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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:31 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse We've been dating for over 3 years and I want to get married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976871) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:33 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Should've cut losses at year 2. How old are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976875) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:34 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse 27 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976876) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Yikes. It's ultimatum time. You have a shelf life of 1.5 years at best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976881) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:40 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay DEE YOUR MOTHER CALLED ME LAST NIGHT. THE DOWNSTAIRS TOILET WAS OVERFLOWING AND SHE NEEDS YOU TO FIX IT. DID YOU GET THE MESSAGE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976888) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:01 PM Author: contagious public bath striped hyena TITMFCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977584) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:05 AM Author: Diverse feces Looks like he'll be breaking up w you soon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976958) |
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Date: December 4th, 2010 5:30 AM Author: adulterous mexican senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#16717304) |
Date: September 6th, 2010 9:36 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete Yeah, that's never going to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976877) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:36 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse you know not of what you speak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976878) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete Yes I do. This guy is lazy and doesn't want you around for the rest of his life. He'll drop you when he finds something better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976879) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse you're just trying to bait me. i know my bf a lot better than you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976883) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:40 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete If your boyfriend has a dick like mine, then trust me, I know him a lot better than you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976886) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:42 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse he's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976897) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:42 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete He's not what? You dumb bish! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976899) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:43 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse a dick like yours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976901) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:44 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete You are AZN if you think your grammar was correct in that case. No wonder he doesn't want to marry you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976904) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:31 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus I thought you were gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977043) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:32 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete That's only what I tell you so you'll let me freely grope your breasts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977049) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:40 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood If you knew he would sting you along for 3 years then you're a moron and deserve Fendi handbags full of kitty litter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976887) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:41 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay DEE THAT ISN'T A VERY NICE WAY TO TALK TO A GIRL. YOUR MOTHER WOULD NOT BE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976892) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:41 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse i wouldn't say he is stringing me along because he really does love me. he's just comfortable and not thinking about how things should change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976893) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:41 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete Might as well start picking out your cat names now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976894) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:42 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse stop projecting shrew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976898) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:43 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete Now is a good time to start stocking up on dry food for kitties. Notice how cat food is cheaper when the economy isn't doing well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976902) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse you need to stop projecting. not everyone is a loveless cunt like you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976907) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete I choose to be a loveless cunt! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976909) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:46 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse sure you did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976913) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:47 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete Why the hell would I want to worry with a bitchy female who bleeds once a month and can't cook as well as her mother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976917) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:49 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay MY JUNIOR LEAGUE FRIEND, ELMA, FOSTERS KITTY CATS. SHE HAS EIGHT CATS LIVING AT HER HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SHE IS A SAINT FOR THE CAT WORLD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976920) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:50 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete She is a legendary idol for all female posters on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976923) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:43 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood He loves you so much he wants to keep his options open to penetrate other women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976900) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:44 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse again, you don't know anything about him. you don't know anything about penetrating women either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976903) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood The YOU DON'T KNOW ME routine is tired and lame. You're correct, I don't, but it isn't rocket science to read between the lines on a 3 year relationship going nowhere fast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976906) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:46 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse except that no relationship can be judged without knowing the actual circumstances (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976911) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:50 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Oh yea I'm sure you have amazingly unique romantic comedyesque circumstances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976921) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:46 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay DEE YOUR COMMENTS ARE VERY MEAN-SPIRITED. DON'T YOU EVER HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY HONEY? WHY DON'T YOU GO OUTDOORS AND GET SOME FRESH AIR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976914) |
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Date: December 4th, 2010 10:08 AM Author: self-absorbed cerise station french chef lol this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#16717503) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: Light gay wizard keepsake machete :D has a marvelous dick. His mother helped him take a picture of it so he could post on XO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976908) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay DEE WHENEVER I READ YOUR THREADS I AM VERY SADDENED AT ALL OF YOUR ANGER I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK WITH A DOCTOR, HONEY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976910) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: jet juggernaut lol most of this is more or less on point as to what a concerned ARE country mom would say. lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977147) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:52 AM Author: Fear-inspiring Boiling Water Wagecucks lol YOUR FUCKED
relationships have two ways to go: up or down. if he's "comfortable" now you're never going to get the ring unless something shakes him up.
you need to talk with him directly about your expectations. if he has been fucking you for three years you should be intimate enough to talk about marriage. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: Rough-skinned Weed Whacker Why should he marry you? What do you have to offer him? How does him marrying you help him?
