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***SULLIVAN & CROMWELL LEAKED HELLHOLE MEMO*** *OFFICIAL THREAD*

Law360, New York (October 15, 2015, 8:02 PM ET) -- Sullivan ...
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<><><>the iron chains of BIGLAW<><...
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Lol, can imagine associates fuming as they read that memo
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What the fuck possesses people to incrementally raise a vaca...
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hahaha.
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Somehow I don't imagine partner Mort Kikenstein will be spen...
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pretty crap. my firm's policy has always been 4 hours. we ...
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Fucking LOL
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just reading this shit is ljl, why do ppl put up with any co...
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CR. Lol at fucking corporate slaves. "I'm prestigiou...
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considering you have no friends or social relations, it woul...
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Hint: nobody in these jobs really takes vacations. At most y...
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even in house? do they roll over or do you get paid out at ...
Histrionic shitlib
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how do you live this way? People are irrational cowards, esp...
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6-8 WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR????? You must be in Europe, rig...
Histrionic shitlib
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No, this isn't flame. When I'm in there I am a fucking ox th...
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you're at a firm? If so, I know someone like that. Never o...
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guy who lies you post way too much on here to be this fucki...
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naw. Last year: 2 weeks in South America, 2 weeks in Florida...
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LOL
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Sure thing, bro. They dont have any resiliency in staff to s...
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There are better spots in your industry than what you descri...
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your problem is your boss
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Jesus Christ, who would want to live like that? The corporat...
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Then they are understaffed. Also, I am a very hardworking...
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You are a huge loser working bs shitbank inhouse. Jfc why go...
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6-8 weeks seems extreme for the U.S. but agree with this sen...
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And you'll eat whatever feces is out in your plate. When sad...
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And they reply "nature of the assignment"
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And you reply, I guess I will go check out [firm upstairs]
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And they don't even notice that you're gone Lol @ any bigla...
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Like I said above man, if you are good (solve problems on ow...
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Why would you ever draft anything freehand
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clients and partners alike appreciate the curlicues on his d...
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even 6 weeks is more than french workers get, let alone 8
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I think goal in biglaw once you're beyond a junior should be...
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I think 40 days ---THAT YOU CAN AND ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE--is...
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lol, I'm in Biglaw and took almost a month worth of vacation...
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Almost a month =/= 6-8 weeks
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It's nice that you know how many weeks are in a month, but t...
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i bet your trials went well
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We won all three. I took a week or so off after each one.
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lulz my last year with my company while i was in house, i to...
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Yeah, official vacation policy is pure flame.
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Vacation days won’t count against a lawyer's total vacation ...
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Associate: What had happened was I took a vacation day but m...
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ljl
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"Sullivan & Cromwell said lawyers who miss the dead...
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I think this is a pretty common practice, actually
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That they take away direct deposit? I have never fucking hea...
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Yes At my firm you have to go grovel at the toad lawyer in...
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Metric only insofar as it counts against you!
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It was a new policy that they announced only in in person gr...
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O WHAT A METRIC
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Of all the petty bullshit I heard of in BIGLAW, that is by f...
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1000% agree.
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i will literally never understand the obsession with these w...
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(Guy who needs to go pick up his paycheck from Mort on 34, a...
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fuck that. i have no patience for that shit. it's unnecess...
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(broken biglawyer implicitly conceding there is a certain am...
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,he said, posing in the purloined panties
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Some clients need to be billed monthly and if you don't get ...
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>> i will literally never understand the obsession wit...
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It makes sense only because people underbill when they do th...
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Research has shown that people bill more time when they do i...
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If this was the only consequence, I would not mind at all. ...
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That's why those dinner/cab limits are so LOL-worthy
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This is really the most chilling part.
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This thread reminds me of the time my family planned a trip ...
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You're a better associate than me. I would have said to fuc...
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I would have facefucked MP on my way out the door. Literall...
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I agree with that assessment now completely, but when I was ...
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it does happen, but almost never with the type of trip you a...
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Stockholm syndrome or something. That shit is crazy. I've ...
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I like to think God smote him for being a dick. But it was p...
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And so goes the circle of shit in biglaw
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did you attend your partner's funeral?
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what the fuck
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jesus christ, i would have quit on the spot
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"and instead must obtain their paychecks from their pra...
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I can literally picture the Jew grins of the soulless slavem...
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wtf is a "vacation day" in Biglaw? my firm doesn't...
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There is normally a formal vacation policy, but many firms o...
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That's right - it's not like anyone gives a shit about how m...
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Other than California where you have to either take it, the ...
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Correct. My firm switched to unlimited recently. Mother fu...
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The absolute worst part, to me, is how they try to spin it a...
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my firm was pretty upfront that it was a fuck you.
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Right - so what I'm saying is, after you hit your cap in lik...
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This all seems fairly standard. I'm pretty sure we had a din...
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(these kidnappers have raised some very good points)
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Dude - the first year rates are like $400/hour and the midle...
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yes, but if they have 4 hours of billable time in a day, we ...
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for not inputing your hours? They should just withhold it al...
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jfc, it's not about not inputting your hours. it's about no...
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They should fire you if it's such a big deal. If it's not, t...
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Oh I don't think it's okay as a normative matter But desc...
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NORMATIVE matter BUT DESCRIPTIVELY, he lisped!!!!
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Septembers off is sooooo unghhhhhh
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:24 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

