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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:36 AM Author: Charismatic sick lay Are you going to permanently stop posting once you start working? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672247) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:39 AM Author: buff confused parlour I'm probably not going to post very much. I have a strict rule against posting at work and didn't have any trouble follwing as a summer, and I'm guessing I'll be busier as an associate. I might or might not stop by sometimes in my off hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672258) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:40 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt :-( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672271) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:42 AM Author: vibrant legend Yeah, I wonder if xoxo will ever end up with another poster approximating R's combination of brains, sanity, and patience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672282) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:44 AM Author: buff confused parlour Thanks, but I'm sure someone will step into my spot as soon as I retire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672288) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:45 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt aznaznazn or :D, no doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672295) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: buff confused parlour I would love to see that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672301) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: vibrant legend "Thanks, but I'm sure someone will step into my spot as soon as I retire."
Sort of like the time traveler's paradox, I'd presume if this were so the person would already be here.
But maybe nature really does abhor a vacuum.
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:48 AM Author: buff confused parlour He or she probably already is. People tend to change as posters a bit if they're here long enough - I used to be a much sillier poster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672313) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:43 AM Author: buff confused parlour What can I say, I can't make $125,000 a year posting on xoxo all day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672287) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:44 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt but its so much more fun than biglaw... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672290) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:45 AM Author: buff confused parlour You guys want to create a paid position with an equal salary, I'd be happy to accept it. ;)
Biglaw might not be fun, but neither are, say, homelessness or starvation. I had to get a job and start paying bills at some point. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: Olive yarmulke hospital black or charcoal suits ona dude and reason? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672302) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:47 AM Author: buff confused parlour Whichever one is appropriate for the occasion. Where were you planning on wearing this suit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672307) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:49 AM Author: Olive yarmulke hospital don't hit me, but at a bar. i kinda wanna be "that guy" who looks snazzy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672314) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:51 AM Author: buff confused parlour I have trouble imagining myself falling for a guy who buys a suit for the sole purpose of going to bars. You'd be a lot better off investing the same amount of money in a really nice pair of jeans and a few attractive, high-quality shirts to go with them.
But if you absolutely must buy a suit, get a charcoal one. At least you can wear it to job interviews. Just don't spill booze on it. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt someone take up a collection. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672303) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:53 AM Author: buff confused parlour I could deal with this ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672335) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: Charismatic sick lay When do you start? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672300) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: buff confused parlour End of next month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672304) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:49 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field all that money spent just for a 125k job? Hahahahahahahaha |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:52 AM Author: buff confused parlour Why would this be such a shock if you're acquainted with law school expenses and salaries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672334) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:53 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field It isn't. Since dropping out I'm so thrilled... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672337) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:53 AM Author: buff confused parlour So you spent all that money to have the same job you could have had without ever setting foot in a law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672340) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:54 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I dropped out after 1L and am pursuing medical school, a real profession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672342) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:55 AM Author: buff confused parlour The fact remains that you spent 1/3 of what I did, and it had no positive effect on your earning capacity at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672348) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:56 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field Indirectly it did. I won't be stuck in a crummy field and now I can do good for this world. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:57 AM Author: buff confused parlour But you could have done all of that without going to law school. The fact that you wandered in and out before deciding what you wanted to do when you grew up seems quite wasteful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672355) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 2:59 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I had a half scholarship. In 5 weeks you will be working 70 hrs/week with unpleasant people doing meaningless work...how does that feel? |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:02 AM Author: razzmatazz stain How is the work meaningless? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672364) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:04 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field LOL document review in a windowless cubicle that could easily be outsourced or done by a 18 year old 70 hours a week with unpleasant people? You realize you people mock ibankers but you are their BITCH in BIGLAW. Ha! |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:03 AM Author: buff confused parlour Pretty damn good. I'm ready for a paycheck.
You spent about $15,000 and whatever you lost in opportunity cost pursuing a career that you now regard with scorn. This will delay your entry into the medical profession by a year, delay completing a residency in which you are badly paid and usually overworked by a year, and eliminate the last year of your predicted stream of earnings (probably quite a considerable sum). How does that feel? |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:06 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I will make about 500k starting out and won't have to work for 8 years--I hate work with a passion and when I finish school I will work 40-50 hour workweeks permanently, working for myself. It sounds darn good. Meanwhile you are in a field in which you will likely leave within 10 years and will have to deal with HR and politics to move up into the 250k+ bracket. Good luck! |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:07 AM Author: buff confused parlour If you don't think your residency will be work, you haven't been talking to the right people.
You could have done all that without wasting all that time and money and effort, too...doesn't it just kill you when you think of it? Is that why you feel such a need to harass lawyers? You're jealous we figured out what we wanted to do without playing musical graduate schools?
