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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:23 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Okay, would it be okay to email the hiring partner and ask why I got dinged? This was an Ohio firm.
For those keeping score: I have 3 callbacks left, all in NYC.
I'm really upset.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213204) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 6:01 PM Author: Racy boltzmann
Date: November 4th, 2005 4:52 PM
Author: Edgar the Board Hottie (Through Paying for Original Sin)
Sounds like somebody got the DING! DING! DING! from one or more of S&C, Cravath, & Wachtell. I didn't. HTfH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=291918&forum_id=2#4213386)
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:53 PM
Author: "the King" of DUI" (174) (Better, faster, stronger, more prestigious)
Dinged from two of those, yes.
DING!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213764) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 10:27 AM Author: Startled box office dopamine
NO. if you really want to find out, you have to call. it will suck, but that the type of shit you have to do if you want to make it.
call and you will get a much higher quality response.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218301) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 1:45 PM Author: Ultramarine wagecucks
I was also turned down by my home state firms after callback. However I have offers from other places.
My advice is, dont worry about the associates. just chat with them and ask them whatever questions you like. you can even ask them something funny about the partners you're going to interview with. lunch doesn't really matter either. just follow their lead.
But make sure to be on guard with the partners. especially the one on the hiring committee.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4219089) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 4:28 PM Author: Titillating Reading Party Old Irish Cottage
Aren't you like tp 1/3 or top 40%? How do you not have a job?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213243) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:30 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
I'm about median. I have no idea. I feel sick right now I'm so upset. I have to say, this one hurt a lot more than the previous two.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213257)
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:39 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Thanks... I don't know what I'll do if I burn through these 3 remaining callbacks.
Work for free somewhere shitty? Law was the biggest mistake of my pathetic life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213311) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:55 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
I ask about their experience.
I ask how to get more responsibility early.
I ask questions based on what they say to the previous 2 questions.
ADvice here would be helpful.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213406) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:16 PM Author: Titillating Reading Party Old Irish Cottage
Pro bono serves a useful function, unlike diversity (i.e., associate training). If diversity were useful in a non-charitable/good-feelings way, firms would care more about it. And some firms do care about it...mine seems to, anyway.
Let's not be crazy...of course no law firm is going to let associates bill 500 hours of pro bono. But I'm sure they probably want you to do some...or at the very least they don't mind.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213519) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:19 PM Author: Titillating Reading Party Old Irish Cottage
Pro bono isn't a bad thing. It's good for both the firm and the associate. Especially for litigators.
Honestly, I've gotten many good responses asking about it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213545) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:58 PM Author: Yapping church building voyeur
Pro bono is good to talk about. Not because you want to do something bleeding-hearty, but because it'll give you more experience with trials etc. then you'd get as part of a huge litigation team.
A good question to ask if the interviewer brings up pro bono is whether the interviewer has done any pro bono cases themselves. They are happy to talk about themselves. Even if they don't talk about themselves, they probably know of some pro bono case the firm did that they're proud of becasue it makes them look less evil.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220831) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 4:40 PM Author: bright blood rage
my regrets and best wishes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213314) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 4:44 PM Author: concupiscible market
Sorry man. I guess this just means you were meant to be in NYC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213342) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:47 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
You know what? That is the right attitude. Fuck it, I spent most of my summers as a kid there, I guess I was meant to go back.
Thanks, seriously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213359) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:47 PM Author: Passionate jap
"I spent most of my summers as a kid there"
That's a good thing to mention.
Also, mention that NYC is the preeminent legal market. The deal flow means that there's a lot more variety. Unequaled training.
Good luck, you fucker; I want you to get a job.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220755) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 4:48 PM Author: Titillating Reading Party Old Irish Cottage
Who did you interview with? Did you interview w/a lot of vault NYC or Chi firms?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213367) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:49 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
2 non-V100 regionals.
1 V100 Ohio (I'm from the area).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213372)
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Date: November 4th, 2005 4:57 PM Author: Titillating Reading Party Old Irish Cottage
IMO, that's who you need to hit up.
