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Is there affirmative action in medical schools?

Met a black dude the other day from a top med school. Just g...
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
LOL TYFT
white sinister office
  09/03/10
Not kidding. I assume there is AA, but is it as big as it is...
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
Who cares if there is or isn't? At the end of the day, every...
Razzle rambunctious halford
  09/03/10
but the AA guy took mr. pumo flame's spot at HMS
Swollen rehab foreskin
  09/03/10
lol no. i'm not even against AA necessarily. i just know not...
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
your flame is unraveling
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
You claimed she scored a 42. so at the absolute worse she wo...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
LOL WTF?
Charismatic henna gas station
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
what the fuck are you talking about-- a 12/15 on the Verbal ...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
Dood in every single med school thread you mention your reta...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
LMAO
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
people really have discussions like this irl?
yellow vibrant business firm alpha
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
like, they discuss what they'd be doing if they were black?
yellow vibrant business firm alpha
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
Of course. Monday is "what would I be doing if I w...
Startling angry ratface piazza
  09/03/10
an old friend of mine from HS went to harvard medical schoo...
Aquamarine aromatic gay wizard
  09/03/10
doctors are generally "no great shakes intellectually&q...
Charismatic henna gas station
  09/03/10
no it just happened to suddenly becum 55% female
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
good point
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
Ever heard of Bakke?
low-t brethren school
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
Regents of the University of California v. Bukakke?
Anal onyx coffee pot box office
  09/03/10
It's at least as significant as law school AA
Anal onyx coffee pot box office
  09/03/10
It's worse. Much worse. AA admits to top calibre research ...
twisted mad-dog skullcap knife
  09/03/10
i've heard this. but what do you think about the argument th...
Bat-shit-crazy Travel Guidebook Brunch
  09/03/10
The USMLE is a minimum competency exam. It's like the bar. ...
twisted mad-dog skullcap knife
  09/03/10
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transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
True But medical students are on average smarter than law...
twisted mad-dog skullcap knife
  09/03/10
Doesn't the score determine your residence match? It seem...
offensive round eye macaca
  09/03/10
no it helps but interviews are what will determine where you...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
...
transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house
  09/03/10
Residency programs practice affirmative action just like BIG...
flushed passionate headpube
  09/03/10
if it justified it then all doctors would be created equally...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
And just how many "blacks" are there at integrated...
Charismatic henna gas station
  09/03/10
It just goes to show how big the gap is in undergraduate and...
twisted mad-dog skullcap knife
  09/03/10
Stop being so insecure and sensitive.
Anal onyx coffee pot box office
  09/03/10
To "lose" your spot via AA to a minority wouldn't ...
Electric chocolate tanning salon
  09/03/10
no because as long as you get into med school you are pretty...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
I don't know. I think anyone who can't qualify for medical s...
Electric chocolate tanning salon
  09/03/10
there is no such thing as a school on the lower end. for all...
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
Don't the people who can't qualify for US schools end up doi...
Electric chocolate tanning salon
  09/03/10
yes
Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt
  09/03/10
"for all intensive purposes" is this now a xo mem...
Swollen rehab foreskin
  09/03/10
That or he's a retard.
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
i don't think anyone actually says "oh my fucking god, ...
Spectacular Sticky Kitchen Keepsake Machete
  09/03/10
CR, but if you were going to ask how you would have done wit...
Curious nursing home codepig
  09/03/10
Even if there is it doesn't matter. Everyone wants a Jewish ...
Thriller house
  09/03/10
I have teh Jewish gyno. He is good.
Electric chocolate tanning salon
  09/03/10
yep.
Thriller house
  09/03/10
Let me guess, you are Jewish?
fragrant bat shit crazy corner
  09/03/10
NOT FOR DR. OF VOOOOOOOOOOOOODOOOOOOOO Hey, I've never ...
Exciting Range
  09/03/10
not so much race based aa. i mean there are not many "u...
odious green location
  09/03/10
Isn't this the sort of thing that just like, varies from sch...
motley goyim theater
  09/03/10
*is introduced to surgeon* *notices he is black* *cove...
Cowardly address
  09/03/10
*doesn't want black surgeon to laugh at his TINY FUCKING DIC...
Charismatic henna gas station
  09/03/10


