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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:11 AM Author: Obsidian Temple T20 law grad. Ivy UG in Econ. Didn't get Biglaw offer after 2L and considered dropping out.. but got a tech consulting gig before graduation via networking.
Worked at a large tech consulting firm for several years, doing tech implementation consulting. Recently got a job as a data analyst at a large tech firm, doing tasks such as analyzing data using SQL queries, Excel VBA, etc.
As a law grad working in a very non-law related field, I'm willing to take any questions. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:20 AM Author: aromatic shrine how was assventure man?
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:26 AM Author: Obsidian Temple haha. I really hated my last job / company. The work I did in that role was pure dead-end.
I really do have a lot of sympathy for IT consultants.
The work I do now is a lot more interesting and technical. Now I actually get to use my brain at work, which used to be frowned upon at my last job. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:28 AM Author: aromatic shrine but you rinse and repeat, and it's guaranteed salary increases.
strategy is where it is at. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:34 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I do have a lot of respect for strategy consultants, especially at top firms such as MBB, Oliver, or LEK.
Some of the smartest guys I've ever met are strategy consultants.
I really wanted to do Strat consulting real bad, and considered doing top10 MBA to break in, but thought the cost of doing it, especially after wasting my early 20's on crap JD, was a little too much trouble.
That being said, my current job is not too bad, compared to what I did before. I literally thought I was going brain DEAD being an IT consultant. You go travel to random places, talk with morons (clients) to get requirements, set IT up, test, and repeat. Worst job ever.
Now I actually get to do some type of 'analysis' - pulling & manipulating data using SQL, join tables, automate spreadsheet using Excel VBA, derive insights from the data I analyzed, present my work to the firm's partners & directors. I feel reborn. Goes to show that the first job out of school doesn't define your career. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: aromatic shrine Yea, but us strategy consultants flame out. Definitely the best bet for finding that chill in-house corp job though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999146) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:45 AM Author: Obsidian Temple You work at MBB? If so, mad jelly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999179) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:46 AM Author: aromatic shrine yea. BCG. about to leave though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999191) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:48 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water where to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999197) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:49 AM Author: aromatic shrine in-house gig at google (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999200) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:49 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water fuck this is what i want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999205) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:51 AM Author: Obsidian Temple What role? In-house strategy?
Btw, what does in-house strategy work comprise of? Does a company really have the demand for in-house strategy employee? |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:53 AM Author: aromatic shrine shit ton of ex-MBBs at google in house.
https://www.google.com/about/careers/teams/business-strategy/
Basically same shit as MBB but without the travel and chiller hours. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:55 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Good for you man. I REALLY wanted to do strategy consulting work.
I hate being a back office office drone with no grasp of corp strategy. Should I consider doing a top MBA? I considered doing it but thought it was too expensive... |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:56 AM Author: aromatic shrine no way is an MBA worth it full price. try to get into a second tier shop like Deloitte and get that MBA paid for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999222) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:58 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I tried to get into Mgmt Consulting division of my old firm, to no avail. Even Deloitte S&O (Mgmt Consulting arm) has very strict recruiting channel: they still only recruit from top MBA's.
I guess it's better to remain in my job and keep working rather than going to top 10 MBA full price for a shot at MBB / Strategy Consulting? |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:01 AM Author: aromatic shrine doesn't Deloitte tech division sponsor MBAs? It's a shitty gamble going to a full pay top MBA (landing with massive debt) and shooting for a non-guaranteed MBB position. Maybe aim for a cheaper top masters else where. Stanford Management Science and engineering masters for instance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999232) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:09 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Good point. Yeah, I think I should console myself with the notion that the boat for doing Strategy-type work has sailed. Going 200k in debt for that MBA just to break into MBB.. just too risky.
Even if I get MBB after MBA, the pay is like 160k. I make 135k now, so going the MBA route will set me back big time in term of finances...
I guess I should console myself with the idea that I got out of that shit job known as IT consulting. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:22 AM Author: Wonderful ruby potus step-uncle's house Keep that job and be happy for it man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999640) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:23 AM Author: self-absorbed pozpig cr, sounds like he should stay for now. i know top MBA grads who didn't have a clear idea of what they wanted to do and would have been in a better spot had they just stayed at their previous job, done a part time degree, or hustled for something else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600235) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:45 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water are you in strat consulting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999181) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 11:16 AM Author: Fuchsia flickering office toaster How self-actualized do you feel?
do you like it better than your prior legal jobs? |
Date: December 26th, 2014 1:12 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night How do you go from Ivy --> TTT? What were your SAT and LSAT? |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:13 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Good question.
My SAT was 1420 out of 1600. My LSAT was 169. I didn't get T14 since my UG GPA was 3.1, which was garbage. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:34 AM Author: Umber boistinker electric furnace why'd u have such a shit ugpa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999141) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:37 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I was just lazy in college. My high school was super easy and handed out A's like they hand out candies on Halloween. I just thought college was an extension of high school and I got screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999147) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:37 AM Author: Umber boistinker electric furnace how'd u get a decent SAT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999148) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:40 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I just studied for it like 2 months and took it. After getting a decent score, didn't bother re-taking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999157) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:20 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night your SAT is good, but not IVY good. what were your HOOKS to make you cop ivy? or did you matriculate ages ago when it was less competitive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999266) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:34 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Haha, no. I just turned 30, so it's not like I graduated from college ages ago.