EDIT: Have you sent out any resumes?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213419) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 5:15 PM Author: lime contagious famous landscape painting azn
Why did you schedule your NYC callbacks so crazy late?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213514) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:19 PM Author: 180 cruel-hearted meetinghouse hominid
I'm guessing you're not their first choice, so you'll have to charm the pants off them. (Interpersonal skills can make up for not being a top student.) What worked best for me was researching the interviewers' recent triumphs, and just asking them about them. The more they talk, the better they liked me.
One question I got: tell me something about yourself that's not on the resume. Turned out this guy wanted to know what my core values were.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213546) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:33 PM Author: Buff institution
Sorry to hear it. Good luck on your last few callbacks.
And keep in mind that living in NYC is immeasurably cooler than TTT Ohio.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213630) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:21 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
No, actually. But I'm not naming the firm.
No comment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217669) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 5:17 PM Author: beady-eyed doctorate
I love you very much sweetheart
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213530) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 5:26 PM Author: ocher corner organic girlfriend
Why not work overseas?
It'd be more interesting that doing shitwork in some law firm in the states.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213592) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:35 PM Author: ocher corner organic girlfriend
Being without a job seems daunting, but the truth is, just by having gone to college and then two years of law school, you have a marketable set of skills that extends far beyond the narrow subset of jobs affiliated with private stateside law firms.
Buck up. It'll get better. You may need to look around rather than directly forward, but you've got some good stuff going for you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213636) |
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:50 PM Author: ocher corner organic girlfriend
They didn't really play into the job I eventually got.
Thing is, most of the lucrative work in this country and others is outside of the practice of law. There are a lot of different agencies and organizations out there that may not initially be lucrative, but can get you new contacts, and new opportunities for other jobs you may not have considered.
Some of my friends in law school who went the firm route, and are now associates at large firms, seem to regret it. Some of them feel that by going straight up that well-trod path, they amputated their opportunities outside of firm-law at the knees.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213714)
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Date: November 4th, 2005 5:44 PM Author: walnut idiot deer antler
This is beyond funny, esp considering the source.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4213688) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 7:28 PM Author: Green Pervert
The sad part is that this firm offered me a job.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4214450) |
Date: November 4th, 2005 7:29 PM Author: fragrant forum
how could you not convince them you'd return to ohio?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4214474) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 1:31 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Update: Hiring partner actually emails back and writes out a long email detailing where I went wrong. Conclusion: those of you who said it was all personality were correct. That is all.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217385) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 1:34 AM Author: Avocado boyish school cafeteria
Can you elaborate on what he said? I'm curious to hear how they would explain a personality issue.
EDIT: Obviously, he didnt hate you or he would have trashed your email. So what was it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217402) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 1:45 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Well... My first interview went badly. The dude didn't seem to want to talk to me (maybe like he was in a hurry). 30 minute interview, he gets done asking me questions (which consisted of "do I really wanted to be in location X, no really, because that's really the question...") in 5 minutes. I ask questions for 15-20 minutes - he gives quick answers. I ask if he has more Qs for me and he says "no" and takes me to my next interview. Interview ends 5 minutes early. Apparently, he thought I had no interest in talking to him (because he was an associate and not a partner?) which led to this issue. Totally incorrect. Then I guess my answers were also too short and too the point, which didn't lead to trust.
On the bright side, the email specifically stated that my grades, school, and talent were excellent. Its just me that sucks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217497) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:16 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
My next firm is a reach. I'm not sure that's a good idea since they'll already be wondering about my grades. Aside from which, I have a lot of extras that make me a pretty qualified candidate.
Honestly, I just need to make more smalltalk and focus less on selling myself.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217647) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:20 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Interesting.
I don't think it'll play well with my style and resume, especially for NYC reaches. I can see how this would be great for some people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217668) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:52 PM Author: Passionate jap
"I ask if he has more Qs for me and he says 'no' and takes me to my next interview."
NEVER ask if they have more Qs for you. You fill up the deadtime with your own questions, or commentary.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220784) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:41 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
That's what's odd to me. I didn't think I remotely came off that way. But I guess I had a very "here's what I can do for the firm, here's what experience I have..." I mean, I always figure that you sell yourself at interviews. I never do crap like say "well, I go to NU and I rock, so you should be happy to have me..."
