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moved my 401k from stock funds into bond funds...thoughts?

hedging against a downturn in the overall stock market...wha...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
how old are you? this is nuts. interest rates will rise,...
Emerald karate sound barrier
  03/23/14
have about $160k in stocks in a non-401k brokerage account. ...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
you've got it backwards. you should be more aggressive with ...
impressive stimulating point
  03/23/14
This is my thought process since I have an extremely long ti...
cerise theatre
  10/14/14
You will be fucked in the A when interest rates rise.
Hateful home skinny woman
  03/23/14
what? this would be good for someone holding bonds
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  03/23/14
lol
Emerald karate sound barrier
  03/23/14
:)
citrine talented pit cumskin
  03/23/14
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-fi...
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  03/23/14
Posting Khan Academy videos to demolish a poaster should be ...
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  12/23/14
(xo poa
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key word: HOLDING
white soul-stirring box office
  10/14/14
also key: he's not even holding bonds, he's holding a bond f...
light genital piercing
  10/14/14
are you a shitboomer retiring in 5 yrs?
impressive stimulating point
  03/23/14
no....decades from retirement. just fearful of where the ma...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
the market will beat your shitty bond funds by the time you'...
impressive stimulating point
  03/23/14
i agree, breh. i will move back into the 401k's stock funds...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
" i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever...
impressive stimulating point
  03/23/14
cr
navy anal ape police squad
  03/23/14
Are you seriously 30 years from retirement and churning your...
white soul-stirring box office
  03/23/14
just churnign the 401k breh...when i started it i did the ta...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
churn into the s&p
impressive stimulating point
  03/23/14
Well, the expenses are an important factor. What is the exp...
white soul-stirring box office
  03/23/14
exp ratio for target date fund is almost three-quarters perc...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
Well, maybe not the best move, but I can never complain too ...
big office party of the first part
  03/23/14
guy who thinks you can tell high and low at the time
yapping queen of the night electric furnace
  12/23/14
If you think you can properly time a stock downturn and risi...
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  03/23/14
well, not saying i can time shit, but keeping $ in the more ...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
CR if you are in your 50's
up-to-no-good excitant rigpig
  03/23/14
see, this is where bond funds suck donkey ass. You could ...
supple roommate
  03/23/14
initially my idea was just to move most of the 401k into cas...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  03/23/14
the stock market drop you expect would be because interest r...
Amber Foreskin State
  03/23/14
with the recent dump in equities, i moved some money out of ...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  10/14/14
Since 3/23/14: BLV +8.58% VTI -1.37%
canary institution philosopher-king
  10/14/14
i'm not a bond master man, but aren't long term bonds the on...
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  10/14/14
Yes
canary institution philosopher-king
  10/14/14
You are literally doing everything wrong.
passionate travel guidebook
  10/14/14
you mean, by trying to time the market?
Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef
  10/14/14
Buy oil stocks. $85 oil wont last. This shit is bubble flame...
ocher flirting deer antler
  10/14/14
Grow a beard
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  12/23/14
lol
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...
white soul-stirring box office
  12/23/14
exhibit 394b, you're honor.
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  12/23/14
Just lol!!!!!
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  12/29/14
ROFL
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  12/23/14
Nice bump. Lots of stupidity ITT. If you want low risk/m...
Peach Massive Forum Alpha
  12/23/14
180. S&P tacked on another 12 percent since this post.
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  12/23/14
No problem, I'm sure his SHITBONDS did better. LOL
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  12/26/14
OP here-- my 401k is now about 50k in a bond fund and 30k i...
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  12/28/14
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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:19 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

hedging against a downturn in the overall stock market...what was surprising was that the bond fund has the same expense ratio as the money market fund available under my 401k plan, even though the bond fund will pay comparatively significant interest. any better way to play this out for now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243760)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:21 PM
Author: Emerald karate sound barrier

how old are you?

