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US miltary lost 8 aircraft in last 2 months
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:41 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond May 12th -- Marine UH-1Y helo crashed May 12th -- USN F/A-18F crashed May 17th -- USAF MV-22B Osprey came down in hard landing. Written off. May 22 -- USAF T-45C Goshawk rolled off runway. Written off. June 3 -- USN F/A-18F suffers fire while in flight. Written off upon landing. June 19 -- USMC AV-8B+(R) Harrier II came in for hard landing. $2 million in damage. The only 1 of the 8 to not be a total write off. June 25 -- USN Bell TH-57B Sea Ranger. Hard landing. Caught fire. Written off. June 29 -- USCG MH-65D Dauphin hard landing. Written off.
US and Russian losses for last 2 months are identical -- 8 each.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1414693.html
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:43 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/All-the-aircraft-carriers-of-the-world.gif
russia's a joke. HTFH. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:46 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Only good for bombing cave apes. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472667) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:53 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/HMS_Dragon_with_Russian_Aircraft_Carrier_%27Admiral_Kuzetsov%27_MOD_45157552.jpg
is that thing on fuckin fire? LJL. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:59 PM Author: charcoal locale Putin, crying losing hoap, watching 60% of his naval fleet go up in flames. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472772) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:01 PM Author: Yellow station Is this the one that has tugs following it to tow it back when (not if) it breaks down?
The one that causes the USN to panic whenever it turns up somewhere because they're worried they'll have to rescue the crew when it sinks?
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:05 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life why yes, this is the jewel of the russian fleet, which is followed constantly by a tender ship lest it founder and require assistance (hint: this is a common occurrence). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472819) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:07 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond All Russian ships travel with REPLENISHMENT tugs because Russia doesnt have foreign ports it call in on without first nuking the country they will be "visiting." The Yankee fleet travels without tugs because you imperialist pigs have ringed the planet with bases. Soviet ships have to travel with support vessels sufficient to guarantee 18 months of sea time without ever calling on a port. The kind of sea runs ships like Ustinov or the Mosckva or even a mere destroyer like the Chabanenko do where they put to sea and never call in on a foreign port for 6 or 8 month the USN never does.
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:10 PM Author: charcoal locale So....your navy can be paralyzed by blowing up some tug boats and the U.S. Is evil for being smart enough to avoid such a retarded strategy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472865) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:12 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond The tugs travel with the ships. Your bases are fixed and prime for nuking. Theoretically the Soviet approach is more survivable, but also far more expensive per sortie since the tug eats fuel and means more men since its two crews.
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:15 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life Holy fuckin pwn, check out the lulz here bro:
Huge aircraft carrier beyond Russia’s capability by David Axe
Reuters
Feb 25, 2015 Article history SHARE
LONDON – The Kremlin is preparing blueprints for a huge new aircraft carrier, Russian media reported in early February, to replace its navy’s current flattop, the relatively small and aged “Admiral Kuznetsov.” Moscow’s new carrier, however, is likely to remain a paper concept. A quarter-century after the Soviet Union’s collapse, Russia lacks the money, expertise and industrial capacity to build aircraft carriers.
A new flattop could boost Moscow’s military power by providing air cover to warships sailing far from Russian shores and giving the Kremlin another option for launching air strikes on distant enemies. Both are now particular concerns for the West because President Vladimir Putin’s Russia has become far more aggressive along its borders.
But the Kremlin has failed to maintain its expensive shipyard facilities and perishable worker skills. So it can’t actually complete the new vessel any time soon.
The Krylov State Research Center in St. Petersburg, which brainstorms most of Moscow’s warships, is doing the design work for the carrier, according to Russia’s TV Zvezda. The TV network featured a model of the new flattop earlier this month, which is revealing. It underscores the Kremlin’s narrow chance of ever building the warship. Based on the model planes on the scale ship’s deck, the proposed flattop appears to be huge — at least as big as the U.S. Navy’s nuclear-powered supercarriers, which can exceed 305 meters in length.
The United States operates 10 such nuclear carriers, each with an air wing of 60 or more planes, plus 10 smaller, non-nuclear amphibious assault ships that can launch small numbers of vertical-landing Harrier attack planes.
Russia’s “Kuznetsov” is smaller than the U.S. nuclear flattops. When jets take off from the deck of “Kuznetsov,” which isn’t often, they rarely number more than a dozen. The new carrier that Krylov is reportedly developing would represent a big upgrade. That’s why Moscow probably can’t build it.
When the Soviet Union launched “Kuznetsov” in 1985, it was a major technical accomplishment for the then-superpower. Moscow began assembling “Varyag,” a sister ship of “Kuznetsov,” around the same time. It also started work on a true full-size carrier, as big as anything the U.S. builds. But the Soviet Union’s collapse in 1991 abruptly halted the carrier program. One emerging problem was logistics. The Krylov design agency is in Russia, but the Soviet Union’s main carrier-building shipyard was on the Black Sea in Ukraine, which became an independent country that year. Ukraine scrapped the big carrier then under construction and, in 1998, sold the half-done “Varyag” to China.
