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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:02 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set What are you doing to find a jerb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15973526) |
Date: September 5th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop trying to use any possible connection, sending resumes and cover letters, and crying myself to sleep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15973597) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Hey! Me too man. Well, I'm trying my best to man up and move on.
Were you one of many no-offers, or were you one of the only ones? I want to hear about it, because misery loves company. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:22 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop i wasn't the only one. not a big firm. my reviews were all really good - they used the ITE excuse. i almost wish i was told all along away that i sucked so i would have been more prepared (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974206) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:31 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Sounds like you and me had the exact same experience. What region/school?
I think this was pretty common among smaller to midsize regional firms. They just don't give a shit, because there's such an excess supply of JD's out there. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:37 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop T20 school. flyover state. yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974734) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set T30, same.
Think I'm going to try to find a decent state clerkship, prosecutor's office, or city law department where I can land on my feet and regroup for a year or two. I realize that my career path is permanently altered, but that might not be such a bad thing. At least I won't have much debt. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:42 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop that's sounds smart dood. my approach is pretty random and unrealistic. i really liked working in a firm and want to continue to do so but i know the chances are slim. i got a few interviews, but i'm not optimistic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974769) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:44 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set That's a few more interviews than I have. You looking at small firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974784) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:45 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop what is considered small? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974797) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:45 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Like 50 attorneys or fewer, no summer program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974805) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop yes. but the ones i got interviews with are bigger. and then there is the stigma of of not going to the TTT flagship law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974841) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Interesting. Well, best of luck to you man. Did your firm offer to write LORs and shit? I'm guessing they did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974901) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:57 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop ty man. you too. yeah they did which is why i think i got the few interviews that i did. i think you said yours did as well? are any of them contacting other partners they know? it could get you an interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974909) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:05 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Yeah, mine are writing LORs and supposedly doing whatever else they can to help me out. I hadn't thought about asking them to contact other partners they know, but I might try. I've also considered asking the litigation partners I know to put in a good word for me with judges in the area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974957) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: Silver ticket booth You seem to be taking this well, and honestly, you're rather fortunate that you have the opportunity to look elsewhere while you're still in school and you have these options open to you rather than being lathamed after a year or less at a firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974858) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:54 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Thanks, man. I'm trying to be a man about it and not a little crybaby bitch. Agree that it's better that this happened now than a year into employment, but if my firm would have just told me this two weeks earlier, it would have really been nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974892) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:41 PM Author: Vermilion stock car trump supporter This is EXACTLY what you should be doing in a flyover state. Prestige is not what gets you jobs in flyover states; connections and experience do. Even more so than larger markets that have associate puppy mills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978670) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: Mildly autistic church building you guys are all my dawgs. good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974759) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:43 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set TY man. You clawed your way back, and that is to be commended. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974777) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 11:58 PM Author: Soggy rehab sound barrier tbf, don't try to model yourself on estrada; he went to harvard, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974921) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:06 AM Author: copper box office alpha oh HAI losers.
I got a full time offer at my v4.
HTFH. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:07 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set I'm sorry to say, but this doesn't help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974966) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:09 AM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop good for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15974977) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:51 AM Author: maize vibrant reading party LOL skadden (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975301) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 5:00 AM Author: heady obsidian pit "v4" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976752) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:16 AM Author: Amber flickering associate Was anyone who was no-offered NOT told that a LOR would be written on his or her behalf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975017) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:20 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set If you were no-offered for performance reasons you'd have to be pretty fucking bad, and I'm guessing the firm wouldn't offer to vouch for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975047) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:23 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes this happened at my shithole biglaw firm summer 2010. luckily i got a few great references while i was there.
shit happens. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:39 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Care to out firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978285) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes you gotta understand this was the case almost everywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978474) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:58 AM Author: haunting theater police squad How can I avoid being no offered? This is my one big concern now that I have a few offers... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975356) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:00 AM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop don't do midlaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975376) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:00 AM Author: haunting theater police squad What about BIGLAW? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975383) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:04 AM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop they will probably screw you over too at some point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15975418) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:01 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set I think you've come to the wrong place for this kind of advice.
Really though, you can't. I mean, you have to do good work and be pleasant all that shit, but many of us no-offers did/said all the right things and still got fucked. Your best bet is to take an offer from a major-market Vault firm, and stay away from midlaw if possible. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:08 AM Author: haunting theater police squad k, ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976006) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:34 AM Author: Amber flickering associate Cr. I know three different mid-law firms that take a few people every year with no real intention of hiring anyone unless a superstar summer associate emerges (which is very difficult to do in 10-12 weeks) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976123) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set Yeah man. What really sucks is that during the boom years, my firm gave offers to their entire summer classes (usually 3-4 people). That meant giving offers to some summers who weren't exactly the best and brightest--many were just mediocre students from the local TTT. Then last year, ITE allowed my firm to snag a few summers with academic qualifications beyond what they were used to hiring, and they couldn't give any of us offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976944) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:30 AM Author: 180 crimson place of business market T6, mostly trying to hit up the SSCs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976109) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:59 AM Author: haunting theater police squad Did you work BIGLAW? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976267) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:00 AM Author: 180 crimson place of business market Mid-law, too, sadly. But they were my sole offer, so I had no choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976269) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:02 AM Author: haunting theater police squad nyc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976275) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:03 AM Author: 180 crimson place of business market No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976284) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: Offensive parlor 2010 grad here. I was also no-offered by my midlaw 2L summer firm (not performance based--no one got an offer).