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:07 AM Author: motley pervert There's a peak time in a relationship where you're going to get married or else he's going to string you along. You've passed that threshold. Give him an ultimatim, then fucking walk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976965) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:11 AM Author: Rough-skinned Weed Whacker You act like the ball is in her court LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976971) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:12 AM Author: motley pervert She can walk, unless she's one of those collared bitches unable to pry herself away from her abusive BF, in which case she's fucked like most battered wives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976975) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:16 AM Author: Rough-skinned Weed Whacker Sure she can walk, but she'll be just as fucked unless she's very good looking (legit 8.5+) or has some other great attributes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976986) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:24 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay MY JUNIOR LEAGUE FRIEND, GRENADINE, BOUGHT HER THIRD HUSBAND MAIL ORDER FROM RUSSIA. GRENADINE FOUND BORIS ON AN INTERWEBS SITE FOR RUSSIAN MEN LOOKING FOR RICH AMERICAN SUGAR MOMMIES. GRENADINE SAID IT WAS LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977007) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:25 AM Author: motley pervert Fair point, but at 27 she's still viable on the market, but she's gotta move fast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977010) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:26 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay SHE COULD GET A RUSH FEDEX DELIVERY OF A RUSSIAN MAIL ORDER HUSBAND IF IT IS THAT URGENT. GRENADINE RECEIVED HER MAIL ORDER HUSBAND ORDER IN JUST TWO WEEKS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977019) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:32 AM Author: Rough-skinned Weed Whacker I highly doubt that a guy she'd really want would be very quick to marry. Even if she finds another guy within the next month, she probably wouldn't be married until 31 or so.
If she wants to move fast, she's likely going to have to settle on a guy below her standards. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:36 AM Author: motley pervert 30-31 isn't bad, and it sounds like this guy's a deadbeat anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977071) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:37 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood That is BEST case scenario, not the most likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977079) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:39 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus she should leave just so she doesn't become as psychologically messed up as me. I've not only lost time, but will probably need a good year's worth of therapy to be marketable again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977091) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:40 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood cliff notes please on your epic fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977100) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:44 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977127) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977130) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus for my epic fail? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977142) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Date: September 6th, 2010 10:44 AM Author: crablegs
3.5 year relationship with bf who has not wanted to sleep with me for over a year (and I look pretty much the same as I did when we started dating and haven't gained weight). at the customary 2 year mark, I decided to extend it to a 3-year mark because I'd been depressed and it was long distance, so I felt like it was okay to extend time. then I just became too depressed and lacking in self-esteem to either walk away or be pleasant. now I am very angry, humiliated, and feel like I should resign myself to a life alone with cats.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977127) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus meh. I've posted like 5 million threads on this before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977159) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:28 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency Why you still with him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977351) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse you need some cookies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977104) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus I have cookies. I need a family. *sobs over krullers* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977148) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay I THINK YOU NEED A FULL REBOOTING HONEY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN A SINGLE GUY ISSUE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977131) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:33 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse what sort of ultimatum? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977054) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:33 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood ring or breakup. He has 2 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977056) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:35 AM Author: motley pervert "Do you... see us together... in the future?" Some coy shit to start the conversation. Then you move to, "Well, if you're not serious about where we're headed by (Thanksgiving, whatever) and ready for a commitment, then I'll have some decisions to make." Pretty much obvious set-up. Then dump his ass. You have to basically brace yourself to dump him and start prepping for it now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977067) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza Credited.
