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A 180 plan for welfare reform
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Date: August 8th, 2012 4:58 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner 1. Every welfare recipient will be examined by a doctor. Females will be given an IUD, Norplant, Depo-Provera, or some other "foolproof" form of birth control. All piercings will be removed, and tattoos will be documented. Getting additional tats/piercings while receiving benefits = cut off.
2. Homes will be inspected monthly. All flat-screen TV's, cell phones, audio equipment, and Jordan shoes will be confiscated and sold, with the proceeds applied toward the public good. Failure to maintain one's home in good and clean condition = cut off.
3. Every week, recipients will report to the welfare office and show a current pay stub or job application. Failure to show these papers = cut off.
4. Food stamps will be replaced with bulk beans and rice. You want to have Ding-Dongs and Ho-Hos? Use your own money.
5. Recipients will submit to monthly drug tests. If I have to piss in a cup in order to earn my own money, then you better do the same if you want to take my money from me.
Before you ACLU types complain that I'm violating people's "rights," remember that all of the above is voluntary. If you don't want to comply, then you can earn your own money. But if you're going to take MY money, I can at least insist that you be forced to make better choices, so you'll better yourself and not end up in that position again. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:00 PM Author: red theater stage 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290052) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:17 PM Author: orange cerebral house 1. don't know about birth control but i can get behind a ban on tattoos and piercings that are visible when dressed in a professional manner. 2. somewhat agree in principle but not worth the money to administer 3. yes 4. no. this is appalling. 5. yes |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:19 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner How is #4 appalling?
Keep in mind that food stamps are actually called SNAP: Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. There is zero "nutrition" in Twinkies, soda, etc. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:22 PM Author: orange cerebral house people should be allowed to eat more than rice and beans.
there are already limitations on what you can buy with SNAP benefits. unfortunately it includes junk food and soda but it excludes fast food. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:24 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Beans and rice will keep you alive. Might not be too tasty, but you won't starve to death either.
And I'm not saying food assistance recipients must eat only beans and rice. They can have whatever "extras" they want, as long as they pay for them.
Really, I'm being more than fair here. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM Author: demanding wonderful sanctuary (prole who has NEVER been to the caribbean and realized how FUCKING AWESOME rice and beans is - granted, that's allowing spices to be thrown in) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290369) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:07 PM Author: violent arousing native if your goal is not simply to be a dick, what are the specific, measurable goals of this plan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290692) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:30 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner 1. Help people better themselves through personal responsibility
2. Reduce entitlement spending |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:05 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage why punish the kids for the sins of the parents?
a lot of this shit already is in place. the real offenders find workarounds and the ones who get tossed off are the people who are on it temporarily. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:14 AM Author: bespoke sexy corner This does not punish children, it simply teaches them personal responsibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295752) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:11 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage you can't eat personal responsibility. but i suppose some 8 y/o kid is going to wake up and say, "why, my HS dropout mother is unfortunately not following the carefully laid out incentive structure created by the XO poster with one week of econ 101 under his belt. I suppose I shall have to hie to mcdonalds and put in an application."
or wait, maybe there is some other ghetto industry with no qualms about hiring 8 year olds? |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: translucent box office LOL @ kids being punished by their parents being forced to:
- Not spend money on tattoos, tvs, drugs
- actively search for jobs
fucking shitlibs |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:12 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage most welfare programs are already welfare to work and home visits are common. you're not fucking over the people you think you're fucking over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296142) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:39 PM Author: Supple space 2 will not work for obvious reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21297761) |
Date: August 8th, 2012 5:02 PM Author: awkward dilemma coffee pot With all these changes in place, I would fully support welfare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290065) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:46 PM Author: disturbing site I'd like to see a cap on the size/extravagance of homes and cars.