Nothing about that sounds particularly bad. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:08 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I spent 1 year and about a 5k opp. cost and got to avoid work for a year. It was good to me and I got laid by hot girls. I have, oh say, 40 years to work and make money--I don't need to force myself into a 125K job for life. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:09 AM Author: buff confused parlour Your opportunity cost comes off the last year of your career. If you would have gotten your act together, you'd have another year of $500K+ in your stream of earnings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672385) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:10 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I don't need that much. I want to make a difference in the world. Ten years at 500k, 40-50 hours a week working for myself>20 years of 125-250k working for the Man, which is what you are looking at. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:12 AM Author: buff confused parlour If it's not about money but about doing what we each want to do, then why should I regret spending a set amount of money to purchase my J.D.?
I'd prefer to work for the man and would insist that I not have to deal with any body fluids while I'm doing so. I don't think I could achieve those goals in your profession. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:14 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I just find it amusing how xoxoers obsess about BIGLAW and law's superiority over business, when their entire living depends upon ibankers and being bossed around by 22 year old analysts who make more than they do. Ha! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672407) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:15 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672416) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:17 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field They do, but the motivation is ironic and hypocrtical, since BIGLAW in reality is simply a lesser paying job than ibanking, while encompassing all the characteristics, traits, and values of ibanking. Ant these Vault 100 firms are no different from Jpm Morgan and Goldman Sachs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672429) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:19 AM Author: buff confused parlour Those jobs aren't exactly identical. They require different kinds of training, difrerent educational credentials, involve different duties, have different pay scales, involve different amounts of risk, have different promotion tracks and different exit options. In what ways do you consider them the same job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672438) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:21 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field "In what ways do you consider them the same job?"
Hours Values-gunning for promotions, kissing ass to make more money, cutthroat compeition, people are cold Motivation-strictly money and potential bonus
BIGLAW is to law what ibanking is to bonus. The most lucartive to begin in, but a sweatshop.
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:24 AM Author: buff confused parlour The general consensus is that starting bankers work more hours than associates and that senior bankers work fewer hours than partners. That doesn't seem similar to me.
There are many professions in which making money is the primary goal and most involve some degree of office politics to be promoted.
I'm not seeing two identical jobs here. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:49 AM Author: Mauve Embarrassed To The Bone Plaza What are the differences in risk, promotional tracks and exit options? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672562) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:52 AM Author: buff confused parlour You're a lot more likely to get fired as a banker if you screw up or if work slows down. Many firms will eventually push you out if they get sick of you, but there's a longer period where you can slide.
You can look up a chart of promotion from analyst to MD or above online somewhere I suspect. It's a different sequence with a lot more levels to it.
I'm not exactly sure what bankers do when they exit besides go to other banks or hedge funds, but options like in-house counsel and many of the exact types of government jobs lawyers pursue are fairly specific to the field. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:21 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672450) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:24 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field You even said yourself you wish you could be in the business field. Law as a profession isn't what it used to be. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:26 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672470) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:16 AM Author: buff confused parlour I'm not sure who says that, but I'm not one of them. Bankers are frequently the employers of lawyers. That doesn't bother me at all. However, while most bankers make more than most lawyers, 22-year-old analysts aren't particularly well-paid and generally don't make anything close to 6 figures.
(Your living depends on sucking up to elderly Mrs. Carver and her troubled colon...very few people have a living that's completely independent of the needs and desires of others). |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:18 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field analysts easily clear 125k. Starting salary now is 65-75k+15-20k signing bonus+30-45k bonus>BIGLAW associates. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:20 AM Author: buff confused parlour Which firm? The analysts I know don't clear that much.
Enjoy listening to Mrs. Carver tell you about her great-nieces and nephews while you put your finger up her ass. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:22 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field Any major ibank analyst gets at least 100k. If you make a deal happen and are in a great group you can make 200k |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:24 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672459) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:26 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I don't know. What are the exit options in law? What if you get laid off, where do you go? It's just not as a safe as it once was, and so much of the legal work can be outsourced. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:27 AM Author: buff confused parlour In-house, government, smaller firms. All not such bad options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672476) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:29 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field but much less money. So the grass isn't greener. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:31 AM Author: buff confused parlour Yes, but much better hours for a sum of money that's more than enough for me to be comfortable on. And no cleaning up body fluids, dealing with sick people, or spending years in a badly-paid residency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672495) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:30 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672493) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:25 AM Author: buff confused parlour Can you give me a firm or a link to a reference that confirms it? It's not conforming to my information. But this is a side point...almost all of us will have to please SOMEONE in the course of our daily work. You certainly will, being in a service profession. Working for bankers isn't exactly the worst fate I can picture for myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672463) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:27 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I don't see how you can be satisfied with your life, no matter how much you make, being an analyt's bitch.
