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***SULLIVAN & CROMWELL LEAKED HELLHOLE MEMO*** *OFFICIAL THREAD*
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:24 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse Law360, New York (October 15, 2015, 8:02 PM ET) -- Sullivan & Cromwell is cutting back on vacation time and capping overtime dinners among other policy changes in the face of high competition to attract clients, according to a Thursday report.
The firm announced several changes to its administrative policies and procedures in a recently leaked memo, including limiting meals and increasing the number of client hours that can affect vacation days, Above the Law reported Thursday.
“Based on past discussions with the Associate Experience Committee and feedback from associate focus groups, we have adopted a number of changes to certain administrative policies and procedures,” the firm said in the brief Oct. 2 memo.
Vacation days won’t count against a lawyer's total vacation allotment if they record four or more client hours on a planned vacation day, the memo said, a total higher than what Above the Law reports used to be a three hour limit.
The firm is also revising its meal policy for evening and weekend meals, saying it will increase the meal limit to $35, including tip and gratuity, regardless of meal limits imposed by clients. But according to an Above the Law tipster, there never used to be a hard limit even though the memo describes the limit as being increased.
Car services were another target of the memo, with the firm saying it has implemented a rate increase for car services and a voluntary gratuity for drivers in an effort to shorten wait times. Sullivan & Cromwell said it has also adopted guidelines to facilitate the use of Uber when it’s more convenient than its black car services, noting its reimbursement will include surge pricing up to 125 percent.
In response to client requirements and requests, the firm instructed its attorneys to submit daily time entries on the second Monday following the end of the week absent any holidays.
Sullivan & Cromwell said lawyers who miss the deadline two weeks in a row won't be eligible for direct deposit for the following two pay periods and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner.
On a different note, the firm also announced it will provide standing desks and headsets to anyone who requests them and said the fitness center at its 125 Broad Street location in New York will be open weekends from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
The memo concluded by saying it has identified ways to improve its travel department after conducting a satisfaction survey, including improving its services with American Express and reallocating its travel department staff to ensure better coverage.
Representatives for Sullivan & Cromwell didn’t respond Thursday to requests for comment.
— Editing by Ben Guilfoy. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:40 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse What the fuck possesses people to incrementally raise a vacation policy hours-worked metric by *1* hour. How much sickening debate went into this? Years? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977729) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:10 AM Author: Stirring Irate Fortuitous Meteor Really Tough Guy Hint: nobody in these jobs really takes vacations. At most you do 3-4 day weekends. I work a supposedly chill in-house gig and took 2 days in 2015. On paper I have 21 vacation days but LMAO at ever using them. The assholes who actually take a week are super senior or want to be fired. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977853) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:17 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library even in house? do they roll over or do you get paid out at least? at my firm if you don't use them you lose them. sucks because can't ever take them all. fuck them all. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:21 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse how do you live this way? People are irrational cowards, especially in classes 2009-2012. These classes are so thin. Fear of vacation and travel derives from a lack of asserting control over one's life. lol if you can't say that you'll be offline and just let do. If they fire you, you are expendable anyway. If you're good, you can do whatever. They need you.
I have taken 6-8 weeks out of the office each the last two years and will this year too. Can't let yourself give a fuck. Never got a bad bonus, always get stellar reviews. I would kill myself if I lived in fear. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:24 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library 6-8 WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR????? You must be in Europe, right? |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:25 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse No, this isn't flame. When I'm in there I am a fucking ox though and hours come in very good (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977892) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:32 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library you're at a firm? If so, I know someone like that. Never officially on vacation, always "working remotely" (dumping work on juniors) from ski trips or bachelor weekends or birthday trips. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:38 PM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse naw. Last year: 2 weeks in South America, 2 weeks in Florida keys and home, 1 in outer banks. 15 long weekends where I left on a Thursday. By and end of this year: 3 week wedding and honeymoon, 10 long weekends with Thursday travel, 1 week in Europe, 1 week skiing, 1 week beach. |
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I dont bill hourly, but I answer directly to a managing director. If I'm not here there is no one to do my work except the MD and you know what she's going to do when I dump 10 hours a day of shit on her head? She's going to wonder how the fuck dare I when there are 500,000 lawyers out there who would kill for my job and title and happily never take a day off. And she herself takes like zero time off.
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:34 AM Author: Underhanded useless brakes halford Jesus Christ, who would want to live like that? The corporate ladder is SPS. GenX losers really just hate Millennials because millennials rejected GenX's precious corporate grind. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28977909) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:17 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete Then they are understaffed.