this is nuts. interest rates will rise, and you're gonna be fucked. just make sure you're diversified among equities (small/mid/large, significant international exposure, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243769)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:26 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

have about $160k in stocks in a non-401k brokerage account. just worried about the 401k money sitting there and getting eaten by fees while the market moves sideways or, worse, down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243788)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:28 PM
Author: impressive stimulating point

you've got it backwards. you should be more aggressive with your 401k than your non-401k because that's money you definitely don't need for decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243795)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:46 PM
Author: cerise theatre

This is my thought process since I have an extremely long time horizon for my retirement accounts. I have a 5-10 yr time horizon for my taxable accounts to buy a house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26518385)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:19 PM
Author: Hateful home skinny woman

You will be fucked in the A when interest rates rise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243763)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: citrine talented pit cumskin

what? this would be good for someone holding bonds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243766)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:21 PM
Author: Emerald karate sound barrier

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243770)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:22 PM
Author: citrine talented pit cumskin

:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243777)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:22 PM
Author: Hateful home skinny woman

https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/stock-and-bonds/bonds-tutorial/v/relationship-between-bond-prices-and-interest-rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243779)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:51 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office

Posting Khan Academy videos to demolish a poaster should be more widespread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987080)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:00 PM
Author: light genital piercing

(xo poa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517709)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:07 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle partner bbw



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:03 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office

key word: HOLDING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517727)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:05 PM
Author: light genital piercing

also key: he's not even holding bonds, he's holding a bond fund

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517734)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: impressive stimulating point

are you a shitboomer retiring in 5 yrs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243767)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

no....decades from retirement. just fearful of where the market will go. most of the stock funds in the plan have expense ratios greater than 1%. have about $60k in the plan..what kind of fund would you keep it in right now>?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243783)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:27 PM
Author: impressive stimulating point

the market will beat your shitty bond funds by the time you're old. do you have a cheap fund or any sort of index fund?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243791)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

i agree, breh. i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever depending on what happens in the market in the short term (if it ever corrects, ect). the only cheap (expense ratio less than a half-percent) stock fund in the 401k plan is an sp500 index, which i dont think i want to be into right now. see above re my equity holdings outside the 401k (which include about 20k of vanguard international stock index fund).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243802)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:34 PM
Author: impressive stimulating point

" i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever depending on what happens in the market in the short term (if it ever corrects, ect)."

dont play games like this. what if it keeps appreciating? you might lose 5-10% more gains. and then you're going to buy back at even higher? you're not going to time the market.

"the only cheap (expense ratio less than a half-percent) stock fund in the 401k plan is an sp500 index, which i dont think i want to be into right now. "

well, it's better than anything else in your 401k. get back in that and let it do what it do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243821)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: navy anal ape police squad

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243860)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office

Are you seriously 30 years from retirement and churning your portfolio 100 percent between bonds and equities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243855)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:45 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

just churnign the 401k breh...when i started it i did the target date fund and then started to think more expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243878)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:49 PM
Author: impressive stimulating point

churn into the s&p

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243893)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office

Well, the expenses are an important factor. What is the expense ratio in the target date funds?

But market timing is insane for a non-professional. You may be incurring fees too for moving around like that. You should set up automatic balancing and be in the S&P index fund at least 50 percent.

If you're worried about a market drop just accumulate cash. Churning like this is a bad idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243908)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:57 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

exp ratio for target date fund is almost three-quarters percent (3 times the bond fund)...that would be inaddition to the expenses of the underlying funds held in the target date fund, i would think. afaik there are no extra costs for getting into and out of these particular funds in the 401k...some of the actively managed funds do have transaction fees and lockout periods but those funds have 1%+ expense rations so i've never considered them seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243933)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: big office party of the first part

Well, maybe not the best move, but I can never complain too much about someone who sells high. The absolutely inexplicable morons are the people who sell low after the market has crashed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243780)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:03 PM
Author: yapping queen of the night electric furnace

guy who thinks you can tell high and low at the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988674)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:27 PM
Author: navy anal ape police squad

If you think you can properly time a stock downturn and rising interest rates, go for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243792)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:32 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

well, not saying i can time shit, but keeping $ in the more expensive stock funds available under my 401k plan while the overall market stagnates is going to result in lower net returns by virtue of the significant spread in fund expenses (>1% for most of the stock funds vs. the bond fund)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243811)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: up-to-no-good excitant rigpig

CR if you are in your 50's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243803)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:31 PM
Author: supple roommate

see, this is where bond funds suck donkey ass.

