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So, got an offer for BIGLAW Staff Attorney

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay. ...
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
are you the poster who waited five months to here back after...
canary geriatric becky
  01/10/11
No
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
what kinda hourly u looking at
Opaque Lascivious Abode
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know t...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
define your future role
talented friendly grandma headpube
  01/10/11
Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
these pay like 90k-ish?
talented friendly grandma headpube
  01/10/11
lol
Opaque Lascivious Abode
  01/10/11
i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last ...
boyish travel guidebook marketing idea
  01/10/11
Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than t...
drab shaky whorehouse
  01/10/11
I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star"...
Adventurous green box office
  01/19/11
You are right at the range, yes.
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?
Opaque Lascivious Abode
  01/10/11
Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $1...
Opaque Lascivious Abode
  01/10/11
MFE
impressive indian lodge nibblets
  01/10/11
yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to st...
Coral glittery hospital puppy
  01/10/11
shut the fuck up dickfaggot.
Mind-boggling theatre
  01/10/11
this thread is depressing
stimulating point
  01/10/11
Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate a...
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.
stimulating point
  01/10/11
Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys th...
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
sounds horrible.
stimulating point
  01/10/11
And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
Who says we are hiring?
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
Everyone.
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
Very weird trolling.
Nudist dopamine
  01/10/11
I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfe...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
LOL
Opaque Lascivious Abode
  01/10/11
it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot ...
Swollen nowag
  01/13/11
im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do ...
histrionic massive den
  01/10/11
Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just comm...
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
Yes?
stimulating point
  01/10/11
I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a p...
histrionic massive den
  01/10/11
Those are contract attorneys.
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some sala...
Brass hideous resort
  01/14/11
no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF goo...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you ar...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this in...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
except for everything.
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?
impressive indian lodge nibblets
  01/10/11
PSA - not all lawyers are litigators. And - that's simply...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or ...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LE...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
lmao. You = delusional.
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
You = liar I possess facts.
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a d...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates"...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is t...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response i...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to cou...
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  01/10/11
"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are...
Brass hideous resort
  01/14/11
lol
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  01/10/11
This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW. Seems like a great opp...
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attor...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
Awesome.
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to m...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy g...
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degre...
Coral glittery hospital puppy
  01/10/11
bingo.
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of thei...
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates t...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
Please do.
stubborn bronze property
  01/10/11
McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year a...
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  01/13/11
Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal ass...
Mint Marvelous Station
  01/10/11
You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instea...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms conv...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - ...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you we...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
No way.
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basic...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and...
mahogany laser beams
  01/10/11
Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, pu...
Exciting light lay
  01/13/11
except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.
irradiated poppy goyim factory reset button
  01/19/11
For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. M...
Exciting light lay
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Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associ...
drab shaky whorehouse
  01/10/11
congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!
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  01/10/11
And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I...
Jet reading party hunting ground
  01/10/11
what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?...
aphrodisiac slate cruise ship
  01/10/11
ya broski, jump on this shit
talented friendly grandma headpube
  01/10/11
If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associ...
Wonderful round eye
  01/10/11
How did you get this?
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/10/11
tcq
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/13/11
i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular as...
Curious French Space Wagecucks
  01/10/11
Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't wo...
Wonderful round eye
  01/10/11
do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type cre...
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  01/10/11
GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007
impressive indian lodge nibblets
  01/10/11
You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associ...
pink ungodly death wish
  01/11/11
I would guess it depends on the firm
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  01/11/11
I am sure it's universal. What incentive to they have NOT...
pink ungodly death wish
  01/11/11
seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. ...
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  01/12/11
how did you get this job, brother?
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/13/11
...
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/13/11
Lol, desperate faggot
pink ungodly death wish
  01/14/11
uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more de...
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/17/11
The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job im...
pink ungodly death wish
  01/18/11
and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in...
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/19/11
Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE wh...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
stfu
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/17/11
id do anything for this type of job but they would never con...
electric public bath
  01/17/11
why not?
Citrine Forum Cuck
  01/17/11
TT median
electric public bath
  01/17/11
that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2...
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
2006-2007 was another world, brother.
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw...
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even ra...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
*below median there, fixed that for you.
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but a...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
post your grades course by course.
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively i...
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ran...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a ...
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
lol @ not even being able to click "view image." y...
Cerebral Turquoise Psychic
  01/19/11
Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't ge...
Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency
  01/19/11
I'd kill for this job
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  01/19/11
what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get ...
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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:29 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay.