I played lots of sports in high school. Varsity basketball captain at my school. (point guard) Varsity baseball team captain. (3rd base)
Plus, I did a bunch of bullshit community service, soup kitchens, you name it. I guess all of these helped me get into my UG.
That being said, an IVY UG is no good at all unless you get 3.7+ GPA, if you major in Econ / social sciences. Top jobs (finance, mgmt consulting, etc) only go to the top kids. Most others settle for mediocre jobs or go to grad school, which isn't much of an improvement from lower-ranked colleges. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:58 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night 30 is old man. the activities you listed tell me how far removed you are from current college application pools. ivys don't even care for sports/ECs unless you're recognized on at least a state level. i was varsity football captain, had a bunch of meaningless offices (student council, national honor society, latin honor society, etc) and bullshit ECs with a 1520 SAT and i got dingfagged everywhere. didn't apply to cornell or PEnn tho. had no HOOK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999377) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 3:53 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus lol a turdskin as a varsity football captain))) stfu loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999484) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:07 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night wtf boor i was backing u up ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999755) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:23 AM Author: Mauve Filthy Mother kill yourself jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999642) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:07 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night you've confused jjc with me, jjc trolls for grad school admissions and thinks UG admissions are a joke. but anyone who's been thru it recently knows how capricious ug admissions are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999754) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 10:01 PM Author: charismatic point I was college 03-04 cycle, so roughly his, and my friends and I mostly had 1460+ SATs, 760-800 SAT IIs, and 3.5ish UW GPAs and only about half of us made it to an ivy, it was not that easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002584) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:48 AM Author: Wonderful ruby potus step-uncle's house 1420 got you Cornell and shit back in the day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600415) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:12 AM Author: Arousing double fault macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999050) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:15 AM Author: Obsidian Temple 135k base. My boss told me I would get up to 15-20% bonus off my base salary depending on my annual review, but I haven't verified that claim yet since I've been here less than a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999070) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:47 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams lol nigga (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27010901) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:13 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water seems better than being a lolyer, but still, fuck man why lolskool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999054) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:17 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Coming out of college, I didn't have any legit job offer lined up. I was just extremely lazy, didn't really study, and didn't make any effort to line up internships while in college.
I just figured going to a decent ranked law school would get me onto a high-paying career with least resistance. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:22 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water ....that is the laziest fucking thing i have ever heard.
loan amount? |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:24 AM Author: Obsidian Temple 120k after law school. Paid all of it within 4 years since I started working.
I just lived in a dump of a place for a while and didn't buy anything nice. It can be done. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:25 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water I'm not saying it can't.
I'm kind of a miser.
I'm just in awe at your sloth and stupidity. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:25 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus thats what i shouldve done instead of med school. i'd be dressed like a champ right now, going on winter vacation with a dime piece from russia. instead i have to spend an ER shift with subhumans. and i dont even get paid for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999111) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:28 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Dude. You a med school student?
Trust me. You have it better than me. Doctor > all other bros, except high-finance ballers.
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:29 AM Author: big blood rage if you're working for someone else you've already lost (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999130) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:31 AM Author: aromatic shrine this. best path is to have a start up that you help grow on the side until it becomes sustainable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999133) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:30 AM Author: aromatic shrine nah, bro. med fucking sucks. Consulting (non-IT), Finance, VC, tech, is where it is at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999132) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:40 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre Anything where you have to travel is the literal worst fucking job ever. If you disagree, you're a friendless loser who will die alone and no one will be at your funeral. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999158) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:41 AM Author: aromatic shrine wow man, your life fucking sucks ass. Not all consulting is travel once you've made the requisite level. It was enjoyable to travel the globe though with accumulated points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999163) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:42 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre No. My life is fucking 180 because I don't have to travel all the time. I'm just trying to share the gospel with people who don't have any legit life experience because they spend all their time chasing money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999167) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:43 AM Author: aromatic shrine lol, your life was over before you knew it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999171) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:45 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre My life isn't over, but i don't feel like arguing about this with you. Sorry I couldn't save you from yourself. Have a happy new year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999178) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:46 AM Author: aromatic shrine your life is over bro. sucks. See you when I consult hospitals to fire your ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999190) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:48 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre I think you're confusing me with someone else. I'm not a doctor. That being said, consulting for hospitals sounds awful. Enjoy doctors refusing to treat you one day in the town you settle in since they all know you helped their friends get fired. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 10:04 PM Author: charismatic point I dated an MBB partner who owns a $4.5+ m loft in MFH and it rocked because she was only there on the weekends. They all travel a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002598) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:33 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus false. i am already older than u, and probably aged like someone who worked twice as long. i'll never catch up with someone who was making $100k starting at 21. with that salary u could potentially move out of the u.s. and "consult" by the time u're 30. essentially retire. i'll still be making less $$ than a fucking nurse for the next 5+ yrs of residency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999137) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:35 AM Author: aromatic shrine why 5? isn't it 4 (and maybe 2 years for a fellowship)?