Unless you're in undergrad three years is WAY too long to date with no ring. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:19 AM Author: Dashing location yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977283) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:18 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Looks like she's left the thread. Apparently looking for validation, "Oh, it will happen any minute!" Instead, resorting to the YOU DON'T KNOW ME while getting cold clocked by the reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976992) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:25 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay MY JUNIOR LEAGUE FRIENDS JUST BUY THEIR HUSBANDS THROUGH THE INTERWEBS WITH A CREDIT CARD. IF STANLEY EVER DIES, I AM GOING TO PURCHASE A HUSBAND FROM RUSSIA OR CHINA. I FIND THE CHINESE MEN VERY SEXY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977012) |
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Date: December 4th, 2010 10:09 AM Author: self-absorbed cerise station french chef Better for the schick if she calls them CHINAMEN not Chinese men (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#16717508) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:32 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse I got a phone call (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977050) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:19 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus *appears as the ghost of christmas future* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15976995) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:26 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza Start nesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977021) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:27 AM Author: Maize meetinghouse love of her life if he liked it he would have put a ring on it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977023) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:34 AM Author: Diverse feces If you pressure him on this it will destroy your relationship. Maybe he plans on marrying you in the future, maybe he doesn't. If you go into crazy bitch mode you are done for though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977060) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:35 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus this too. *serves as cautionary example* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977063) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:35 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse I'm sorry, but I don't believe that pressure always destroys relationship. I am also unwilling to wait until he figures out what he wants to do. I want to get married, and I am not going to wait another year for him to commit to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977070) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:39 AM Author: Diverse feces If you pressure him on this it WILL destroy your relationship. This is what destroyed my relationship of a similar length. I was willing to get married...at some far future date, when I was ready and she went in terminal psycho bitch mode needing it to be now now now. Relationship over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977092) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse then you didn't love her, end of story. you are incapable of loving anyone but yourself so that isn't very surprising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977103) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: Diverse feces lol, ok go ahead and try to force your bf into marriage before he's ready and report back on how that works out for you. What's the big deal anyway? It's a stupid ceremony and a party, why do you need a white dress to validate your life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977114) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:44 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse i am not going to debate the merits of marriage with you RSF. that debate has been had on here before, and i want no part in it. you are an aspie weirdo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977128) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: Diverse feces I hope you enjoy being single, your relationship is on borrowed time. I also hope you enjoy your cats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977143) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:00 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape "It's a stupid ceremony and a party, why do you need a white dress to validate your life?"
It's tradition. There are worse justifications for behaviors. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:06 AM Author: Diverse feces Too many girls get crazy over it and destroy relationships that could have worked either through ring insanity or through forcing marriages that both parties are not ready for. I understand the anxiety re. being left an old spinster, but let it happen organically, when he's ready he'll propose, if he's not ready all you can do is ruin the relationship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977217) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:14 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape Are you talking about the wedding or marriage itself?
I agree that when a guy is ready, he'll propose, but this puts a girl in a bad position if the guy loves the girl but has no idea if he'll ever be ready. I've seen girls sit through 5+ year long relationships with men who ended up never being ready. I'm not saying these girls got marriage insanity, but they broke up because the girl wanted marriage and the guy didn't.
There's an optimum point. Pressuring after a year and a half is silly. Gradually bringing up the issue after 5 years is prudent. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:17 AM Author: Diverse feces It's not about the wedding per se (although that's certainly part of it), it's about them wanting the ring and the supposed security that comes with it. I get the worry on the girls part, but the ring isn't some lifetime bond anymore either. Pressuring for a marriage to soon is just going to lead to her being older AND a divorcee which makes her even less desirable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977269) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape The ring isn't a lifetime bond, but being married does increase the transaction costs inherent in splitting up a relationship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977332) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: Diverse feces Not so much that you're going to stick around if you're unhappy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977343) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape True, but the point of "intolerable unhappy" is greater for married couples than for couples who are seriously dating but don't otherwise share bank accounts etc.... There's also the stigma about being divorced, which does affect men as well. I know many girls who claim that they wouldn't date a divorced man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977374) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:36 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency I think most women would rather date a divorced man over 35 than a never married or engaged one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977415) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:44 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape It depends on so many factors. You can't make that blanket statement. I don't have the stigma against divorce that some people do. I wouldn't date a guy with kids and I'd be very suspect about a 35-year-old who has never been in a serious relationship, but a 35-year-old who has never been engaged but has been in a few LTRs that just didn't work out is in the same boat as one who has been married/engaged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977472) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:50 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency I would hope any 35 yr old guy who never had a girlfriend would be smart enough to make one up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977510) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza 5 years? I wouldn't have let it get past two, definitely not 3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977271) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:53 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape This.