Also, I've been worrying about seeming desperate and insecure, so I guess I haven't been watching as much for this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217763) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 1:35 AM Author: Iridescent skinny woman theater stage
(Before I post, I want to apologize for starting that thread the other day about Ruskie having 4 offers - it was pretty fucking mean)
OK, you have 3 more callbacks. You have to figure out where you're going wrong. You need to be enthusiastic without being cheesy, confident without being arrogant. And you have to express a genuine interest in being at these firms in NY next week. You don't need to sell yourself on why you want to be in NY - they will assume you do. But if they ask the question, just say that "its the top legal market and I want to have a career here."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217411) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:17 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
"You need to make yourself likeable."
Well I'm fucked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217654) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 1:42 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I hope you and your whore fucking rot. You certainly both deserve nothing less.
Though I'm sure you'll have no problem using your parents as a safety net despite hating them and then criticize me for living with mine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217478)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:02 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I'm holding out for when *mandy* leaves you for a real man who can provide for her and her trips to the zoo.
Now that will make my day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217573) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:07 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I was rooting for him at the start. I mean, how can you not be sympathetic to some one attached to *mandy*?
He no longer deserves the support.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217594) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:13 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I would disagree. When his parents cut him off financially and mandy cheats on him, then perhaps I'll...actually, I'll still probably laugh and ask for more shit to be piled on. It's a shame his parents aren't dead so I can't post their obituaries.
What can I say? I think he's a rotten person, and it's nice to see that every law firm in the country agrees with me.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217629) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:27 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I'm not bitter.
Fish is just an unlikeable fuck, and apparently a million out of a million lawyers agree. He has no problems piling it on me, and thus I have no problems piling it on him.
He is an asshole through and through. But please, guys, keep building up his confidence and telling him how great he seems like on the board. It will make his rejections from New York all that more enjoyable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217695)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:34 AM Author: Dark Home Clown
For some reason I just don't see why it matters enough to you to spend the time decrying him here. It's apparent he's getting pwn3d, and I figure that's enough without the added salt on the wounds. Yea, you take a lot of shit here, but it always seemed to me that it wasn't a big deal to you. It just strikes me as odd that you've begun such a violent lash-out against some of the people on the board.
It's entirely your perogative, but I liked you a lot better when you beaded and gave excellent analysis on various musicians.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217730) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:38 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
Begun?
What the fuck? Where have you been?
I was actually sympathetic to Fish at the beginning as I was having trouble finding a job as well. But he showed himself to be an asshole and I have treated him as such ever since.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217741)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:39 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
You know what? If I get one of these NYC jobs I'm going to be nice to you, despite how mean you've been to myself, Mandy, and others.
I figure I need a sacrificial lamb here and this is it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217750) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:41 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
Making promises to God is neither amusing nor funny, it's just pathetic, Fish.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217761)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:44 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
I am at my most pathetic hour right here, right now.
You want pathetic? I nearly cried when I got the ding. I kept myself from doing so, but it was close. Now that's pathetic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217777) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:46 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
See, now you're back to being funny and amusing. Good on you. It would have been much funnier had you bawled, but I'll take what I can get.
What was the name of the thread where you were bragging about how well you did in this interview and how you were going to get the job? I'd like to bump it now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217786)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:48 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Geez, I honestly don't remember. I don't think I started my own thread for this. If I did maybe I put "Fish" in the title. Happy hunting.
But if you're looking for fun stuff to bump the "Meanest Fish, the feel good story of 1L" thread is great.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217792) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:51 AM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
You're really starting to fucking annoy me.
I'm doing absolutely nothing to Fish that he hasn't done to me a thousand times.
Take your self righteousness elsewhere, asshat.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217798) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:53 AM Author: Dark Home Clown
If I was around he has was giving you shit under similar circumstances I'd say the exact same thing to him.
No need to be so violently defensive, I've never attacked you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217803) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 2:08 AM Author: fishy razzmatazz codepig preventive strike
Too bad the interviews aren't conducted via XOXO posts. You'd come off as a fundamentally decent guy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217600) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:16 AM Author: fishy razzmatazz codepig preventive strike
Perhaps Renada could give you (us?) some pointers-- I'm probably going to suffer from the same difficulties in interviews.