yea, med fucking sucks. 150k after all that bullshit + crushing debt. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:39 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus u sound like a dumb filippino. every residency is different length. the real fact of the matter is that most med people are married before they start and definitely before they finish residency. so it's basically some filipino or a fellow med student. they dont get to have normal friends, hang out with normal ivyleague grads, or even travel to europe and find someone on your own level. medicine is a lifestyle like orthodox jewry. u at some point realize that u fucked up by joining the club, but then it's too late to exit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999154) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:40 AM Author: aromatic shrine lol, sorry you fucked up bro. My roommate at columbia med was asking about switching into MBB too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999156) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:42 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus must suck to have a face that only a mother could love. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999166) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:44 AM Author: aromatic shrine sorry, bro. clients would pay to get you the fuck out the room. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999174) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:54 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus how about getting a gf dorkface? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999219) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:02 AM Author: aromatic shrine have a fiance bro. posting on here because she's sleeping and i'm chillin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999234) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:42 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre "isn't it 4" Residency length is different for different specialties and different locations. My wife's is seven (but that includes two years of pure research). |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:45 AM Author: aromatic shrine I thought the differentiations occurred afterwards at the fellowship level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999183) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:47 AM Author: thriller rusted theatre Most fellowships are 2 yrs across the board. Everyone I know through my wife who did a fellowship did 2 except a few who did 3 yr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999194) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus u know if i ask my parents to buy me a bmw at my graduation they'll tell me "but we paid for your school and we drive more modest cars, why do u need a bmw?" , so i cant even get a bmw. fucking personal trainers have a bmw by the time they are my age. and when u become a computer programmer or whatever profession u become, it's so u dont have to interact with low-lives like some cop. but as a dr, i get to interact with low lives even more than a cop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999145) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:37 AM Author: aromatic shrine yea, but can they actually afford one? A lot of proles buy bimmers for the image when they are living beyond their means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999149) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:41 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus of course my parents can afford it. but theyre cheap. they dont even like to spend money on themselves. i think my mom is depressed or disturbed and so their social development over the past 10yrs has halted and went into senile decline. anybody who makes even $50k/yr can buy a bmw after a few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999161) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:43 AM Author: aromatic shrine I'm talking about "fucking personal trainers have a bmw by the time they are my age"
Disclosure, I just bought a bimmer and it took me a while to save up for one (comfortably). It was something I wanted for a while though (not a POS entry one) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:47 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus whats considered a good one? how about leasing vs buying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999193) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:49 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Anything other than BMW 3series or 1series or whatever they're called, I think is legit.
If I had the cash, I would go for M3. My friend has one and I drove it once. It was just amazing. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:51 AM Author: aromatic shrine lol bro. same wave lengths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999208) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:49 AM Author: aromatic shrine just got the new M3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999204) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:48 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus actually in russia Gallendewagens are considered most alpha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999198) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:48 AM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water you sound absurdly entitled (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999199) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:42 AM Author: Bateful windowlicker locus u sound like a medicaid nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999332) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 3:03 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999393) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:13 AM Author: Hyperventilating Violent School Cafeteria Keepsake Machete Never stop poasting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999627) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 12:38 PM Author: Marvelous Gaped Shitlib Space he sounds genuinely mentally ill. terrifying to think people's actual lives are in his hands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27000066) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:28 AM Author: big blood rage sounds fucking terrible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999123) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 1:43 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I actually think that working as a lawyer is worse than working as a technical analyst at a large company.
Lawyer = you read some shit, and write endless memos / drafts about petty shit. You learn no skill from working at a law firm, except how to write, hence, have low job stability.
As a data analyst with skills in Excel, SQL, R, etc, I get recruiter calls at least twice a week begging me to interview with other firms. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:44 AM Author: misanthropic razzle-dazzle plaza Do you work w/ Hadoop? What technologies power your enterprise data warehouse?
I'm surprised your pay is so high if you aren't using Hadoop. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 1:15 PM Author: iridescent den he didn't even mention R in the OP - just driving insight through the magic of pivot tables (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27011139) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 7:57 AM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams oh what high end skills (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999583) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:12 AM Author: big blood rage come on bro, any baby can write Excel and SQL scripts and i doubt you're actually building systems in R. those are TTT as fuck "skills" and i'd be embarrassed to put "excel" on my resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999759) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:24 AM Author: Obsidian Temple No you're wrong. When I was interviewing for this job, I had two rounds of SQL on-site exams and I passed. It wasn't joke. My boss told me only 20% or so of the first round interview invitees passed the exams.
Writing simple sql query is a world of difference from understanding database structures and being able to manipulate data via complex t-sql queries in sql server or oracle.
Same deal with excel. I met a ton of corporate people who can't even do index / match function properly or make an appropriate pivot table.
