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ITT: list your concrete proposals to unfuck America
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Date: July 12th, 2011 9:44 PM Author: fighting rose den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489532) |
Date: July 12th, 2011 9:48 PM Author: fighting rose den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489586) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:03 PM Author: Aphrodisiac balding shitlib Not sure that there are any prudent actions that can be taken to quickly revive the economy. But in the long term we need a substantial overhaul to the tax system, entitlement programs, and student loan financing methods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489803) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:09 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall only for subsequent debts, fucker. you aren't getting off paying your bills while i spent accumulated capital to pay for my education.
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:12 PM Author: Aphrodisiac balding shitlib It's fairly unlikely that I would default on my loans, but I think dischargability makes a great deal of sense, particularly if properly coupled with other reforms to student loan financing that close the spigots. But that's just one piece in a very large puzzle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489922) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:14 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall dischargeability should only be available to educational debts that went to procure a professional/occupational license, and discharge should be met with a lifetime ban from ever practicing under that occupation/profession anywhere in the country.
and, again, only going forward. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:04 PM Author: 180 Trump Supporter re-institute decimation, selectively (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489811) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:16 PM Author: brindle heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18489973) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 8:57 PM Author: curious hateful indian lodge skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498535) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:12 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall The best things we can do, in this order:
1. Have a massive, I'm talking massive, increase in the number of medical schools open and training doctors. This is the single most cost effective and politically feasible thing that can be done to fix healthcare in this country.
2. Increase taxes to redistribute the hoarded wealth that is choking off economic growth and help balance our budget
3. Stop trading with dirt poor countries. Set up super regional trading blocs where we only trade G&Ses with countries where labor rates are roughly similar.
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:29 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed 1. If you really want to fix the doctor shortage/costs, get rid of the AMA. Having a gov't mandated monopoly on taking care of people (there are some minor exceptions i.e. nurse practioners) is what causes us to pay out the nose (there is also the health insurance moral hazard issue that has been propagated by the gov't).
2. "the hoarded wealth" Where exactly do you think the wealthy hoard their assets? Or could it be that the vast majority is not kept under their pillows but is instead INVESTED already creating the much needed capital infastructure which improves productivity which allows for growth.
3. If you stop trading with poor countries, all you are going to accomplish is to raise costs (and thus lower standard of living). I honestly cannot believe that there are people still out there that think that protectionism is a valid strategy. Even in circumstances where you think the other nation is being "abusive" by keeping its currency down (or other means) you are still better of trading with them rather than shutting the border. See Smoot Hawley Act, or better yet learn from the history of mercantilism. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:35 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall 2. What capital infrastructure is being invested in today *in this country*. Why would rich people invest in a society where there is an inability to afford the stuff you're selling. Yeah, it's not and they won't. Corporations are sitting on ass tons of excess capital right now - it's not being reinvested here. Go take your Econ 101 bullshit elsewhere.
3. Go ask the middle class families whose real wages have declined for 30 odd years if they think their standard of living is greater today than yesterday. Yeah, standard of living increases for rich fucks who can buy shit real cheap. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:48 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed 2. I suggest you look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_direct_investment
The US has both a net POSITIVE FDI and is actually the largest. So again, I am not sure where you are getting your "it's not being reinvested here". If that was truely the case, and corps where moving more and more towards FDI Outflows, why has net FDI not shrunk (or become negative) infact it has GROWN. Now the data only goes up to 07 but that should be sufficient to dispel your notion.
3. "whose real wages have declined for 30 odd years " Sorry, your flame has jumped the boat. Even if in inflation adjusted dollars the median wage has stagnated, you are not taking into account WHAT that flat wage can buy now vs 30 years ago. Lets keep this simple, I give you $10,000 in 2011 dollars and $10,000 in 1980 dollars (so it will be probably be around $4,000 inflation adjusted). You can decide to spend that money in either the shopping malls of the 1980s or 2011. Which do you pick? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:55 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall wow. the world's largest economy is also the largest source of investment. color me fucking impressed.
um, pretty sure i'm going to be able to buy more shit in the 80s, bro. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:01 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed "wow. the world's largest economy is also the largest source of investment. color me fucking impressed. "
This is NET. That means since we are the largest and wealthiest nation should it not follow that it also works against us when it comes to having a higher outflow of FDI. So long as the law of large numbers comes into play, size is really not going to be a large variable. Freedom, transperency, the legal system, education of workforce etc. are all FAR more important.