Law360, New York (October 15, 2015, 8:02 PM ET) -- Sullivan & Cromwell is cutting back on vacation time and capping overtime dinners among other policy changes in the face of high competition to attract clients, according to a Thursday report.

The firm announced several changes to its administrative policies and procedures in a recently leaked memo, including limiting meals and increasing the number of client hours that can affect vacation days, Above the Law reported Thursday.

“Based on past discussions with the Associate Experience Committee and feedback from associate focus groups, we have adopted a number of changes to certain administrative policies and procedures,” the firm said in the brief Oct. 2 memo.

Vacation days won’t count against a lawyer's total vacation allotment if they record four or more client hours on a planned vacation day, the memo said, a total higher than what Above the Law reports used to be a three hour limit.

The firm is also revising its meal policy for evening and weekend meals, saying it will increase the meal limit to $35, including tip and gratuity, regardless of meal limits imposed by clients. But according to an Above the Law tipster, there never used to be a hard limit even though the memo describes the limit as being increased.

Car services were another target of the memo, with the firm saying it has implemented a rate increase for car services and a voluntary gratuity for drivers in an effort to shorten wait times. Sullivan & Cromwell said it has also adopted guidelines to facilitate the use of Uber when it’s more convenient than its black car services, noting its reimbursement will include surge pricing up to 125 percent.

In response to client requirements and requests, the firm instructed its attorneys to submit daily time entries on the second Monday following the end of the week absent any holidays.

Sullivan & Cromwell said lawyers who miss the deadline two weeks in a row won't be eligible for direct deposit for the following two pay periods and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner.

On a different note, the firm also announced it will provide standing desks and headsets to anyone who requests them and said the fitness center at its 125 Broad Street location in New York will be open weekends from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

The memo concluded by saying it has identified ways to improve its travel department after conducting a satisfaction survey, including improving its services with American Express and reallocating its travel department staff to ensure better coverage.

Representatives for Sullivan & Cromwell didn’t respond Thursday to requests for comment.

— Editing by Ben Guilfoy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977716)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:26 AM
Author: hideous marvelous orchestra pit



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:39 AM
Author: red beady-eyed voyeur turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978476)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:26 AM
Author: buck-toothed meetinghouse gaming laptop

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977718)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:31 AM
Author: avocado rambunctious whorehouse



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:28 AM
Author: curious scarlet main people plaza

<><><>the iron chains of BIGLAW<><><>

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977720)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:34 AM
Author: frozen lavender striped hyena national

Lol, can imagine associates fuming as they read that memo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977726)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:40 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

What the fuck possesses people to incrementally raise a vacation policy hours-worked metric by *1* hour. How much sickening debate went into this? Years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977729)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:42 AM
Author: buck-toothed meetinghouse gaming laptop

hahaha.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977731)



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Date: March 4th, 2018 1:54 AM
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:46 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Old Irish Cottage

Somehow I don't imagine partner Mort Kikenstein will be spending any less time at his house in Amagansett next summer....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977732)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 7:30 AM
Author: hideous marvelous orchestra pit



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:55 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

pretty crap. my firm's policy has always been 4 hours. we have no policy on uber - yet - so can use it whenever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977744)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:58 AM
Author: Flickering dog poop den

Fucking LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977745)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 7:02 AM
Author: blue hairy legs

just reading this shit is ljl, why do ppl put up with any corporate env esp BIGLAW, its insane bullshit.. as a solo i literally wake up whenever i want, i never wear fuking dress clothes, never deal with menopoausal bitch staff, etc.. putting up with all this crap is insanely stupid, fuk law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977750)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:05 AM
Author: internet-worthy violent forum

CR. Lol at fucking corporate slaves.

