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Will getting an MBA help me GTFO of law?
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: scarlet useless field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831710) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:40 PM Author: excitant mewling box office persian What do you want to do? What is your background? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831750) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:41 PM Author: scarlet useless field No idea wtf to do with life. Want a job that pays 50k, 9-5, little to no travel.
People recommended Fed Gov't, so was thinking I could get an MBA with emphasis in nonprofit management and go from there |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:44 PM Author: confused ocher step-uncle's house legal warrant if 9-5 is what u want, do masters in accounting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831782) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: scarlet useless field Dude, I heard BIG4 hours are brutal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831792) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: confused ocher step-uncle's house legal warrant every business in the world employs accountants. u do not have to do big 4. u can go work for your local bank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831880) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: scarlet useless field Hmm.. Why a MACC over getting an MBA with an accounting emphasis then. Wouldn't that give me more options (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831890) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: confused ocher step-uncle's house legal warrant MBA overqualifies u for those positions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831928) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:56 PM Author: scarlet useless field wat if its' a TTT MBA, which is what I'd be looking at (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831935) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:05 PM Author: confused ocher step-uncle's house legal warrant TTT MSA > TTT MBA. accountants get jobs. plain and simple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832041) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: scarlet useless field How much does prestige matter for an MSA? Is it a must that I attend a top program like Texas or USC, or can I just go to the local state U since it's cheaper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832244) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: adventurous tattoo From what I've read, Big4 and the next tier recruit hard from top programs, but accounting hiring is also very regional, so smaller local programs might do fine in their home region. I don't know if recruiting is as formal out of lesser programs. You should maybe try contacting Big4 in your area to see if they recruit from the programs your interested in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832271) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: scarlet useless field Oh, and background: T25 UG BA in useless shit, T20 JD with shitty grades, V30 stealth laid off after a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831770) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:54 PM Author: cream razzmatazz headpube abode I know who is in the same boat - slightly crappier school but better grades.
Good luck to you both. |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: scarlet useless field ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15831930) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:45 PM Author: excitant mewling box office persian Seems like kind of a shitty background for an MBA. Not enough WE, not relevant enough to any area that will help you post-grad. To boot, it is really expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832460) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: scarlet useless field Got any other suggestions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832475) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:53 PM Author: excitant mewling box office persian Are you good at math, science? Parents willing to help you pay for school? What would you like to do? What are your expectations for income?
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:55 PM Author: scarlet useless field I'm decent at math I guess, but haven't taken a math class in 8 years or so.
Parents NOT willing.
I have no idea wtf I want out of life.
I just want a job that will fit 4 criteria: 50k or higher, 9-5, little to no travel, and some decent job security |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: excitant mewling box office persian Some ideas that I haven't considered in a long time:
Degrees: - mathematical finance (if you've taken real math classes) - grad degree in education (though teachers have been getting screwed) - something in accounting - pharmacy - physicians assistant or something like that
Keep in mind, nothing is truly "secure" ITE. Welcome to the new global economy. |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:59 PM Author: scarlet useless field Mathematical Finance is prob out of the question, but all others are valid considerations I guess.
You actually think getting a Masters in Ed will beat getting an MBA?
Also, what do you think about an MPA/MPP if I want to do gov't work |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:04 PM Author: excitant mewling box office persian I just don't think an MBA will get you anything given the job market for these guys ITE. They're doing better than lawyers, but not THAT much better and you don't have the right background to be at the top of the heap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832679) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:10 PM Author: scarlet useless field Fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832765) |
Date: August 19th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: cracking rusted internal respiration theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832356) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit Forget about the MBA, it will not help you come time to find a job. Your best bet is to just network your ass off and hope someone makes you an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832472) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:52 PM Author: scarlet useless field Well I'd be looking to start in late 2011.
I've been looking/ networking for almost a year with nothing to show for it. If this goes on another year, I might as well go back to school and at least do something with my time |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:52 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit Describe your networking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832540) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: scarlet useless field Exhausted everyone I actually know or friends of friends already.
Have turned to calling up alums, asking to meet, having lunch, talking about job market, etc. |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit How many alums? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832568) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:56 PM Author: scarlet useless field Hmm, so far I think I've contacted about 100, usually a 50% success rate in terms of people who are willing to meet to talk, so I have met with about 50.
About 2-3 per week |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:57 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit And nothing????? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832596) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: scarlet useless field Yea, nothing.
