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So, got an offer for BIGLAW Staff Attorney

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay. ...
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
are you the poster who waited five months to here back after...
Ungodly saffron ape
  01/10/11
No
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
what kinda hourly u looking at
Talking Confused Church
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know t...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
define your future role
Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration
  01/10/11
Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
these pay like 90k-ish?
Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration
  01/10/11
lol
Talking Confused Church
  01/10/11
i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last ...
Multi-colored Bat-shit-crazy Public Bath
  01/10/11
Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than t...
Dead library
  01/10/11
I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star"...
geriatric rose point
  01/19/11
You are right at the range, yes.
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?
Talking Confused Church
  01/10/11
Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $1...
Talking Confused Church
  01/10/11
MFE
Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction
  01/10/11
yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to st...
navy faggotry
  01/10/11
shut the fuck up dickfaggot.
red parlor main people
  01/10/11
this thread is depressing
narrow-minded ratface filthpig
  01/10/11
Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate a...
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.
narrow-minded ratface filthpig
  01/10/11
Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys th...
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
sounds horrible.
narrow-minded ratface filthpig
  01/10/11
And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
Who says we are hiring?
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
Everyone.
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
Very weird trolling.
white arousing ticket booth
  01/10/11
I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfe...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
LOL
Talking Confused Church
  01/10/11
it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot ...
nudist range
  01/13/11
im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do ...
Slate submissive hall
  01/10/11
Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just comm...
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
Yes?
narrow-minded ratface filthpig
  01/10/11
I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a p...
Slate submissive hall
  01/10/11
Those are contract attorneys.
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some sala...
diverse whorehouse ladyboy
  01/14/11
no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF goo...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you ar...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this in...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
except for everything.
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?
Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction
  01/10/11
PSA - not all lawyers are litigators. And - that's simply...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or ...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LE...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
lmao. You = delusional.
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
You = liar I possess facts.
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a d...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates"...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is t...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response i...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to cou...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/10/11
"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are...
diverse whorehouse ladyboy
  01/14/11
lol
vivacious sickened theatre genital piercing
  01/10/11
This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW. Seems like a great opp...
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attor...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
Awesome.
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to m...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy g...
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degre...
navy faggotry
  01/10/11
bingo.
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of thei...
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates t...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
Please do.
Crimson Brunch
  01/10/11
McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year a...
mischievous twinkling base
  01/13/11
Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal ass...
cobalt drunken reading party boistinker
  01/10/11
You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instea...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms conv...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - ...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you we...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
No way.
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basic...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and...
Brilliant Rigor
  01/10/11
Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, pu...
insanely creepy magenta sound barrier
  01/13/11
except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.
angry disturbing pervert station
  01/19/11
For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. M...
insanely creepy magenta sound barrier
  01/13/11
Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associ...
Dead library
  01/10/11
congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!
Hairraiser Startled Institution
  01/10/11
And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I...
Unholy Pearly Location
  01/10/11
what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?...
onyx magical field knife
  01/10/11
ya broski, jump on this shit
Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration
  01/10/11
If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associ...
Useless sadistic hospital
  01/10/11
How did you get this?
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/10/11
tcq
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/13/11
i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular as...
sienna milk
  01/10/11
Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't wo...
Useless sadistic hospital
  01/10/11
do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type cre...
Henna church building
  01/10/11
GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007
Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction
  01/10/11
You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associ...
mind-boggling market
  01/11/11
I would guess it depends on the firm
wonderful cuckold
  01/11/11
I am sure it's universal. What incentive to they have NOT...
mind-boggling market
  01/11/11
seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. ...
Slimy Den
  01/12/11
how did you get this job, brother?
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/13/11
...
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/13/11
Lol, desperate faggot
mind-boggling market
  01/14/11
uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more de...
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/17/11
The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job im...
mind-boggling market
  01/18/11
and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in...
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/19/11
Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE wh...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
stfu
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/17/11
id do anything for this type of job but they would never con...
Henna church building
  01/17/11
why not?
Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency
  01/17/11
TT median
Henna church building
  01/17/11
that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
2006-2007 was another world, brother.
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even ra...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
*below median there, fixed that for you.
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but a...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
post your grades course by course.
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively i...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ran...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a ...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
lol @ not even being able to click "view image." y...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11
Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't ge...
Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner
  01/19/11
I'd kill for this job
violet kitty cat queen of the night
  01/19/11
what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get ...
aquamarine nursing home
  01/19/11


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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:29 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay.

