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moved my 401k from stock funds into bond funds...thoughts?

hedging against a downturn in the overall stock market...wha...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
how old are you? this is nuts. interest rates will rise,...
Mewling Salmon Location
  03/23/14
have about $160k in stocks in a non-401k brokerage account. ...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
you've got it backwards. you should be more aggressive with ...
yellow ceo stag film
  03/23/14
This is my thought process since I have an extremely long ti...
Titillating University Mexican
  10/14/14
You will be fucked in the A when interest rates rise.
Wine adventurous locale circlehead
  03/23/14
what? this would be good for someone holding bonds
chartreuse resort pistol
  03/23/14
lol
Mewling Salmon Location
  03/23/14
:)
chartreuse resort pistol
  03/23/14
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-fi...
Wine adventurous locale circlehead
  03/23/14
Posting Khan Academy videos to demolish a poaster should be ...
Hideous antidepressant drug
  12/23/14
(xo poa
beady-eyed plum address depressive
  10/14/14
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razzle box office
  10/14/14
key word: HOLDING
Hideous antidepressant drug
  10/14/14
also key: he's not even holding bonds, he's holding a bond f...
beady-eyed plum address depressive
  10/14/14
are you a shitboomer retiring in 5 yrs?
yellow ceo stag film
  03/23/14
no....decades from retirement. just fearful of where the ma...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
the market will beat your shitty bond funds by the time you'...
yellow ceo stag film
  03/23/14
i agree, breh. i will move back into the 401k's stock funds...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
" i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever...
yellow ceo stag film
  03/23/14
cr
White wonderful wrinkle
  03/23/14
Are you seriously 30 years from retirement and churning your...
Hideous antidepressant drug
  03/23/14
just churnign the 401k breh...when i started it i did the ta...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
churn into the s&p
yellow ceo stag film
  03/23/14
Well, the expenses are an important factor. What is the exp...
Hideous antidepressant drug
  03/23/14
exp ratio for target date fund is almost three-quarters perc...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
Well, maybe not the best move, but I can never complain too ...
Low-t tanning salon generalized bond
  03/23/14
guy who thinks you can tell high and low at the time
Odious nibblets
  12/23/14
If you think you can properly time a stock downturn and risi...
White wonderful wrinkle
  03/23/14
well, not saying i can time shit, but keeping $ in the more ...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
CR if you are in your 50's
orange disgusting gunner organic girlfriend
  03/23/14
see, this is where bond funds suck donkey ass. You could ...
Dead Affirmative Action Nursing Home
  03/23/14
initially my idea was just to move most of the 401k into cas...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  03/23/14
the stock market drop you expect would be because interest r...
Ocher electric furnace
  03/23/14
with the recent dump in equities, i moved some money out of ...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  10/14/14
Since 3/23/14: BLV +8.58% VTI -1.37%
multi-colored topaz sneaky criminal
  10/14/14
i'm not a bond master man, but aren't long term bonds the on...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  10/14/14
Yes
multi-colored topaz sneaky criminal
  10/14/14
You are literally doing everything wrong.
chestnut balding laser beams
  10/14/14
you mean, by trying to time the market?
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  10/14/14
Buy oil stocks. $85 oil wont last. This shit is bubble flame...
amber bateful school associate
  10/14/14
Grow a beard
appetizing brethren crotch
  12/23/14
lol
Fragrant Brunch Love Of Her Life
  12/23/14
...
Hideous antidepressant drug
  12/23/14
exhibit 394b, you're honor.
marvelous sanctuary
  12/23/14
Just lol!!!!!
trip national security agency striped hyena
  12/29/14
ROFL
Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car
  12/23/14
Nice bump. Lots of stupidity ITT. If you want low risk/m...
magenta federal theatre factory reset button
  12/23/14
180. S&P tacked on another 12 percent since this post.
Hideous antidepressant drug
  12/23/14
No problem, I'm sure his SHITBONDS did better. LOL
Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car
  12/23/14
...
Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car
  12/23/14
lol at this turkey.
Big snowy state
  12/26/14
jfc
Very Tactful Spectacular Hunting Ground
  12/26/14
OP here-- my 401k is now about 50k in a bond fund and 30k i...
Aquamarine soggy point goal in life
  12/28/14
ROFL
Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car
  12/28/14
dude, there are always reasons to choose bonds over stocks. ...
Odious nibblets
  12/29/14
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  02/05/15
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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:19 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

hedging against a downturn in the overall stock market...what was surprising was that the bond fund has the same expense ratio as the money market fund available under my 401k plan, even though the bond fund will pay comparatively significant interest. any better way to play this out for now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243760)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:21 PM
Author: Mewling Salmon Location

how old are you?

