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Date: August 18th, 2010 4:36 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15820876) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: Pink electric cuckoldry chapel they highly value things like consulting and biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15820884) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:22 PM Author: walnut exhilarant nibblets lodge the amount of MBA threads recently is bizarre. TCR for more schooling for most attorneys would be Masters in Accounting. At least that way u are for sure employable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823092) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:23 PM Author: sable theater stage I don't think that guarentees anything. I know a guy with a t10 econ ugrad degree, t20 jd, t10 llm in tax who is still unemployed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823103) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse 100% chance he is painfully awkward and/or had shockingly low grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823120) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: sable theater stage Actually, no. His ugrad grades were shitty, but I think he graduated law school around the median and had a B+ average at his tax program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823135) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:30 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse shitty UG gpa basically negates any bump it could have given. Econ is a fickle bitch be it a t100 school or a t10.
As for law and tax, I have nothing. Maybe he shot too high or flop sweats in interviews. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: apoplectic lay it's not like his shitty tax llm program was going to land him a job ite. he should read the nyu tax thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823185) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse good point. His CV seems like a master class in how close one can come before the wax wings do their thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823221) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: sable theater stage Well, he's now interviewing for non-legal jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823232) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: walnut exhilarant nibblets lodge can he sit for the CPA? I dont think an LLM makes u CPA eligible. if he was a CPA then I can't believe he wouldnt be unemployed unless he was scoffing at anything sub 100k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823128) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:33 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat Masters in Accounting is a scam. I hear the Masters in Tax is much, much better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823202) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Explain please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823239) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:39 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat B4 doesn't really give a shit about the MACC. It's not teaching you anything new really if you took undergrad accounting classes. It's just a cash cow and a way to meet the new 150 hours requirement. The extra 30 or so credits do not have to be in accounting or business courses. That said, a Masters in Tax is a real graduate program, which teaches you a ton of shit for B4 practice, at least in Tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823290) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:24 PM Author: Bateful old irish cottage Top MAcc places sent 80% of their class straight to big4 pre-ITE, most in audit some in tax. Most also have tax tracks where you can take almost anything you would in a masters in taxation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823865) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:27 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat oh i'm not disputing the fact (or certainly didn't meant it to come off that way) that macc programs don't send ppl to B4; that's downright foolish. But if you want B4, the best credential without a doubt is getting your cpa. For those w/out an ugrad accounting background, a macc would certainly be helpful. that, and sitting and passing the cpa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823905) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:30 PM Author: Bateful old irish cottage Sorry, I missed that you were talking more along the lines of ppl who already have an accounting undergraduate degree, in which case I agree that a masters in tax is more useful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823947) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:31 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat no worries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823950) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: apoplectic lay t10 tax llm? wtf is that shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823133) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: sable theater stage t10 llm in tax program. US News has the rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823148) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:29 PM Author: apoplectic lay were any tax programs worth attending pre-ite besides nyu, uf, and gulc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823161) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Lol, that's what I was going to say. Are there even Ten tax LLm programs total? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823149) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:29 PM Author: sable theater stage LLM TAX PROGRAMS: . 1. NYU Tied for #2: . 2. Florida . 2. Georgetown . 4. Northwestern Tied for #5: . 5. Boston University . 5. Miami . 7. San Diego . 8. Loyola-L.A. . 9. Chapman Tied for #10: . 10. Denver . 10. SMU . 10. U. Washington |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:29 PM Author: apoplectic lay yeah, so SHIT, pure SHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823166) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: sable theater stage His is from a top 5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823213) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: apoplectic lay SHIT, pure SHIT. even the top school, nyu, has been murdered ite.