Is this normal? I thought staff attorneys usually were non-exempt and entitled to OT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021907)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:31 PM
Author: Ungodly saffron ape

are you the poster who waited five months to here back after interview

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021938)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:33 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021959)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:49 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022147)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: Talking Confused Church

what kinda hourly u looking at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021982)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know to have them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022396)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration

define your future role

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021988)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:35 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021997)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:40 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration

these pay like 90k-ish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022053)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:42 PM
Author: Talking Confused Church

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022069)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:43 PM
Author: Multi-colored Bat-shit-crazy Public Bath

i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last year with bonus and i would kill for that job if it had any security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022078)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: Dead library

Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than they would a Thai whore. At least they might have a future use for the whore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023786)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:40 PM
Author: geriatric rose point

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star" anything be so desperate for a job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092309)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:48 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

You are right at the range, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022137)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: Talking Confused Church

That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022153)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:51 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022158)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: Talking Confused Church

The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $12-18/hr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022169)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:22 PM
Author: Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction

MFE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023755)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 9:57 PM
Author: navy faggotry

yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to start, don't know if that figure goes up after years put in, also don't know what the hours required are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023546)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:28 PM
Author: red parlor main people

shut the fuck up dickfaggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024353)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: narrow-minded ratface filthpig

this thread is depressing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022055)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate at a V50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022151)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: narrow-minded ratface filthpig

it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022164)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys that were senior assocaites that had kids and then came back as staff attorneys. They are well liked/respected and work the hours they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022172)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:54 PM
Author: narrow-minded ratface filthpig

sounds horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022179)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022182)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:56 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

Who says we are hiring?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022191)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:11 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

Everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022298)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:12 PM
Author: white arousing ticket booth

Very weird trolling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022308)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:19 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfectly respectable firm which has weathered the storm as well as any other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022363)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: Talking Confused Church

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022183)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 3:09 AM
Author: nudist range

it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot more than doc review. they are basically just people who work less hours and get paid less, but do similar shit as associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042921)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: Slate submissive hall

im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022163)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:17 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just commenting on the fucking threat title? Anyone have any answers for my question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022355)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:21 PM
Author: narrow-minded ratface filthpig

Yes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022379)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: Slate submissive hall

I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a peak out a window once a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022394)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:24 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

Those are contract attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022406)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:22 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and exempt at every firm I know that has them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022388)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:03 AM
Author: diverse whorehouse ladyboy

The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some salaried employees (salaried non-exempt) get overtime.

Lawyers are salaried professionals who are exempt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050426)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have very reasonable billable requirements and opportunity to earn a bonus above the billables. So it's not a bad deal all-in-all if you want a balanced life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022400)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:25 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF good is a balanced life if you are permanently useless?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022419)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:26 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo dream.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022436)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:28 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you are unemployable. Its only any okay option for moms who really dont give a shit about their careers. When I see males taking these jobs I cringe. These kids really would be better off in shitlaw, taking home 60k, but learning how to do actual litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022468)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this interwebs - please don't contribute. Nothing in your post is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022482)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

except for everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022493)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction

SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023787)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

PSA - not all lawyers are litigators.

And - that's simply not true that staff attorneys can't litigate or participate at any level of legal work. They will be used to the extent of their abilities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022459)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022481)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:32 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LEAST as many transactional attorneys as litigators - most have many more transactional attorneys than litigators.

And staff attorneys are given assignments they are capable of handling including depositions and going to court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022501)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

lmao. You = delusional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022510)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:34 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

You = liar

I possess facts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022528)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a depo against a staff attorney. Aside from them showing up for retarded scheduling conferences I've never even seen a staff attorney in court. You are full of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022576)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates" and to the outside world they are associates and "staff attorney" is an internal record keeping matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022598)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:41 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is totally non-responsive to my comment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022618)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:44 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response is you would never necessarily know whether the attorney working opposite of you is an "associate" or a "staff attorney" based on the title on their business card, the cut of their suit, the type of briefcase that they care or the make of their tie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022660)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless."

This reads like an LSAT question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024334)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:05 AM
Author: diverse whorehouse ladyboy

"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills."

Court appearances and depositions are a pretty small portion of litigation. Motion practice massively swamps both. Of course, I'm talking about nonshitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050450)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: vivacious sickened theatre genital piercing

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022484)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW.

Seems like a great opportunity for a firm to hire a desperate attorney, pay them 1/2 a 1st year associate, and have them work 80 hours a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022453)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attorneys. One comes in every day at 8 and leaves at 5 - the other keeps more flexible hours, but bills 35 or so a week.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022469)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

Awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022479)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to most firms so they are the first to be cut. During ITE many firms fired all their staff attorneys or a much higher percentage than associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022483)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy goes sour.

But I'm hoping I can at least stick it out 2-3 years and pay down some loans and just get the hell out of law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022494)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: navy faggotry

wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degree?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023687)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

bingo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022495)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to staff attorneys and kept their staff attorneys because they could bill them at a lower rate when clients were screaming about bills. Staff attorneys are probably more recession proof.

