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If you're not rooting for USC to run the table, you hate freedom
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:51 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo 1. You're rooting for a bunch of kids who were running around the house playing Harry Potter while Bush was playing to defy the unfair punishment they had nothing to do with.
2. You're rooting for the assclowns of the NCAA to be exposed yet again for their stupidity and greed. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:22 PM Author: adventurous misanthropic faggotry school what does this have to do with the United States Code? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978152) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:54 PM Author: supple haunting house i enjoyed this, fyi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978403) |
Date: September 6th, 2010 12:54 PM Author: white boyish dopamine theater 3. you're rooting for lane kiffin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15977972) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:56 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo this is the only downside (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15977986) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 12:58 PM Author: naked pearly box office But you're rooting against Nick Saban, Urban Meyer and Mack Brown. That should balance it out. I don't understand why every school that has been caught with players taking benefits from agents this summer has not been penalized to the same extent as USC. Or why Florida can have 40 players arrested in the past 5 years and not be penalized at all. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:08 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo I don't understand how you can punish the players and fans when they're about a thousand steps removed from the offense, and meanwhile Bush's family is living in a new house, Bush is making millions fucking a Kardashian and has a super bowl ring, and Carroll (who also probably did nothing) is in the NFL making millions.
Moreso, I don't think it was reasonable to believe that USC should have caught this. They have so many players, and the Bush family knew they had to hide this so its likely the paper trail was nonexistent. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: Cracking Corner Wasn't it completely obvious though? The Bush family was living in a huge house in San Diego when they were previously poor and there was no good explanation for where all the money came from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978089) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:18 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo Subject: Doesn't seem like anything that catchable $595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's. $250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel. Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:
Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation; Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family. Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:
$623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush. $1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source. Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said. As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins. Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins. Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and h |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:20 PM Author: Cracking Corner So his family lived rent free in an $800,000 house that was owned by a sports agent for a year but it's not that catchable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978131) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:22 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo $800,000 is a fairly modest home in SoCal. That's maybe like a 3 bedroom if that.
I don't really know how much leeway they get, but I have a hard time believing they go up to every parent of the 100 some kid roster and ask where they are living and who owns the house. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:27 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king Yeah Bush was just another player on the 100 kid roster; nobody knew anything about him, his background, his comings and goings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978189) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:37 PM Author: naked pearly box office Every asshole in Southern California bought an 800k house without the income to support it in 2005. The school does not have the right to check the parents' accounting records. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978272) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:39 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo I love how everyone says it was so obvious.
"Oh hey black family, that house looks like its a little too expensive for people like you to afford doesn't it?!" |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: naked pearly box office You're surprised that a board full of racists would automatically assume that a black family can't afford what is a completely average house in San Diego? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978302) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:25 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king And while the most prominent star in decades on one of the most frequently sanctioned programs is committing gross rules violations "unseen," meanwhile the same thing is happening for the star player on the university's basketball team. Yeah, USC teams are a bunch of rag tag underdogs who didn't deserve this witch hunt at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978179) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: naked pearly box office USC is not one of the most frequently sanctioned football programs. Alabama holds that title all by itself. Meanwhile, it's players take free trips from agents which the program is on probation and the team does not suffer any penalties. Reggie Bush was also not even the most prominent player on his own team, much less the most prominent in decades. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king I didn't say the most frequently sanctioned. It is one of the most frequently though. It's been on probation 6 times in the last 50 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978277) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:39 PM Author: naked pearly box office It was NEVER on probation under the current coaching staff and AD (pretty sure the 2001 probation was from the former regime), so what relevance does an NCAA sanction in 1957 have? I'm also not sure being the 11th most sanctioned team = "most". |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:43 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king It's been on probation as recently as 2001; the violations didn't occur under the current coaching staff but they are still recent. It suggests both that the university should know that it's going to be under stricter NCAA university and also that the culture and history of the program is not one of rigid rules following.
In any event that was a minor part of my post and it's still factually correct. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: naked pearly box office Even with the latest sanctions it's still only the 11th most sanctioned team. So no, you are not "factually" correct. Shouldn't Alabama, which has basically been on probation for the past 15 years straight have been able to prevent their players from taking free tickets? Where are their sanctions? How can a school possibly control and monitor things that it has no right to investigate? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:49 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king There are 120 schools in division IA. So yes, that does make it one of the most frequently probated programs. I don't know why you're even babbling about fucking Alabama; it's a dirty program, nobody thinks otherwise, but that's irrelevant to the niggling argument that you were trying to make. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978365) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: naked pearly box office How many D1 programs were there in 1957? Alabama is extremely relevant. They're the defending national champion and aren't having anyone questioning their title despite being dirty (and Saban being dirty himself). They're ranked #1 this season despite having players who've already been caught taking gifts. They're not receiving punishment equivalent to USC even though they have far more reason to clean up their act than USC had. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:55 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king Poor, poor USC. If it salves your butthurt I would probably laugh uncontrollably if Bama was severely disciplined as well. If the sanctions included public electrocution of Saban's testicles in the Georgia Dome I would consider flying down and buying tickets (no homo). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978414) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:18 PM Author: naked pearly box office I don't think it was a "huge house" and his family was not previously that poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978115) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:14 PM Author: heady bat shit crazy point Fuck them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978094) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:16 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king Also freedom-hating: people who rooted for John Henry in the track laying contest, people who rooted for Poland in WW2, and people who rooted for the Mighty Ducks against the Hawks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978102) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:20 PM Author: Cracking Corner John Henry got what was coming though at the end of that contest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978140) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:25 PM Author: tantric fantasy-prone hell headpube I love the line from last episode of Hard Knocks by one of the Jets players: "Joe [McKnight] probably isn't playing that hard cause he took a pay cut to play with the Jets rather than USC"
Let's be honest here, there are literally hundreds of Sam Gilberts in the LA area right now. Bush is the only one who was dumb enough to get caught
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:27 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo If we're being honest, they're at every major school and most of the minor ones.