Ford Focus + 2 bedroom/1 Bath Duplex for families of 4 or smaller. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:06 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Perhaps there should be a cap on the value of one's car. Used Ford Focus is fine. A new Escalade is not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290687) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:03 PM Author: glittery office libs would never support this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290072) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:04 PM Author: twisted cobalt whorehouse toaster yea but wat about the forth amendment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290082) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:05 PM Author: cyan nowag national drug testers and home inspectors thrilled ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290092) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:09 PM Author: Submissive chapel CR. This plan would probably cost more than it saves. It's fucking vindictive hateful BS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290134) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:04 PM Author: charcoal wagecucks indian lodge RAPO shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290673) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:47 PM Author: disturbing site Hell yeah, we'd be actually employing some folks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290474) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:07 PM Author: Submissive chapel poverty is a pretty miserable life as is, and you want to take away the dignity that they have left? Welfare is such a tiny portion of the budget and it gets blown out of proportion all the time. It's like thinking cutting NASA and NPR will balance the budget. It's insanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290116) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:08 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner No, I want to GIVE people dignity by forcing them to make better choices. Dignity comes from work and personal responsibility, both of which are sorely lacking in this day and age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290132) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:10 PM Author: Submissive chapel You might get better mileage with welfare to work programs with an educational component (which I am very supportive of), but just telling poor people to tie their shoes and stand up straight doesn't help much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290139) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:12 PM Author: Chartreuse well-lubricated brunch people who say crap like this have never spent time around shitpoors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290154) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:14 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Precisely. Why are poor people poor? Most of the time, it's due to their own bad choices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290174) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:17 PM Author: Chartreuse well-lubricated brunch some are good-hearted and hardworking, and some are lazy assholes, but the common thread among all is that they lack the wherewithal to manage their own lives in a complex modern society. more paternalism would do them good, particularly because so many were raised without fathers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290193) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:06 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage uh we've been doing it for centuries now. there are still poors. "just go change your entire life" doesn't work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291063) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:10 PM Author: dead unhinged degenerate SO-O-O, SO-O-O, SO-O-O DIGNIFIED! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290141) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:11 PM Author: Cracking boltzmann piazza Foodstamps and disability are growing at extremely rapid rates. Disability is exceptionally scary in its growth rate and adding further leeches-to-productive people ratio for the SS system. Disability is essentially just a new welfare program considering people just jump on SSDI when they dont want to work anymore. Depression or carpal tunnel works these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290148) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:14 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner +1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290168) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:12 PM Author: red theater stage it would probably cut down the unemployment rate quite drastically, moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290149) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:16 PM Author: Submissive chapel How? Half of the time people on welfare are working jobs already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290182) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:16 PM Author: red theater stage "3. Every week, recipients will report to the welfare office and show a current pay stub or job application. Failure to show these papers = cut off."
Also, the people would have a lot more incentive to improve their skills and get more productive jobs. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:07 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage tell me specifically how they will "improve their skills and get more productive jobs" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291065) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:14 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge At very least, Working ANY job makes you marginally more attractive to your next employer. At best you become experienced at something and command a higher wage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291100) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:29 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage we already have these programs. they don't work. most welfare recipients have jobs already.
please describe what you believe the average welfare recipient is like. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:34 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge The bottom 100 million Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291255) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:37 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage when you think "welfare recipient" what image pops to mind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291270) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: translucent box office OH THE INSANITY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296119) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:11 PM Author: violet diverse center round eye " remember that all of the above is voluntary. If you don't want to comply, then you can earn your own money. But if you're going to take MY money, I can at least insist that you be forced to make better choices, so you'll better yourself and not end up in that position again."
Will the following policies be implemented for people receiving govt. scholarships and grants? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:13 PM Author: Cracking boltzmann piazza Grants generally involve doing something productive. Foodstamps and school lunch programs (which adults can use for free, no means testing) involve letting other people purchase your food so you can pay for your iphone and datapackage.
As for "govt. scholarships" do you want to be more specific? Is this fed or state? Merit-based or AA? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:19 PM Author: dun razzle cuckoldry ITT: people who never had the indignity of using food stamps before they were plastic cards. People who don't know what it's like to hold up the line at the supermarket as some rifles through your groceries to make sure their WIC checks match up their products. People who never had free lunch. People who never had to go to summer lunch or breakfast. People who have never had to live in car. People who forget being poor isn't a crime and that most poor people hate being on welfare as much as some 20 year olds complain about "their" tax money being used to fund it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290207) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:23 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Guilty as charged. We had little money when I was a young child, but my parents made sure we always paid our own way through life. They wouldn't have DREAMED of accepting food stamps, free lunches, etc.