"um, pretty sure i'm going to be able to buy more shit in the 80s, bro. "
Says the guy typing on a computer conntected to the internet. Will step into a car that has 1/5 the chance of killing him upon crash due to much improved safety features. Will go out and buy Organic spinach next time he is grocery shopping. Will co-ordinate his next date via text message on his cellphone that wieghs 1lb....
You have to begin to think not about just the inflation adjusted dollar value, but WHAT you can buy with that. does $10,000 do you alot of good in the desert? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:06 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall so you paper over relative decline in social equality and wealth levels by looking to technology. nice. keeps the proles happy, i suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490767) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:13 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Ultimately ALL our quantifiable increases in standards of living are a result of technology. Equality in the context you seem to be using it is a dangerous and missleading construct. Would you rather live (holding all else equal, i.e. prices) where the top 10% made 5x as much as the bottom 10% (who make lets say, $100/week) OR where the top 10% make 10x as much as the bottom 10% who now instead make $300/week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490867) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:17 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall of course, this isn't what we're facing.
it's more like the top 10% make 100x as much as the bottom 90%
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:21 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Ok, but would you rather have that or we lower the inequality down to 50xs but the bottom 10% takes a 50% hit on their real standard of living? The point is that equality in the context you are discussing is really very misleading and policies should avoid using it as anything more than a tertiary indicator of the effectivness of a given policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491013) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:13 PM Author: Aromatic property fat ankles I'm pretty sure that while wages have stagnated and even declined slightly, total COMPENSATION has actually increased ahead of inflation.
Your hoarded wealth theory is fucking retarded. And we get the better end of the deal trading with poor countries bro.
Massive increase in medical schools, however, is a fantastic idea. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:16 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Agreed. I accepted his premise re: wages because I have seen soo many conflicting reports on this that I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490927) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:24 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall total compensation is only increasing because of... the medical insurance benefit.
do you think that 50% of people having almost 0 or negative net wealth is a good thing for society? at some point, when wealth concentrates too narrowly, not enough people can afford to buy your shit, which hurts everything. of course, since corporations are content to get their earnings from abroad now a days...
and no, "we" do not. some people in this country do, yes. jfc. do you really think we'd face economic implosion if TVs we're manufactured for 8 bucks an hour instead of .25? especially if we had a proper tax policy for corporations that encouraged the companies to pay out earnings in the form of worker wages and/or company reinvestment instead of the trough feeding for executives and shareholders? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:33 PM Author: Aromatic property fat ankles "total compensation is only increasing because of... the medical insurance benefit."
--OK, so you were kind of talking out of your ass. Anyway, what's wrong with that? People are getting that benefit, it's a real benefit, but slippery motherfuckers like you keep trotting out that misleading falling wages stat like it proves something.
"do you think that 50% of people having almost 0 or negative net wealth is a good thing for society?"
--I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I know it's a bad thing to be in that 50%. Has it ever been significantly different, anywhere? I think you're talking out your ass again about the shirt and I'm not sure what your point is.
"and no, "we" do not. some people in this country do, yes."
--Everyone benefits from lower prices. If we stop using that cheap labor, some other country will take advantage of it to our detriment.