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Date: October 16th, 2015 8:56 AM Author: NeumannMorgenste 6-8 weeks seems extreme for the U.S. but agree with this sentiment and assessment. If you're a doormat on things like time off -- at least once you rise beyond the ranks of a junior -- you're conveying that you have no value.
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:16 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library And they don't even notice that you're gone Lol @ any biglaw firm actually respecting vacation/personal life |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:19 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse Like I said above man, if you are good (solve problems on own, draft freehand, client relationships, run deals without much oversight), you will never be fired for this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978100) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:25 AM Author: Exhilarant Aquamarine Community Account Native even 6 weeks is more than french workers get, let alone 8 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978754) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:46 PM Author: NeumannMorgenste I think goal in biglaw once you're beyond a junior should be 2-4 weeks, depending on how your case load progresses during year and how ambitious you are (and also the quality of the time -- 2 weeks of pure uninterrupted time away from firm may be worth more than 4 weeks of constant calls and small emergencies); varies -- e.g, wouldn't think to take 4 weeks if was a senior with eyes on partnership; wouldn't hesitate to do so if goal was coasting until talk. I sense European standard is closer to the 4-6 week range but varies depending on country
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Date: October 16th, 2015 2:10 PM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library I think 40 days ---THAT YOU CAN AND ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE--is pretty standard in Europe. 1-2 weeks at Christmas, 1-2 weeks for ski trip/Easter, 3-4 weeks in August. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979909) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit lol, I'm in Biglaw and took almost a month worth of vacation this year. I also had three trials so, there's that. But fuck man, take some vacation. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978072) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library Almost a month =/= 6-8 weeks (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978091) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:19 AM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit It's nice that you know how many weeks are in a month, but that really has nothing to do with my poast or the one I was responding to. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978103) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:43 PM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit We won all three. I took a week or so off after each one. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981140) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:24 AM Author: Exhilarant Aquamarine Community Account Native lulz my last year with my company while i was in house, i took three weeks but in fairness i was senior (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978743) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:39 PM Author: ungodly insanely creepy theatre international law enforcement agency Yeah, official vacation policy is pure flame. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979695) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:08 AM Author: appetizing base Vacation days won’t count against a lawyer's total vacation allotment if they record four or more client hours on a planned vacation day, the memo said, a total higher than what Above the Law reports used to be a three hour limit.
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:12 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon Associate: What had happened was I took a vacation day but my Partner emailed me and asked me to do some work. I billed 3.8 hours, so I'd like another vacation day please.
Partner: FUCK OFF!
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM Author: appetizing base ljl (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978061) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:11 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon "Sullivan & Cromwell said lawyers who miss the deadline two weeks in a row won't be eligible for direct deposit for the following two pay periods and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner."
Fucking LOL. I seriously would have quit over this because of treating us like fucking children. How I survived 4.5 years in BIGLAW is a mystery to me. It is as if I was a completely fucking different person then as I reflect back on it. A fucking horrible, horrible person. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:12 AM Author: appetizing base I think this is a pretty common practice, actually (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978052) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:13 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon That they take away direct deposit? I have never fucking heard of this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978060) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:14 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library Yes At my firm you have to go grovel at the toad lawyer in charge to beg for the check Also my firm is so shit this is also a metric in determining bonus |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library It was a new policy that they announced only in in person group meetings because they are so paranoid about a memo being leaked to ATL (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978098) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon Of all the petty bullshit I heard of in BIGLAW, that is by far the pettiest. I seriously ate a lot of shit in BIGLAW, but I would not have tolerated that.
Something like that would have immediately made me call a recruiter. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:16 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete i will literally never understand the obsession with these weekly time deadlines. firms run reports and bill monthly. and to the extent you are getting paid at a closing, or need to give the client a hard bill number, you ask people to sweep their time.
i am a patient and loyal guy, but a firm can go fuck itself if they're going to act like this. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM Author: appetizing base (Guy who needs to go pick up his paycheck from Mort on 34, and can expect a talk about his attitude problem) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978090) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:18 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete fuck that. i have no patience for that shit. it's unnecessarily demeaning. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978099) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:56 AM Author: Razzmatazz Sanctuary (broken biglawyer implicitly conceding there is a certain amount of demeaning behavior that is necessary) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978563) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:26 AM Author: Cocky Factory Reset Button Some clients need to be billed monthly and if you don't get your time in the client won't pay for it.