But hey, if you feel so confident in your abilities, why not go out and get one of these data analyst gigs yourself? The work is much more interesting than working as a doc-review slave (lawyer) and the pay is no slouch either. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:26 AM Author: big blood rage im not a lawyer, i build and license the software plebs like you use on a daily basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999783) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:33 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Haha. That sucks man. I don't sell anything at my job. Since you think you are capable, may I suggest a career change for you. Software sales is pure dead end, my friend.
My job is about 60% data analysis (excel, R, SaaS, sql)
40% meetings / presentations with the directors / partners at the firm
It's actually really intersting gig where I get to build a mix of technical and soft skills. Much better than my old job. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:35 AM Author: big blood rage im an engineer you clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999808) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Ugh, still sucks. Can't imagine working as an engineer.
I enjoy human interaction too much to work as an engineer. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:52 AM Author: Sadistic rigpig corn cake Jfc, no wonder you have such a dogshit personality. Stop poasting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999884) |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:29 PM Author: iridescent den titcr
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:43 AM Author: self-absorbed pozpig actually being good/fast with excel and knowing some sort of programming language aren't as common as you'd think. i was unemployed a few years ago and was surprised how easy it would have been to get some sort of 60k job with those skills alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600365) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:44 AM Author: concupiscible voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600373) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 3:03 AM Author: dun odious queen of the night boor pwning souls itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999395) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:13 AM Author: Hyperventilating Violent School Cafeteria Keepsake Machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999629) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 7:55 AM Author: Zippy scarlet garrison stock car I could be wrong, but I imagine that job as sitting in a cubicle farm, 8:30-5:30, creating spreadsheets all day, for 75k a year.
That sounds incredibly depressing. Wouldn't you be sad doing some ministerial job all day, never building anything, being entirely average? |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:14 AM Author: Hyperventilating Violent School Cafeteria Keepsake Machete You're wrong. He makes twice that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999631) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:19 AM Author: Zippy scarlet garrison stock car That seems surprising. Either way, still seems like a depressing existence where you end up hating life, unless your thrive on that hamster wheel shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999771) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:49 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams nope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27010915) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:27 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Hey, I actually enjoy putting together excel models using formulas. I find it interesting and fun, tbh.
Much more interesting than being a MS word doc review slave, aka lawyer.
I swear going to law school was THE WORST decision of my life. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 8:20 AM Author: narrow-minded pocket flask this is a good salary for this type of work.. what general location are you? (Ca, Northeast, etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999590) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:28 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I'm based out of northeast, although my company's headquarter is in CA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999787) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:25 AM Author: Mauve Filthy Mother lol fanatic never not being the most azn poster ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999643) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:31 AM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams data analyst is normally a monkey job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999650) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:16 AM Author: mind-boggling frozen azn Cr. When I was in industry, this work was handled by a 22yo with no degree. We paid him about $40k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999763) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:35 AM Author: Obsidian Temple I don't care if my company would hire a college drop out for the role im doing. (Which it won't)
As long as I make the right money doing interesting-enough work, that's all that matters, my friend. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:37 AM Author: big blood rage bro if you really consider building excel spreadsheets "interesting work" there's no way you have an IQ above 105 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999814) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:41 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Don't really care for my IQ. I'd rather get compliments on my looks (which I get plenty of). My life priority is to make good money, do intersting-enough work, and slay hot chicks left and right.
I wasn't exactly the brightest guy in college. But hey, I'm now making 135k base despite my lowly IQ!! |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:42 AM Author: big blood rage alright man ill give you props for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999839) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:41 AM Author: irradiated twinkling yarmulke you sound jelly as fuck, breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999836) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: big blood rage lol ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999845) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: irradiated twinkling yarmulke (response of a sub-100 IQ retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999846) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:45 AM Author: big blood rage a shit-talking quotemo, how fucking novel!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999854) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:46 AM Author: irradiated twinkling yarmulke get back to work, faggot. daddy needs some royalties (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999855) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 11:53 AM Author: big blood rage lol i'm not working until jan 5th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#26999885) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Anyone thinking a job as a data analyst @ F500 tech firm is a boring monkey work is delusional. I worked as an IT consultant at Deloitte / Accenture / IBM before and the work I do now is 100 times more interesting / challenging than my last job. On my last job, I didn't even get to use excel much at all. Most people I worked with at my last job wouldn't even know how to write IF statemtents in Excel, much less being able to write high end VBA codes. A lot of the corporate clients that I worked with from my consulting days were even more technically illiterate than that. (Hence the reason they hired us to do work for them)
All I'm saying is 90% of corporate jobs out there are bullshit gigs that just need warm bodies to handle mindless, garbage-level work, where you have no hope of doing anything interesting / challenging, or actually getting to use your brain.
I realized my last job as IT consultant was dead end and began to learn skills on my own. (Excel, sql, R) Then I did side projects where I used these skills, to gain hands on experience. Then I networked, got an interview, and conquered.
My message to the bros stuck in mindless, boring, shitty jobs: work on building a marketable skill-set and get some experience in those areas, then get the fuck out ASAP. Believe me, I feel 10 times happier working at a more interesting job now compared to before.
