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Date: December 22nd, 2014 2:43 AM Author: razzmatazz brass library
Here's the format for this thread: each new post will be a lib myth, and the replies are to be evidence against that myth. I'm starting with the myths, and I'll fill in some evidence/counterarguments. I invite you to participate with myths and evidence.
First lib myth: "Poverty is a better predictor for crime than race. / Blacks aren't genetically more violent."
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Date: December 22nd, 2014 4:24 AM Author: razzmatazz brass library
Indeed, the race/crime correlation so substantially exceeds the poverty/crime relationship that much of the latter may simply be a statistical artifact due to most urban blacks being poor. Consider that both blacks and Hispanics currently have similar national poverty rates in the one-third range, more than double the white figure, and each constitutes well over 20% of our urban population. However, major cities with substantial poverty but few blacks usually tend to have far lower levels of crime. For example, El Paso and Atlanta are comparable in size and have similar poverty rates, but the latter has eight times the robbery rate and over ten times the homicide rate. Within California, Oakland approximately matches Santa Ana in size and poverty, but has several times the rate of crime. Thus, it seems plausible that removing the black population from our calculation might actually reduce the residual poverty/crime correlation for non-blacks to a moderate or even a low figure.
http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/
http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/two-genes-found-linked-to-tendency-for-violent-crime-9824061.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A
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Date: December 22nd, 2014 4:40 PM Author: razzmatazz brass library
The main problem here, of course, is that libs think "the economy" is some kind of independent entity. A better way to look at this in economic terms is, "Will letting in immigrants increase per-capita GDP for the people already in a country." i.e. Why should we let people in--is it good for us?
See extensive discussion on the economics here: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_21_2/index.shtml
Cost of unlawful immigration to taxpayers: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer
Immigration is really about two things: population increase and population change. Population increase from our already crowded levels is probably bad, but if you want to argue that population increase is good for the economy, why not promote higher birth rates for the existing population first?
Whether population change is good or not depends mainly on the human capital of the immigrants. Unfortunately most immigrants in modern times are not high human capital people. http://books.google.com/books/about/IQ_and_Immigration_Policy.html?id=KvaMQwAACAAJ
This myth is only about economics, but other factors like what immigration does to crime, social cohesion, and politics are highly relevant as well. Another factor to consider:
"The genetic distance between English and Bantu is so great that, on the face of it, competition between them would make within-group altruism among random English (or among random Bantu) almost as adaptive as parent-child altruism, if the altruism were in the service of that competition. Thus it would appear to be more adaptive for an Englishman to risk life or property resisting the immigration of two Bantu immigrants to England than his taking the same risk to rescue one of his own children from drowning, unless the immigrants were bringing qualities of such economic value that they would permanently raise the Island’s carrying capacity. The same applies in the reverse direction, two Englishmen migrating to Bantu Africa constitute a greater loss of long-term genetic interest than does a random Bantu losing a child."
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/saltermigration1.pdf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2763688&forum_id=2#26981428) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2014 5:26 AM Author: razzmatazz brass library
http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
"The Color of Crime
Race, Crime, and Justice in America — Second, Expanded Edition, 2005
Major Findings:
Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely."
Plus:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
http://www.nj.com/starledger/specialprojects/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/012906_essexmurder.html
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Date: July 9th, 2016 7:26 PM Author: razzmatazz brass library
Date: July 9th, 2016 6:53 PM
Author: Padre preocupado aqui
I hate to spam - but libs still won't respond to my summary of the criminology research:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
Recognizing that research on criminal justice processing in the United States is complex and fraught with methodological problems, the weight of the evidence reviewed suggests the following. When restricted to index crimes, dozens of individual-level studies have shown that a simple direct influence of race on pretrial release, plea bargaining, conviction, sentence length, and the death penalty among adults is small to nonexistent once legally relevant variables (e.g. prior record) are controlled. For these crimes, racial differentials in sanctioning appear to match the large racial differences in criminal offending. Findings on the processing of adult index crimes therefore generally support the non-discrimination thesis.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418820400095741
http://www.umass.edu/legal/Benavides/Spring2005/397G/Readings%20397G%20Spring%202005/5%20Sampson%20Lauritsen.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1147431
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=53887
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/799813?uid=16785200&uid=3739728&uid=2&uid=3&uid=67&uid=16754504&uid=62&uid=3739256&sid=21104653990711
https://www.ncjrs.gov/app/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=103011
http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/04/15/qje.qjs014.full
Police records consistently show that black people are arrested at disproportionally high rates (compared to their presence in the population) for violent crimes. For example, blacks are arrested eight times more often for homicide and fourteen times more often for robbery. Even less flashy crimes show the same pattern: forgery, fraud, and embezzlement all hover around a relative risk of four.
(White people are arrested at disproportionally high rates for things like driving drunk, and Asians are arrested at disproportionally high rates for things like illegal gambling, but these carry lower sentences and are less likely to lead to incarceration.)
Once again, there are two possible hypotheses here: either police are biased, or black people actually commit these crimes at higher rates than other groups.
The second hypothesis has been strongly supported by crime victimization surveys, which show that the percent of arrestees who are black matches very closely matches the percent of victims who say their assailant was black. This has been constant throughout across thirty years of crime victmization surveys.
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