I wish we lived still in a time when people were ashamed to accept anything besides a handshake and a home-cooked meal. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:28 PM Author: fragrant hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290292) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:07 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage (shitboomer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291067) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:23 PM Author: lilac aggressive cumskin lots of silver spoon faggots on xo, nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290246) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:29 PM Author: fragrant hall My family lived on meager earnings. No welfare though. Silver spoon? LOLNO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290308) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:26 PM Author: red theater stage so what? people used to starve to death because of a lack of food. your biggest worry is that you're EMBARRASSED? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290269) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM Author: fragrant hall OH NOES NOT EMBARRASSMENT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290318) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:38 PM Author: red theater stage I'M SO EMBARRASSED TO PICK UP FREE FOOD AND DRINKS. MY LIFE IS SUCH HORROR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290393) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 11:15 PM Author: Lemon Place Of Business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21293216) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 11:15 PM Author: Lemon Place Of Business EMBARASSMENT IS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL IN VIOLATION OF THE 8TH AM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21293220) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:29 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug tcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290297) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM Author: orange cerebral house while true, this is melodramatic but meaningless drivel. you can't have a program and not impose requirements for eligibility to participate in the program. some of the OP's requirements are terrible, as I pointed out above, but some of them are reasonable (drug tests, for example). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290315) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner And one more thing.
"ITT: people who never had the indignity of using food stamps before they were plastic cards"
There SHOULD be a stigma in using food stamps. By replacing paper food stamps with debit-style cards, we take away some of the incentive for people to better themselves. (I will admit the plastic cards are probably easier to administer.)
I worry that we're slowly turning the "safety net" into a hammock. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:47 PM Author: passionate elite church doctorate Did you make up that hammock line? it's good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21300162) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:21 PM Author: Navy death wish stage Fine with some of this stuff but some seems stupid and mean spirited. Flat screens cost next to nothing. Cell phones are useful and often cheaper than having home phone service. No audio equipment? Really? #4 would lead to literal malnutrition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290228) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:34 PM Author: beta pea-brained police squad are you trolling? beans and rice would be an incredible improvement over the harm to health and nutrition that food stamps cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290349) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 1:20 PM Author: demanding wonderful sanctuary TWIST: beans and rice + spinach all day erryday is outrageously nutritious. I'd say more healthful than 99.9% of Americans eat. Throw in a multivitamin to get on DAT calcium tip and you're golden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296607) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:24 PM Author: fragrant hall 1800000000000000000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290259) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:25 PM Author: Appetizing scarlet telephone address while the spirit of the plan (not the specifics) isn't really offensive to me, the result would simply be massive administrative costs combined with an even greater and more desperate underclass looking to jack your car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290262) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:23 AM Author: Big Keepsake Machete Tanning Salon "an even greater and more desperate underclass"
i think people miss this aspect of purpose of the social welfare's system: it helps decrease the odds that a livid underclass will behead the people posting "YEAH LET THEM MUTHAFUCKIN POORS EAT BEANS/CAKE" ITT. PSA: there are more of them than there are of you. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:32 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner So in other words, welfare is extortion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21299934) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:28 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug unbelievably retarded "plan" that would be ridiculously expense to implement, which defeats the whole purpose of welfare reform. #4 Might be the dumbest thing I have seen proposed on XO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290290) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:31 PM Author: fragrant hall #4 is like the best one. Govt could hand out nutritious rice beans etc for very cheap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290326) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:34 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug you are the stupidest person in existence if you think a diet that consists 100% of rice and beans is good for people and are most likely a faggot 21 year old or manchild mental equivalent for thinking so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290347) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM Author: fragrant hall I assumed that the OP meant that there could be some kind of govt provision of food, and the majority of it could be rice and beans. If you don't think that a diet of 70%+ rice and beans can be good for a person, you are the idiot here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290373) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:49 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug he wants 100% so not only are you a fucking moron, but you can't read too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290958) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:06 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge You realize these poors are on a diet of 100% high-fructose corn syrup and purple drank, with the occasional 40oz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291062) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:46 PM Author: red theater stage fine. throw in lettuce too. the point still stands, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290462) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:23 AM Author: rebellious mother background story a lot of water wrapped up in a tiny bit of fiber rounds out a balanced diet (nutrition mfe) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21318850) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM Author: chrome yapping home LOL, no. Better off creating Government-Mart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290380) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:33 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner I have no idea why people think #4 is the most controversial part of my plan. Just the other day, I personally witnessed somebody buying nothing but $50 worth of steak with an EBT food stamp card. I know, it sounds like a Ronald Reagan "welfare queen" story, but I saw it with my own eyes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290345) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM Author: orange cerebral house how many meals worth of steak? steak is nutritious. i don't see anything wrong with buying steak with food stamps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290368) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:37 PM Author: fragrant hall Well there is the fact that lots of working people can't afford to eat steak very often. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290383) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:42 PM Author: red theater stage wtf. yeah, we should have them eat lobster tail too since it's so nutritious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290432) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:46 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Actual food stamp receipt from Michigan showing lobster, steak, and Diet Mtn Dew: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/ss/Lobster-Steak-Food-Stamp-Receipt.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290463) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:47 PM Author: red theater stage lololol
180 |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:34 PM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain Instead of hundreds of dollars on a debit card, just allow those qualifying for food assistance to have the same food offered in prisons or to our active duty soldiers (Minus junk food).