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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:31 AM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

Met a black dude the other day from a top med school. Just got me wondering about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953292)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:32 AM
Author: white sinister office

LOL TYFT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953296)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:40 AM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

Not kidding. I assume there is AA, but is it as big as it is in law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953440)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:41 AM
Author: Razzle rambunctious halford

Who cares if there is or isn't? At the end of the day, everyone in med school has to pass the boards to become certified.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953458)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:43 AM
Author: Swollen rehab foreskin

but the AA guy took mr. pumo flame's spot at HMS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953480)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:58 AM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

lol no. i'm not even against AA necessarily. i just know nothing about med school admissions. i do however know about law school admissions and i know that it is a significant boost there. so i was wondering if med school was like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953662)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:03 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953723)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:18 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

your flame is unraveling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953875)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:22 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953925)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:24 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

You claimed she scored a 42. so at the absolute worse she would have scored a 12 VR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953938)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:25 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953963)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:30 AM
Author: Charismatic henna gas station

LOL WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954005)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:35 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954052)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:40 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

what the fuck are you talking about-- a 12/15 on the Verbal is around the 99th percentile.

Your flame fucking sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954109)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:46 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954158)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:47 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

Dood in every single med school thread you mention your retarded wife and her 40+ MCAT. It doesn't take a genius to spot your flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954172)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:52 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954210)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:53 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954228)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:55 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954242)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:39 AM
Author: yellow vibrant business firm alpha

people really have discussions like this irl?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954097)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954110)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:47 AM
Author: yellow vibrant business firm alpha

like, they discuss what they'd be doing if they were black?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954164)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:53 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954225)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:24 AM
Author: Startling angry ratface piazza

Of course.

Monday is "what would I be doing if I were black" day

Tueseday is "what would I be doing if I were Latino/a" day

Wednesday is "what would I be doing if I were homo" day

Thursday is "what would I be doing if I were Jewish" day

Friday is "what would I be doing if I were Muslim" day.

The weekends, of course, are "just enjoy being majority" days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955601)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:38 PM
Author: Aquamarine aromatic gay wizard

an old friend of mine from HS went to harvard medical school. she is black.. i can tell you she is no great shakes intellectually. not even close to being a genius or really very bright. extremely driven and extremely hardworking, yes, but not even one of the 10 or so smartest people at my HS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956322)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:43 PM
Author: Charismatic henna gas station

doctors are generally "no great shakes intellectually" you racist FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956370)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:42 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

no it just happened to suddenly becum 55% female

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953465)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:59 AM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953675)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 12:45 AM
Author: low-t brethren school

Ever heard of Bakke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953503)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:04 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953734)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:06 AM
Author: Anal onyx coffee pot box office

Regents of the University of California v. Bukakke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953756)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:01 AM
Author: Anal onyx coffee pot box office

It's at least as significant as law school AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953701)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:08 AM
Author: twisted mad-dog skullcap knife

It's worse. Much worse. AA admits to top calibre research programs wouldn't be locks for most bottom tier schools if they were white.

Law school applicants (including black applicants) take a bunch of touchy-feely easy liberal arts classes in college, so there are quite a few AA candidates with high GPAs.

Med school applicants take large, somewhat difficult, curved, and blindly graded courses (and courses in which professors fail people -- no gentleman's B+). Whatever you want to blame the gap on, you can probably guess how that works out.

So they have to dig deeper and use far more blunt AA policies to get the desired quotas of each race.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953776)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:12 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Travel Guidebook Brunch

i've heard this. but what do you think about the argument that, even though there is aa, every doctor has to pass the usmle's (or whatever they're called--not pre-med here, just interested in this subject) and therefore the ends justify the means?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953811)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:13 AM
Author: twisted mad-dog skullcap knife

The USMLE is a minimum competency exam. It's like the bar.

It doesn't weed out anyone but tards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953823)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953845)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:17 AM
Author: twisted mad-dog skullcap knife

True

But medical students are on average smarter than law students. It's still a minimum comp exam with a high pass rate. First time MD takers pass at all steps at a 97% rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953869)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:32 AM
Author: offensive round eye macaca

Doesn't the score determine your residence match?