Of course, this does presume that he actually exists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217645) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:29 AM Author: Wonderful alcoholic crackhouse
it's difficult to be sure exactly what's going on. obviously something is going wrong at the interview. i haven't done interviews for a while, but thinking back, in all honesty, if someone like a middle-of-the-class person from northwestern came in, they would tend not to look as good as the great majority of people who came from harvard, yale and stanford. most generally, those who have, or are likely to have, numerous offers tend to ask real questions.
by contrast, consider how plainly disingenuous a question that purports to yearn for "early responsibility" is. you are effectively saying: i want to work more (even though the prospect of 2100 minimum billables is my primary source of a bleak outlook on life), and i want lots of "responsibility" in a job i know nothing of. better interviews basically take up the same sorts of questions people ask here: does working in a firm blow, how much do you actually have to work, what happens to people who don't make partner, etc.
there have to be places where your credentials are distinguished, rather than ordinary, or worse. just as everyone wants a girlfriend a little better looking than themselves, there's a tendency to seek out a job that represents some defiance of the odds. sooner or later, everyone is well served by coming to an accommodation with the fact that you're not always going to end up somewhere that makes your prestige trajectory an increasing function.
and for what it's worth, while "fish" seems like a decent guy, he exudes nothing like the qualities of someone who would seem to have long-term value to a law firm. i imagine him being well-intentioned, but having not much of an eye for detail, and not a great capacity for complex analysis.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218165) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:42 AM Author: Umber toilet seat
You: consider how plainly disingenuous a question that purports to yearn for "early responsibility" is. you are effectively saying: i want to work more (even though the prospect of 2100 minimum billables is my primary source of a bleak outlook on life), and i want lots of "responsibility" in a job i know nothing of.
For the sake of discussion, can't the question fairly be interpreted to be an inquiry about the quality of the work, not its quantity, which, as you rightly said, is fairly settled? Maybe he sincerely wanted to know how much document review lies ahead. (At this point, it probably doesn't matter so he can scratch the question on the grounds that it's moot but not because it's disingenuous.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218166) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:54 AM Author: Wonderful alcoholic crackhouse
that's a reasonable point. but embedded in it is a caricature of what "document review" is. i waited all day today for some discovery responses to arrive today -- documents -- because they might answer questions i have had about a case for several months. to find out, i'll have to "review" them. a failure to understand what document review usually is if you're doing meaningful work utterly undermines any pretense to "early responsibility." by contrast, if there's even the slightest danger of being sequestered in the clasically monotonous document review, which really is a numbingly dull administrative and organizational task, then you're probably talking to the wrong firm -- wrong, that is, unless you are willing to trade doing heinous work for whatever the thrill is in telling people you work at a somewhat more prominent firm.
"early responsibility" is an empty phrase that law firms invented as a marketing device. while they might find some satisfaction in their slogan having attached to the minds of law students, they don't really want to hire people who seem to adopt it uncritically. the fact is, they are looking for people who can find an accommodation with the jadedness that's pervasive among those who work in firms, not do a second-rate job of pretending not to share the skepticism common to all but some of the very best students, who set an almost impossible interviewing standard for those who are conspicuously groveling to work in "biglaw," anywhere that will take them.
again, if you really want to play in the majors, but have only triple-A skills, even if you happen to find your way onto the big team, there will be a lot of time sitting on the bench. it's an "exit strategy," just not a very good one.
a really important qualification to this is that the only reason i might have anything at all useful to say is that i am describing my own misconceptions and fears around the time of interviewing for jobs, not suggesting that i was free of all the common delusions. now, sitting on the other side of it and with the advantage of time having passed, something very close to definite answers tends to come easily and obviously. bit it's impossible to convey in a believable way the key point to all of this, which is: it is an unusually complex job, in that ther eis a great deal to learn. there's a reason not even the greatest student in the history of harvard is not, and never will be, made a partner immediately upon graduating. there's at least two solid years' worth of learning just the fundamentals of the job, and at least another few years to grasp the nuances and come to the point of being genuinely and independently useful. it is within that passage that you either quit in despair, find a way to survive in mediocrity, or become truly good at it. and only the last of these possibilities holds the prospect of actually liking it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218169) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 2:21 AM Author: charismatic nowag goal in life
are you in law and econ this semester (colloquim)?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217670) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:30 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
I don't recall you ever releasing any info on the board so I can't tell, other than you're one of the guys...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217715)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:28 AM Author: Umber toilet seat
Where is your office of career services in all this? Can't they intervene for you like in a way that a guidance counselor might help out a student who can't close the dea?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217699) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:52 AM Author: Umber toilet seat
Good luck. The idea is not for you to go crawling but to get someone from your school to intervene.