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: ebony base I though Data Analyst is for people who couldn't finish a CS degree and then do bullshit like information systems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27000635) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:54 PM Author: Obsidian Temple CS grads become programmers primarily.
Data analyst at a large reputable firm - the focus is not on 'programming', rather, it's 'leveraging technology' to acquire, assemble, analyze data relevant to the company's bottom line. 40% of my job entails meeting with directors / partners at my firm from different department, where I help them with ad hoc data analysis and thus help them shape corporate strategy.
If your heart and passion lie within 'building things' then go become a software engineer.
If you are more business-minded person that enjoys setting up corporate strategy using data analysis, being a data analyst would be a good choice. |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: thriller rusted theatre "high end VBA codes" lol |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:26 PM Author: big blood rage seriously. Lol at this retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002461) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: Sadistic rigpig corn cake Did you get any certifications? What kind of side projects did you (or could someone) use to prove themselves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27000652) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:14 PM Author: Obsidian Temple I didn't bother with any certs. They're not really helpful when you don't have the relevant work experience.
I learned basic crap about Excel, SQL, and R using on-line guides as well as text books, and practicing them with sample data when I had free time. I continued this cycle for about a year.
I got into touch with multiple head-hunters in my city and had coffee chats on my desire to change careers. Then a couple of opportunity came up where I could work for a start-up as a part-time data analysis employee, after my regular work hours on weekdays, and on weekends. I worked for free for first several months on this 'side project', and treated it as more or less a year-around off-cycle internship. I did this for about 8 months, then got the interview at the company I'm at now, and jumped ship.
Employers are very hesitant to even give you a first round interview unless you have hands-on experience on the skills you are selling. You can be the technical-skill-set master of the world, but if you don't have the work experience to show for it, employers won't care to read into your resume. I recommend just taking baby steps, where you learn skills that interest you and then trying to do some side projects, even for free.
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Date: December 26th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: Zippy scarlet garrison stock car Your flame about a cubicle spreadsheet job being interesting jumped the shark with this post, brother. You need to walk a fine line between keeping it believable and pretending that it's fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27000685) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:06 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Dude. Have you ever worked a job? like ever?
The sad reality as I point out above is that the vast majority of corporate jobs out there, especially ones available for fresh grads, are dog-shit gigs where using your brain is frowned upon.
Your anti-spreadsheet sentiment is troubling; since most of legitimate corporate jobs rely heavily on your ability to use Excel like a champion. Last time I heard, my college friends working in BB IBD or Hedge fund in NYC told me that like 80% of their job is 'modeling data in Excel'.
At any rate, everything is relative, my friend. I realize people that work in MBB consulting or equity research at a hedge fund do more interesting / challenging / financially awarding work than I do. But, hell man, my job beats the shit out of my last job, or the majority of 'regular-joe' corp jobs out there, in terms of caliber of work, skill-set growth, and comp.
I used to be angry and depressed at my last job, since it was boring as shit where the most interesting part of the job was talking to moron clients to get their 'requirements' and write shit up in MS Word. One time my coworker called me out after work and asked why I looked so depressed. My reply: "This job fucking sucks." Thankfully, I quit just 2 months after I said that.
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:31 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams what do u actually do as a "data analyst"? that job title normally means doing data imports/exports for ur it systems and trivial excel/sql reporting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001079) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:32 PM Author: Curious milky parlor boiling water he's basically a step below internal consulting, it's pretty 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001084) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:47 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Just how a 'lawyer' can do different job from other 'lawyers', depending on where the person works at (Biglaw, Shit-law, F500 In-house, government), the same holds true for the majority of other jobs.
'Financial Analyst', 'Data Analyst', 'Business Analyst', 'Consultant', whatever mean very different jobs / skills / experience, depending on the organization that you work at.
Thus, the necessity to really pay attention to the whole job description, not just the job title when considering an offer. |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:31 PM Author: iridescent den pls describe in detail some of your typical tasks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27008342) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:36 PM Author: Zippy scarlet garrison stock car Yes, I've worked a job. I'm. Lawyer, and I hate it. I feel like a cog in a machine. But then I read your job description and actually feel better because I'm less of a cog than you and at least sometimes what I do SOUNDS interesting to other people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001099) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:45 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Haha. you a lawyer?
I guess you are one of those rare breeds that enjoys working with MS Word more than MS Excel, if given the choice.
I choose the latter. But I won't blame you for choosing the former. To each his own. |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:47 AM Author: self-absorbed pozpig nothing the OP is saying is all taht far fetched or unbelievable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600406) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:08 PM Author: insecure vengeful dragon rehab WE GET IT U MAED IT EVERY SINGLE POST IN THIS FUCKING THREAD IS THE SAME:
1. Address person above
2. Compare/contrast YOUR job to ORDINARY jobs
3. Relate back to how SHITTY life was or COULD have been
4. Fake ass platitudes about how others can maek it
5. LOL soooo glad I am successful now!
fucking narcissistic cunt go swallow some poison and then make an excel model out of your dying last few minutes |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:17 PM Author: Obsidian Temple No. Reading Comp fail.