Russia was left with “Kuznetsov” as its sole flattop and, deprived of funds and Ukraine’s assistance, has struggled to keep the vessel in working condition.
The U.S. Navy deploys its carriers once every two years for cruises lasting between six and nine months. At any given time, the U.S. has two or three big carriers and an equal number of small carriers on station in the world’s hot spots. Russia, however, is lucky if its flattop is available for combat for a few months every few years.
U.S. aircraft carriers have engaged in almost all America’s conflicts since World War Two. “Kuznetsov” hasn’t launched a single combat sortie.
The carrier is clearly inadequate as a reliable instrument of Russian foreign policy. This says as much about the poor state of Russia’s arms industry, military planning and overall economy as it does about the ship itself. Eager to improve its ability to build reliable flattops, in recent years Moscow undertook two parallel initiatives. Neither worked out as the Kremlin had hoped it would.
First, in 2004, Russia and India struck a deal whereby Moscow would pull a small, Soviet-era carrier — the “Admiral Gorshkov” — out of mothballs, rebuild it to enhance its ability to support jet fighters and sell it to India to replace one of New Delhi’s aged British-built carriers or flattops.
The roughly $1-billion deal was supposed to be a win-win. India would get a reasonably up-to-date carrier for a fraction of the cost of building a new one. (Today, a new large U.S. carrier costs as much as $14 billion.) Meanwhile, Russia’s defense industry would gain fresh experience in carrier construction that should prove useful when it came time to replace “Kuznetsov.”
But the carrier sale quickly turned into a disaster for both countries. Moscow had underestimated the deficiencies of its main Sevmash shipyard on the White Sea. Costs more than doubled when workers fell behind schedule. Sevmash finally finished the refurbished flattop in late 2013 — five years late.
Then on its maiden voyage from Russia to India, the carrier’s engines broke down, an unsurprising development considering “Kuznetsov’s” tarnished record. The Indian deal was supposed to reinvigorate Russian shipbuilding. Instead it only underscored the industry’s weakness. Russia inked a similar deal with France in 2010 to acquire two French-made assault ships for $2 billion. Russian companies would contribute to the vessels’ construction and, at some later date, might build a few more of the ships on their own. The Mistral-class vessels can carry only helicopters, not fixed-wing planes. Still, Russian officials hoped that co-producing the ships with France would help restore Russia’s ability to construct big warships.
“The purchase of Mistral shipbuilding technology will help Russia to grasp large-capacity shipbuilding,” Russian Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky said. “It is important for construction of ships like the future ocean-going class destroyer and later an aircraft carrier.”
But the French program failed in even more dramatic fashion than the Indian effort. Paris suspended the Mistral deal after Russian troops invaded Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in early 2014. Notably, when Russia annexed Crimea, it failed to seize Kiev’s main shipyards just north of the peninsula — the same yards that had assembled the Soviet carriers, including Kuznetsov.
For at least 11 years, Moscow has been trying to restore its ability to build aircraft carriers but has made little progress. And with the Russian economy in free fall, owing in large part to sanctions that other countries have imposed over the war in eastern Ukraine, even that modest progress could grind to a halt.
Maj. Gen. Igor Kozhin, the Russian navy’s chief of naval aviation, said a carrier could be ready before 2025. But one expert doubts if even that is possible. “The earliest that Russia could build a new aircraft carrier is 2027,” estimated Dmitry Gorenburg, a research scientist who is an associate at the Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies at Harvard University.
So any concept for a new Russian flattop will, for now, remain just that — a concept. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:24 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond $10-12 billion and it will be done. Nobody wants to blow $10 billion on it that's the real issue. Also, why build 100k ton nuclear monsters? Sevmash can built conventional carriers of the Vikramiditya type at 50,000 tons tomorrow for $7 billion a unit. No point building 100k tons just because the US does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472971) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:26 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life yeah bro, you don't have a single large modern aircraft carrier because you don't want one. it'd just be oafish and wasteful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472986) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:42 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Except the Kuz of course and they modernized the Vik for India just fine. They should just build more Viks. Sevmash could do it tomorrow but there is no need for that class of ship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473133) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:16 PM Author: charcoal locale Lol. Yeah if Russia fires nukes, it'll be super grateful it has one boat with a tug full of oil following it to win the ultimate victory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472916) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:19 PM Author: Aggressive love of her life lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472931) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:33 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473044) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:19 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472934) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:28 PM Author: Yellow station So your navy can't dock anywhere because Russia has no friends who will let Russian ships visit?