It seems much more like the LSAT than the bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954027)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

no it helps but interviews are what will determine where you end up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954118)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:02 AM
Author: transparent concupiscible step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954286)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:20 AM
Author: flushed passionate headpube

Residency programs practice affirmative action just like BIGLAW firms do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955583)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

if it justified it then all doctors would be created equally which is not the case and which is why healthcare is so fucking scary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953843)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:14 AM
Author: Charismatic henna gas station

And just how many "blacks" are there at integrated med schools buddy? Answer: <2% but keep bitching about how a black guy stole you're spot at HMS. LOL RACIST FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953830)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:15 AM
Author: twisted mad-dog skullcap knife

It just goes to show how big the gap is in undergraduate and mcat performance. They do get huge AA bumps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953844)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:16 AM
Author: Anal onyx coffee pot box office

Stop being so insecure and sensitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15953856)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:57 AM
Author: Electric chocolate tanning salon

To "lose" your spot via AA to a minority wouldn't you have had to be bottom 2% or so anyway?

Wouldn't you be better off doing something you aren't in the bottom 2% qualified to do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954256)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:59 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

no because as long as you get into med school you are pretty much set for life. med schools do everything in their power to pass students and have them graduate and make big $$$$$$. thats the whole point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954264)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:00 AM
Author: Electric chocolate tanning salon

I don't know. I think anyone who can't qualify for medical school because of AA must have been a very marginal candidate anyway. Wouldn't the result be that you end up being admitted to a school a bit lower on the totem pole?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954274)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:02 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

there is no such thing as a school on the lower end. for all intensive purposes they are all the same.

i know people who got in with low mcats and did extremely well on the usmle/boards. thats the whole point. the mcat is the hardest part for most and the main barrier. actual med school is just memorization.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954288)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:03 AM
Author: Electric chocolate tanning salon

Don't the people who can't qualify for US schools end up doing medicine on some tropical island?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954296)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:04 AM
Author: Marvelous cruise ship people who are hurt

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954311)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:18 AM
Author: Swollen rehab foreskin

"for all intensive purposes" is this now a xo meme?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955320)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:12 PM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

That or he's a retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956177)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:31 AM
Author: Spectacular Sticky Kitchen Keepsake Machete

i don't think anyone actually says "oh my fucking god, if it wasn't for that diabolical darrontavius jefferson i'd have been a LOCK at harvard!" especially since anyone who near-misses from harvard will still have plenty of great options

otoh it's kind of creepy to think that low 20's mcat is typical of black admits - that isn't likely to make anyone want a black doctor, all other things being equal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955373)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 1:14 PM
Author: Curious nursing home codepig

CR, but if you were going to ask how you would have done without AA it's not just the 2% at the school you just missed that matters, it's also the 2% at every school higher than that which could add up.

But on the other hand maybe those schools wouldn't even be taking as many students without AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15956187)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:03 AM
Author: Thriller house

Even if there is it doesn't matter. Everyone wants a Jewish doctor and those are the guys who get paid by wealthy people. This isn't flame, racist, or based upon any other motivation, it's the honest-to-God absolute truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954299)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:05 AM
Author: Electric chocolate tanning salon

I have teh Jewish gyno. He is good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954314)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:06 AM
Author: Thriller house

yep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954329)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:36 AM
Author: fragrant bat shit crazy corner

Let me guess, you are Jewish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955413)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 2:04 AM
Author: Exciting Range

NOT FOR DR. OF VOOOOOOOOOOOOODOOOOOOOO

Hey, I've never seen a nigger vet - have you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15954305)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:10 AM
Author: odious green location

not so much race based aa. i mean there are not many "urm" at most schools. but many schools have faggots on the admissions committee. they can set requirements like "community service", working with "diverse" populations,etc. it's all to justify giving a spot to someone with 10mcat points lower than me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955292)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:32 AM
Author: motley goyim theater

Isn't this the sort of thing that just like, varies from school to school? like, something schools decide on their own?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955383)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:33 AM
Author: Cowardly address

*is introduced to surgeon*

*notices he is black*

*covertly asks for different surgeon*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955388)



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Date: September 3rd, 2010 11:40 AM
Author: Charismatic henna gas station

*doesn't want black surgeon to laugh at his TINY FUCKING DICK*

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1413163&forum_id=2#15955679)