I don't mean to be facetious when I say that your personality might be more well-suited to the NYC market. (not from what you post here but from your description of what's going on) Also, if worse comes to worse, NYlawyer.com has a fairly large, active online classified ad section.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217799) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:59 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Oh, I meant to crawl to the OCS.
Oh yeah, I'm hoping this is the case. Actually, multiple firms have asked why I'm not going to NYC.
Ooooh, thanks for the info. I'll check that site out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217819)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:34 AM Author: laughsome business firm travel guidebook
Goddamn, that sucks. Sorry, Fish.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217729) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 2:45 AM Author: Spruce beta church
All right! I confess! I've been posting flyers all over your interviewing towns with your photo and the words "[Meanest Fish's real name] has airborne SuperAIDS! Plus, he's a communist! With rabies! DO NOT HIRE DEAD OR ALIVE!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217781) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 2:49 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
*wipes foam from mouth*
Good point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217793) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 3:00 AM Author: topaz tattoo
Do you want people to feel sad for you? I will shed a tear and make a prayer for you... not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217823) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 3:18 AM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
I need cash. Hence biglaw.
If I was rich and had no debt I'd be less worried right now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4217884) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 9:51 AM Author: Multi-colored address selfie
he was arrogant in the typical xoxo way. doesn't mean he is a bad guy, and certainly doesn't mean people should enjoy his problems at present.
personally, i think his willingness to chronicle his saga is pretty cool.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218264) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 9:50 AM Author: Obsidian bateful shrine volcanic crater
ouch. sorry, man. what kinds of questions are you asking interviewers?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218263) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 9:57 AM Author: At-the-ready Brindle Dilemma
I apologize if these questions seem obvious, but:
* Do you make eye contact with your interviewers? In a non-threatening way?
* Do you smile? Pleasantly? Ghoulishly? Are you sure?
* How's your handshake? How long do you hold the other person's hand when shaking?
* Do you check out your female interviewers?
* Do you use proper table manners during lunch? Do you slurp soup?
* Do you remember to use deodorant and to take a shower before your interview?
* If you have an afternoon interview, do you just shave at 6 AM in the morning, or do you come clean-shaven?
* Do you shine your shoes?
It might just be bad luck; some people just get screwed by the process. But there are some obvious things you can do that will put people's backs up, and you may be unaware that you're doing them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218266) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 12:48 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Check out the female interviewers? I have to admit that at this stage sex is the furthest thing from my mind at these interviews.
I actually pretty much always order something that's fool-proof at lunch - like a steak. No soup that can spill or salad that can get dressing on things or sandwiches that can fall apart.
Shit, I don't shine my shoes. Okay, I'll do that next time.
So far they've all been morning.
The first three - its one of those where I think I'm alright but what do I know.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218703) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 10:05 AM Author: glittery bbw athletic conference
O.K. Here's my impression about what you're doing wrong: You're too high on yourself and your abilities. You stated above that you try to convince them of what you can do for the firms. This is the absolute wrong track to take in your interviews. At this point, you (and all of us) know absolutely nothing and can do very little. You should be trying to convey humbleness and a willingness to learn. The first step to conveying this is trying to get to know your interviewer and appear interested in who they are and what they have to say. Don't just treat them as a vehicle for information about the firm or a way to convince them of how great you are. Try to get them to talk about what they do in a typical day, outside interests, etc. and listen to what they have to say. Have a conversation with them, not an interview. Remember, you know nothing and if you're not interested in listening to them in the interview, they'll think that you're not going to listen to them at work. FWIW, I had 10 interviews, 8 callbacks, and 7 offers (no tech background). Good luck!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218269) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 12:49 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
"You're too high on yourself and your abilities."