Since I WANT to change careers, it's been tougher. I've been networking with folks that aren't lawyers, and they are telling me it's really tough for a career change ITE since there are so many qualified applicants that have tons of job experience in the fields they are looking for.
I've also met with some lawyers, but they aren't hiring |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:00 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit You've been unemployed for a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832637) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:01 PM Author: scarlet useless field Close. 8 months (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832646) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:17 PM Author: Lavender Station dude, I'm well over a year now. MVP, top 1/3, v20. No idea WTF to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833566) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: scarlet useless field what kind of jobs are you looking for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833585) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:21 PM Author: Lavender Station looking high and low at legal stuff. no interest from private firms whatsoever. not a single interview. but recently i've been getting 1-2 biggov/public interest interviews per month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833630) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:27 PM Author: scarlet useless field Well that's good, good luck man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833716) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:30 PM Author: Lavender Station thanks man. you too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833760) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:52 PM Author: cracking rusted internal respiration theatre his needs are low (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832535) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:53 PM Author: scarlet useless field Yea, this is the key too. I'm not gunning for some high paying job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832548) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: cracking rusted internal respiration theatre cop teacher male nurse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832567) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 9:57 PM Author: scarlet useless field Already ruled out nurse.
No interest in being a cop.
Teacher sounds great, but I'd only be qualified to teach History/ Gov't, not much demand for that |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:51 PM Author: Jet Regret Location Go to asia and teach English (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833970) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:08 PM Author: rose temple 9-5 jobs in law are completely nonexistent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832723) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:09 PM Author: scarlet useless field The closest is being a career doc reviewer. I have considered that as well but would rather leave the legal field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832744) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:10 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit What do you do for money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832753) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:11 PM Author: scarlet useless field Unemployment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832770) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: rose temple man, i thought the JD was supposed to open doors? i wonder what kind of work you could get -- that meets your 9-5/50K requirements -- with an MBA that you can't get now.
granted, i don't really uderstand exactly what people get out of an MBA (unless they are at Harvard or whatever).
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:50 PM Author: scarlet useless field I've found the JD to be a huge liability in finding non-law jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833275) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:53 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit How's it a huge liability? I'd imagine the only negative is that you lack work experience in those non-law areas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833315) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:55 PM Author: scarlet useless field They deem you a flight risk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833340) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:56 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit Then that means you'll just have to network and convince them that you have no desire for law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833355) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:57 PM Author: scarlet useless field Lol, sure, I'll get right on that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833369) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:00 PM Author: Multi-colored bossy round eye orchestra pit The fact that you already worked at a biglaw firm is the problem. Perhaps find someone who can say you worked for them (non-legal) out of law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833403) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:01 PM Author: scarlet useless field I already have non-legal references from other jobs.
I think this whole transition to non-legal would be easier if it weren't for ITE |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: Jet Regret Location LOL. Quit being a jackass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15833988) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: cream razzmatazz headpube abode non-biglaw doesn't really pay at a rate to compensate an atty for the added stress of the profession versus other jobs.
worrying about fucking up a deadline or getting a discipline beef by some POS moron client isn't worth 50k a year. |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:19 PM Author: rose temple makes sense. i just don't understand where all the lawyers end up working, since so few get BIGLAW. (yeah, i know "ITE" and all, but before ITE, where did they work if you are saying 50K isn't worth their while.) going to LS seems like insanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1400245&forum_id=2#15832896) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:25 PM Author: cream razzmatazz headpube abode back before ITE and the consolidation of sophisticated law into mega firms, smaller firms (like 50-and-fewer firms) were capable of servicing larger clients.
and there were FAR fewer attorneys in the pool. so even if you did start out at a relatively shit wage, advancement was, even at small firms, a relatively stable thing.
it has been a commoditized profession in the past 10 years or so, and ITE has finally exposed it. |
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Date: August 21st, 2010 12:28 AM Author: Talented center psychic Subject: studying accounting is TCR you probably can get CPA qualified (I mean qualified to take the exam) with about one more year of classes. Because you've got the undergrad -- hopefuilly you took a few business classes back then -- and some of your LS classes should count as well. Now you just have to take some advanced accounting and auditing. Use that year to job search and live off student loans. Go to an affordable program, lots of state schools have great accting programs. Law and accounting are really similar in a lot of ways and the skills are complimentary. Accounting is an actually useful skill and there are all kinds of QOL/pay options, from some 9-5 bookkeeping thing to B4 jobs that are almost like Biglaw jobs. |