Date: September 15th, 2015 1:03 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
really? and i'm talking about forced male anal rape here, which is worse than vaginal.
sure it'd hurt, and it'd be humiliating, but it's not so TRAUMATIC as the prospect of getting knocked the fuck out, losing your teeth, getting a broken nose, etc.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:17 PM Author: Pontificating french chef tank
It's a more personal invasion. That said, a man raping a straight man is much worse than a man raping a woman, because of the added sexual orientation shame.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:25 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
"it's a more personal invasion"
i feel like this is so subjective though, and it appeals to all those antiquated sex-negative attitudes that liberals are supposed to be against.
i feel like getting clocked by a gang of "youths" playing the knockout game, for apparently no reason and with no warning, is more humiliating than getting raped. it would fuck with my psychology a lot more given that i would be afraid to walk around in public.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:14 PM Author: disturbing appetizing stag film rigpig
if feminists really want women to be treated like men they shld treat it just as a violent assault on a man... the fact society treats it almost like murder clearly is sexist, a way for society to put a higher value on a woman's sexuality than on a man's, feminists shld not need special protections for their vag, that in of itself is sexist
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:29 PM Author: Lilac apoplectic step-uncle's house
Not flame, here is the truth: it's actually not a big deal for women, but it *is* a big deal for men.
a man is emasculated by rape. he's symbolically murdered. a woman has no masculinity to lose, so she is only confirmed in her passive femininity by rape.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:34 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
reminds me of an article i read a while ago by someone who worked with survivors of child sex abuse. she argued that most of the trauma that survivors feel is created many years after the fact, after they've understood what happened and have internalized society's message as to how traumatized they "should" feel.
obviously not talking about really violent kinds of abuse, but e.g. daddy showing you his peepee and touching yours is going to be more confusing than anything else. not much trauma there.
but all the outrage about how traumatizing sex abuse necessarily IS, creates the trauma in survivors' minds because they think that's how they should feel. and this unnecessarily ruins many survivors' lives when they could have been a lot happier without society inundating them with this message.
Date: September 15th, 2015 4:02 PM Author: Lilac apoplectic step-uncle's house
cr.
it's entirely circular: we insist on making a big deal of rape---> consequently, rape is a big deal.
the truth is that a woman can be 'raped' and suffer absolutely no physical/emotional harm (indeed, she is likely to enjoy herself). so, to claim that rape is in any way categorically similar to 'murder', or injurious assault, is ludicrous.
we 'socially construct' the harm, by insisting that it exists.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:31 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
feels liek a flame question but
rape is a huge deal for women because children are fucking costly as hell. theres a substantial chance that you will die because of the kid, and even if you don't, you essentially lose a huge chunk of your life and nutrition to the thing.
you might say that in a world of abortion this is not a big deal, but you're asking why something is emotionally terrible, and there is an evolutionary answer at play. getting dressed down and humiliated by your asshole boss every day shouldn't be a problem at all, it only bothers you because there are tens of thousands of years of human evolution telling you that that situation is life threatening and you need to either fight back or get the fuck away.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:42 PM Author: disturbing appetizing stag film rigpig
if there is an evolutionary reason to be aghast abt rape it likely is more abt social pressure created by being raped i.e. other men wont want to marry you, you are shunned, other women think u are used up etc.... much of the "trauma" is related to these things, not to any long term physical after effects
biologically rape has likely been a fuking major factor in human creation, we are all the products of rape, multiple rapes in fact
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:50 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
marriage is to recent of a thing to be a strong evolutionary pressure
the point is that mate selectivity improves offspring fitness. the more selective you are, all things equal, the better off your line will be. there's no real evolutionary "limit" to how unenthusiastic a woman should be about getting fucked by a wizard, so it makes sense that over time the preferred lines have been women for whom the thought of having sex with a wizard causes them to enter a catatonic state.