"I'm prestigious! I'm prestigious!" pranced the BIGLAW lawyer, oblivious to the fact that most people were simply in awe of his shitty life, not his prestige.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977838)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:10 AM
Author: underhanded sanctuary



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:04 AM
Author: wine field multi-billionaire



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:47 PM
Author: Haunting Sinister Point Queen Of The Night



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:24 PM
Author: massive stead chad



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Date: October 28th, 2015 6:02 PM
Author: beta ratface toilet seat



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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:21 PM
Author: 180 Mentally Impaired Station Regret

considering you have no friends or social relations, it would make sense for you to work in big law. but then again, you are dumb and unbalanced, and would get fired quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981354)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:10 AM
Author: medicated preventive strike

Hint: nobody in these jobs really takes vacations. At most you do 3-4 day weekends. I work a supposedly chill in-house gig and took 2 days in 2015. On paper I have 21 vacation days but LMAO at ever using them. The assholes who actually take a week are super senior or want to be fired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977853)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:17 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

even in house? do they roll over or do you get paid out at least?

at my firm if you don't use them you lose them. sucks because can't ever take them all. fuck them all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977869)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:21 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

how do you live this way? People are irrational cowards, especially in classes 2009-2012. These classes are so thin. Fear of vacation and travel derives from a lack of asserting control over one's life. lol if you can't say that you'll be offline and just let do. If they fire you, you are expendable anyway. If you're good, you can do whatever. They need you.

I have taken 6-8 weeks out of the office each the last two years and will this year too. Can't let yourself give a fuck. Never got a bad bonus, always get stellar reviews. I would kill myself if I lived in fear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977876)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:24 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

6-8 WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR?????

You must be in Europe, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977885)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:25 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

No, this isn't flame. When I'm in there I am a fucking ox though and hours come in very good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977892)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:32 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

you're at a firm?

If so, I know someone like that. Never officially on vacation, always "working remotely" (dumping work on juniors) from ski trips or bachelor weekends or birthday trips.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977905)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:56 PM
Author: Swashbuckling nudist sneaky criminal stag film

guy who lies

you post way too much on here to be this fucking ox, ace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979405)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:38 PM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

naw. Last year: 2 weeks in South America, 2 weeks in Florida keys and home, 1 in outer banks. 15 long weekends where I left on a Thursday.

By and end of this year: 3 week wedding and honeymoon, 10 long weekends with Thursday travel, 1 week in Europe, 1 week skiing, 1 week beach.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979677)



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Date: October 28th, 2015 5:58 PM
Author: Haunting Sinister Point Queen Of The Night

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29061550)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:25 AM
Author: medicated preventive strike

Sure thing, bro. They dont have any resiliency in staff to soak up the work when someone is out for more than a day.

I dont bill hourly, but I answer directly to a managing director. If I'm not here there is no one to do my work except the MD and you know what she's going to do when I dump 10 hours a day of shit on her head? She's going to wonder how the fuck dare I when there are 500,000 lawyers out there who would kill for my job and title and happily never take a day off. And she herself takes like zero time off.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977890)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:26 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

There are better spots in your industry than what you describe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977894)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:29 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

your problem is your boss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977897)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:55 AM
Author: diverse brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977988)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978063)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:34 AM
Author: internet-worthy violent forum

Jesus Christ, who would want to live like that? The corporate ladder is SPS. GenX losers really just hate Millennials because millennials rejected GenX's precious corporate grind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977909)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:17 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

Then they are understaffed.