What tax policy do you suggest? US companies have only really been hoarding cash for a couple years. You can debate the wisdom of that move, but it's not a surprising development considering economic and political conditions. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:36 PM Author: Jade sex offender "Or could it be that the vast majority is not kept under their pillows but is instead INVESTED already creating the much needed capital infastructure which improves productivity which allows for growth. "
no, that doesn't appear to be the case. a wealthy american dude stashing a bit more cash in his monaco account really doesn't help america grow. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:49 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_direct_investment
These are the wealthy people of the world at work. America is a beneficiary of FDI. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:54 PM Author: Jade sex offender so where are the mother-fucking JOBS MOTHERFUCKER??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490580) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:04 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Unfourtunately, when you have a gov't monopoly on currency creation and heavy gov't influence on many aspects of the economy (i.e. housing) you are going to get tremendous volatility in the market because it is in the politicans best interest to artificially create as many and as big booms as possible for re-election purposes. We are in the clean-up phase of a decade + long sham boom orchestrated by the gov't. It won't clear up in minutes. Nor will MORE gov't interference help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490728) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:08 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good trailer park toilet seat how can you keep posting on this website after being pwned so many times? (note this has nothing to do with your posts in this thread, per se). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490793) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:14 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed I'm not sure what you mean? The only time where I can conceivably see when people "pwn" me is when they ascribe repub or conservative agenda or ideas or policy decisions as though I support them. I am not a conservative and should therefore not be held accountable for their idiocy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490898) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:15 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good trailer park toilet seat i have seem you pwned tons of times. bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490906) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:03 PM Author: at-the-ready razzmatazz school cafeteria Are you one if these niggers who thinks the AMA licenses doctors, or that you have to graduate from an AMA accredited school to get licensed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490715) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:09 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed http://mises.org/daily/1547
If you are interested in what the AMA can and has done. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:34 PM Author: outnumbered amber round eye Any article about medical education is flame without mentioning the AOA/osteopathic schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491188) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:19 PM Author: brindle heaven Not saying this would unfuck America, but make medicine and law bachelor's degrees like they are in many other countries. Why dick around in school for 7-8 years getting bio/poli-sci degrees? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490029) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:21 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall that won't change the supply numbers of the profession. you need to seriously open the fucking floodgates.
I'm looking at you AMA. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:30 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed beat me to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490167) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:44 PM Author: brindle heaven Oh I know, I just think it's a waste of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490393) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:20 PM Author: Multi-colored dark theater tattoo http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702061&mc=2&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490037) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:34 PM Author: Garnet floppy nursing home close boarders, deport illegals, drug test for welfare/cut off welfare, only allow people who can raise kids to have them, no more food stamps, shit jobs for poors. Fuck IDK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490221) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:34 PM Author: naked sienna church building mediation 90% estate tax on >3mil net worth free abortions medicare STOPS at age 80; anything beyond that has to be paid out of pocket (maybe then people will actually start dying with dignity again) state seizure of all colleges/unis; 3/4 immediately shut down and half of those turned into trade schools |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:37 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall #3 is a good one, I was going to edit my list to include that. It doesn't even need to be paid for out of pocket. I'm sure insurers would *love* to fucking sell insurance policies to you when you're 65 that provide medical coverage if you can make it to 80-85 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490283) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:39 PM Author: Garnet floppy nursing home shut down all degrees that are complete shit and will never make cash? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490327) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:43 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall this is how you become a myopic, boring, un-innovative society.
arts and humanities have their place. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:44 PM Author: Garnet floppy nursing home not for a while they don't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490395) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:45 PM Author: brindle heaven think he was talking about the "-studies" degrees and other SPS that isn't part of the arts, sciences, humanities, engineering, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490422) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:57 PM Author: Garnet floppy nursing home pretty much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490617) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:56 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed "90% estate tax on >3mil net worth"
The estate tax has always been an appealing target. The argument that most use it that it would not have as much of the negative impact that other taxes do; i.e. that there would be little discouragement to produce since the tax hits after you are dead. The major fallacy of this argument is that in America we are VERY family oriented. You see many entreprenuers continue to spend frugally and work their asses off, even after making it big, so that they can give their kids the best possible chance in life. You remove that incentive with a 90% estate tax. Infact what you do is encourage free-living at the end of that persons life. Take a 80 year old factory owner. With this estate tax, he is no longer motivated to leave his factory to his kids (they wont get it). So what does he do? He sells it to someone who is going to most probably be less competent than he was at running the thing, and spends his money on frivolous shit. We all lose when this happens. See this @ 1:56: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRpEV2tmYz4&feature=related
"state seizure of all colleges/unis; 3/4 immediately shut down and half of those turned into trade schools"
State subsidization of loans so retards could get BAs at TTTs is what caused this problem in the first place. Your natural response is to have MORE gov't? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:15 PM Author: underhanded mildly autistic crackhouse You're part right, but a higher estate tax on money above 5 million or so would still be a good thing. No matter how you slice it, astate tax is less problematic than other taxes up to a very high point, and we are not at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490912) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:19 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Maybe estate tax is a bit better (I think consumption tax is much better, but I will agree with you for the purposes of discussion). Why does somehow identifying that tax strategy X is less damaging mean that we should therefore ignored or avoid looking to cut spending and should instead further propogate the theft of property that is taxation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490976) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:20 PM Author: brindle heaven He should sell the factory. The guy who pays millions for it will value it more and run it better than his son will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491000) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:28 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Lets run through a simplified scenerio:
You have a Purchaser and Entreprenuer.