the fact that "rapes still happen" doesn't do anything to undermine this point. the point is that the amount of rape that happens is significantly lower than it could have been, because women are naturally vigilant and risk-averse. women who exercise control of their breeding have stronger, chaddier offspring. and women who end up getting raped end up raising a brood of XO posters.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
well thats exactly my point. once you establish a strong stigma around rape, then you have actually created a selective pressure that changes who actually gets to successfully rape. wizards don't not-rape because they are kind empathetic souls. they don't rape because they don't have the opportunity or ability, and this is a result of the behavior of women and the rules of society.
since rape is not socially acceptable, a larger than "natural" amount of it tends to happen in the context of military conquest or warfare. this makes the rapists chaddier than you'd otherwise expect, for example
even quasi-chad "date rape" can be viewed as a rape strategy that evolved in a system of rape stigma. date rape by definition means that the woman is "dating" or otherwise willing to tolerate the presence of the guy, which means he has already demonstrated some minimum level of fitness.
as you point out, wizards can't date rape girls because girls won't even be around wizards in the first place. but that's my point. wizards can't rape girls precisely because of anti-wizard mating strategies that emerged a million years ago
Date: September 15th, 2015 2:18 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
i didn't say rapists were chads. i said that stigma against rape means that the quality of dudes that tend to pull it off becomes slightly pushed towards the chad direction. as in they have operational legs and the physical strength necessary to carry a backpack.
given two otherwise identical girls, one that will fuck whoever and one that is conventionally picky by western standards, girl #2 is going to very likely end up with a better evolutionary outcome. even if you are pushing the quality of rapists slightly more towards fitness (by making them go pass basic training first), there's still no reason why the aversion to rape should suddenly reverse.
just think about it this way. lets assume there is a girl with the mutation that you propose. she has 0 fear of rape and so takes no precautions against it. any dude that makes a pass at her she simply accepts and lets him fuck her.
what do you expect will be the IQ of her first child?
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:27 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
you make little sense. your evolutionary arguments are empty.
a girl who has the "fuck a lot of guys" gene may not have the best children, but if she has twice as many children, that can guarantee evolutionary fitness too.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:35 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
having a child is incredibly costly. one of the many costs is the opportunity cost of not having somebody else's child for a year or more.
extremely permissive women are not, in practice, likely to have more children than more selective women. they are simply going to have a handful of children of lower quality.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:41 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
because if it is consensual, the man has passed whatever subconscious fitness threshold the woman is applying to the mating, so it isn't triggering her defcon-5 uterus-protection mechanisms.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
BUT SHE WASTED 10 OF HER MOST FERTILE YEARS CHASING COCK WITHOUT REPRODUCING WITH THE MAXIMUM CHAD SHE COULD FIND. HER TRAUMA CENTERS MUST BE GOING BALLISTIC.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:46 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
well at least i finally got you to betray how fucking deranged you are. i guess we can close this thread up now.
"BUT SHE WASTED 10 OF HER MOST FERTILE YEARS CHASING COCK WITHOUT REPRODUCING WITH THE MAXIMUM CHAD SHE COULD FIND. HER TRAUMA CENTERS MUST BE GOING BALLISTIC."
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:53 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
you seem to not grasp the idea that evolution creates natural impulses, but not actual strategic thinking.
the impulse is to have sex with fit mates. a woman who spends her 20s "chasing cock" by fucking chads and avoiding virgin losers like you is perfectly consistent with my theory.
similarly, guys seem to be perfectly happy having sex with girls who are not ovulating. this isn't inconsistent with the claim that the male sex drive serves an evolutionary function.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:58 PM Author: Dun Sickened Set
Yeah he doesn't understand that evo psych isn't conscious. When a woman meets an attractive man she isn't consciously considering having children with him, she just feels sexually attracted to him.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:58 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
well okay, um, i have my OWN evolutionary theories.
women should abhor single rapes because it could possibly be a low-status loser doing the raping.
but women should LOVE public group rapes because this most likely signifies a changing of the societal power structure, wherein the men of her society are conquered through war and another group of men take her as their sexual property.
so, because wars and the rapes that ensued from them played a large role in human evolutionary history, i have come to these trenchant conclusions.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:51 PM Author: Dun Sickened Set
EVOLUTIONARILY WOMEN NEEDED MEN TO HELP THEM RAISE THEIR KIDS YOU IDIOT.