Also, I am a very hardworking guy, but what pisses people off, and burns people out mentally, is the failure to give breaks and time off at the margin. No reason every lawyer can't get 2 weeks time off per year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978088)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:19 PM
Author: at-the-ready lascivious garrison

You are a huge loser working bs shitbank inhouse. Jfc why go inhouse at all unless you went straight from fordham



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28980991)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:29 AM
Author: bateful hairless antidepressant drug box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977899)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:56 AM
Author: diverse brunch

6-8 weeks seems extreme for the U.S. but agree with this sentiment and assessment. If you're a doormat on things like time off -- at least once you rise beyond the ranks of a junior -- you're conveying that you have no value.

Sent from my Iridium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977997)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:07 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

And you'll eat whatever feces is out in your plate. When sad workaholic partners tell their war/sob stories about working through their wedding, it is not credited to nod along, tongue wagging for approval like an eager puppy. You say, "that's grotesque and I'm sorry that happened to you."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978027)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:11 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

And they reply "nature of the assignment"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978046)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:12 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

And you reply, I guess I will go check out [firm upstairs]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978051)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:16 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

And they don't even notice that you're gone

Lol @ any biglaw firm actually respecting vacation/personal life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978084)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:19 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

Like I said above man, if you are good (solve problems on own, draft freehand, client relationships, run deals without much oversight), you will never be fired for this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978100)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:05 AM
Author: Gold Provocative School Selfie

Why would you ever draft anything freehand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978328)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:43 PM
Author: Stirring lilac set place of business

clients and partners alike appreciate the curlicues on his deal memos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979730)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: diverse brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978065)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: diverse brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978066)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:25 AM
Author: Shimmering base black woman

even 6 weeks is more than french workers get, let alone 8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978754)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:46 PM
Author: diverse brunch

I think goal in biglaw once you're beyond a junior should be 2-4 weeks, depending on how your case load progresses during year and how ambitious you are (and also the quality of the time -- 2 weeks of pure uninterrupted time away from firm may be worth more than 4 weeks of constant calls and small emergencies); varies -- e.g, wouldn't think to take 4 weeks if was a senior with eyes on partnership; wouldn't hesitate to do so if goal was coasting until talk. I sense European standard is closer to the 4-6 week range but varies depending on country

Sent from my Iridium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979753)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 2:10 PM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

I think 40 days ---THAT YOU CAN AND ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE--is pretty standard in Europe. 1-2 weeks at Christmas, 1-2 weeks for ski trip/Easter, 3-4 weeks in August.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979909)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

lol, I'm in Biglaw and took almost a month worth of vacation this year. I also had three trials so, there's that. But fuck man, take some vacation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978072)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

Almost a month =/= 6-8 weeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978091)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:19 AM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

It's nice that you know how many weeks are in a month, but that really has nothing to do with my poast or the one I was responding to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978103)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:49 PM
Author: Filthy flirting rehab

i bet your trials went well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979360)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:43 PM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

We won all three. I took a week or so off after each one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981140)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:24 AM
Author: Shimmering base black woman

lulz my last year with my company while i was in house, i took three weeks but in fairness i was senior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978743)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:39 PM
Author: Stirring lilac set place of business

Yeah, official vacation policy is pure flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979695)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:08 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

Vacation days won’t count against a lawyer's total vacation allotment if they record four or more client hours on a planned vacation day, the memo said, a total higher than what Above the Law reports used to be a three hour limit.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978032)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:12 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

Associate: What had happened was I took a vacation day but my Partner emailed me and asked me to do some work. I billed 3.8 hours, so I'd like another vacation day please.

Partner: FUCK OFF!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978059)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978061)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:11 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

"Sullivan & Cromwell said lawyers who miss the deadline two weeks in a row won't be eligible for direct deposit for the following two pay periods and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner."

Fucking LOL. I seriously would have quit over this because of treating us like fucking children. How I survived 4.5 years in BIGLAW is a mystery to me. It is as if I was a completely fucking different person then as I reflect back on it. A fucking horrible, horrible person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978048)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:12 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

I think this is a pretty common practice, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978052)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

That they take away direct deposit? I have never fucking heard of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978060)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

Yes

At my firm you have to go grovel at the toad lawyer in charge to beg for the check

Also my firm is so shit this is also a metric in determining bonus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978064)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:17 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

Metric only insofar as it counts against you!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978086)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

It was a new policy that they announced only in in person group meetings because they are so paranoid about a memo being leaked to ATL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978098)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

O WHAT A METRIC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978096)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

Of all the petty bullshit I heard of in BIGLAW, that is by far the pettiest. I seriously ate a lot of shit in BIGLAW, but I would not have tolerated that.