P has $1M and E has a factory creating $100K of value/utility per year. P can purchase a piece of unused land and build a factory for his $1M that produces $90K of utlity. Or, he can (if they reach a deal) purchase the factory for $1M from E.
Now lets look at the two options
With Estate tax (that is material):
E no longer sees the value in keeping his factory for his son. He therefore sells it to P for $1M. E then spends the $1M on non-productive purchases (i.e. consumption which is effectively wealth destruction). Our situation produces an output of $100K utility per year and the qualitative happyness of the consumption by E.
Without estate tax:
E does not sell and P is forced to buy the land and build his own building. Total utility produced for the rest of the society is now $190K/year
Do you see the difference? They key is the consumption. Now consumption is not unequivocally bad, the entire point of investment is in the hopes of increasing ones (or ones family's future consumption). The problem is that consumption is effectively the destruction of accumulated wealth. Why would you want a taxation mechanism that actively encourages this to such a large extent? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:40 PM Author: fiercely-loyal institution internal respiration everyone over 21 is given 1 point they can award toward any other person's death sentence. once you use ur point it's gone. once a person's tally reaches 8 they are executed immediately. maybe it will make people nicer? anyway just a thought! also maybe celebrities and judges and shit should be immune. hth kthxbye!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490336) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:06 PM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Reminds me of the Athenian banishment system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490764) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:42 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen -allow the southeast states (east of texas, below north carolina) to secede. ruthlessly enforce borders to keep them out of the new US. this will slash healthcare and welfare costs.
-pay all ghetto blacks and remaining white trash to move to reservation-like plots of land situated in barren areas of the great plains. they will be provided with controlled model towns featuring walmarts, pawn shops, churches, etc, but they can't leave the reservation without government permission.
-get rid of 65% of undergrad colleges, start hundreds of well-funded vocational schools. remodel education system to start funneling people into vocational school at early ages if they can't pass certain academic benchmarks.
-imprison people for becoming obese sans glandular or medical problems. they have to weigh in once a year, term of imprisonment and hard labor is related to amount of obesity. in some cases they are kept in prison until they achieve a normal weight.
-deny entitlements to all boomers who have tax records that demonstrate they are capable of living off other retirement investments and pensions
-reduce drug penalties to minimal charges and large fines, but heavily increase jail time for violent and gun-related crime.
-if a woman can prove her income is below a certain level, government pays her to get an abortion, cash money on the spot. limited to one a year so they don't just turn their wombs into cash machines.
-government pays a high bounty for unregistered/unlicensed/illegal firearms, disposes of them once they're turned in
-currently incarcerated non-violent drug offenders can get their sentences reduced or removed by performing a commensurate amount of military service and completing job training. any fuckups and they go back to jail and start over
that should start to get us straightened out pretty quickly |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:43 PM Author: Garnet floppy nursing home 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490387) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:46 PM Author: offensive comical personal credit line hall oh, there's #5.