You could put your money into a basket of short term bonds if you knew what you were doing (even though its a difficult task and is risky for unlearned investors)and gotten the principal back in one or two years after they mature and hopefully you would have been able to ride out a period of extreme volitility.

but with the bond funds its a little more risky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243806)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

initially my idea was just to move most of the 401k into cash equivalent -- money market fund -- but i realized that the MM had the same damn expenses (with virtually no interest) as the bond fund. seems like the collective xo wisdom is just to get it back into the least expensive stock fund in the plan, which is an s&p index, and let it do what it do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243964)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 2:20 PM
Author: Amber Foreskin State

the stock market drop you expect would be because interest rates rise. so no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25244065)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:25 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

with the recent dump in equities, i moved some money out of the bond fund into the S&P500 index fubnd. guess i'm where i would have been if i had put everything in the index fund in march

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517469)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:55 PM
Author: canary institution philosopher-king

Since 3/23/14:

BLV +8.58%

VTI -1.37%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517674)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:57 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

i'm not a bond master man, but aren't long term bonds the ones most likely to get fucked when rates go back up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517688)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:19 PM
Author: canary institution philosopher-king

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517787)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:17 PM
Author: passionate travel guidebook

You are literally doing everything wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517779)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:45 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

you mean, by trying to time the market?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517969)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:09 PM
Author: ocher flirting deer antler

Buy oil stocks. $85 oil wont last. This shit is bubble flame.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-13/u-dot-s-dot-oil-prices-are-dropping-but-drilling-is-more-expensive

I especially love the idea that oil is off because of Libyan production. That country is imploding they will hit 300k barrels before they ever hit a million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26518131)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:26 PM
Author: hideous odious church

Grow a beard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986933)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 4:22 PM
Author: Sapphire violent puppy

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987580)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 5:47 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987984)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:53 PM
Author: Hairraiser chocolate son of senegal

exhibit 394b, you're honor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988612)



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Date: December 29th, 2014 4:46 PM
Author: maniacal drunken orchestra pit

Just lol!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27018520)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:18 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line

ROFL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986915)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:25 PM
Author: Peach Massive Forum Alpha

Nice bump. Lots of stupidity ITT.

If you want low risk/moderate returns, buy high dividend ETFs. Going into bonds when prime is 0.XX% is suicide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986930)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:52 PM
Author: white soul-stirring box office

180. S&P tacked on another 12 percent since this post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987087)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 4:03 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line

No problem, I'm sure his SHITBONDS did better. LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987471)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 6:13 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988187)



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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:16 PM
Author: iridescent really tough guy meetinghouse

lol at this turkey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27000476)



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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:48 PM
Author: Curious confused generalized bond elastic band

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27000643)



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Date: December 28th, 2014 5:48 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef

OP here--

my 401k is now about 50k in a bond fund and 30k in the S&P500 index fund. i churned back into the S&P on dips.

yes i would have been better off just putting it all in the S&P earlier this year.

i still think there was some reasonable basis to treat the bond fund in the 401k as a place to store dry powder in the event of a major decline in the equities markets. i concede that if interest rates go up that may trigger declines in stocks and bonds, but there could be scenarios where equities decline and bonds are steady or increase in value, aren't there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27012358)



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Date: December 28th, 2014 5:49 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line

ROFL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27012366)



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Date: December 29th, 2014 4:51 PM
Author: yapping queen of the night electric furnace

dude, there are always reasons to choose bonds over stocks. the market is very efficient when it comes to valuations of these things, particularly in aggregate. had you been correct, you'd feel a lot smarter than you should

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27018534)



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Date: February 5th, 2015 3:28 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line



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Date: April 5th, 2015 8:58 PM
Author: Drab Heady Macaca Personal Credit Line



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Date: April 7th, 2015 8:49 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sadistic den roast beef



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Date: April 7th, 2015 8:59 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle partner bbw



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