Something like that would have immediately made me call a recruiter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978097)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:19 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

1000% agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978102)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978062)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:16 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

i will literally never understand the obsession with these weekly time deadlines. firms run reports and bill monthly. and to the extent you are getting paid at a closing, or need to give the client a hard bill number, you ask people to sweep their time.

i am a patient and loyal guy, but a firm can go fuck itself if they're going to act like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978079)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

(Guy who needs to go pick up his paycheck from Mort on 34, and can expect a talk about his attitude problem)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978090)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

fuck that. i have no patience for that shit. it's unnecessarily demeaning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978099)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:56 AM
Author: Green contagious degenerate

(broken biglawyer implicitly conceding there is a certain amount of demeaning behavior that is necessary)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978563)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:28 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

,he said, posing in the purloined panties

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978771)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:26 AM
Author: burgundy pit headpube

Some clients need to be billed monthly and if you don't get your time in the client won't pay for it.

Mort wants to get paid. That's about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978161)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:27 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

>> i will literally never understand the obsession with these weekly time deadlines. firms run reports and bill monthly. <<

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978166)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:25 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask

It makes sense only because people underbill when they do their time once a month. They forget stuff. Having people do their time weekly means they record more stuff and make Mort Kikestein more money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981028)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: Exciting Space

Research has shown that people bill more time when they do it weekly. At least as far as the studies go, they say that people who wait until the 1st of the month to release their time from the last month forget about time that they should have billed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981184)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:01 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981242)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:43 AM
Author: big frisky kitty friendly grandma

If this was the only consequence, I would not mind at all. In fact, there would be a stack of my checks on the bosses desk I would pick up every few months.

My firm had this rule for partners, and that is what a few of the partners did. It was pretty funny because you could tell none of them gave a shit and it was a bigger hassle for the managing partner than it was worth so the promptly stopped it.

Most firms have it so if you do not bill your time promptly it theoretically could hurt your bonus.

Also, the 4 hours a day is pretty good. The only thing that sucks is the $35 a day for dinner. The guideline we have is $50, but basically anything under $100 is paid without question. I mean who gives a shit, it is basically the difference between a 12.3 and a 12.4 of your time from the client's perspective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978239)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:44 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

That's why those dinner/cab limits are so LOL-worthy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978245)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:55 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Old Irish Cottage

This is really the most chilling part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979392)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:28 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

This thread reminds me of the time my family planned a trip for about a year to celebrate my dad's 60th birthday in Tuscany. My mom rented a villa in Tuscany for 3 weeks and my entire immediate family was invited. My parents and my sister went for the entire 3 weeks, my brother and his family for 2 weeks. I knew as a 2nd year, I better just go for a week, so I picked the week when we were doing my dad's birthday dinner at this beautiful restaurant in Siena.

I put the trip on my calendar 11 months in advance and made sure all the partners I worked with knew I'd be gone for that week.

3 days before I was leaving, a partner in a satellite office called me out of the blue, they had just lost a major case and they needed associates to brief a motion for reconsideration on a tight deadline.

I told him that I would jump right on it but I had a hard out because of this long preplanned trip. He said that was fine and any help I could give his "team" would be great.

Turns out there was no team, it was just me and when I sent him a draft the afternoon before I left, he pressed the panic button and said it needed major work and that I needed to do it.

I reminded him I was leaving and he asked if I could cancel. I explained why I couldn't and he said OK.

20 minutes later the MP of my office came in, shut the door and explained to me in no uncertain terms I had to cancel or delay the trip a few days until this guy was satisfied.

I managed to get the faggot a brief in 3 days and still get to Italy for my dad's party with a day to spare, but only was in the villa with my family for 4 days before the rental ended. I flew back home and plotted my revenge against the partner, but it was unnecessary because he died of a heart attack 4 months later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978168)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:30 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

You're a better associate than me. I would have said to fuck off.

But this is exactly what I mean when I say time off at the margin. I've had to cancel long weekend trips, and, while it sucks, something like what you've described above is unacceptable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978180)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:32 AM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

I would have facefucked MP on my way out the door. Literally nothing even close to that has ever happened to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978190)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:41 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

I agree with that assessment now completely, but when I was in it, I felt like quitting wasn't even an option. I even told a friend at the law firm at the time what was happening and he was like, "yeah, this stuff happens." Like it wasn't even a big deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978226)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

it does happen, but almost never with the type of trip you are describing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978232)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

Stockholm syndrome or something. That shit is crazy. I've never heard of anyone at my firm experiencing anything like that and I've been here 6 years.