What I am trying to address is that gaining 'essential' 'foundational' skills, such as even Excel, is VERY important for the majority of legit corp. jobs.
Some people here refuse to believe it, but hey whatever I don't care.
I'm comparing my current job with my old job and coming up with the bold claim that you shouldn't stick with a shitty job you hate. If you hate your job for whatever reason, pick up some skills and get the fuck out, is what I'm trying to say.
If you don't like reading my comments in this thread, get the fuck out now. No one is forcing you to read it.
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:49 PM Author: irradiated twinkling yarmulke tbf, you do come off like an insufferable aspie faggot ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001153) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 4:51 PM Author: Obsidian Temple I appreciate your candor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001159) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 5:16 PM Author: multi-colored azure incel ratface Briefly compare and contrast derived and temp tables in TSQL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27001268) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:21 PM Author: galvanic pisswyrm legal warrant meh sounds SPS. i hate excel. i'd actually rather look at documents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002434) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 9:33 PM Author: Mint Contagious Whorehouse Salary seems fine. What is the career track for something like that? Either way, already doing much better than median lawyer salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002491) |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:43 PM Author: Obsidian Temple My boss's title is 'Data Analytics Manager'. His boss's job title is 'Director, Business Operations & Analytics'
I also get LinkedIn recruiter mails once in a while for opportunity to interview for F500 'in-house consulting' or 'in-house strategy analyst' type positions.
Proven work experience in analyzing data and presenting such data to the firm's leadership (directors & above), IMO, is a marketable selling-point for various types of positions, from my experience.
I notice how many posters here look down at Excel-related skills. But hey, I would argue that being able to use Excel is arguably the most important fundamental skill for like 99% of corporate jobs out there. So good luck if you hate using Excel. |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:46 PM Author: iridescent den excel is trivial for any intelligent person if they have some motivation. there's only four arguments in a VLOOKUP... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27008429) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 10:54 AM Author: self-absorbed pozpig there's a difference between knowing the logic of different formulas and being able to do fairly complicated stuff quickly and setting up workbooks in a way such that they can be easily reproduced/handed off to people. it's hard to get those skills without actually being in a job that requires you to do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30600464) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 10:13 PM Author: razzle infuriating place of business tattoo I took a non-law job based in Excel and Powerpoint straight out of law school. Not a single regret. Congrats on your career success so far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002635) |
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Date: December 26th, 2014 10:17 PM Author: mind-boggling frozen azn Compare your career and happiness to that of your classmates who practiced law. I'm also a jd grad who never practiced law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27002649) |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 10:58 PM Author: Obsidian Temple It really depends. I feel like law grads have such a wide range of outcomes, in terms of career success and general happiness.
The most successful dude from my law school did Shitlaw -> some type of attorney / agent at an insurance branch (selling insurance & taking care of legal matters) -> opened up his own branch selling insurance of all types. Last time I met him, he bought himself a 5-bedroom house worth over $1M, all with his own cash, and a brand-new BMW M3. He seems to be living up for sure.
Some other dude did Biglaw litigation for 3 years -> Midlaw for 2 years -> and now works at a small law firm. Don't know the compensation, but he didn't really seem very happy with his career. He told me that he feels constant pressure to get shit done on time on behalf of clients, feels uneasy about job stability whenever shit gets 'slow', and feels like there is very little room for upward mobility.
I'd say the biggest drawback of working at a law firm (biglaw, small law, mid law, shit law, etc) is that you're either an associate or you become a partner. There is very few middle ground. Unless you are a superstar, you eventually get canned and move around from one gig to the other. Such is not the case with other corporate careers. For example, at F500, I could theoretically coast being in the position I'm in for next 10 years without getting any promotion, and nobody would force me out of the company. There is really no 'up or out' system, unlike the law firm gigs.
One last thing I'd note is that it seems that based on the law school bros I knew, people who did corp at Biglaw seemed to have better exit options and better overall career trajectory than the litigators, who seemed to have very narrow exit options.
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Date: December 27th, 2014 1:25 AM Author: Beady-eyed mustard national security agency I'm also a data analyst, though not also a lolschool grad. I pretty much do the same stuff that the OP describes, but for a bit less money in a (probably) smaller market.
I love it, I recognize most brehs here would not. Probably 90% of the population would find it boring as hell. But I actually enjoy writing SQL and R scripts and making swe3t data visualizations, and I get to direct a lot of A/B tests for our ops teams to conduct and measure the results and tell the execs what they should do, which is fun.
Oh and VBA is SPS. |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:27 PM Author: iridescent den what mongoloid is willing to pay 135k for the excel | vba | sql combo?
if that's true, i should be able to just about double my salary after a weekend with "R for Dummies" |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:38 PM Author: Obsidian Temple You can be the greatest poker player in the world, but if you can't get the right table at the right competition, it doesn't count for much.
Likewise, unless you have proven work experience demonstrating your skills in data analysis using the skills you are selling, you won't even get an interview at any legit place.