completely legalize all illegal drug use, but if you are caught/convicted committing any property or personal crime, you are subject to 5 years minimum incarceration. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:47 PM Author: brindle heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490444) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:47 PM Author: fighting rose den very concrete, thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490458) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:47 PM Author: naked sienna church building mediation all good except the firearms bounty *is mexican cartel bro* *exports cheap illegal firearms to beaner buddies across the border* *buddies turn in firearms* *PROFIT* |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:05 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen probably not as much profit as using them to enforce your brutal drug cartel's cocaine distribution network (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490755) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:51 PM Author: Multi-colored dark theater tattoo "-pay all ghetto blacks and remaining white trash to move to reservation-like plots of land situated in barren areas of the great plains. they will be provided with controlled model towns featuring walmarts, pawn shops, churches, etc, but they can't leave the reservation without government permission."
I'd really like to see how something like this would play out; has it ever been tried? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:04 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen the idea is to just call the permanent underclass what it is rather than pretend social mobility exists on any wide scale, then let things play out naturally. we will fully subsidize them and let them just have at it. all services will be provided by private contractors with government oversight - should be a good source of job creation in the private sector. services will be minimal but enough to keep them civilized. eventually the true filth will just deteriorate into barbarism and the normal humans with potential will be identified and allowed to filter out to the vocational schools or colleges, if they show real initiative.
at the cost of letting the poors and nigs savage each other for a few decades, we will have removed the worst human detritus from society and saved a trillion on taking care of them through police, prison, medical treatment and public health programs, addiction programs, and basic social welfare. society will be much stronger and our underclass will have been scrubbed of a lot of the worst degenerate filth. the crumbling reservations will be the world's greatest source of new social science and anthropological research. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:14 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good trailer park toilet seat i know you're just messing around, but you could never pay people to do this, or get the government to enforce in the ways that would be necessary. i assume the op wants feasible suggestions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490899) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:32 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen you could get the real trash in there without too much trouble. provide them with mcmansions, dirt bike tracks, promises of no work and minimal law enforcement, and you'll get takers. poors already self-select into trailer parks and ghettos where they live off government handouts and preying on each other; this is just an organized way of conducting an organic social process.
we can get around the constitutional and enforcement issues in a number of ways. make the reservations non-US sites like the indian reservations, monkey around with statutes so a number of reservations activities are crimes if they leave the res, containing them there for fear of prison, make a breach of their res contract result in forced military service with the option to return to the res so we can keep track of them, etc.
law enforcement inside the res will be minimal and brutal, encouraging the communities to be self-policing. trained mercenaries will intervene in cases where gangs are becoming too predatory on the people who just want to get wasted and eat until they explode. the security forces will be able to quickly and brutally deal with any behavior that's too seriously predatory - a few disappearances and massacres carried out in secret should create a "foggy cliff" effect for violent behavior.
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:23 AM Author: impertinent messiness " we can get around the constitutional and enforcement issues in a number of ways. make the reservations non-US sites like the indian reservations, monkey around with statutes so a number of reservations activities are crimes if they leave the res, containing them there for fear of prison, make a breach of their res contract result in forced military service with the option to return to the res so we can keep track of them, etc."
Ahh yes, I can see how this would solve the constitutional issue. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 8:48 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen how wouldn't it? we already use non-US sites for shit that would be clearly illegal on US soil, so we'll do the same with the reservations. in addition, when they sign up for this, it will be a contractual obligation along the lines of joining the military. if you go AWOL from the military, a special code of justice and separate bureaucracy is applied to you - the reservations will be exactly the same. no constitutional rights will be abridged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498457) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:16 PM Author: Multi-colored dark theater tattoo I assume you'd want sterilization as a pre-req, no?