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain Entitlements are a little out of control in some places.
I knew a guy with a wife and two kids (under four) in law school. His family got free health care with no copays, utilities paid for (including internet) and $640 a month in food stamps.
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Date: August 12th, 2012 9:52 AM Author: motley greedy rehab Mormon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21319357) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:32 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug once again the mask comes off and we are witness to the fact that professed "fiscal conservatives" are in all reality murderous fascist-types who will run roughshod over the constitution to bankrupt this country just so that the poor and minorities that they irrationally blame for their own failures will be "punished". there was a thread earlier today where someone asked for a reason why he should vote for obama instead of romney and the reason is people like the op. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290337) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:35 PM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain That's such a straw man approach.
Ok, so the fiscal conservative extreme position sucks, but so does the current situation.
Do you really support food stamp cards being used at Papa Murphy's pizza? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:50 PM Author: violent arousing native are you really that out of touch with how food stamps work? you cant use them for prepared food.
ITT clueless dickheads who think their armchair policy wisdom will cure our nations ills |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:54 PM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain Feel free to call me a dickhead all day, but papa murphy's accepts food stamps.
Many states allow this because it isn't a "prepared food" dealer because you take the pizza home to bake it. It's like a frozen pizza
It sounds stupid, because it is. But it's true.
Don't jump to conclusions like a stubborn jack ass.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:58 PM Author: red theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290620) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:59 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Tru dat. The Papa Murphy's stores around here have big signs announcing that they take food stamps.
I guess if you're a business owner, you don't turn away any money that comes in the door, but man, I'd be embarrassed if I were helping people waste taxpayer dollars.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:05 PM Author: violent arousing native i stand corrected and apologize. tbf, ive lived in chicago dc and nyc and have never seen or heard of this place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290683) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:22 PM Author: charcoal wagecucks indian lodge (shitlib dumbass who talks out his ass) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290780) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:22 PM Author: charcoal wagecucks indian lodge PWNED his dumbass bruh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290777) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:37 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Why are people not responsible for their own failures? If that's so, then just who is responsible?
If anything, my plan is more compassionate than what we're doing today. I'm only trying to give people a hand up, not a handout. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:10 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage because when a lot of people fail it fucks everyone over. see, massive recession cause by housing crisis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291074) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:41 PM Author: fragrant hall So there's no conceivable reason, other than spite, to reform welfare? You would have to be a complete retard to subscribe to this statement.