Mort wants to get paid. That's about it. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:27 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete >> i will literally never understand the obsession with these weekly time deadlines. firms run reports and bill monthly. << (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978166) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:51 PM Author: transparent psychic Research has shown that people bill more time when they do it weekly. At least as far as the studies go, they say that people who wait until the 1st of the month to release their time from the last month forget about time that they should have billed. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981184) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:43 AM Author: frozen haunted graveyard If this was the only consequence, I would not mind at all. In fact, there would be a stack of my checks on the bosses desk I would pick up every few months.
My firm had this rule for partners, and that is what a few of the partners did. It was pretty funny because you could tell none of them gave a shit and it was a bigger hassle for the managing partner than it was worth so the promptly stopped it.
Most firms have it so if you do not bill your time promptly it theoretically could hurt your bonus.
Also, the 4 hours a day is pretty good. The only thing that sucks is the $35 a day for dinner. The guideline we have is $50, but basically anything under $100 is paid without question. I mean who gives a shit, it is basically the difference between a 12.3 and a 12.4 of your time from the client's perspective. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:28 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon This thread reminds me of the time my family planned a trip for about a year to celebrate my dad's 60th birthday in Tuscany. My mom rented a villa in Tuscany for 3 weeks and my entire immediate family was invited. My parents and my sister went for the entire 3 weeks, my brother and his family for 2 weeks. I knew as a 2nd year, I better just go for a week, so I picked the week when we were doing my dad's birthday dinner at this beautiful restaurant in Siena.
I put the trip on my calendar 11 months in advance and made sure all the partners I worked with knew I'd be gone for that week.
3 days before I was leaving, a partner in a satellite office called me out of the blue, they had just lost a major case and they needed associates to brief a motion for reconsideration on a tight deadline.
I told him that I would jump right on it but I had a hard out because of this long preplanned trip. He said that was fine and any help I could give his "team" would be great.
Turns out there was no team, it was just me and when I sent him a draft the afternoon before I left, he pressed the panic button and said it needed major work and that I needed to do it.
I reminded him I was leaving and he asked if I could cancel. I explained why I couldn't and he said OK.
20 minutes later the MP of my office came in, shut the door and explained to me in no uncertain terms I had to cancel or delay the trip a few days until this guy was satisfied.
I managed to get the faggot a brief in 3 days and still get to Italy for my dad's party with a day to spare, but only was in the villa with my family for 4 days before the rental ended. I flew back home and plotted my revenge against the partner, but it was unnecessary because he died of a heart attack 4 months later. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:30 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete You're a better associate than me. I would have said to fuck off.
But this is exactly what I mean when I say time off at the margin. I've had to cancel long weekend trips, and, while it sucks, something like what you've described above is unacceptable. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:32 AM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit I would have facefucked MP on my way out the door. Literally nothing even close to that has ever happened to me. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978190) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:41 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon I agree with that assessment now completely, but when I was in it, I felt like quitting wasn't even an option. I even told a friend at the law firm at the time what was happening and he was like, "yeah, this stuff happens." Like it wasn't even a big deal. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978226) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete it does happen, but almost never with the type of trip you are describing. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978232) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit Stockholm syndrome or something. That shit is crazy. I've never heard of anyone at my firm experiencing anything like that and I've been here 6 years.
I do appreciate the 180 twist where the guy died. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:49 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon I like to think God smote him for being a dick. But it was probably because he ate too much cheese. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978262) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:42 AM Author: Crystalline dashing therapy library And so goes the circle of shit in biglaw (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978233) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:50 AM Author: avocado motley state clown did you attend your partner's funeral? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978519) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:57 PM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse what the fuck (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979820) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:39 PM Author: aromatic aggressive mad cow disease jesus christ, i would have quit on the spot (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981114) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:18 PM Author: hairless cumskin mexican best. story. ever. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983671) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:02 PM Author: geriatric lodge (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006172) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:44 AM Author: jade station "and instead must obtain their paychecks from their practice group or office managing partner."
ljl at that elementary school bullshit. at my in-house position at a tech company, they bend over backwards to make sure no one leaves because of how long it takes to build up institutional knowledge and develop internal relationships. companies compete for suitable legal talent, not the other way around. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:46 AM Author: Ruby Forum Electric Furnace I can literally picture the Jew grins of the soulless slavemasters who wrote this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978247) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:52 AM Author: Ruddy medicated site wtf is a "vacation day" in Biglaw? my firm doesn't know or care when I show up at the office, as long as I'm hitting my target and people are able to reach me. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978272) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:56 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon There is normally a formal vacation policy, but many firms only care about the point you are raising. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978288) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:23 AM Author: Purple histrionic boistinker That's right - it's not like anyone gives a shit about how many days they have in the bank because you're always only going to be able to take what work permits you to take and that is certainly going to be less than four weeks (and if you have no problem getting free for four weeks/year I'd be wondering wtf is going on at the firm).