How about if they can get through some sort of no-bullshit schooling in there, they can get out if they want? |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:37 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen no forced sterilization, but they get increased benefits/privileges for it. people will become unhappy without children and families, so you can't take it away entirely - this has to maintain a veneer of civilization for a while. they can also take advantage of the abortion payments available to normal citizens, but this will obviously have less efficacy since the poors won't value quick cash payments as much on the reservations.
education and training will be available, but it's up to individual families and social groups to make it a priority. since it's entirely voluntary, anyone who demonstrates ambition and intelligence by attending can be given opportunities on the outside. anything less would be unfair to the kids born on the reservations. i expect literacy would be nearly wiped out in two generations except for small groups who maintain strong ties to religious faith. |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:54 PM Author: naked sienna church building mediation Indian reservations...? (or are you being sarcastic brother?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491474) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:58 AM Author: filthy locus see Americans, Native
Entry for Americans, Native:
see Indians (feather) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 10:30 AM Author: at-the-ready razzmatazz school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493558) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:01 PM Author: Nighttime Water Buffalo Wow this is amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494058) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 8:59 PM Author: citrine startling parlor liquid oxygen i like how a few aspies were compelled to point out the massive failure of indian reservations, as if i hadn't considered this despite repeatedly using the term RESERVATION in my posts. and that they assumed this could be anything other than total flame. sometimes XO can still amaze me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498560) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 10:42 PM Author: Jade sex offender jubilee year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18490369) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:23 PM Author: Aromatic property fat ankles prima nocte (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491059) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:32 PM Author: underhanded mildly autistic crackhouse Basically free market/libertarian-ish solutions to a variety of problems will fix everything as good as it can be fixed. I'm not talking about dogmatic libertard crap. Just market-based reforms and inculcating a culture of individual responsibility on a fundamental level and community and civic responsibility on a higher level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491159) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:47 PM Author: Maroon irate garrison Government's not very good at inculcating culture. The trouble with libertarian policies is that people are far stupider than you think they are. They will not do the logical thing that benefits everyone. They will often do the stupid selfish thing that barely even benefits them, and definitely harms everyone else. People suck. You'll see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18491362) |
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Date: July 12th, 2011 11:42 PM Author: Maroon irate garrison Mandate payment of overtime (1.5 times the regular hourly rate or vacation time) for any business with 5+ employees. No more making employees work 50 hours a week without paying them. If you want to pay the standard rate, hire an extra employee to work the 10 extra hours. This should cut down unemployment but 1-2% right there. It will also keep more skilled workers in the economy.
Also, increase estate tax to help pay off the national debt.
Put inflationary policies into full force.
Invest heavily in R&D.
Raise retirement age to 70. Yes they will keep jobs but we also can't afford to pay them to sit on their ass. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:41 AM Author: Odious Location You're right severe hour restrictions/overtime lead to lower unemployment. That's why France's unemployment rate is so low!
Idiot. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 1:25 AM Author: sepia beta piazza 1. Cap credit card rates at between 10 and 12%
2. Eliminate speculation in oil market, limit to market participants.
Economy is driver by retail spending. Everytime fuel goes up those on fixed income, in excess of 80% of americans, money that would have gone to restaurants, clothing, home imp., etc... goes into the tank to get to work. When it rose too rapidly people had to put it on their credit cards many with interest above 30%. When prices droped, they increased spending but did not pay down debt. Next time oil spikes too high we are poised for a collapse. The collapse of the housing market was also percipitated by the rapid rise in fuel costs. when a person had an adjustable rate mortgage ready to reset and was planning on using the additional funds now going into their tank to absorb the mortgage payment increase, they are left with the choice to keep making the house payment untillthey lose their job, or put the money into their tank to get to work.
The markets will take care of themselves when spending increases, but retirees and public retirement systems cannot base their projections on sustained yeilds between 8 and 15 percent on investments.
The above two steps along with drilling for American oil would turn the economy round within 30 days. Reality is we are headed for a very big tailspin, there are still plenty of mortgages to reset. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 3:26 AM Author: Diverse chapel travel guidebook get rid of the nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18492927) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 3:54 AM Author: Demanding market America is on a sinking ship and that ship is the world. The various countries just occupy different levels.
Unfucking America would require a look at the global economy. The fucking of America is really just a part of the overall re-balancing of the global economy. You didn't think 5% of the world's population could consume 25% of the world's energy forever did you?
As the ship sinks, every country will be scrambling for the lifeboats (ie, necessary, tangible goods like oil and food). As currency debasement spirals out of control (a direct consequence of a debt-based economy in its deaththrows), everyone will be trying to use their increasingly worthless fiat paper to purchase limited resources and land, aka too much money chasing too few goods. Ron Paul will not be able to save the dollar folks. It's too late.