But some people are either really patient, aren't as concerned with marriage as a life goal or would prefer to be with the guy in a non-marriage context than be without him (i.e. they love him so much). |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape To be honest, she sounds like she went about this all wrong. If she quietly broke up with you in a non-psycho fashion, how would you have felt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977113) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: Diverse feces Lousy. I still feel lousy about it, but if you're not ready to get married, you're not ready. Forcing it would end up being even worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977132) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza Women can't sit around and wait for you to be ready, which might be never. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977187) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape Yeah, that's the problem. If we're in our early/mid 20s and in a relationship, we worry that we might be wasting our "best" years on a guy who is never going to propose to us. If we're older, we fear like we're just wasting time. The only women who wait around are those who genuinely don't care about ever being married (a small few) or are also not ready to be married at this point in their lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977197) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:06 AM Author: Diverse feces Why does there have to be an arbitrary cut off at which point the guy has to be ready? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977222) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:07 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood Because her value is falling every day and it becomes less and less likely the guy will ever be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977229) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:08 AM Author: Diverse feces It does not become less likely the guy will ever be ready. If he's put in three years, he obviously sees some sort of a future. You are not allowed to chime in on interpersonal relationships until you leave your basement and have some. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977233) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:10 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood "If he's put in three years, he obviously sees some sort of a future." No. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977242) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: Diverse feces lol, stfu you aspie. I just lived this situation, I think my opinion counts for more than yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977243) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:12 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood A sample size of 1, impressive. Stupid fucking shithead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977250) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: Diverse feces Your sample size of 0 and opinion based on your aspie notions of how people function is even less impressive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977253) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:51 PM Author: Twinkling rigor :D is right here. A guy's calculus as to whether to stay is purely the cost-benefit analysis of dumping her. Women have to consider their shelf life. Just because he hasn't dumped her doesn't mean he sees them ever getting married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15982414) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:17 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza If he doesn't know within a year that things are definitely headed that way, he's either very immature or otherwise not worth having as a boyfriend (at least from the view of a woman who wants to marry, which OP is).
she sounds like she hasn't even had that conversation though, which makes me think the whole thing is flame. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: Diverse feces Knowing things are heading that way, aka wanting to get married "eventually" is different than having a ticking clock at the expiration of which a ring is expected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977273) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza At some point, though, just having that vague idea isn't enough. Some guys might just get into a comfort zone where they need a little prodding.
Depending on her goals/age/etc. I would have started asking at year one and at the end of year two I'd be gone or asking more pointed questions. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:23 AM Author: Diverse feces It went from about year 1.5 through the end of the relationship for me. She kept saying she was terrified I would date her until she was old, then dump her for a 22 year old. I get the worry, but instead of getting her what she wanted (which she eventually would have gotten in all likelihood) it poisoned our relationship and became a constant source of tension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977320) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:53 PM Author: Twinkling rigor You say this like she made a bad choice. The fact is that you have no idea how long it would take for you to "be ready" if ever, and her concern is legit. You're a selfish asshole and if you're not even willing to marry her then why wouldn't she think that you'll dump her for a 22 year old when she's 35? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15982434) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape There's a lot of shades of gray between the two points, though. Wanting to get married "eventually" doesn't necessarily mean you have any intention, vague or otherwise, of marrying your current girlfriend.