NOFRIENDPWNED. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:30 PM Author: marvelous forum IDK man, Havana and Venezuela are probably pretty good port stops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473017) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:43 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Thats what happens when your declared goal in life in conquering the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473139) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:49 PM Author: Mahogany spectacular institution quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472691) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:06 PM Author: Electric slap-happy foreskin black woman cant wait for teh USS Barack Hussein Obama. Only spics and trannies will be allowed on board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472829) |
Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:42 PM Author: umber chapel Ours are being replaced with F-35s. Russia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472639) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:46 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Russia built more news jets in 2014 than the entirety of NATO. This year alone will see 14 Su-35's, 16 Su-34's, 28 Su-30SM's, 10 MiG-29K/KUB's and 5 Su-30MK's enter service and this is way down from the 120 jets last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472662) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:48 PM Author: charcoal locale U.S. Has more aircraft than Russia and China combined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472679) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:50 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Mothballed and rotting in fields only. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472693) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:08 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472848) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:18 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Do the math on a fleet that size where each pilot has to do his 250 NATO mandated hours a year at $40k a flight hour (though for the F-22 and F-35 its 100k per flight hour and for the F-15 it 50k so 40k a being generous). That's $140 billion dollars a year. The USAF's entire annual budget is only $170 billion a year and more than half of that is wages and benefits. The US government is NOT operating 14,000 aircraft. Not in its wettest dreams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472928) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:22 PM Author: charcoal locale You do realize that those figures are divided between all the services right? And doesn't include national guard budgets either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472953) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:25 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Same is true in every country. Bulk is with the USAF. The Navy has like 700 jets of which maybe 550 are good to go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472976) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:29 PM Author: charcoal locale Which is literally equal to all the jets that Russia has in all branches. And by your own admission, most are in the Air Force. So the U.S. Navy alone has the same number of jets as all of Russia, yet you're claiming something close to parity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473014) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:43 PM Author: Mahogany spectacular institution quadroon Livejournal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472641) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:46 PM Author: Brilliant casino philosopher-king You included a training aircraft on this list.
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:52 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond The figure for Russia includes a Yak-52 trainer lost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472709) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:47 PM Author: charcoal locale Losing 8 air craft out of 3000 vs 8 out of 13,000 brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472670) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:49 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Epic flame. The US only operates about 3000 jets and Russia only operates about 1800. The rest are mothballed and rotting in fields. The logic that gives the US 13,000 jets is the logic that gives Russia 8,000. Somewhere in the steppe there are still legions of mothballed MiG-23's that will never fly but ostensibly MIGHT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472685) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:53 PM Author: charcoal locale Actually that figure doesn't even include any aircraft in overseas bases.
It's also more like 769 jets to 2200. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 9:57 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472745) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:02 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond BS on both numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472797) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:05 PM Author: charcoal locale And your numbers are more reliable because they come from the super honest Russian government? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472817) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:09 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Not really, but the US cant run 13,000 jets with its defense budget and Russia sure as hell cant run 3000. Simple math. There are vast numbers of jets mothballed and rotting in fields in both countries. Most of the F-16 fleet is simply not operational same for the MiG-29 fleet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472856) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:12 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472878) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:22 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Really not how it works. They do cannibalize the engines but the older jets have different avionics and are just part supplies for the newer jets. Nobody if flying block 25 F-16's today though they ostensibly still exist rotting in a field somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472950) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:33 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473039) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:14 PM Author: charcoal locale The U.S. Military budget is At least 6x times of Russia's. Proportionally, the U.S. Airforce should probably be that much larger. Not sure how you're not understanding this. Your country has the same budget as Saudi Arabias. Accept this and lean to understand your country is a second tier military power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472899) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:20 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond US wages are 4x Russia's. That's where most of the defense budget goes. Bang for buck in kit and material isnt that different. You have to look at it in PPP terms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472940) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:28 PM Author: charcoal locale Not even Russia claims this.
http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20111108/168524798.html |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:39 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond Medvedev stopped being president and that shit never happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473103) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:28 PM Author: Cocky Maroon Sandwich ARE Reptile: "You don't understand bro. Our advantage is that our elite troops are poorly paid." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473002) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:29 PM Author: marvelous forum and perpetually pissed up on cheap vodka... then again that sounds like most of the Marines I know.
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:40 PM Author: Glittery selfie generalized bond And our factories are state owned so an Su-35 costs like $40 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473113) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:51 PM Author: charcoal locale Yeah Russia's well known for the quality of its state owned manufacturers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473191) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:09 PM Author: demanding galvanic church building partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28472855) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 10:28 PM Author: marvelous forum Only relevant comparison is loss per flight hour.
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 11:49 PM Author: contagious whorehouse LOL @ Are Reptile ITT. Dude, go back to your shiTTT country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28473713) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 2:20 AM Author: free-loading appetizing property lol those 8 aircraft would fuck up Russia by themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2953157&forum_id=2#28474535) |
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