Is this normal? I thought staff attorneys usually were non-exempt and entitled to OT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021907)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:31 PM
Author: canary geriatric becky

are you the poster who waited five months to here back after interview

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021938)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:33 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021959)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:49 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022147)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: Opaque Lascivious Abode

what kinda hourly u looking at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021982)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know to have them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022396)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: talented friendly grandma headpube

define your future role

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021988)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:35 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021997)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:40 PM
Author: talented friendly grandma headpube

these pay like 90k-ish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022053)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:42 PM
Author: Opaque Lascivious Abode

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022069)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:43 PM
Author: boyish travel guidebook marketing idea

i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last year with bonus and i would kill for that job if it had any security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022078)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: drab shaky whorehouse

Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than they would a Thai whore. At least they might have a future use for the whore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023786)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:40 PM
Author: Adventurous green box office

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star" anything be so desperate for a job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092309)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:48 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

You are right at the range, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022137)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: Opaque Lascivious Abode

That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022153)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:51 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022158)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: Opaque Lascivious Abode

The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $12-18/hr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022169)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:22 PM
Author: impressive indian lodge nibblets

MFE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023755)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 9:57 PM
Author: Coral glittery hospital puppy

yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to start, don't know if that figure goes up after years put in, also don't know what the hours required are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023546)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:28 PM
Author: Mind-boggling theatre

shut the fuck up dickfaggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024353)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: stimulating point

this thread is depressing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022055)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate at a V50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022151)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: stimulating point

it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022164)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys that were senior assocaites that had kids and then came back as staff attorneys. They are well liked/respected and work the hours they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022172)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:54 PM
Author: stimulating point

sounds horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022179)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022182)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:56 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

Who says we are hiring?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022191)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:11 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

Everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022298)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:12 PM
Author: Nudist dopamine

Very weird trolling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022308)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:19 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfectly respectable firm which has weathered the storm as well as any other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022363)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: Opaque Lascivious Abode

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022183)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 3:09 AM
Author: Swollen nowag

it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot more than doc review. they are basically just people who work less hours and get paid less, but do similar shit as associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042921)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: histrionic massive den

im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022163)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:17 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just commenting on the fucking threat title? Anyone have any answers for my question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022355)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:21 PM
Author: stimulating point

Yes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022379)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: histrionic massive den

I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a peak out a window once a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022394)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:24 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

Those are contract attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022406)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:22 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and exempt at every firm I know that has them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022388)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:03 AM
Author: Brass hideous resort

The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some salaried employees (salaried non-exempt) get overtime.

Lawyers are salaried professionals who are exempt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050426)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have very reasonable billable requirements and opportunity to earn a bonus above the billables. So it's not a bad deal all-in-all if you want a balanced life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022400)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:25 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF good is a balanced life if you are permanently useless?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022419)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:26 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo dream.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022436)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:28 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you are unemployable. Its only any okay option for moms who really dont give a shit about their careers. When I see males taking these jobs I cringe. These kids really would be better off in shitlaw, taking home 60k, but learning how to do actual litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022468)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this interwebs - please don't contribute. Nothing in your post is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022482)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

except for everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022493)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: impressive indian lodge nibblets

SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023787)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

PSA - not all lawyers are litigators.

And - that's simply not true that staff attorneys can't litigate or participate at any level of legal work. They will be used to the extent of their abilities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022459)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022481)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:32 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LEAST as many transactional attorneys as litigators - most have many more transactional attorneys than litigators.

And staff attorneys are given assignments they are capable of handling including depositions and going to court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022501)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

lmao. You = delusional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022510)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:34 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

You = liar

I possess facts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022528)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a depo against a staff attorney. Aside from them showing up for retarded scheduling conferences I've never even seen a staff attorney in court. You are full of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022576)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates" and to the outside world they are associates and "staff attorney" is an internal record keeping matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022598)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:41 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is totally non-responsive to my comment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022618)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:44 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response is you would never necessarily know whether the attorney working opposite of you is an "associate" or a "staff attorney" based on the title on their business card, the cut of their suit, the type of briefcase that they care or the make of their tie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022660)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless."

This reads like an LSAT question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024334)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:05 AM
Author: Brass hideous resort

"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills."

Court appearances and depositions are a pretty small portion of litigation. Motion practice massively swamps both. Of course, I'm talking about nonshitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050450)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: Hairraiser gay really tough guy meetinghouse

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022484)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW.

Seems like a great opportunity for a firm to hire a desperate attorney, pay them 1/2 a 1st year associate, and have them work 80 hours a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022453)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attorneys. One comes in every day at 8 and leaves at 5 - the other keeps more flexible hours, but bills 35 or so a week.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022469)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

Awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022479)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to most firms so they are the first to be cut. During ITE many firms fired all their staff attorneys or a much higher percentage than associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022483)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy goes sour.

But I'm hoping I can at least stick it out 2-3 years and pay down some loans and just get the hell out of law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022494)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: Coral glittery hospital puppy

wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degree?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023687)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

bingo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022495)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to staff attorneys and kept their staff attorneys because they could bill them at a lower rate when clients were screaming about bills. Staff attorneys are probably more recession proof.