Are you kidding? My self esteem hasn't been this bad in years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218708) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 6:54 PM Author: glittery bbw athletic conference
Your self esteem may be in shambles, but your comments on this thread suggest that you're not coming across with the right attitude at interviews. Here's a couple of the things that you said:
"I have a lot of extras that make me a pretty qualified candidate"
"But I guess I had a very 'here's what I can do for the firm, here's what experience I have...' I mean, I always figure that you sell yourself at interviews"
Seriously--this is the wrong attitude to take. All of us know very little about the law and add very little to the firm. What you're selling is the capability to learn more and the willingness to work hard for the firm. All you need to convince them of is that you're not an ass and that you'll listen to what they'll tell you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220798)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 10:11 AM Author: adventurous magenta lay
Question: are you saying stuff like when they talk about client relationships you say "yeah that's like when i was working at XXX and my clients would do blah blah blah" or are you just randomly throwing in "Well my bosses all loved me and thought i was supersweet."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218272)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 10:24 AM Author: territorial motley senate
Why are people feeling sorry for this putz? There's nothing particularly sad about his story. Lots of people don't get high-paying 2L jobs, and his sense of entitlement on this board is long-running. Fuck him, his TTT, and his dumb slut of a girlfriend.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218294) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 11:35 AM Author: territorial motley senate
NU is the joke.
Fish shouldn't have gotten the worst grade in his section in most of his first semester classes if he wanted a job despite his utter TTT of a personality.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218468) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 12:23 PM Author: comical internal respiration mental disorder
I didn't realize he was only applying to top money jobs. I thought he was slumming it and applying to places beneath him - he certainly made it seem that way.
Well, this makes him all the more deserving of his situation. Eat shit and die, Fish.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218594) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 1:01 PM Author: concupiscible market
Hey Fish,
Did you go to NU for money? If so, what schools did you turn down? Would you do it again?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218752) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 3:49 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
Yes, though my alternative wasn't ranked higher and also gave money (though considerably less). The alternative was Duke.
I was also on a lot of WLs but when the money was offered I just took it.
Honestly, its hard to say. I'm not picking Duke instead of NU would have saved me here. I should have applied to UChicago, though I probably would have gotten dinged.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4219845) |
Date: November 5th, 2005 1:21 PM Author: At-the-ready Brindle Dilemma
Fish, now that I've read this thread in greater detail, I have the following things to say.
If you *never* mention yourself once in the interview, you'll probably do better. Ask them about the interviewers, what they do in a day, what decisions they wish they'd made differently, what they think about and so forth.
You're *not* trying to sell yourself in the interview. They have your resume and your grades, and they know that you're adequate. You're trying to make them feel good about being around you. So talk about your interviewer, and not yourself. Ask what they do when they're not at work, and if people in the department hang out, and what the atmosphere is like.
Admittedly, most people can mention themselves more than once in an interview, but if you're talking about yourself to sell yourself, and you're coming off as arrogant, drastic measures may be called for.
One other question: when people ask you "who else have you talked to today," do you remember?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4218896) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 3:54 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
"One other question: when people ask you "who else have you talked to today," do you remember?"
No one has ever asked this.
But I see your point, I'll focus more on the interviewer.
Did you interview mainly in NY or somewhere else?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4219865) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 10:17 PM Author: amethyst stimulating dragon
For 2 yes, but not for the last one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4222322)
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Date: November 5th, 2005 4:33 PM Author: Dead shimmering friendly grandma
Question about the "who else have you talked to" bit:
Do you mean that self-absorption would lead to a response in the negative, or that answering no to this question would have adversely impacted his chances?
Edit: Because if it's the latter, I don't think it would be a problem. Everyone knows callbacks are hectic and tend to run together. I've never been able to give an adequate answer to that question, and no one has cared.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220041) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 7:09 PM Author: Passionate jap
"when people ask you "who else have you talked to today," do you remember?"
This question killed me once. :(
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4220879) |
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Date: November 5th, 2005 9:05 PM Author: Yapping church building voyeur
I hate this question too. I had a lot of trouble with it but woul dalways managed to pull one first or last name out or I'd remember the on-campus interviewer, that was enough. At the callback if you have the list of names I just pull it out and look at it (because you wouldn't really memorize the people you had coming up later int he day)
Also sucks if they ask about other firms you have offers at, and who you interviewed with there if they know people at that firm.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=292011&forum_id=2#4221799) |
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