fucking lol: http://www.taxtalent.com/forum/message.cfm?m=29577&CAT=general&beginshow=1&TaxTrackID=TAXTALENT_1004137_81572312 |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:38 PM Author: sable theater stage That doesn't look too good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823286) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:40 PM Author: apoplectic lay just think about how much better nyu, uf, and gulc were regarded than the rest of the llm tax programs before ite. of course now theyre all shit for employment prospects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823298) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:18 AM Author: racy obsidian home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15826549) |
Date: August 18th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: Primrose appetizing tanning salon a stint at an NGO can help. they love their socially-responsible types (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15820890) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 4:39 PM Author: Excitant sooty bawdyhouse leadership position in armed forces is highly credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15820894) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 4:42 PM Author: Judgmental Locale Trump Supporter Assistant manager at local Enterprise Rent a Car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15820913) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:30 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse BIG LOCAL MBA->BIG REGIONAL MANAGER OFS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822636) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:21 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat what about big 4 experience or running a family business? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822577) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:28 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse big 4 is OK, but probably not going to get you HWS.
Family business could work if its legit. "Running" a regular 400K revenue small business isn't going to impress too many people. Starting your own might. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:33 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Most corporate experience is credited, albeit to varying degrees.
That being said, if you can tell an interesting story even better - hence NGO, TFA/PC, government, military, even family business experience is fine and sometimes even better than a run-of-the-mill corporate job. This is especially true of those who have taken a couple of years to start their own business or do something equally unique / challenging.
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:34 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat I'm running the family business, and starting another small business relating to credit cards on the side. thanks for the responses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822671) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Bonus points if you're new business is internet related (especially on the west coast). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822695) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:25 PM Author: sable theater stage None (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822606) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:31 PM Author: sable theater stage Just start your own business after developing some skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822647) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:31 PM Author: offensive overrated party of the first part masturbator ibanking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822649) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:34 PM Author: Grizzly stage you have no chance at any school worth going to if you don't work at mckinsey, bain, bcg or a bulge-bracket investment banking firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822670) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:35 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat even NYU or Columbia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822674) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:38 PM Author: Grizzly stage ESPECIALLY nyu and columbia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822703) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: Buck-toothed buff mental disorder pozpig lol a standard microsoft software engineer is going to nyu this fall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822785) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:14 PM Author: walnut exhilarant nibblets lodge LOL i know a guidance counselor going to Columbia this fall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823011) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Not true. But yes, folks from those firms are over-represented at top b-schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822688) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:38 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822702) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: sable theater stage Not true at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822691) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: marvelous disgusting associate It is 80% of the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822694) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:38 PM Author: sable theater stage 80%=/=100%
He said no chance. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:41 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse not really. Working at one of those companies does give you an 80% chance of pulling a top 10 B-school, but even a firm like deloitte can promise that (outside of the top 3, where their strat consultants enjoy a mere 25-35% acceptance rate). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822731) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: Bistre generalized bond theatre deloitte is TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822767) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse no doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822859) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: marvelous disgusting associate You're retarded. My post did not imply 80% likelihood of success. DIAF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823566) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse tbf, he isn't wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823681) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: apoplectic lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823675) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty It's only because folks from those firms generally have stellar pedigrees to start off with and would have been accepted into a top b-school irrespective of whether they worked at one of those particular firms or not.
They're also over-represented because there is an explicit expectation in both of those industries (management consulting and IB) that young kids will go back to b-school after 2-3 years of working. In fact, they're pretty much the only two occupations where an MBA is a 'must have'. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:57 PM Author: sable theater stage I thought S&T dudes didn't need an MBA. Isn't that considered IB? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822873) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 8:59 PM Author: henna know-it-all dog poop boistinker no, S&T is in a separate division from investment banking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822891) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:02 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty In this case I'm using IB to refer to the non S&T front-office staff.
While S&T folks work at investment banks they generally fall under the S&T moniker rather than the IB/IBD moniker. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:08 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat so it's not true what Carl Spackler said? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822974) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:10 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Strictly speaking, no - there are a lot of factors that come into play. That being said it's a very competitive process so best to keep your expectations realistic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822989) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:15 PM Author: Cerise alcoholic fat ankles organic girlfriend Spack is flaming, dawg. It's like that time he told bloodacre to do quarter squats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823019) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:00 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe What is the best b-school I can hope for if my only work exp is 1 year at a V30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822896) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:09 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Will depend on a bunch of factors including ugrad and LS grades, ugrad and ls institutions, extra-curriculars, and also your GMAT score.