I'd like to go to Santorini. I have made no definite plans to go there in the next couple of years. I just know from friends who have been there that it can be quite nice depending on what time of year you go. This kind of attitude isn't terribly comforting to a girl who would like a guy to have some sort of clear idea when a ring is expected.
Many girls can work with a guy's timeline as long as they know its length and that marriage is a "when" and not an "if". No girl wants to spend 2 years getting to maybe. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:24 AM Author: Diverse feces I set a time line, but it was for 5-7 additional years. She knew this for a long time, but I guess she hoped she could force me into moving things up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977323) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: violent at-the-ready plaza Yeah, that's too long and there is the risk to her that something will change in that 5-7 years.
If I heard a guy say he might marry me in 5-7 years I'd be gone. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:28 AM Author: Diverse feces I was always upfront about it though, it's not like this is a recent development. She just ignored it and thought she could pressure me into bending to her will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977348) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:29 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape People do change their minds. It's not completely unprecedented that a guy says, fairly early on in the relationship, that he doesn't see himself getting married for X years but ends up getting married in X - 2 years because the girl plays her cards right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977363) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: Diverse feces That could have been possible, however the cards she played (being insane about marriage and allowing the anger over not being engaged to provoke countless other fights) moved the timeline further back rather than closer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977392) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:46 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape That's too bad. Looks like you two were incompatible about the big stuff. People really need a similar marriage timeline, or one person has to be flexible and willing to compromise/take the risk. Two inflexible people who want different things won't work out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977483) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:47 AM Author: Diverse feces Yup. We are both inflexible, spoiled and immature. She wanted marriage immediately and kids in the near future, I didn't want either for a long time. She wanted to settle down and stay in NYC, I wanted to continue to move all over and be a nomad. So basically we disagreed on every big issue. Sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977496) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: Twinkling rigor "We are both inflexible, spoiled and immature"
Well there it is. You were both DOA. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:28 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape Hmm. Did you make it clear that you wanted to get married to her, just not now? It's a pretty big gamble on her part and I don't blame her into forcing her to move things up. I suppose she chose the option of breaking it off with you to find someone with a shorter marriage timeline. Maybe having kids means a lot to her, or she doesn't want to risk sticking with you for 5-7 additional years and having you change your mind re: marriage. That's a risk that I probably wouldn't take in my mid 20s unless I was really in love with the guy AND didn't see myself having kids.
I was in a similar situation to yours a few years ago and I walked away (with no ring/marriage drama, just a simple breakup). |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: Diverse feces Yes, we discussed marrying each other. I just made it clear (or I thought I did) that it wouldn't be for a long time. The kids thing was definitely a concern for her (and also not something I want for a very long time). It sucks, because we both still love each other, and we're great friends, but we just don't want the same things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977380) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape A lot of women want children. A lot of women also want to be married and would prefer being married sooner (to some extent) rather than later because of the child issue. Depending on where the woman lives, she might be facing pressure from family and friends re: marriage/kids.
There is also the societal bias (which Dee crudely articulates here) against single women of a certain age. I've experienced this IRL to some degree, although not at all to the absurd degree expressed here by a few posters. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:20 AM Author: Diverse feces That bias may exist in TTTexas and other fly over dumps, but I think we can agree there is no bias against unmarried women in the mid-20's in NYC and having children at that age is generally not on their radar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977290) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape Of course. I was just speaking from my own recent experience and I just turned 30. I didn't experience any such bias when I was 27 and I was living in NYC at that time. The OP probably figures that she also might have a limited time to get married, especially if she is in biglaw and doesn't have the time to devote to being social. Biglaw schedules don't lend themselves to being date-friendly. If she has to start from Square 1 all over again (if the relationship ends), she might easily be 30+ before she finds herself in a marriage-track relationship again.