Also, there is not up or out for staff attorneys. If you continue to be profitable to the firm they'll keep you around forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022521)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of their staff attorneys. Practically ZERO firms went around demoting associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022545)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022560)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: stubborn bronze property

Please do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022579)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 9:36 PM
Author: Pearly beady-eyed bbw messiness

McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year associate offers to staff attorney offers back in '09.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17049056)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:42 PM
Author: Mint Marvelous Station

Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal assistants" doesn't mean it's an industry-wide practice. Firms that don't advertise on the condom dispensers at truck stops have staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022638)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:46 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instead of listening to someone who knows better. That's fine. I'm done fighting you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022678)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms converted associates to staff attorney, but most fired many staff attorneys. Read the ATL articles from that time period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022556)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:37 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - but the idea that somehow you were safe as an associate and definitely fired as a staff attorney is laughably untrue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022572)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you were much better off as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022591)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:40 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

No way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022606)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:43 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basically put underused juniors on doc review/dd and fired staff attorneys and cut their use of contract attorneys to avoid firing a large swath of associates. Except Latham of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022645)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022666)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:48 PM
Author: mahogany laser beams

No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and a lot of good firms at most ramped up forcing people out and did not can a lot of people. A number of firms fired 100 percent of staff attorneys. How do you like dem apples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022699)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:53 AM
Author: Exciting light lay

Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, push outs, long runways for departures for seniors, etc. it was probably upwards of 20% for the v100 on average. Firms like Latham cut a third of their associates if you total up everyone starting the clock at Bear Stearns and run it through the end of 2009. But you're right in this argument that it was still worse to be a staff attorney.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042680)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: irradiated poppy goyim factory reset button

except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092252)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:50 AM
Author: Exciting light lay

For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. Most of the 2007 first year class was essentially a huge doc review team for the entire year leading up to Lehman. It was absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042674)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: drab shaky whorehouse

Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associates to do the work of more senior associates they fired/forced out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023816)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Scarlet Trailer Park Foreskin

congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022475)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: Jet reading party hunting ground

And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I've been out of work for over a year and this is the first thing I"ve landed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022485)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: aphrodisiac slate cruise ship

what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022541)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: talented friendly grandma headpube

ya broski, jump on this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023691)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: Wonderful round eye

If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associate for a year I really don't think you can afford to be picky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023725)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

How did you get this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024343)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 12:20 AM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck

tcq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042194)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: Curious French Space Wagecucks

i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular associates. they just make them do the mind numbing work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022668)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: Wonderful round eye

Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't work as hard as regular associates. They do however get all the shit jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023714)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:21 PM
Author: electric public bath

do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type credentials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023740)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: impressive indian lodge nibblets

GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023820)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:38 PM
Author: pink ungodly death wish

You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17030988)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring tanning salon mediation

I would guess it depends on the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031001)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: pink ungodly death wish

I am sure it's universal.

What incentive to they have NOT to work you like a damn dog? At least in boom times for associates if they work you TOO hard they will lateral.

Staff attorneys don't have that option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031013)



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Date: January 12th, 2011 10:39 PM
Author: Submissive titillating tattoo theater stage

seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. what do you bring to an employer later when you get laid off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17041216)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 4:08 PM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck

how did you get this job, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17046322)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 11:58 PM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050365)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 2:04 PM
Author: pink ungodly death wish

Lol, desperate faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17053687)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:41 PM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck

uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more desperate than you taking a non-legal job with a nonprofit? like you, i'm just doing what i can to get by.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079665)



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Date: January 18th, 2011 10:06 AM
Author: pink ungodly death wish

The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job imo.

You continuing to bump this thread reeks of desperation though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17082271)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:25 PM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck

and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in how this particular dood got this particular job because his school/grades seem to be similar to my own. i also thought some others might be able to weigh in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092180)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE who would be biglaw pre-ITE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092217)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079697)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:43 PM
Author: electric public bath

id do anything for this type of job but they would never consider me for it :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079692)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Citrine Forum Cuck

why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079696)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: electric public bath

TT median

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079710)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:27 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2007.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092200)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

2006-2007 was another world, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092254)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:35 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw in spite of having for shit below median grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092258)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:37 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even raise you one "terrible personality".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092283)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:38 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

*below median

there, fixed that for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092292)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:41 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but argue about my 1L grades back in the middle part of the last decade. And no, it was median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092328)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:42 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

post your grades course by course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092332)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:44 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092359)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:45 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively inflated median of around 3.4 or above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092369)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:49 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ranges for grades).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092404)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:51 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a full tenth.

http://i.imgur.com/9a0T1.gif

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092421)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:52 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media.photobucket.com/image/oh%20u%20mad/rastabori/Stlying.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092432)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:53 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

lol @ not even being able to click "view image." you got biglaw with below median, so good job. you will never get back 2 biglaw, so killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092447)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:58 PM
Author: Onyx bat shit crazy sanctuary national security agency

Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't get to actually see your face when I get back in the game. But don't worry, I know you'll be mad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092483)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: bistre overrated chapel

I'd kill for this job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092211)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: Cerebral Turquoise Psychic

what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get you a staff atty job at his biglaw firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092219)