Right now, the major concerns, imo, are fighting threats we don't even realize exist yet, but will arise once a currency crisis hits. Oil and food inflation will be a MAJOR problem in the next 10 years. Forget about unfucking America brothers. We'll be in a full on global crisis worse than the 1930s. Hopefully another World War doesn't break out as a result.
The most important thing we can do is move towards localized food production. If you think I'm completely off base, let's debate.
Edit: btw, as i write this, gold hit a new high @ $1575/oz.
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:07 AM Author: fighting rose den how can i profit from the coming apocalypse? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493694) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:45 PM Author: Demanding market physical gold and silver. stock up on guns and ammo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494373) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:00 AM Author: Trip station idiot partition.
the US west coast, mid north and northeast join canada and form the USNA.
All you conservatards can create your own version of South Africa in the heartland and south. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:04 AM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Makes sense, because ofcourse it was conservative mentality in the 90s that push SA to become the shithole it is today... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493683) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:08 AM Author: outnumbered amber round eye conservative states are a drain on the federal coffers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493698) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:08 AM Author: Trip station idiot enjoy your walled-off enclaves, bullet proofed cars and third world economies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493699) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:06 AM Author: Racy alpha legalize marijuana and tax it at 50%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493692) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:09 AM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed You would be pushing it back into the black/gray market with 50% taxes. You could maybe swing this with heroin and such, were the price premium due to illegality is high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493701) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:14 AM Author: Racy alpha I thought about that too, but I think that if truly mass-grown, legal marijuana with a 50% tax would be cheaper than today's prices. Today, even in places with dispensaries, marijuana is grown by small growers in their basements, or outside in certain areas. I'm imagining cigarette makers startaing huge marijuana farms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493726) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:16 AM Author: fighting rose den are you sure it's not better to spend billions of dollars per year halfheartedly enforcing marijuana prohibition? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493741) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:18 AM Author: Racy alpha hahahah.
seriously though, I honestly think this could work. Imagine all the marijuana tourism... |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:24 AM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed "truly mass-grown, legal marijuana with a 50% tax would be cheaper than today's prices"
It might, I'll agree that the odds are >50% so lets assume your right. I think that while this comparison is useful, it is much less important than the comparison between prices if it were legal +50% tax and prices where it is traded illegally (but within that "free" environment) without the tax. The reason for the change in what you are comparing to is because once you make mj legal in a broad based fashion (provided the tax is paid) you also have the unintended effect of lowering the price of mj in the black and gray markets. Transportation, selling etc. all become less risky. If a police oficer is driving down the street and sees someone selling someone else mj in the open, right now they are going to arrest them. In your scenerio they probably would not even get out of their car to check whether the 50% tax was being applied. You can see how this will depress black market costs (since the risk of arrest falls). |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:40 AM Author: Racy alpha fair point, and maybe 50% is too high. However, I think that mass grown marijuana would be cheaper than home grown marijuana by a significant amount, and there is a lot of potential for tax revenue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493884) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:44 PM Author: Crusty boyish stead deer antler and then you could go to whole foods for and pay 2x markup for locally grown organic weed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494370) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:23 AM Author: Fear-inspiring Brunch schedule public raping and dismemberment of cow goes moo at cowboys stadium. charge $1000 for tickets and $100 for live event broadcast. bam revenue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493762) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:25 AM Author: impertinent messiness How much does it cost to be one of the rapists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493778) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:25 AM Author: Galvanic plaza half-breed Do I get a cut for my estate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493780) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:25 AM Author: saffron deep becky tell China the check is in the mail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18493777) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:38 AM Author: swashbuckling state 1. Default on debt 2. Drill here, drill now 3. ? |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:28 PM Author: soggy antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494244) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:50 AM Author: fishy newt increase marginal tax rate on top 1% by a lot increase estate tax, close loop holes, increase enforcement lower corporate tax and allow for one time return of offshore corp funds to us if spent on asset/infrastructure investment in us. if paid as dividends will be taxed at 25%, gfy simplify tax code
healthcare lower health care costs by requiring patients to have end of life talk, will reduce costs dramatically require all doc offices to publish prices buy all prescription drugs in massive quantities to lower cost
education no fed back loans for non sciences or engineering create recruitment team to recruit the best and brightest from around the world and give them guaranteed residency if they stay for 10 years
increase financial regulation, specifically, must have X amount in capital to leverage Y amount or w/e. don't have details
limit campaign contributions through back door loopholes
invest in infrastructure to create jobs but only at federal level via a commission I create
reduce troop preseence in iraq, reduce troop presence in afghanistan, leave libya, reduce foreign aid to everyone by 25%
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:57 AM Author: Ocher electric candlestick maker step-uncle's house Oust the House of Saud and take over their production in earnest.