It's not that Bush is the only one dumb enough to get caught, its also a factor of he's the only one big enough people cared enough to catch. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:31 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king I'll be honest though, that people don't really give a shit about the rules violations themselves, it's that USC football was a widely disliked goliath and everybody is relishing in them being taken down a peg. If similar violations were found at say Wisconsin everybody wouldn't be clamoring to see Wiscy fall on its face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978228) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo Right, and I just think people need to realize that these kids are real people. They did nothing wrong, and this will cost some of them millions of dollars. It will cost some of them a chance at the pros. And it will cost some of them who've devoted their entire life to football a chance to play for a bowl game.
I don't understand this mentality that has so many xoxo posters, after watching a group of guys having to hike up a hill at 5 am because someone they don't know mouthed off, is rooting for the drill instructor. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:40 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king Kids on every goddamn team in the NCAA are real people. Unless you are making some kind of faggoty pomo argument that we should all hold hands and pull for every college team equally and not have teams we root for and rivals and villains, this isn't persuasive. Or even if you are making that argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978294) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo Wtf kind of dumbass argument is that? I'm not saying that you should award USC the championship because they're real people, I'm saying you shouldn't be able to use them as whipping boys - which is literally what this amounts to.
This isn't that hard of an argument. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king What? People like certain teams in college football. People dislike certain teams. People experience schadenfreude when bad things happen to teams they dislike. Nothing is complicated about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978339) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:49 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo If you're a Bengals fan, would you be happy if the punishment for Big Ben's actions were that Big Ben could play but the current offensive line was unable to play in the NFL for 4 years and had to forfeit all the money they had earned thus far?
I mean, it would make the Steelers worse...
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:50 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king If I was a Bengals fan I would probably be happy about any misfortune befalling the Steelers short of them all dying in a fiery plane crash, whether fair or unfair. And team loyalties and passions about hating other teams are probably 10x as intense in CFB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978380) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: Motley puce parlor tattoo But isn't fairness what makes sports great? I realize there are a lot of things that aren't fair about sports, but ins't the basis that you have to play and win the games and if you do that it's final why we watch?
This is why I hate CFB. Let's punish random people in an arbitrary way and then anoint the winner via a poll. That's interesting why? |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king If you took an anonymous poll of Auburn fans about whether or not they'd rather have 20 years against Alabama with a lot of close games and a nearly .500 series, or if they'd rather see Bama get the death penalty and then beat their JV squad by 50 for the next 20 years, I'm guessing the majority would choose the latter. But you hate CFB, so whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978429) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: tantric fantasy-prone hell headpube RE #2: http://static.open.salon.com/files/duh-duh1233387823.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978249) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:46 PM Author: magical gas station I don't really understand football, but I hate USC so fuck them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978348) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: supple haunting house if you don't like football why do you hate USC? lolwtf, because of it's rise in the ACADEMIC rankings? wtf man are you a crazy person? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978430) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:47 PM Author: curious potus plaza It's kind of ironic after this whole NCAA debacle that the Trojans have turned into the sympathetic scrappy underdogs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978351) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: supple haunting house except that they haven't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978433) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:44 PM Author: curious potus plaza I just meant that (1) there are a lot of people pulling for them just to see what lulz would ensue if a 13-0 Trojan team got left out of the BCS National Championship game and (2) all the players on the team were kids when Reggie Bush committed his alleged violations, so they're being punished for shit they had no connection to. At the very least, the Trojans will play with heart from now on. Before they were punching it in and couldn't care less about whether they got to the NC game or the Rose Bowl as long as they got drafted.
Kiffin's kind of a chump, but I can't think of a head coach for which this isn't at least somewhat true. |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 1:59 PM Author: supple haunting house I'm rooting for USC just to see what happens. 13-0 USC no.1 in the AP, not playing in the BCS bowl with 12-1 UT and 13-0 Boise St. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978439) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: Crimson laughsome multi-billionaire philosopher-king I'm pulling against USC because well, it's USC and Lane Kiffin is probably the worst person alive. But I have to admit the potential for hilarity and rage arising from an undefeated USC team is intriguing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978452) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 2:10 PM Author: white boyish dopamine theater this is indeed pretty compelling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#15978505) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2010 11:00 AM Author: pea-brained shaky institution puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#16203841) |
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Date: October 10th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: pea-brained shaky institution puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#16258758) |
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Date: October 10th, 2010 2:28 PM Author: Talented internal respiration if they were running around the house playing harry potter at age 14 they are ttt faggots who deserve to get fucked up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1415858&forum_id=2#16258772) |