Also, there is not up or out for staff attorneys. If you continue to be profitable to the firm they'll keep you around forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022521)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of their staff attorneys. Practically ZERO firms went around demoting associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022545)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022560)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: Crimson Brunch

Please do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022579)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 9:36 PM
Author: mischievous twinkling base

McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year associate offers to staff attorney offers back in '09.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17049056)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:42 PM
Author: cobalt drunken reading party boistinker

Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal assistants" doesn't mean it's an industry-wide practice. Firms that don't advertise on the condom dispensers at truck stops have staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022638)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:46 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instead of listening to someone who knows better. That's fine. I'm done fighting you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022678)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms converted associates to staff attorney, but most fired many staff attorneys. Read the ATL articles from that time period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022556)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:37 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - but the idea that somehow you were safe as an associate and definitely fired as a staff attorney is laughably untrue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022572)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you were much better off as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022591)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:40 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

No way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022606)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:43 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basically put underused juniors on doc review/dd and fired staff attorneys and cut their use of contract attorneys to avoid firing a large swath of associates. Except Latham of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022645)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022666)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:48 PM
Author: Brilliant Rigor

No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and a lot of good firms at most ramped up forcing people out and did not can a lot of people. A number of firms fired 100 percent of staff attorneys. How do you like dem apples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022699)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:53 AM
Author: insanely creepy magenta sound barrier

Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, push outs, long runways for departures for seniors, etc. it was probably upwards of 20% for the v100 on average. Firms like Latham cut a third of their associates if you total up everyone starting the clock at Bear Stearns and run it through the end of 2009. But you're right in this argument that it was still worse to be a staff attorney.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042680)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: angry disturbing pervert station

except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092252)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:50 AM
Author: insanely creepy magenta sound barrier

For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. Most of the 2007 first year class was essentially a huge doc review team for the entire year leading up to Lehman. It was absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042674)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: Dead library

Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associates to do the work of more senior associates they fired/forced out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023816)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Hairraiser Startled Institution

congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022475)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: Unholy Pearly Location

And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I've been out of work for over a year and this is the first thing I"ve landed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022485)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: onyx magical field knife

what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022541)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring wild mad cow disease internal respiration

ya broski, jump on this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023691)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: Useless sadistic hospital

If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associate for a year I really don't think you can afford to be picky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023725)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

How did you get this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024343)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 12:20 AM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency

tcq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042194)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: sienna milk

i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular associates. they just make them do the mind numbing work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022668)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: Useless sadistic hospital

Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't work as hard as regular associates. They do however get all the shit jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023714)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:21 PM
Author: Henna church building

do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type credentials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023740)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: Thriller Vermilion Area Dysfunction

GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023820)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:38 PM
Author: mind-boggling market

You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17030988)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:39 PM
Author: wonderful cuckold

I would guess it depends on the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031001)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: mind-boggling market

I am sure it's universal.

What incentive to they have NOT to work you like a damn dog? At least in boom times for associates if they work you TOO hard they will lateral.

Staff attorneys don't have that option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031013)



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Date: January 12th, 2011 10:39 PM
Author: Slimy Den

seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. what do you bring to an employer later when you get laid off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17041216)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 4:08 PM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency

how did you get this job, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17046322)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 11:58 PM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050365)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 2:04 PM
Author: mind-boggling market

Lol, desperate faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17053687)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:41 PM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency

uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more desperate than you taking a non-legal job with a nonprofit? like you, i'm just doing what i can to get by.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079665)



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Date: January 18th, 2011 10:06 AM
Author: mind-boggling market

The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job imo.

You continuing to bump this thread reeks of desperation though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17082271)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:25 PM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency

and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in how this particular dood got this particular job because his school/grades seem to be similar to my own. i also thought some others might be able to weigh in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092180)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE who would be biglaw pre-ITE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092217)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079697)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:43 PM
Author: Henna church building

id do anything for this type of job but they would never consider me for it :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079692)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Misanthropic Disrespectful Step-uncle's House National Security Agency

why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079696)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Henna church building

TT median

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079710)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:27 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2007.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092200)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

2006-2007 was another world, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092254)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:35 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw in spite of having for shit below median grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092258)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:37 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even raise you one "terrible personality".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092283)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:38 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

*below median

there, fixed that for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092292)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:41 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but argue about my 1L grades back in the middle part of the last decade. And no, it was median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092328)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:42 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

post your grades course by course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092332)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:44 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092359)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:45 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively inflated median of around 3.4 or above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092369)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:49 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ranges for grades).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092404)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:51 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a full tenth.

http://i.imgur.com/9a0T1.gif

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092421)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:52 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media.photobucket.com/image/oh%20u%20mad/rastabori/Stlying.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092432)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:53 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

lol @ not even being able to click "view image." you got biglaw with below median, so good job. you will never get back 2 biglaw, so killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092447)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:58 PM
Author: Talented bearded organic girlfriend gunner

Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't get to actually see your face when I get back in the game. But don't worry, I know you'll be mad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092483)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: violet kitty cat queen of the night

I'd kill for this job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092211)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: aquamarine nursing home

what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get you a staff atty job at his biglaw firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092219)