At 27, I was not freaking out about marriage but I sure was thinking in the back of my mind "shit, I'd better start dating intelligently or else I might be single at 30". And even in NY there is some bias against single 30something females. It's by no means pronounced and universal but it's there. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency There seem to be more late 20's single girls (like completely single) in my law school than single guys in the 28-30 range. These girls seem to be living the SATC lifestyle and not stressing about finding a guy. You think in private they're nervous as hell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977391) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:34 AM Author: Diverse feces They def are. Girls in their late 20's don't want to live the SATC lifestyle, they're just putting up a brave, whorish front if they pretend they are happy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977398) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:38 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency One of them is a formerly really hot girl who has put on some pounds but is still fuckable. Maybe I should try some subtle negs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977423) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:40 AM Author: Diverse feces She'll hit rock bottom eventually and get in the gym to get herself in order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977436) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:42 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape No one wants to live the SATC lifestyle. Most girls have those few things that they like to splurge on once they get disposable income and living in a large city with disposable income can be fun, but none of these girls considers it ideal to be 35 and not in a functional relationship.
No one stresses about finding a guy in public, and it's not something they bring up to their closest friends. Whether or not a girl is stressed out about finding a guy depends on what else she's got going on in her life, and her attitude to marriage.
One of my friends who is 30 just doesn't care. She wants it eventually but is so focused on her career right now (she's general counsel at 30!) that being in a relationship would be the worst thing for her at this time, so she says.
Another friend of mine comes from a broken home and says "even if I have to wait until 35 to find the right guy, I'm not getting married until I fall in love". Her mother married someone she wasn't in love with just to tick the box and ended up being pwned in the divorce.
Girls are definitely thinking about marriage at 28-30, but whether they're freaking out or just thinking "oops, better make smart choices about dating now" depends on the girl. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:58 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency I mean, does the general counsel chick think it'll be easier to find a man in 4 years, when she's just as busy, not looking as good and watching all her friends have kids? This is what's wrong with this country. 30 year old women in the ghetto already have 4 kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977564) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:06 PM Author: boyish yapping milk ape She lives in a large city that's not in America and she's also not American. Where she grew up, it was considered weird and vaguely white trash to get married in your early to mid 20s and most people with a college degree get married in their 30s. Her sister had her first marriage at 34 or 35 and that was considered normal (or at least not outside the bounds of normal). She also says that guys in her country don't have the age fixation (i.e. younger is overwhelmingly better) that guys in America do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977624) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:35 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape How old is he? If he doesn't want to get married or isn't ready to get married, the signs are all usually there - it's just that you choose to ignore them. He may also just need to feel comfortable with verbalizing them more. A lot of guys don't want to get married until they reach certain professional or financial goals. Also, are a lot of his friends married, engaged, in relationships or single?
Just talk to him plainly about this. Say that you've been together for 3+ years and would like to know if he's ever been giving marriage a thought, because it's been something you've been thinking about and it would be nice if the two of you could openly discuss your future options together. No ultimatum, just ask for more open communication so you know where he stands and what is blocks are to marriage, if any. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:36 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood A 30 year old A L O N E shrew is a MFE on getting engaged, how? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977074) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:39 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay DEE, HONEY, YOU STILL SOUND VERY ANGRY. WHAT'S WRONG HONEY? I WANT TO HELP YOU. DO YOU NEED SOME ROAST BEEF? I THINK YOU SHOULD SEE A DOCTOR HONEY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977097) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:36 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse 30
ti guess i'll start with this. after that i am going to wait a certain amount of time and give him an ultimatum. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:37 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood It's been 3 YEARS. What you see is what you get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977082) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:38 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse We thank :D for this episode of Basement Wisdom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977088) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:40 AM Author: Impressive vibrant potus MFE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977099) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:40 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape 30 is a tricky age. Some guys at 30 are emotionally 25, others are emotionally 35. Are many of his friends married? Where do you live?
Ultimatums don't really work with some people. If you're genuinely at a point where you would rather walk away from the relationship than continue on for an indefinite period of time to wait for him to make up his mind, then walk. You have to be prepared to walk and you cannot go back to him. Just be honest and calm with him when you do this, and this cannot come as a blindside - you have to let him first know that marriage is something you eventually want for yourself and you see him as someone you could envision spending the rest of your life with.