Dissolve the Iraqi government, imprison its members, oust foreign oil companies and invest heavily in their oil infrastructure. I.e., do what we should have done a long time ago.
These might be bandaid fixes but at least we'll be getting our money's worth for 66 years worth of pussyfooting around with these desert turds. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 11:58 AM Author: fishy newt invading another muslim country, one that has mecca, sounds like a great idea. we would be better off inventing an alternative energy source or subsidizing one than invading that country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494038) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:03 PM Author: Ocher electric candlestick maker step-uncle's house For $20/bl I think it's well worth the cost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494063) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:07 PM Author: fishy newt (paul wolfowitz) (henry Kissinger) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494088) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:26 PM Author: Ocher electric candlestick maker step-uncle's house (Nicholas Kristof) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18494227) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 9:09 PM Author: curious hateful indian lodge skinny woman TBF, I think we should liberate Mexico first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498663) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 9:05 PM Author: curious hateful indian lodge skinny woman I like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498622) |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 12:36 PM Author: filthy locus tax hike on top marginal rates. estate tax.
recaptured cash tax on corporations as an emergency measure: companies which have net layoffs of employees but turn record quarterly profits get the hammer. alternatively, a rehiring tax break to incentivize employment.
extend in corporations law the duty of loyalty and care to employees rather than focusing on shareholders.
institute another works progress administration to employ underskilled youth and rebuild a lot of necessary infrastructure that hasn't been touched since the 60s or 70s.
force criminological expenditures to be handled solely by public agencies. no privatization of prisons. legalize drugs, institute purity standards, and tax.
student loans: federally backed or direct, 0% interest to the student, and only available at a low-capped amount at schools which cap their tuition at a level drastically below today's clusterfuck. limit major eligibility to fields of study that existed in 1960 plus any advances in STEM (eg bioinformatics). anything with -ist or studies in the title is presumed invalid.
vocational school tracks for dumbs starting at age 16. get rid of sodas and poor quality commercial food items from public k-12 schools. eliminate starchy carbs from school lunches in favor of protein and vegetable-rich diets. yes, this will cost more in the short run. beef up PE and extend recess with an emphasis on active outdoor play. once a year, tie up miriam lazewatsky in the public square and allow schoolkids to throw handfuls of congealed mcdonalds grease at her until she cries. televise it.
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Date: July 13th, 2011 9:01 PM Author: curious hateful indian lodge skinny woman 1. Liberate Mexico 2. Violently ferret out the Wahhabist Ideology. 3. Outlaw SUV, Yachts >30ft, private aircraft beyond 2 seats. 4. Institute Gulags for people able, but unwilling to work 5. Legalize MJ 7. Institute my Distributivist economic system. 8. Fed Gov't ownership of major industries. 9. Strong incentivization of "national artists" 10. Reduce age of consent to 15 11. End SS for those w/resources 12. Poison US meth and crack supply 13. Sterilize repeat violent crime offenders, all female felons, and all females over 40 14. end gov't loan subsidies to colleges 15. Eliminate misdemenors. Have public shamings and whippings. Much cheaper. |
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Date: July 13th, 2011 9:18 PM Author: saffron deep becky chemtrails (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1702023&forum_id=2#18498740) |