Ask the poster ptbarnum, he says his gf and people he knows clear well over 125k starting out |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:28 AM Author: buff confused parlour But you're a little old lady's bitch. And a hypochondriac's bitch. And a cranky pukey teenager's bitch. And a hyperactive toddler's bitch. Do you think you'll be satisfied with that life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672482) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:31 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field Of course, because they will be sending me cards thanking/blessing me for helping them. I don't need to wear a suit or kiss their ass. They come to me to help them and I use my training to help them. The banker only wants you so he can get his shit done and because you are the cheapest and quickest. Patients NEED doctors to help them. It's drastically different. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:33 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672505) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:34 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field I won't be doing that...You know, medicine is an incredibly diverse field. An anesthisiologist, for example, never deals with the shit you keep mentioning. Even if I do deal with that, it is for the betterment of another human being, unlike structuring some snot nosed 22 year old coke head's derivative. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: buff confused parlour You'll certainly deal with puking though. There's a higher than average chance you'll deal with dying in that particular specialty, and probably with lawsuits as a result. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672520) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:39 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field That's absurd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672530) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:34 AM Author: buff confused parlour You'll need to kiss their asses if you want them to come back, especially if you're not planning on being a specialist. It's called bedside manner.
I would actually prefer someone who wants me to be the quickest and the cheapest. My preference would be to not have to listen to someone whine about their health problems, or refuse to follow the lifestyle changes I'd recommended to improve their health, or puke, or piss, or bleed. I'd understand if someone wanted that package of things, but I think I'd be miserable in that working environment. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field Um, people with gunshot wounds or emergency illnesses don't pick and choose doctors. They don't look up and analyze a hospital's ranking. They go to the hospital or the best doctor they want. They don't want someone compatable to their personality like in law/business, they want someone to fix their malady. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:39 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672531) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:40 AM Author: buff confused parlour If you're going to specialize in emergency or trauma medicine, that's slightly different. Are you? That's generally not 40-50 hours of working for yourself though, that's often irregular hours and working for a hospital.
Or are you going to be a GP, internist, pediatrician, ob/gyn, or other similar type of practicioner? |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:40 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field The vast majority of doctors have insurance plans under a C corp plan. It's not that complicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672535) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:43 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field "Or are you going to be a GP, internist, pediatrician, ob/gyn, or other similar type of practicioner? "
None, those are the 4 areas I desire the least. Possibly an oncologist. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:47 AM Author: buff confused parlour You don't think you're ever going to have to suck up to patients while you're treating them long-term for their cancer? Or be pleasant to their families?
Personally, I couldn't handle that line of work and would't want to. People dying in the course of my job isn't something I'm particularly interested in. Blood and sickness and pain and irrational people aren't my idea of good things to work around either. There's a place in the world for people who have your preferences, but it's not like you've picked everyone's dream job. |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672522) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:38 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field that's absurd. An ER doctor has no time for such crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672529) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:43 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672544) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:32 AM Author: wild cheese-eating toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672501) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:36 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt Petrodollar and I are the ones to thank for popularizing that picture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672517) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:25 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt i know a bunch of analysts from college (at a second rate bank, no less) who cleared 200K at age 24. but you have to be unusually talented to do this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672464) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:26 AM Author: buff confused parlour That seems like it could be possible, but are the 22-year-olds right out of college making $125K? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672472) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:28 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt not many, but by the time they're old enough to have finished law school (had they chosed to go to law school instead) they'll be making alot more than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672480) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:29 AM Author: buff confused parlour Oh, I'm certainly not debating that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672485) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:30 AM Author: high-end really tough guy newt of course, many of them will evenrually go to b-school for two years, though an MBA isn't really necesariy if you're a superstar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672490) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:32 AM Author: buff confused parlour Not arguing with that either. His quotation on the typical pay for a first year analyst just seemed slightly high to me, given other sums I've heard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672500) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:33 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field you may be looking at base salary... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672504) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:36 AM Author: buff confused parlour No, I actually know a couple people's base + bonus because we were comparing. It's fairly high, but it's not as high as my salary + prorated bonus at the moment. They'll soon pass me in earnings, but they have a lot more risk in their positions so that only makes sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672513) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 4:05 AM Author: arousing bonkers sound barrier Makes sense to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672584) |
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Date: August 25th, 2005 3:28 AM Author: buck-toothed glittery national security agency field Yup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672481) |
Date: August 25th, 2005 3:16 AM Author: appetizing offensive hairy legs faggotry Did jews vomit and then eat it to stem hunger in Auschwitz? Like say you only get a morning biscuit, would they vomit it back up at night and then eat it again to trick the stomach into thinking they had another meal? |