I suspect it would be hard to get into a top school with only 1 year of non-business experience if the other components of your application aren't top-notch. Still, worth a try if you're willing to settle for a T25 school rather than a T10. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:10 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Is T25 worth attending? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822981) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:20 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty It can be.
An MBA serves 2 primary functions:
- For those with a non-business background (e.g. science, engineering, law, etc) it is a credible path into the business world and a respectable corporate job (or business start-up if that's your thing) - For those with previous business experience it is a (relatively) painless way of switching to another specialization (e.g. i-banking > marketing, finance > consulting, etc)
In either of these two cases there can be value in attending a T25 institution.
For those who are in business already and simply want to accelerate their progress in their particular area of expertise (whether it be i-banking, consulting, marketing, etc) then a top-tier (T10) school makes more sense and is really the only choice. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:22 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat Fratty can you see my post below re my chances for admission to B-school? tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823090) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Can an MBA help at all in getting a management role in gov't/ nonprofit, or would MPA be the obvious choice there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823141) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:32 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse I know a number of MBAs who are on the up and up in gov't positions. MPAs are probably better if your talking WWS or KSG, but there are 10-15 B schools that can place nearly as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823197) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Ok, so if I can get into the top 2 MPA then do it, otherwise I'd be better off with a T25 MBA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823227) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse You've extended it beyond my expertise. top 5 MBA> top 2 MPA>t15 MBA>other MPAs. Beyond that I can't help much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823555) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:15 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat I have a 700+ GMAT, i've worked in the legal profession (not a lawyer) for a few years, and now manage the family business and starting another business on the side. I've returned to college (long story) and have a 3.8 gpa in accounting from a ttt, and am thinking of trying to get a job with the B4, maybe get a masters in tax, too. what kind of mba programs would I be competitive at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823020) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:24 PM Author: walnut exhilarant nibblets lodge u would be competitive at a top 25 for sure. but I am guessing u have not actually taken the GMAT and are just guessing u would get a 700+.
the main question is what u would want out of an MBA program. if u are eyeing the starting salaries then do not do it. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: cyan exciting multi-billionaire whorehouse the second half of this is desperately credited advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823124) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:37 PM Author: alcoholic lemon foreskin
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:05 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse It's not so much about UG pedigree as the job you are able to get. TTTs (real ones, not state schools in top 100) place very poorly in desirable jobs. If a Old Dominion grad pulled MBB he'd have no problem getting into a top MBA, but its probably not happening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823661) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:36 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat No, I have actually taken the GMAT. I'm not eyeing any starting salaries. I'm thinking I'd like to try some M & A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823253) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:36 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty It depends what your long-term career objectives are and why you're going to b-school.
If you want to be an auditor at Big4 you might be able to swing that in smaller office without an MBA with your current gpa and the fact that you're an accounting major. If you can manage to do this then I would pursue this option for a couple of years, get your CPA, make a little money, and then re-evaluate.
If you have loftier ambitions then by all means apply to b-school straight away but make sure you have a compelling and considered reason for being there. You don't seem like a conventional candidate but at the same time you've got a decent GMAT so that works in your favor - if you can write some good essays and get some strong recommendations you might have a chance at cracking T10.
You may also want to consider schools in the T25-T40 or so which have programs that are specifically aligned to your career objectives (whatever they may be) or which are well known in your geographic region.
My advice: decide why you want an MBA, do some more research, then apply to a mix of T1 and T2 schools focusing on those that are strong in the area(s) of business that you want to work in.
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:37 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Fratty, can you answer my above Q regarding an MBA for getting into gov't? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823272) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:45 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Like anything it probably also depends on the relative strength (read: name recognition) of the schools / programs you get accepted to.
