and IT professions. And much like technical workers, lawyers on the whole will be too beta to do anything about their profession getting gutted. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:17 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811048) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:28 PM Author: aqua keepsake machete turdskin except in engineering and IT you don't have to graduate from one of 14 schools to have a shot at a job paying more than 60k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811096) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:20 PM Author: nubile halford trump supporter Key words "a shot". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:12 PM Author: nubile halford trump supporter tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811301) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 6:47 PM Author: sick sweet tailpipe As long as there are big companies whose boards need to cover their asses they will pay lawyers $800 an hour to write memos. The only problem is you dont need many lawyers to do this sort of shit, easily 1/2 as many as we have today would be sufficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812399) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:26 PM Author: Lime lascivious community account Reaction of lawyers/law students upon seeing this: http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad232/akxr79/MISC/sitch.gif |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:27 PM Author: Jet vigorous haunted graveyard crotch GWU offers a Mumbai campus: http://www.discoverasia.com.au/images/editor_images/china/india-train.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811091) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: Lime lascivious community account That's nice, but I'm not Indian.
I lol even harder at people accusing me of being Indian or saying MM = PP after our STYLIN on tinychat. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 3:30 PM Author: black philosopher-king plaza According to the article, the best reason they could come up with is that it would provide guidance for state bars in allowing foreign lawyers to sit for the bar. What the hell kind of justification is that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811111) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:01 PM Author: cobalt infuriating public bath Do you now agree with me on
Optometrist >>>>>>>>>>> lawyer ?? |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: Fragrant angry goal in life chapel Pubic hair barber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attorney (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811279) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:11 PM Author: nubile halford trump supporter tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811298) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:18 PM Author: Big Ocher Dilemma Doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811326) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:18 PM Author: heady saffron electric furnace stag film Whom do we write to to express our displeasure at this? Who might lobby on our behalf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811325) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:19 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk your director of career services and/or your mother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811332) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:20 PM Author: heady saffron electric furnace stag film This would truly kill U.S. students' hopes of practicing international law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811335) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: cobalt infuriating public bath Haha, and some of you dummies still think lawyers are better than optometrists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811599) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:53 PM Author: heady saffron electric furnace stag film Ironically, those who went to optometry school had better vision than those of us who went to law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811616) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: Unhinged poppy garrison milk O NOES YOU DIDN'T JUST BUST OUT A SIGHT-THEMED JOKE IN AN OPTOMETRY POAST! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811630) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:56 PM Author: heady saffron electric furnace stag film lulz, you got me!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811640) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: Twinkling Weed Whacker *goes crazy* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811645) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:13 PM Author: Maize university gotta go where the firms want to hire talent from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811771) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:16 PM Author: disrespectful aphrodisiac double fault Walmartization of the profession awwww yea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811786) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:37 PM Author: exhilarant resort coldplay fan how can people get on the ABA? can a bunch of young attorneys vote people in to serve their interests? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15811946) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 5:50 PM Author: crystalline piazza police squad This article left me speechless. Honestly, I don't what to say at this point. This profession desperately needs to eliminate 50 to 100 law schools, and these assholes want to flood the market even more? I swear, these shitbirds don't give a flying ratfuck about anyone other than the couple hundred largest firms out there.
May they all die in a fire. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 6:34 PM Author: cobalt infuriating public bath Any dumb fuck who still thinks that lawyers are better than optometrists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812308) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 6:45 PM Author: sick sweet tailpipe Im actually an ABA member and I even have the ABA credit card that I whip it to impress the bitches (when my wife is looking the other way). Whatever the national optometry associetion calls itself, I bet you they dont offer their members a credit card. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812388) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: know-it-all rehab did you guys look at the price? it's ~20k fucking american dollars per year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812457) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 7:04 PM Author: Razzle mad-dog skullcap I never joined the ABA because it seemed like a fairly large waste of time, essentially a glorified state bar organization, which is basically networking and Kiwanis Club-like celebrity among those who really, truly think it's important. Even though they're basically a rubber stamp for any law school and have abdicated their role in requiring transparency from law schools.
If someone were really, truly serious about trying to compete with the ABA, it wouldn't be very hard to do, if someone were committed. A number of attorneys, generally more conservative, and a number of organizations, like the Federalist Society, really despise a lot of the work of the ABA. They've moved away from a more neutral arbiter acting on behalf of all lawyers to a captured group intent on promoting certain substantive aims of the law (for instance, the unanimous resolution advocating for same-sex marriage last week), or in its judicial rankings (well documented for whatever you can make of it). Which may all be well and good, but it shows that the ABA isn't terribly committed to serving the 1 million JDs out there.
So you'd need to get some of that Federalist Society-backed money and outrage to create a more selective, truly neutral organization that would have more rigorous and exacting credentials, and one that would largely stay out of substantive legal disputes. (Granted, one could debate all day about even procedure, but that's another matter.) It wouldn't take much to place a second layer over the law schools, requesting information, transparency, giving approval (but to a slightly smaller group of the 201 and counting schools). It could make substantive critiques about the objectives in the multi-state bar examination, or weigh in on the seriousnessness of grading. And then, you get a few states, perhaps the most conservative ones, to lead a political charge of swapping out the ABA with this new organization as the arbiter of accreditation, bar exams, and so on.
I don't mean it's not a challenge to do; I just mean, it's not difficult to capture all this outrage, coming from so many different directions (apathy from attorneys who see the ABA as a waste, cronyism of the "network" in the ABA, law students deceived by lack of transparency, a glut of law schools, a lack of legal jobs, sagging wages, a perceived liberal bias), and ball it up into, if someone had the vision, a new organization. |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: know-it-all rehab Federalist Society rallies behind protectionism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812544) |
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Date: August 17th, 2010 7:11 PM Author: sick sweet tailpipe The ABA is basically biglaws love child. All the committees are staffed to the rafters with biglaw partners. "Regular" lawyers have shit say in what goes on there for the most part. Every delegate election you get campaign literature with the return address being some biglaw office. I dont remember ever seeing so much as a single midlaw partner even running for a seat. Its for the elite by the elite. And guess what -- the Federalist Society ass clowns at Harvard and the like practically all join the ABA at graduation because their firms pay for it (though the first year or two of membership is actually free). Im only a member because my firm pays for everyones membership. Firms like mine are the only reason they have any paying members at all IMHO. How many lawyers pay out of pocket for their bar association memberships? If your boss isnt covering it chances are you dont belong to any association at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1398111&forum_id=2#15812576) |