this is nuts. interest rates will rise, and you're gonna be fucked. just make sure you're diversified among equities (small/mid/large, significant international exposure, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243769)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:26 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

have about $160k in stocks in a non-401k brokerage account. just worried about the 401k money sitting there and getting eaten by fees while the market moves sideways or, worse, down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243788)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:28 PM
Author: yellow ceo stag film

you've got it backwards. you should be more aggressive with your 401k than your non-401k because that's money you definitely don't need for decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243795)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:46 PM
Author: Titillating University Mexican

This is my thought process since I have an extremely long time horizon for my retirement accounts. I have a 5-10 yr time horizon for my taxable accounts to buy a house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26518385)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:19 PM
Author: Wine adventurous locale circlehead

You will be fucked in the A when interest rates rise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243763)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: chartreuse resort pistol

what? this would be good for someone holding bonds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243766)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:21 PM
Author: Mewling Salmon Location

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243770)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:22 PM
Author: chartreuse resort pistol

:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243777)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:22 PM
Author: Wine adventurous locale circlehead

https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/stock-and-bonds/bonds-tutorial/v/relationship-between-bond-prices-and-interest-rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243779)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:51 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug

Posting Khan Academy videos to demolish a poaster should be more widespread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987080)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:00 PM
Author: beady-eyed plum address depressive

(xo poa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517709)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:07 PM
Author: razzle box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26518122)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:03 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug

key word: HOLDING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517727)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:05 PM
Author: beady-eyed plum address depressive

also key: he's not even holding bonds, he's holding a bond fund

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517734)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: yellow ceo stag film

are you a shitboomer retiring in 5 yrs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243767)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

no....decades from retirement. just fearful of where the market will go. most of the stock funds in the plan have expense ratios greater than 1%. have about $60k in the plan..what kind of fund would you keep it in right now>?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243783)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:27 PM
Author: yellow ceo stag film

the market will beat your shitty bond funds by the time you're old. do you have a cheap fund or any sort of index fund?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243791)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

i agree, breh. i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever depending on what happens in the market in the short term (if it ever corrects, ect). the only cheap (expense ratio less than a half-percent) stock fund in the 401k plan is an sp500 index, which i dont think i want to be into right now. see above re my equity holdings outside the 401k (which include about 20k of vanguard international stock index fund).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243802)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:34 PM
Author: yellow ceo stag film

" i will move back into the 401k's stock funds whenever depending on what happens in the market in the short term (if it ever corrects, ect)."

dont play games like this. what if it keeps appreciating? you might lose 5-10% more gains. and then you're going to buy back at even higher? you're not going to time the market.

"the only cheap (expense ratio less than a half-percent) stock fund in the 401k plan is an sp500 index, which i dont think i want to be into right now. "

well, it's better than anything else in your 401k. get back in that and let it do what it do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243821)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: White wonderful wrinkle

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243860)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug

Are you seriously 30 years from retirement and churning your portfolio 100 percent between bonds and equities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243855)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:45 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

just churnign the 401k breh...when i started it i did the target date fund and then started to think more expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243878)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:49 PM
Author: yellow ceo stag film

churn into the s&p

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243893)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug

Well, the expenses are an important factor. What is the expense ratio in the target date funds?

But market timing is insane for a non-professional. You may be incurring fees too for moving around like that. You should set up automatic balancing and be in the S&P index fund at least 50 percent.

If you're worried about a market drop just accumulate cash. Churning like this is a bad idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243908)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:57 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

exp ratio for target date fund is almost three-quarters percent (3 times the bond fund)...that would be inaddition to the expenses of the underlying funds held in the target date fund, i would think. afaik there are no extra costs for getting into and out of these particular funds in the 401k...some of the actively managed funds do have transaction fees and lockout periods but those funds have 1%+ expense rations so i've never considered them seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243933)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: Low-t tanning salon generalized bond

Well, maybe not the best move, but I can never complain too much about someone who sells high. The absolutely inexplicable morons are the people who sell low after the market has crashed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243780)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:03 PM
Author: Odious nibblets

guy who thinks you can tell high and low at the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988674)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:27 PM
Author: White wonderful wrinkle

If you think you can properly time a stock downturn and rising interest rates, go for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243792)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:32 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

well, not saying i can time shit, but keeping $ in the more expensive stock funds available under my 401k plan while the overall market stagnates is going to result in lower net returns by virtue of the significant spread in fund expenses (>1% for most of the stock funds vs. the bond fund)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243811)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: orange disgusting gunner organic girlfriend

CR if you are in your 50's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243803)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 1:31 PM
Author: Dead Affirmative Action Nursing Home

see, this is where bond funds suck donkey ass.