I do appreciate the 180 twist where the guy died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978234)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:49 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

I like to think God smote him for being a dick. But it was probably because he ate too much cheese.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978262)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM
Author: Histrionic shitlib

And so goes the circle of shit in biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978233)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:50 AM
Author: Self-absorbed hall

did you attend your partner's funeral?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978519)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:57 PM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

what the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979820)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:39 PM
Author: stimulating double fault

jesus christ, i would have quit on the spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981114)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:18 PM
Author: Arrogant Skinny Woman

best. story. ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983671)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:02 PM
Author: rusted glittery legend personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006172)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:44 AM
Author: Maniacal Black Cumskin

"and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner."

ljl at that elementary school bullshit. at my in-house position at a tech company, they bend over backwards to make sure no one leaves because of how long it takes to build up institutional knowledge and develop internal relationships. companies compete for suitable legal talent, not the other way around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978244)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:46 AM
Author: Razzle Twisted Step-uncle's House Roommate

I can literally picture the Jew grins of the soulless slavemasters who wrote this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978247)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:52 AM
Author: pearly round eye address

wtf is a "vacation day" in Biglaw? my firm doesn't know or care when I show up at the office, as long as I'm hitting my target and people are able to reach me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978272)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:56 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

There is normally a formal vacation policy, but many firms only care about the point you are raising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978288)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:23 AM
Author: Pearl Feces Tattoo

That's right - it's not like anyone gives a shit about how many days they have in the bank because you're always only going to be able to take what work permits you to take and that is certainly going to be less than four weeks (and if you have no problem getting free for four weeks/year I'd be wondering wtf is going on at the firm).

The only reason this policy matters is if S&C allows you to bank all your time and roll it over every year because then you're talking about real money when people leave but I doubt they let people roll it all anyway so it doesn't matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978394)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: big frisky kitty friendly grandma

Other than California where you have to either take it, the firm pay you for it, or it rolls over in unlimited amounts, most firms let you roll a capped number over every month/quarter/year. You get paid out for the accrued days if you leave no matter what so a lot of people end up with a month to six weeks of pay when they leave.

This is why the "unlimited vacation" is such a scam. They are just stopping you from getting accrued days when you leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979345)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:53 PM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

Correct. My firm switched to unlimited recently. Mother fuckers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979377)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:57 PM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

The absolute worst part, to me, is how they try to spin it as a benefit to associates, instead of saying it's a cost cutting move.

War is peace, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979413)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:09 PM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard

my firm was pretty upfront that it was a fuck you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979489)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:23 PM
Author: Pearl Feces Tattoo

Right - so what I'm saying is, after you hit your cap in like year 1 and have ten days not roll over every year this policy doesn't really matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979569)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:59 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Coldplay Fan Hospital

This all seems fairly standard. I'm pretty sure we had a dinner limit but I dont remember what it was. $35 seems more than enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978300)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:06 AM
Author: Saffron racy state

(these kidnappers have raised some very good points)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978336)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:51 PM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979372)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:28 AM
Author: Pearl Feces Tattoo

Dude - the first year rates are like $400/hour and the midlevels are in the $6-700 range. They work all the goddamn time and eat dinner at their desks/in conference rooms while their lives vanish before their eyes. Just let them order whatever the fuck they want for dinner. More often than not it's going to come in lower than the stupid minimum but god forbid it come in a little higher than you're comfortable billing the client for and the firm has to eat it. Just seems so inept to choose this point to stick it to the associates over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978429)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:03 PM
Author: Swashbuckling nudist sneaky criminal stag film

yes, but if they have 4 hours of billable time in a day, we won't make them use that day against their vacation allotment.