With that being said, Biglaw pays fresh law grads 160k starting out, and most of these kids don't have any work experience nor any technical skills. |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:44 PM Author: iridescent den you were an IT consultant before, doing routine testing bullshit with apu and rajeev, so you had no relevant experience. and no one is paying 135k for that skillset.
pls work on your flame |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:47 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Try to read some shit above before posting garbage, you dick head. I explained how I jumped to this gig from my last gig in detail. Not interested in wasting my time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27008433) |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:52 PM Author: iridescent den "analyzing data using SQL queries, Excel VBA, etc."
sounds like a 50k job for a fresh graduate, little man. explain again what you actually do - what's a typical project or piece of work? |
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Date: December 27th, 2014 11:55 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Haha. I made like 75k at the first job out of school, with no work experience or skills at all.
If you're making 50k a year despite solid experience & skills in Excel, SQL, R, etc, you are doing things very wrong. Chances are, you are a retard. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:02 AM Author: iridescent den pls describe a typical project or piece of work, you esl nigger.
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:09 AM Author: Obsidian Temple go look up job descriptions on Indeed.com or Monster.com, you lazy stupid piece of shit.
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:12 AM Author: iridescent den keep trolling about making a mid six figure salary off the back of a six month homework project and some rudimentary IT skills.
100% this is another sick and twisted JJC flame |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:15 AM Author: Obsidian Temple Feel free to console your sorry ass thinking others better off than you are flame.
Losers will hate.
fyi - you don't get gigs like this just with 'basic IT skills'. You need to be good at office politics, have good communication skills (tons of presentations), and have good education credentials.
If I see a piece of shit resume from guys like you with shit experience for a gig at my company, it's going straight to garbage can... |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:26 AM Author: iridescent den so irate over your shitty flame, LJL
at some level compensation reflects the scarcity of the skills required. why are you paid champagne money for work within the grasp of any intelligent graduate? |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:43 AM Author: Obsidian Temple ok. since I'm bored as shit now, I will try to dumb it down for you, you fucking piece of shit retard.
The 'technical skills' are just base line requirement to do my job.
My company looks for strong analytical skills. This job is basically telling the company's execs what to do, based on data analysis. Hence, when you are doing ad-hoc analysis for a director in product strategy, for example, you tell him that there are x,y,z scenarios, with A,B,C % chance of gaining certain level of market share given each scenario, with different constraints when launching a product into a new market, or a combination of products. I then justify my recommendations using data put together and get feedbacks after meetings, tweak the numbers if need be until the product manager finds the 'comfort' spot, after which the business decision is made.
or, you do some type of ad-hoc analysis for the directors in sales department, where you analyze different scenarios involving combination of diff. sales managers selling diff. products, and come up with a strategy or recommendation as to what the ideal product match with each sales manager is, based on past sales performance, activity count of each sales manager, etc etc.
these are some of just very basic high-level examples. I won't go into very specific detail of my typical projects, since it is VERY specific and people reading this will be able to know who I am.
My company wouldn't care if you somehow got to gain some laughable baseline piece of shit set of skills in excel or R, they wouldn't even give you an interview absent an evidence of strong analytical skills & strong 'branding' (quality job experience and good educational credentials), since you need to have some smarts to learn the company's data, products, competition in the market, market trends, etc etc to derive INSIGHTS from the shit you're doing, much less the fact that you are the face of the department in front of the firm's directors and partners from all sorts of departments.
For me - the fact that I went to an IVY UG with ECON helped me demonstrate my analytical skills.
And, I sold myself saying that having worked as a consultant, facing different types of clients, would position me well for presentation-facing role, which is essentially 40% of my job.
In summary, you don't get paid $135K just to do some monkey work with Excel, SQL, and R. You need to demonstrate you are capable of deriving key INSIGHTS using these tools, and being able to use these tools is just a basic requirement to even get the interview.
I am done wasting my time. Hope your fragile mind is able to absorb the above information. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:35 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams sounds like... monkey work to me bro.
"ok. since I'm bored as shit now, I will try to dumb it down for you, you fucking piece of shit retard. The 'technical skills' are just base line requirement to do my job.
My company looks for strong analytical skills. This job is basically telling the company's execs what to do, based on data analysis. Hence, when you are doing ad-hoc analysis for a director in product strategy, for example, you tell him that there are x,y,z scenarios, with A,B,C % chance of gaining certain level of market share given each scenario, with different constraints when launching a product into a new market, or a combination of products. I then justify my recommendations using data put together and get feedbacks after meetings, tweak the numbers if need be until the product manager finds the 'comfort' spot, after which the business decision is made.
or, you do some type of ad-hoc analysis for the directors in sales department, where you analyze different scenarios involving combination of diff. sales managers selling diff. products, and come up with a strategy or recommendation as to what the ideal product match with each sales manager is, based on past sales performance, activity count of each sales manager, etc etc.
these are some of just very basic high-level examples. I won't go into very specific detail of my typical projects, since it is VERY specific and people reading this will be able to know who I am.
My company wouldn't care if you somehow got to gain some laughable baseline piece of shit set of skills in excel or R, they wouldn't even give you an interview absent an evidence of strong analytical skills & strong 'branding' (quality job experience and good educational credentials), since you need to have some smarts to learn the company's data, products, competition in the market, market trends, etc etc to derive INSIGHTS from the shit you're doing, much less the fact that you are the face of the department in front of the firm's directors and partners from all sorts of departments.