If it was just about popping out kids every women could easily find enough sex to remain pregnant from 12 to 50. Evolutionarily, the female imperative isn't just to get knocked up, but to get knocked up by a high quality male who will help her care for their kids.
Do you understand why being knocked over the head and fucked by some strange dude before he runs off is not evolutionarily advantageous for a woman?
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:57 PM Author: Dun Sickened Set
I don't think you understand evolutionary psychology. It takes hundreds of generations to change; it doesn't change in fifty years because of the advent of birth control.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:58 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
people don't operate under "evolutionary imperatives"
people act based on impulses
impulses that increase offspring fitness spread.
those impulses become seemingly default behavior
that behavior continues even when changes to the environment are created, because evolution is slow.
over the next 100,000 years, i think you will see the stigma against date rape relax slightly. which is great news for your future rape-conceived progeny, OP.
Date: September 15th, 2015 4:05 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
and yet, the most extreme xo poster wouldn't advocate going back to the way things were done in pre-modern times.
and as far as i know, trauma from rape has INCREASED from the past when rape, minus the social stigma, was not as damaging to one's psychology.
the point is that evolutionary theories are an interesting, dull background noise, but LOL at anyone who automatically reaches for them in a conversation such as this.
Date: September 15th, 2015 4:07 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
seriously its hard to argue with this guy because he has all of the rage and misogyny of a terrible XO poster, but seems to actively position himself against many XO misogyny memes.
Date: September 15th, 2015 5:56 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
i don't think i suggested that. you seem to be mostly interested in proving something like "modern feminists hold inconsistent views on sex"
thats cool, but thats not the discussion we are having.
afaik, the vast vast majority of women aren't especially interested in anonymous sex. they are mostly interested in long-term relationships with high-value males.
some 30 year old women affect a disinterest in relationships and a love of cheap sex, but when you look at who is typically doing it, it seems very reminiscent of how rappers brag about loving the street life. nobody actually opts into that life, but some people do try to turn lemons into lemonade.
Date: September 15th, 2015 1:59 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
women don't want to be raped for the same reason you don't want to be kicked in the balls. it is a huge risk to offspring fitness.
that said i think you are MORE trying to argue that the post-rape trauma we associate with the act is largely a result of social conditioning, which is probably partly true.
Date: September 15th, 2015 2:09 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
when you freeze your sperm, and protect your ability to procreate in the future, do you become impervious to the pain associated with getting kicked in the nuts?
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:29 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
just do "here's a non-falsifiable evolutionary 'argument' for why women feel a certain way, without getting inside their heads even a little bit to really understand what feeling that way is like."
it's not like getting kicked in the balls, because there you can actually point to a real physical pain and describe it.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:38 PM Author: trip aqua parlour
how do i know your pain from being kicked in the balls is real? how do i know you're not just a histrionic little faggot? what methods do i use?
well one of them is i measure the observable consequences. (we do that with rape victims)
then i come up with "non-falsifiable evolutionary 'arguments'" for why it probably isn't so surprising that you respond negatively to testicular damage.
sorry that i came into your thread and fucked up your "rape is nbd" thesis. i'll let you carry on being a dipshit.
Date: September 15th, 2015 3:43 PM Author: flushed contagious associate
yeah, i would just go from "dude howling in pain at getting balls crushed" to "mumbo-jumbo evolutionary theory spanning millenia as to why it hurts to get your balls crushed."
i definitely would NOT try to understand the anatomy of balls and why they hurt when put under tremendous physical force, or anything like that.
Date: September 15th, 2015 7:57 PM Author: slippery box office
it's not bad in a vacuum but if someone tried to rape my own wife/gf/daughter/sister/mother, etc I would kill or be killed trying to stop it from happening.