I'll assume that you threw in the constituion for good measure without any idea what you are talking about. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:44 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner He must be referring to the 28th amendment. "Congress shall make no law abridging the right to an Xbox, 20-inch rims, iPhone, booze,..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290447) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:45 PM Author: red theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290455) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:54 PM Author: erotic stag film antidepressant drug lol, you guys are pathetic. I'm in favor of reforming welfare but the OPs proposals doesn't do a fucking other than try to micromanage people's lives in a way that will do jack shit to take care of the problems with welfare and just make the program MORE expensive, just like 99% of the half-assed fantasies you clowns try to pass of as solutions. the fact so many of you cocksuckers are seething with such anger at having this fact pointed to you is all the evidence that the world needs to not take you and your ideas seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291007) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Submissive chapel http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291192
compare and contrast that plan to your own. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:41 PM Author: red theater stage singapore, hong kong, and south korea have virtually non-existent welfare programs. are people dying in droves as a result? or are 98% of them gainfully employed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290425) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: Submissive chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295870) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:48 PM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freddyt.foodassistancebuddypro&hl=en
Hopefully they get cell phone plan assistance too. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 9:55 AM Author: motley greedy rehab Holy shit look at the phones those shitpoors have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21319366) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:52 PM Author: Charismatic mustard gas station regret DAS RACISS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21290555) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:20 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale ITT OP purports to reform welfare by implementing costly, tedious oversight that would basically end up kicking 90+% of welfare recipients off the rolls. So, instead of a system that arguably allocates some share of money to the undeserving, OP's system is a bloated, expensive administrative body that allocates money to almost no one. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:42 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner "that would basically end up kicking 90+% of welfare recipients off the rolls"
That's the point. We need to help people work their way off the welfare rolls. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:55 PM Author: Charismatic mustard gas station regret By work you mean become thieving outlaws? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291009) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM Author: Judgmental Deer Antler +1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291087) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge So you want to bribe people to not be criminals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291088) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:14 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale the only other alternative is housing them in prisons, which isn't cheap either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291095) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:17 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge It's a false dichotomy to say give them benefits or they will become criminals. The overwhelming majority will get shitty jobs. Sure, some will resort to crime, but we can't pay people to not committ crimes we don't know they will even committ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291114) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:32 PM Author: Judgmental Deer Antler do u believe in incentives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291237) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:33 PM Author: Hairless Razzmatazz Lodge Absolutely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291248) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:22 AM Author: rebellious mother background story or get hired to help administer the giant new welfare inspection apparatus, congrats now they are getting $ with no strings attached (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21318846) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:10 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale why not just scale back the whole thing if the main goal is getting people off welfare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291075) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:03 PM Author: Carnelian exhilarant parlour What exactly would be costly and tedious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291043) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale are you seriously asking what would be costly and tedious about doctor screenings, weekly meetings, drug tests, and monthly home visits for every one of the millions of people on welfare across the entire nation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291083) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:16 PM Author: Carnelian exhilarant parlour Subject: lolkay Doctor screenings save money because having more children to poor parents costs more than doctor screenings. Typical of preventative measures versus paying on the back-end.
Weekly meetings put onus on the welfare recipients to take responsibility. Again, doing so saves more than it costs.
Drug tests would cost around 50cents per administration, at most a few dollars. Worth spending a little to prevent spending legitimate money on poor people's drug use.
Monthly home visits you might be right about.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:24 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale "Drug tests would cost around 50cents per administration, at most a few dollars." ~30 million americans receive some sort of welfare. So we're shelling out $15,000,000 a month ($180,000,000 a year) on the tests alone. Does that figure include the cost of the people who process/record the results of roughly 1 million tests per DAY? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:27 PM Author: Carnelian exhilarant parlour it would be way fewer than 30 million americans very quickly under this system, thus way fewer than 1 million tests per day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291207) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:31 PM Author: soul-stirring elastic band locale oh well shit I guess we're all set then. brb going to plan and implement a nationwide welfare asset-seizure rimz-n-flatscreenz auction bonanza |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:02 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner $180 million is chump change compared to the fraud and waste that's currently happening (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21292016) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:31 PM Author: Abnormal low-t abode mood 50 cent drug tests? Rofl! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21292232) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage the thing is it wouldn't even have the desired effect. they've been trying to institute policies to curb the "welfare queen" fantasy for decades. but for the people they are trying to catch, staying on welfare is a FT job. no matter what you do these people will cheat the system unless you install cameras in their homes.
what this does it make it harder for the majority of people on welfare, who use it temporarily and actually need it. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:26 AM Author: 180 trailer park karate It's a really shortsighted plan. I bet this is from a rick scott chain email (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295815) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:05 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner EXPLAIN why it's "shortsighted." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21297510) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:18 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage man if only you could eat incentives! incentives! INCENTIVES!
op sounds like he's just had his first econ 101 class. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:25 PM Author: Judgmental Deer Antler milton friedman plan. guaranteed minimum income. cash disbursement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291192) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:39 PM Author: Iridescent multi-colored state mexican This, coupled with a flat tax rate on all sources of income and elimination of credits/deductions. Eliminate welfare and SS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21291294) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: Submissive chapel Now this is actually welfare reform that would save $$ and be drastically more efficient. I'm a shitlib so I'd want to see progressive tax rates if we remove all credits and deductions but otherwise I think it's not bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296073) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Disgusting Peach Hairy Legs No cell phones? wat?