I'd probably go the MBA route to keep my options open but if you're set on being in government then a MPx make sense. You could also go the dual MBA / MPx path but that would obviously be harder, more time consuming, and more expensive. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:49 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Cool.
If I go to an MBA program looking for coursework/ internships in gov't/ nonprofit management, will they look at me funny, or are there programs that offer stuff like that |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty There are always subjects for stuff like that, not sure about dedicated programs / majors; it's worth noting that there are always government / not-for-profit / NGO types at b-schools (even though they are in the minority).
Also, would presume that an internship at NGO / UN / non-profit etc would be looked upon favorably (by the institution and prospective government employers).
I'd recommend googling re: best programs for non-corporate types. BusinessWeek.com is a pretty good resource for stuff like that.
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:45 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat ty. just out of curiosity, what makes you think i'm an nonconventional candidate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823362) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:49 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty Not unconventional in the sense of being out of left-field ... more so the family business thing, the paralegal(?) thing, and the going 'back to school' thing.
Basically, I just meant you're not in the (most common) ugrad + 2-4 years corporate experience category. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:53 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat ah, well you're def. right in that sense. I'm thinking I shouldn't go into great detail abotu the paralegal, family business and going back to school for fear of putting too much info here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823484) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:01 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty All good.
Just a tip: if there are relevant 'extenuating circumstances' wrt your WE / education to date I'd try and work that into an essay or similar. Otherwise, don't worry about it. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:19 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat screw it, I'll just post it.
I went to college, and didn't graduate the first time around. I had to take a leave of absence for medical reasons in my last year. I came back to my ugrad and they told me I needed to petition some committee to basically honor my leave and let me make up the courses I didn't finish (my professors gave me incompletes). Without any explanation, this committee rejected my petition, so I was forced to go and complete these courses. Practically speaking, this denial meant that I now had to return to college, and that my incompletes, which turned into F's, would now stay as F's. So my gpa dropped from a 3.2 to 2.7. At my first college, I was a political science and philosophy major. I decided that I would take something more practical this time around, especially since I knew about ITE, and because I'm married.
I've been out of college for a while (7 years). The first 4 years were spent working as a paralegal, and thinking I might go to law school. I left my paralegal job to take care of the family business and have working in this position ever since. I've also started another small business. I have a year left to finish my accounting classes, get my bachelors and sit for the cpa exam. I have a 3.8 and am debating whether an MBA makes sense for me or maybe a Masters in Tax.
This is where I'm at now. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:22 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse masters in tax and leverage the family business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823851) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:27 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat curious as to your reasoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823914) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:47 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse Your background is objectively weird. This will turn off a lot of decent MBA programs. More importantly, it will seriously turn off post-MBA employers.
On the other hand, accounting offers you two possibilities. Option 1: you do the classes and take a B4/local firm job. This is a good career and they legitimately care about your degree (as opposed to MBA employers, who tend to care about HOW you got to B-school, rather than what you learned.) Option 2: you ran a business for a while. If you did it right, you made shit tons of connections. Leverage these into basic accounting jobs. I know a good number of guys who keep 20-50 business on retainer at 200-500 a month just to read over the Cash flow statement and update the PnL once a month. Add in some personal taxes come april (at 1K a pop for Sole Ps and 1.5-3K for LLCs and C corp folks) and you've got a vacation home in florida in no time. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:15 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat "Your background is objectively weird. This will turn off a lot of decent MBA programs. More importantly, it will seriously turn off post-MBA employers."
shit, i didn't think i was that fucked. thanks for the candid advice though. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse Just my thoughts. If you have the cash you might as well apply if only to see what options you really have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824422) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat eh i can see why you think my background is weird. i think it is too. But i guess in some ways I'm lucky. The accounting route is definitely appealing in that I do have many connections that I can leverage for work. I guess not having six figures in nondischargeable debt is good, to.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824551) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:52 PM Author: Slimy irradiated useless brakes kitty You basically need to figure out if you want to do the family business thing long-term or not.