For me - the fact that I went to an IVY UG with ECON helped me demonstrate my analytical skills.
And, I sold myself saying that having worked as a consultant, facing different types of clients, would position me well for presentation-facing role, which is essentially 40% of my job.
In summary, you don't get paid $135K just to do some monkey work with Excel, SQL, and R. You need to demonstrate you are capable of deriving key INSIGHTS using these tools, and being able to use these tools is just a basic requirement to even get the interview.
I am done wasting my time. Hope your fragile mind is able to absorb the above information. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 12:40 PM Author: iridescent den ahahhahahahahahahaha
you were an IT consultant before, by your own admission a toilet job, so basically any chump with professional experience is a viable candidate.
the analytical element of the job sounds every bit as trivial as i imagined, shitting out *insight* i.e spurious charts on demand for peanut brain managers, yet you clearly think that excel/sql combo makes you a boss.
pls tell me about your super prestigious ECON degree. oh, what rigour! oh, such insight! |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 9:38 PM Author: excitant police squad turdskin he is right, and the OP is right also. he just spins his work as difficult and interesting at a certain level, while you correctly point out its just monkeying around with data. its either sad and pathetic or interesting and challenging depending on your perspective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30604870) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 1:30 PM Author: Obsidian Temple In the end, I make six fig salary doing interesting work, with a shit TON of job stability. I win. You faggots lose.
Lol @ internet tough faggots from shitty state U's trying to muster up every bit of self-pity by labeling others more successful as flame.
Btw, even at my shitty last job at the IT consulting company, I was already making low six figure. (around $100k, to be exact)
If you are decently smart and have good work experience / skills, you can easily top $100k. It's just that, you guys have such shitty careers with 2-digit IQ that such is unthinkable. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 1:32 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams ittt consulttting to internal strategy happens all the time. u idiot chink flamebot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27011216) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 1:35 PM Author: Obsidian Temple Glad you at least know.
Try to stop sucking at life and wasting your time on the internet. Try to go out there and actually try to make some money. Don't you need to work a 2nd shift job at a yogurt shop, given your shitty salary at a garbage gig?
Haha. I'm enjoying this. Mindless interaction with shitty internet warriors.
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Date: December 28th, 2014 2:05 PM Author: Blathering Heaven Laser Beams you seem very irate brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27011352) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 2:16 PM Author: misanthropic razzle-dazzle plaza I actually think this is all plausible. His total pay is in-line with what data scientists make today and his job responsibilities are quite similar. Excel is really an important tool, although I don't know people who do any VBA scripting since the people I know can write Python, which is much better than writing VBA. He's also right that going to a good school is important for these types of jobs when you don't have much previous work experience--the employer has to take a chance that you're smart and your UG school is the best proxy they have.
His skill-set is on the low end of most data scientists; I highly recommend the OP learn python (esp. the pandas library, which basically replicates R's core functionality) and start learning about Hadoop. |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 7:11 PM Author: iridescent den his skill set isn't even on the scale for a "data scientist". literally any smart undergrad could replace him. plus he's clearly some esl turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27012922) |
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Date: December 28th, 2014 2:26 PM Author: mind-boggling frozen azn Good for you, but you are exaggerating the role. "tell execs what to do" "shape corporate strategy" lol, no. You're an order-taker and a data monkey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#27011422) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 12:28 AM Author: concupiscible voyeur 180. I am literally studying SQL and VBA right now looking to cop dat sweet 70k SQL/Data Analyst jerb. 180000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30598813) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 1:05 AM Author: Swashbuckling smoky patrolman menage how'd you network to the first gig? i'm confused, was the first gig IT consulting or data analytics? what skills did you have? how do you find startups looking for some inexperienced lawyer to do data analytics/IT consulting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30599020) |
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Date: June 1st, 2016 11:34 AM Author: self-absorbed pozpig you guys zeroing in way too narrowly on the technical skills required for his role. nobody gets these jobs because they took a python course on coursera and played around with vlookups on their own. it's like saying "any monkey can use MS word and lexis nexis!" sure, but nobody moves up at a law firm or gets an in house gig just because they can do research and format a document.
to get your foot in the door at the OP's job you need to have demonstrated that you've actually used these tools at work on in school, doing some reasonably complex analysis.
to advance more and make 135k you need to develop a track record at your current place and have developed the requisite soft skills (managing people/presenting to clients, which many people in corporate america are terrible at) which it sounds like the OP has.
places like CapitalOne are loaded with people making low 6 figures who do stuff similar to what the OP describes. it's not like they're all programming experts or something.
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Date: June 1st, 2016 8:41 PM Author: Fluffy Violent Locale Old thread but the OP is correct if aspie. If you come from a decent school and are halfway intelligent you can get a 150k data scientist type job relatively quickly in places like SF. They do seem dull, however. And 100k is nothing in a major city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2766671&forum_id=2#30604439) |
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