A shitty prepaid costs like $50 for the unit + whatever u use per month. It actually might make lots of sense for a poor person to have a cell if they are job-hunting or need to be available while job hunting/at work for emergencies if they have a kid, or something.
also flatscreens? those don't cost much. can u even buy a CRT in a store these days? lol.
And no audio equipment? Um wtf? You gonna confiscate people's radios? And if you think "oh i only meant people's super-overpriced stereo systems" maybe specify that, instead of super-general "audio equipment." That's like saying you're going to take all their "telecommunications devices."
I'm not remotely lib in my politics (really the opposite) but this is just silly.
either we should give poors X charity (food stamps, money, whatever), and realize that lots of them will use it in ways we don't think are best, or we shouldn't give them X charity (I'd go with the second option in most cases, with exception if there are innocent kids of poors involved).
But this trying to micromanage their lives thing isn't a good approach, and especially not according to these incredibly shitty and arbitrary standards. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:53 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner You can buy a used CRT television dirt-cheap. (Hell, you could probably get one for free.) Would be a good lesson in thrift. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21292397) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:29 PM Author: Adventurous Sick Gay Wizard Pit these bitches need to keep their legs together and stop pimping out their 12-year-old daughters all decked out in mascara blush and daisy duke shorts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21292217) |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: angry mind-boggling goyim trump supporter as a shitlib, the only one of these i'd support is drug tests and forced birth control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21292317) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:56 AM Author: sapphire hospital preventive strike It is a fact that a lot of women have kids just so they can get on/stay on welfare. They should do something about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295240) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:17 AM Author: excitant spot why don't you just scrap welfare altogether bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295772) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:20 AM Author: bespoke sexy corner Because I have compassion and genuinely want to help people better themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295787) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:28 AM Author: Racy know-it-all gaping set Just implementing the mandatory birth control would be HUGE. Everything else can go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21295827) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:08 PM Author: sapphire hospital preventive strike may as well do the tatoo restriction for the lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296107) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 3:48 AM Author: chestnut splenetic range love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21318993) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:30 AM Author: Honey-headed school cafeteria stain Not a lot of love for the 4th amendment from anyone in this thread.
Most people on here seem to support an intrusive government search, not on the basis of probable cause, but on the basis of employment.
The idea that unemployment insurance is covered by worker premiums is a bit of a farce, but most people who collect unemployment did pay something into the system in the form of insurance premiums.
And I don't buy the "private employers drug test employees" argument, since private employers virtually never trigger the 4th amendment.
If private employers don't want their drug-using employees collecting unemployment, they should document drug tests and fire for cause which (sometimes) makes the fired person ineligible for benefits.
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: Spectacular shrine 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296087) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 1:22 PM Author: naked haunted graveyard shaddddup, tard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21296625) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:33 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner Got anything better to suggest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21297705) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:53 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage there isn't a problem that can be solved by MOAR INCENTIVES. welfare already has like half the shit you are proposing in some form or another.
if you want to help out poors, here's two simple things you can do:
1) school goes year round.
2) end the war on drugs. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 4:46 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner End the war on drugs? So people can spend their welfare checks on weed and meth? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21298407) |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 4:50 PM Author: alcoholic irradiated mad cow disease stage they're not already doing this? they just get their 8 year old or some dood down the street to give them piss. then they od on crappy street drugs and end up in the ER.
people who really want to cheat the system will cheat the system no matter how hard you make it for them.
on second thought you must be flame. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 7:11 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner "they just get their 8 year old or some dood down the street to give them piss."
That's why a good drug test requires visual observation of the piss going into the cup.
What are you, some kind of low-IQ shtick? |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 4:57 AM Author: slippery ceo Ending the war on drugs helps the poor in so many ways. You should watch The Wire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21319037) |
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Date: August 10th, 2012 9:14 AM Author: bespoke sexy corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21303334) |
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Date: August 10th, 2012 1:58 PM Author: bespoke sexy corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21305280) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 1:53 AM Author: bespoke sexy corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2018168&forum_id=2#21318655) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 4:58 AM Author: slippery ceo The OP hasn't really thought about what he's saying here.
The first point is by far the most controversial but the only one that would make a huge difference (sterilization of poors). The stuff about tats/piercings is just stupid. I would like to go further myself and give free abortions along with a $100 voucher to Walmart that a woman could get once per year. |