4*$400*5*50=$400,000

mighty white of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979457)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:06 AM
Author: Translucent hyperactive jewess mental disorder

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978332)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:10 AM
Author: Supple Rebellious Clown Roast Beef

the chorus of people saying "yeah, that's pretty standard. makes sense" about the firm forcing people to pick up their paycheck in person is really disturbing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978352)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:36 AM
Author: Saffron racy state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978461)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:43 AM
Author: mind-boggling aqua indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978493)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:44 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978497)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:49 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Coldplay Fan Hospital

for not inputing your hours? They should just withhold it altogether.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978516)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:57 AM
Author: charismatic canary twinkling uncleanness

jfc, it's not about not inputting your hours. it's about not inputting your hours from a given week by the next monday or tuesday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978569)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 2:22 PM
Author: mind-boggling aqua indian lodge

They should fire you if it's such a big deal. If it's not, then make it criteria for hitting bonus targets or something. Going "a-a-a-a you didn't put your hours in" is fucking demeaning. Even low-level blue collar dudes don't take that kind of abuse. You think the grease monkey in a Ford factory has to wear a dunce cap if he fucks up a few bolts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979983)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:27 AM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen

Oh I don't think it's okay as a normative matter

But descriptively, yeah...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978767)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:30 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal mother

NORMATIVE matter

BUT DESCRIPTIVELY, he lisped!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979619)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:35 AM
Author: wine field multi-billionaire

Messenger bag with S&C logo facing outward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978459)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:36 AM
Author: Tan comical haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978465)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:50 AM
Author: Razzle Twisted Step-uncle's House Roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978522)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:59 AM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978579)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:16 AM
Author: diverse brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978684)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:51 PM
Author: Coral scourge upon the earth liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979371)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:39 PM
Author: stimulating double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981116)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:14 PM
Author: curious scarlet main people plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981722)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:19 PM
Author: Arrogant Skinny Woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983674)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:50 PM
Author: Pungent trust fund cuckoldry

ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006465)



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Date: October 28th, 2015 5:55 PM
Author: maize nursing home giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29061533)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:50 PM
Author: soggy gas station philosopher-king

LOL at you biglaw FAGGOTS

I have taken most of september off the last 3 years in a row for europe trips and also go home for a week or so either thxgiving or christmas and also do random one day vacations around long weekends

no i am not an outlier

how the fck do u guys live like this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979369)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:41 PM
Author: opaque kitty cat private investor

Septembers off is sooooo unghhhhhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979712)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:00 PM
Author: Razzmatazz area stain

I don't think I ever got close to my allotted vacation time while in biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979441)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:36 PM
Author: burgundy pit headpube

I did but I had to work remotely the whole time for a few of those trips. Don't know why I put up with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979658)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:40 PM
Author: stimulating double fault
Subject: Congratulations!

Based on your reaction to getting the offer, this is probably the best thing that could have ever happened to you. I encourage you to enjoy the summer and take accept their offer as nothing in the world will cure you of your prestige obsession quicker than some time at S&C.

During orientation, they'll give you an S&C shoulderbag and you'll wear it with the S&C logo facing outward so any other commuters in the know can see it and you'll just know that they're either impressed or envious. And that will make you happy and proud. And then you'll try to figure out the best way to ensure that you're sworn in as soon as possible after receiving your bar results because then you'll get the box full of business cards that say "Sullivan & Cromwell LLP" with your actual name underneath. You'll be giddy at the thought of casually passing one (mid-conversation) to some acquaintance from undergrad you've lost touch with.

You'll start working and you'll notice that there are an awful lot of "Farewell" emails and someone will tell you that the farewell emails can only contain 4 names at a time per firm policy because the partners decided sometime in 2004 that emails indicating 6 or 7 people were leaving the firm in a two week period might cause some unhelpful whispering. You'll talk to a midlevel associate who is super-psyched to work at S&C and you'll find out that he (not a lot of shes) lateralled from some firm that frankly you would never have considered working for (too TTT for you). When you get back to your office, this will trouble you a bit, you'll wonder if your own escutcheon is being blemished by the presence of this type of person (i.e., non-elite) at your S&C. But that feeling will pass as you'll find plenty of other like-minded first years who equally relish the prestige as you you head for a drink at Ulysses (shoulderbag logo facing outward).

Then you'll get staffed on your first big deal and you'll work late night after late night and then on the weekend and on to the next weekend and then on to the weekend when you had planned to go to a friend's wedding. And you won't go because the work has to get done and you have dues to pay (or so you'll be told). You'll get a little bit upset about this turn of events, but the arrival of those business cards will soften the blow.

