Libs are so dishonest discussing abortion its really off putting
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:29 PM Author: Turquoise Lascivious Temple
They always make the following dishonest talking points:
1. Abortion is only a tiny part of what Planned Parenthood does, so by defunding them you are penalizing poor women needing cancer screenings.
This is nonsense, as you could easily strike a compromise where Congress funded Planned Parenthood provided they not offer abortions. It's a choice to tie abortion to cancer screenings, and one that is easily remedied.
2. Planned Parenthood receives no federal funding for abortions.
What does this even mean? They receive federal funding, period. Do they separate out the rent and utilities for abortion? Do they spin off the abortion section to a separate LLC that receives no funding from the parent? Of course not, it's all one entity and one pot. It's like giving $1 million to Paula Deen and saying you were just giving it to to the non-racist part of her, but she's assured you her racist side won't enjoy her new yacht.
3. Most egregiously, there is this argument that wanting to end abortion is anti-woman hate.
I realize our current media is killing our ability to empathize with others, but its pretty obvious why many people are against abortion. To dismiss it as being mad at women for having sex is stupid and glib. Furthermore, the most ardent pro-lifers are almost always women.
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:41 PM Author: Cerebral Dun Fat Ankles Coffee Pot
Yeah but consequence-free hedonism in every other sphere of life has a negative impact on society (drugs, alcohol, overeating, gambling). And "you knew the consequences" applies to men too, they end up getting child support pwned having kids out of wedlock. If we could put the genie back in the bottle and people only had sex with someone they'd want a kid with, the world would be a better place (aside from nasty problems like rape).
Abortion makes me morally uncomfortable when it's late term and the fetus has a good chance of survival outside the womb. At early stages it's not a human life and totally fine. Ask anyone you know who's tried to get pregnant. If they had a miscarriage in the first month it's disapointing but basically shrugged off and you try again. Losing a baby 6 months in after you've felt it kicking, saw the ultrasounds, heard its heart beating is devastating.
Reptiles are just as intellectually dishonest though: some of them want to ban birth control, super early pill abortions when it's preventing a dozen cells from implanting, teaching effective sex ed, etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741631) |
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:50 PM Author: ocher sticky milk nursing home
You're basically making some sort of argument rooted in a naturalistic fallcy: WE MUST ALLOW THE CONSEQUENCES TO FLOW AS NATURE INTENDED! INTERVENTION IS IMMORAL!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741678)
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:38 PM Author: Twinkling Main People
...Did I say it's 50/50?
This is one of the most annoying things about xoxo conservatives - you spend all of your time trying to expose libs' ulterior motives but you're entirely incapable of turning the critical lens on yourselves.
Look, there is a large portion of the Republican Party that thinks women should be punished for having sex outside of wedlock. I have no way of knowing whether it's 50% or 27% but it's sorta unimportant.
It comes out a lot as well when birth control comes up, like the issue with the chick from GULC. If you think this "sluts deserve to suffer" sentiment is absent from the party, well then you're blind,
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Turquoise Lascivious Temple
Sorry, this made me really mad and I realized why so I'm adding it as dishonesty number 4:
4. Sure a lot of people are pro-life because they care about fetuses but a lot of people do ant to punish women for having sex.
There is somehow this idea that because there may be some people who hold a belief like that this, that is a reason to not empathize with anyone on the same side of the issue. This is a strategy you see being employed a ton with Trump lately. You'll see the Huffington Post running a front page endorsement of Trump from a KKK leader, and they use that as evidence that Trump is a racist - as if they've ever asked the KKK leader's opinion on anything else. This is perhaps the most dishonest of lib tactics.
Surely some women use abortions as a method of birth control, but the left would be outraged if anyone said "We have to ban abortion because women use it as birth control." Yet people like Blue Smoke will discuss some small subset of people angry at women for having sex as an honest, important point in the debate. As if that belief nullifies the sincere beliefs of many people who think abortion is killing a child.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:00 PM Author: Twinkling Main People
uh, what? youre getting angry at shit I never said
I never said anyone's beliefs nullify anyone else's.
I don't think the subset of people I'm referring to is "small" but you have no way of knowing how many people are in this group than I am. I think discussing them is as important as anything else discussed on xoxo. A thread about some parent who is getting a sex change for their toddler will generate a 300-post thread about how degenerate the Democratic Party is, even though people who hold that opinion are some fraction of 1% of Dems.
I hate what an echo chamber this place has become, and if you question conservative positions at all you're just mindlessly attacked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737752) |
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:47 PM Author: Well-lubricated native wagecucks
(Guy who is confusing the RCC and the Episcopal Church)
Anyway, I want Blue Smoke to come crawling into my sub-thread apologizing for her bullshit post above. The Church is the FACE of the pro-life movement and its also the biggest global charitable enterprise in the world and in human history.
But yeah, pro-lifers dont "care" about humans.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:51 PM Author: Twinkling Main People
WTF?
I didn't say anything about Catholics.
I'm referring to individual conservatives .(there are a ton of them on this board) who are ardently,pro-life but also don't want to pay taxes and want social programs eroded.
I didn't say there are NO people on earth who are pro-life and care about the baby's outcome, I'm just responding to the traditional Republic position of being anti-abortion and anti-welfare state.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:59 PM Author: Well-lubricated native wagecucks
you said the "pro life cause" and I responded using your words as the basis for my response.
The people youre describing are rare and probably a strawman, which gets us back to OP's point.
Pro-abortioners are very disingenuous.
The main muscle behind the anti-Roe movement for decades has been the RCC. Disagree with all you like, but dont have the gall to beat it down as a strawman who is not charitable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737747)
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:15 PM Author: Twinkling Main People
LOL I love how you people who post on fucking AUTOADMIT are choosing tonight ti pretend that you don't know exactly what I'm talking about with people being resentful at sluts and wanting them to take responsibility for their actions. It's said all the time on here and it's alluded to and hunted at IRL even though obviously no one can come out and say it.
But whatever. Y'all are just going to keep pretending that I'm crazy for even suggesting that this is a sizable groups of people of people.
No, you're right I don't have any quotes from politicians or anything so you win I guess.
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:23 PM Author: Twinkling Main People
I thought Republicans were supposed to be the practical ones, the people concerned with consequences of their actions.
The reality is, if you take away abortion from women who don't want it you're forcing women who don't want to and generally can't afford to, to raise children. Someone has to provide for these children's needs (unless they are to starve on the street, which is I suppose a consistent position at least).
My argument isn't that people who think abortion is wrong should have to support the resultant children. I was just saying that I'd unspectacular pro-life people more if they showed some concern for the problems that their preferred policies will cause (and yes, I think it's awesome for the Catholic Church to provide services for the needy).
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Date: September 11th, 2015 8:40 PM Author: Well-lubricated native wagecucks
18000 COP
This is true of so many lib positions. I would likely still be more amenable to some lib positions but for the dishonesty.
It galls me to say so, but even Hillary Clinton's positions are not that terrible... but Id rather pluck my eyes out than see her POTUS only because of her smug lying ways.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28737603)
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Date: September 11th, 2015 9:06 PM Author: stirring scourge upon the earth house
meanwhile in lib land:
In his free ebook, “Jesus For Revolutionaries,” UCLA ethnic professor Robert Chao Romero states that Jesus would support immigration reform, affirmative action and Obamacare.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15722/
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Date: September 12th, 2015 4:07 PM Author: aggressive bisexual forum volcanic crater
Good thread.
*endorses*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2987167&forum_id=2#28741456) |
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