If so, don't bother with the MBA. If not, would also suggest going down the accounting route first. There are solid career prospects at the large firms and you can leverage your experience there into other things long-term. If you're going to do an MBA do it before you're 30 though - this is especially true if you're married and/or have kids. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:03 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat thanks for the advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824264) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:48 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat Fratty, i'm curious to hear what you think of my post re all that info I just posted below. tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824109) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:11 PM Author: Passionate Library McDonald's manager is TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15822997) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe My best friend in HS did this. Greatest free food year of my life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823005) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:21 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe Eidlaw,
So your opinion on MACCs only applies to people with Accounting degrees already right? Would you say it's useful for people without UG Acct degrees who want to go into accounting? |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:24 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat I shouldn't have used the word scam in my initial post re MACCs. It' just that it's completely useless for someone who majored in accounting and has a cpa. Most if not allof these people get MACCs bc they need the 150 hours, and bc they think having a grad degree looks good. they're partly right but the b4 firms don't care for it that much, if at all. You're certainly not getting a pay bump for having a macc, generally speaking. But to answer your question, yes, if you don't have any undergad accounting degree, it is certainly helpful. And most likely, it'll help you land you a B4 job.
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:27 PM Author: charcoal unholy principal's office giraffe How much does school prestige matter for the Macc degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15823907) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:46 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat to be honest, i'm not sure. What programs are you looking into? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824101) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:58 PM Author: walnut exhilarant nibblets lodge this guy has no idea what he is talking about. At all the big accounting schools like Texas, Illinois, etc. most of the kids do the MSA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824210) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:05 PM Author: Concupiscible godawful knife kitty cat of course they do it, they need the extra hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824287) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:49 PM Author: odious vermilion background story i was looking into this. i think pretty much a year of post-college work will be ok. I have a year of work factoring in different jobs like americorps so i think i'll be ok. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824119) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:54 PM Author: Grizzly stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824179) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 10:55 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse haven't kept up with you, but 1 year of a combination of jobs =/= 1 year of a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824181) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:05 PM Author: odious vermilion background story the school websites I looked at said they would accept combinations of jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824278) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:17 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse they don't mean a handful of non-connected 7-10 month stints. They mean 2 years at a good job + 2 years at a great job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824406) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: odious vermilion background story they said you could combine jobs to get 1-2 years of exp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824421) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:19 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse Are we talking about top programs?
Also, if we are talking about top programs, they are probably making a concession to politics folks. In any other profession <1 year means something went wrong. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:22 PM Author: odious vermilion background story yeah i guess i don't know for sure. should I go to nursing school then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824480) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse If you are currently considering both nursing school and an MBA you should get a regular job and keep it for 2 full years then decide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824552) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:30 PM Author: odious vermilion background story lol i cant get a regular job, that's why i'm going back to school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824566) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:33 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse what are you doing now? Is there no way to extend this into a multi-year situation?
these two options imply you are grasping at straws and you need to experience real life. |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:33 PM Author: odious vermilion background story just living with parents and dating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824593) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:35 PM Author: Maize twisted meetinghouse try harder at IRL gurl. It will reward you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824611) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:33 PM Author: Bistre generalized bond theatre um, law school? or did you decline the offer already? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824588) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:39 PM Author: odious vermilion background story yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824648) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:44 PM Author: Bistre generalized bond theatre ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824709) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:07 PM Author: Bistre generalized bond theatre you are applying to business school now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824301) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: odious vermilion background story lol yea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824423) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 11:25 PM Author: Bistre generalized bond theatre wow, i thought those posts were flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15824521) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:05 AM Author: Gold clown sound barrier 180 shtick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15826534) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:54 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Garrison Yarmulke this person is not me, btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15826866) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:01 AM Author: Gold clown sound barrier WHAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15826890) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:01 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Garrison Yarmulke some imposter pretending to be blue smoke; not cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1399115&forum_id=2#15826892) |