Are you two living together? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood "Some guys at 30 are emotionally 25, others are emotionally 35." Deep GraceKelly. Deep. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape Deep like your parents' basment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977119) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood good one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977124) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse Some of them are married, some aren't. I'd say it's half and half. NYC
I guess that's true.
yes |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood PWNED. Living together and getting anal, he already has everything he wants. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977120) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape First fairly sensible post from you.
I've seen guys give rings to girls that they were living with, but all of these guys were clearly going to propose to the girl. I was just the maid of honor in a wedding where the husband and wife SLEPT TOGETHER before their first date, lived on separate continents for the first year of their relationship and lived together before getting married (they broke nearly every dating "rule"), but they were over the moon for each other.
With borderline cases who might not be ready to get married (and it sounds like the OP's boyfriend is a borderline case), living together is a great way to get the BF to think "why change the status quo"? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:37 AM Author: Adventurous pink newt Float the prospect of anal, but only if he puts a ring on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977077) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:37 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse we've done anal. i mean, really, we've been together for 3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977083) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:02 PM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency saving that for marriage would have been smart you whore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977590) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 9:55 PM Author: lemon affirmative action have you done anal with a nigger while your bf was watching & masturbating? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15982453) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:37 AM Author: Concupiscible peach lay HERE IS ANOTHER SITE, HONEY. JUST BUY A NEW ONE IF THE ONE YOU HAVE ISN'T WORKING.
http://www.grooms.ca/ |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: Swashbuckling Puce Area Athletic Conference have you really never talked about marriage at all? this should not be a big deal to discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977115) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse we've talked about it some but never really focused on our own future (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977121) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape What he says when talking about it may say a lot about what he thinks about marrying you, or his own marriage timeline. What does he say when he talks about marriage? When one of his friends gets married, what's the reaction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977144) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse he seems happy for them. like i said, we've never talked about us getting married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977155) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:53 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape It's a sensible conversation to have. It's not like both of you are in your early to mid 20s or still in school with major life changes ahead of you.
Do you know if he has any major personal goals requiring lots of personal upheaval/transience coming up, like moving abroad or going to business school? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:08 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse he doesn't afaik (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977234) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: boyish yapping milk ape OK. Probably means that he's in a fairly stable place right now. Good sign.
Seriously, what's wrong with even just asking him how he feels about marriage in general? If you can't talk about this after THREE YEARS, even if you two live together, that's a major red flag. You let him stick his penis in your anus but you don't feel comfortable initiating a benign conversation about marriage in the abstract. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: Swashbuckling Puce Area Athletic Conference idk, if you are in a healthy ltr this should not be difficult to discuss at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977150) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:50 AM Author: Adventurous pink newt Some questions for you:
Rate your looks today versus when you started dating him. Have you put on ANY weight?
Rate your career today versus when you started dating him. Have you become more successful than you were three years ago, or are you in about the same place?
Have your friends reached the wedding/engagement tipping point? Have his?
Does he have a career?
Is he 30? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:07 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse yes, i have, but i gained it 6 months after we started dating. he liked it the, and i haven't gained anything since.
i was in law school then. currently in BIGLAW
half and half
yes
yes |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:10 AM Author: Adventurous pink newt Ok. You might have to give it another year, and don't worry about it if all signs indicate things are going well between the two of you.
Edit: Also, do you live together? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: Onyx really tough guy bawdyhouse sure do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977246) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:21 AM Author: Aquamarine Hell Associate lol @ all the weak-ass :D jokes in this thread. he is burning all of you. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:41 AM Author: arrogant crackhouse mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977450) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:36 AM Author: flatulent drab lodge national security agency Does he make substantially less than you? THis could be a problem in his eyes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977408) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:52 AM Author: Mahogany Wrinkle Stage He knows you want a ring. You need to figure out why he hasn't.given you one yet, then figure out what to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977520) |
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Date: December 4th, 2010 10:12 AM Author: irradiated range she's a whore
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Date: September 6th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: arousing umber jew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZJ43yOLgH8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415748&forum_id=2#15977573) |