You could put your money into a basket of short term bonds if you knew what you were doing (even though its a difficult task and is risky for unlearned investors)and gotten the principal back in one or two years after they mature and hopefully you would have been able to ride out a period of extreme volitility.

but with the bond funds its a little more risky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243806)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

initially my idea was just to move most of the 401k into cash equivalent -- money market fund -- but i realized that the MM had the same damn expenses (with virtually no interest) as the bond fund. seems like the collective xo wisdom is just to get it back into the least expensive stock fund in the plan, which is an s&p index, and let it do what it do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25243964)



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Date: March 23rd, 2014 2:20 PM
Author: Ocher electric furnace

the stock market drop you expect would be because interest rates rise. so no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#25244065)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:25 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

with the recent dump in equities, i moved some money out of the bond fund into the S&P500 index fubnd. guess i'm where i would have been if i had put everything in the index fund in march

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517469)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:55 PM
Author: multi-colored topaz sneaky criminal

Since 3/23/14:

BLV +8.58%

VTI -1.37%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517674)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 9:57 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

i'm not a bond master man, but aren't long term bonds the ones most likely to get fucked when rates go back up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517688)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:19 PM
Author: multi-colored topaz sneaky criminal

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517787)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:17 PM
Author: chestnut balding laser beams

You are literally doing everything wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517779)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 10:45 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

you mean, by trying to time the market?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26517969)



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Date: October 14th, 2014 11:09 PM
Author: amber bateful school associate

Buy oil stocks. $85 oil wont last. This shit is bubble flame.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-13/u-dot-s-dot-oil-prices-are-dropping-but-drilling-is-more-expensive

I especially love the idea that oil is off because of Libyan production. That country is imploding they will hit 300k barrels before they ever hit a million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26518131)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:26 PM
Author: appetizing brethren crotch

Grow a beard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986933)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 4:22 PM
Author: Fragrant Brunch Love Of Her Life

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987580)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 5:47 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987984)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:53 PM
Author: marvelous sanctuary

exhibit 394b, you're honor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988612)



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Date: December 29th, 2014 4:46 PM
Author: trip national security agency striped hyena

Just lol!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27018520)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:18 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car

ROFL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986915)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:25 PM
Author: magenta federal theatre factory reset button

Nice bump. Lots of stupidity ITT.

If you want low risk/moderate returns, buy high dividend ETFs. Going into bonds when prime is 0.XX% is suicide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26986930)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 2:52 PM
Author: Hideous antidepressant drug

180. S&P tacked on another 12 percent since this post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987087)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 4:03 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car

No problem, I'm sure his SHITBONDS did better. LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26987471)



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Date: December 23rd, 2014 6:13 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#26988187)



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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:16 PM
Author: Big snowy state

lol at this turkey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27000476)



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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:48 PM
Author: Very Tactful Spectacular Hunting Ground

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27000643)



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Date: December 28th, 2014 5:48 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life

OP here--

my 401k is now about 50k in a bond fund and 30k in the S&P500 index fund. i churned back into the S&P on dips.

yes i would have been better off just putting it all in the S&P earlier this year.

i still think there was some reasonable basis to treat the bond fund in the 401k as a place to store dry powder in the event of a major decline in the equities markets. i concede that if interest rates go up that may trigger declines in stocks and bonds, but there could be scenarios where equities decline and bonds are steady or increase in value, aren't there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27012358)



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Date: December 28th, 2014 5:49 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car

ROFL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27012366)



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Date: December 29th, 2014 4:51 PM
Author: Odious nibblets

dude, there are always reasons to choose bonds over stocks. the market is very efficient when it comes to valuations of these things, particularly in aggregate. had you been correct, you'd feel a lot smarter than you should

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27018534)



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Date: February 5th, 2015 3:28 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car



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Date: April 5th, 2015 8:58 PM
Author: Sickened arousing ladyboy stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27627261)



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Date: April 7th, 2015 8:49 PM
Author: Aquamarine soggy point goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27643916)



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Date: April 7th, 2015 8:59 PM
Author: razzle box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2525167&forum_id=2#27643993)