You'll meet more and more laterals from firms that you would never work for (some you've never even heard of). You'll note in the farewell emails that some of the junior and midlevel associates leaving S&C are going to those very same firms. Survival of the fittest you'll say. But late at night, when the air conditioning clicks down from a barely perceptible hissing sound to complete silence, these things will bother you. But you'll tell yourself you're just tired and frustrated and anyway you have work to do.

You'll have lunch with Rodge and he'll tell you that business is good and that he's listening to associates' concerns about quality of life issues. You'll notice that some of the senior associates visibly roll their eyes at each other when this comes up, but you won't mind that much because, really, what other firm's managing partner regulalry has lunch with associates to hear their concerns (and takes notes!)

A few months will pass, a few marathon deals will happen, you'll have to re-schedule a vacation but you'll tell yourself that that is to be expected.

About a year in, a couple of your classmates will crack and start talking about how much the job sucks. They'll very likely have gone to Yale Law School. You'll joke that they couldn't hack it when they leave the firm for a clerkship, or an academic position or to go to a firm in another city.

Things will go on in this pattern and you'll notice the fact that you're working a lot harder than your friends who went to "peer" firms. At first you'll be proud of this and brag about it, but after a while you'll find yourself downplaying it. At least when you have the time to get out and socialize with your law school friends.

Something will happen: a partner will scream at you, a senior associate gunning for partner will blame you for her mistake, the partner will tell you that the trip to Europe your spouse meticulously planned just won't be able to happen (he'll be really sorry and will tell you a funny story about the exotic vacation he missed or cut short). Doesn't matter what, but you'll get really pissed and you'll start to take some of the 4 or 5 calls from headhunters that you'll receive every day at that point (vultures spell blood). They'll give you the names of firms that you laughed on in the days when you posted on the XOXO board, but you'll find yourself looking into them. The headhunter will encourage to just listen to their offer and you'll consider doing so. But you won't leave because then you'd have to give up your business cards. And stop wearing the shoulder bag. And the bonus is only x months away so you'll start thinking about it then.

Until one day you won't be able to take it any more and you'll find yourself arranging to meet with people from a lightly regarded firm for a position in their New York office. And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.

And you don't believe any of this will happen, but I suggest you print this out and keep it in the top desk of your drawer so late at night when you're feeling sorry for yourself, you can add to the list of reasons to be miserable this fact: someone told you this was going to happen and you thought that person was crazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981123)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:15 PM
Author: curious scarlet main people plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981729)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:21 PM
Author: big frisky kitty friendly grandma

I still remember when this was first posted. I so wanted an S&C messenger bag, but have never obtained one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981758)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:20 PM
Author: Arrogant Skinny Woman

one day, drunkard. one day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983677)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:19 PM
Author: Arrogant Skinny Woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983675)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:54 PM
Author: Pungent trust fund cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006490)



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Date: March 4th, 2018 1:51 AM
Author: crystalline death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#35531069)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:48 PM
Author: motley shrine

This is actually not a big deal. A lot of firms have removed any vacation allotment at all, and said you have the bullshit unlimited Vacation time. What we all used to do when we had a lot of allocated vacation days is that we would bill one hour every day on our vacation so that we never used any vacation days. Then when we got fired we ended up leaving with five weeks of accrued vacation which they had to pay. This obviously tries to prevent that. That said it's fucking bullshit if you have to work three hours when you're on vacation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981173)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:59 PM
Author: Exciting Space

This is all completely standard in biglaw except the releasing your hours thing, which is common at a lot of boutiques.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981227)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask

cr. this is much ado about nothing. all biglaw kike partners do the same nickel and diming shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981250)



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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond

very proud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981248)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:13 PM
Author: Dull Abnormal Hell Marketing Idea

best part is after missing weekly time 2x you have to go beg your practice group/office managing partner to give you your paycheck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006259)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: Vivacious market sweet tailpipe

"Why don't you follow the rule, bro? What if everyone just did what they wanted? I'm serious, what do you think would happen then? Here. Now get out of here and don't fuck it up again."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006357)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:35 PM
Author: rusted glittery legend personal credit line

OK, but um, could I please have my pay check?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006376)



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Date: November 1st, 2015 10:51 PM
Author: Passionate becky generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29090960)