They dragged it out for a couple months with shit like "oh, we won't be able to make a decision until next year." But I knew what was up when they couldn't give me a firm answer in August.
I wanted to clerk anyway so I had been working on clerkship apps for a couple months already. I seemingly struck out with "on plan" judges (didn't get any calls on the day the plan kicked in). I hustled my ass off for the next year by working connections, getting profs to make calls, and interning for a judge. I focused on judges who were hiring late on OSCAR. Fast forward to like May 2010, I managed to line up two federal clerkships (at good courts).
So there is hope for you guys. You just gotta hustle. Good luck. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:53 AM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Set TY man. Wow, I never realized midlaw was such a no-offer graveyard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976930) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:01 AM Author: Offensive parlor I didn't either. In fact I thought it was safer than biglaw (smaller class sizes, no layoffs). I was wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15976946) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:19 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes No-offer 2010.
Almost nothing popped up 3L. Interviewing with several biglaw firms now, working great non-legal job in the meantime. I really regret spending 3L in a worried trance, just go with the flow. Things will work out as long as you have the right references and top grades or a good undergrad.
As the poster above said, keep hustling. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:25 PM Author: 180 crimson place of business market What type of non-legal job are you working? How'd you get it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978174) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:28 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes got it by applying to a bunch of job postings, going to interviews, and kicking ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978199) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: 180 crimson place of business market Where did you find these postings?
What did you do with the legal background? Just tell them that it was a mistake? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:39 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes various websites. yea basically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978289) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:40 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Care to out firm? I am a 2L and deciding between BIGLAW firms, but I don't want to pick the wrong one... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978291) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: haunting theater police squad You can post and delete. I promise I won't quote! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978300) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes post the firms you're interviewing at and delete, i'll tell you if it's one of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978309) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:44 PM Author: haunting theater police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978321) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes so, both are shitholes, both no-offered people i know, both deferred tons. i was at a "better" place. can't really give you advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978332) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: haunting theater police squad K, thanks. Actually, they both gave 100% offer rates in NYC for 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978338) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes im talking about c/o 2009 and c/o 2010.
the fact that they gave a teeny tiny c/o 2011 class full offers means nothing. and read up on ATL. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:48 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Oh, graduating class, you mean? I am more focused on offer rates of people who summered this summer (2010) and are graduating in 2011. Any thoughts on that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978353) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:50 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes if things turn the other way, why do you think there won't be a new batch of rescinded offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978376) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:51 PM Author: haunting theater police squad You mean the economy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978388) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes yea. the ship, so to speak. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978398) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:48 PM Author: haunting theater police squad So, you summered in 2009 or 2010? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978358) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:48 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes 2009 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978362) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:50 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Oh, OK. Well, I mean, the fact that those firms did what they did was a product of the time, and I am aware my firms did that in 2009. I also have a market-paying non-ranked NYC firm offer I am considering, too. IDK what they did in 2009.
At least you are enjoying your new work, though (in all seriousness). |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:52 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes thanks :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978397) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:56 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes i had an offer from one of those. would be working there now if i took it. ~200 people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978419) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:19 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Fewer, but, yeah, close to that #. Mine seems like a pretty solid firm. I like the small feel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978540) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:26 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978572) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:29 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Not that firm. They dinged me in the screening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978586) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:29 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes k. good luck whatever you decide! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978589) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:30 PM Author: haunting theater police squad ty. appreciate it. That was a solid firm, though. I really liked the screening for that one and its feel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978594) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:31 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978601) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:35 PM Author: haunting theater police squad . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978630) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:44 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes back for like 5 minutes if you want to post the name. i think ive given you enough background to know i have a clue what im talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978691) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:45 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Get it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978701) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:46 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes ugh nope. one more time, sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978712) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:47 PM Author: haunting theater police squad This time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978718) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:47 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes got it. i gotta run, but sorry i don't know anything about them, heard the name. definitely not a slam dunk like the other firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978724) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:48 PM Author: haunting theater police squad Thoughts compared to the other firms I mentioned before? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978729) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:58 PM Author: haunting theater police squad ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978788) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978303) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:43 PM Author: haunting theater police squad How do you know who are those important partners? Is there a list once you get to the firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978317) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: gold frum piazza useless brakes just look at the (a) hiring partners and (b) executive committee members. if you want to be safe, you want to make sure that one of them will be willing to vouch for you above and beyond doing great work for a specific group.
that is usually a total of like 7 people. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:49 PM Author: haunting theater police squad k, ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15978366) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 3:31 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop i was no-offered, but then got an interview at a firm that is my top choice. but i won't know for another few weeks. out of my hands at this point, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15979006) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 4:01 PM Author: Amber flickering associate You got a screener interview or a CB? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15979260) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: maniacal supple bawdyhouse dog poop because i didn't get the interview through OCI, the interview i did would be the only one i do - regardless of if i get an offer or not. it was a few hours long with different sessions with partners and associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415424&forum_id=2#15979319) |