The only reason this policy matters is if S&C allows you to bank all your time and roll it over every year because then you're talking about real money when people leave but I doubt they let people roll it all anyway so it doesn't matter. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: frozen haunted graveyard Other than California where you have to either take it, the firm pay you for it, or it rolls over in unlimited amounts, most firms let you roll a capped number over every month/quarter/year. You get paid out for the accrued days if you leave no matter what so a lot of people end up with a month to six weeks of pay when they leave.
This is why the "unlimited vacation" is such a scam. They are just stopping you from getting accrued days when you leave. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:53 PM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit Correct. My firm switched to unlimited recently. Mother fuckers. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979377) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:57 PM Author: translucent keepsake machete The absolute worst part, to me, is how they try to spin it as a benefit to associates, instead of saying it's a cost cutting move.
War is peace, right? |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:09 PM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit my firm was pretty upfront that it was a fuck you. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979489) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:23 PM Author: Purple histrionic boistinker Right - so what I'm saying is, after you hit your cap in like year 1 and have ten days not roll over every year this policy doesn't really matter. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979569) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 9:59 AM Author: Learning Disabled Area Jew This all seems fairly standard. I'm pretty sure we had a dinner limit but I dont remember what it was. $35 seems more than enough. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978300) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:06 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon (these kidnappers have raised some very good points) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978336) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:51 PM Author: appetizing base (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979372) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:28 AM Author: Purple histrionic boistinker Dude - the first year rates are like $400/hour and the midlevels are in the $6-700 range. They work all the goddamn time and eat dinner at their desks/in conference rooms while their lives vanish before their eyes. Just let them order whatever the fuck they want for dinner. More often than not it's going to come in lower than the stupid minimum but god forbid it come in a little higher than you're comfortable billing the client for and the firm has to eat it. Just seems so inept to choose this point to stick it to the associates over. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978429) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:03 PM Author: Irradiated Ocher Shrine yes, but if they have 4 hours of billable time in a day, we won't make them use that day against their vacation allotment. 4*$400*5*50=$400,000 mighty white of them |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:06 AM Author: provocative internet-worthy university lol (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978332) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:10 AM Author: chestnut church the chorus of people saying "yeah, that's pretty standard. makes sense" about the firm forcing people to pick up their paycheck in person is really disturbing (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978352) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:36 AM Author: emerald contagious step-uncle's house quadroon (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978461) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:43 AM Author: vivacious olive resort legend (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978493) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978497) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:49 AM Author: Learning Disabled Area Jew for not inputing your hours? They should just withhold it altogether. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978516) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:57 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete jfc, it's not about not inputting your hours. it's about not inputting your hours from a given week by the next monday or tuesday. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978569) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 2:22 PM Author: vivacious olive resort legend They should fire you if it's such a big deal. If it's not, then make it criteria for hitting bonus targets or something. Going "a-a-a-a you didn't put your hours in" is fucking demeaning. Even low-level blue collar dudes don't take that kind of abuse. You think the grease monkey in a Ford factory has to wear a dunce cap if he fucks up a few bolts? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979983) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: appetizing base Oh I don't think it's okay as a normative matter
But descriptively, yeah... |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:30 PM Author: Indecent filthpig NORMATIVE matter
BUT DESCRIPTIVELY, he lisped!!!! |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:35 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal Blathering Old Irish Cottage Messenger bag with S&C logo facing outward (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978459) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:36 AM Author: Galvanic orchestra pit (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978465) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:50 AM Author: Ruby Forum Electric Furnace (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978522) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 10:59 AM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978579) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:16 AM Author: NeumannMorgenste (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28978684) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:51 PM Author: appetizing base (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979371) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:39 PM Author: aromatic aggressive mad cow disease (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981116) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:14 PM Author: know-it-all spot (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981722) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:19 PM Author: hairless cumskin mexican (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983674) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:50 PM Author: amethyst boyish market people who are hurt ty. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006465) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 5:55 PM Author: obsidian self-centered police squad (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29061533) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 12:50 PM Author: Brass Corn Cake LOL at you biglaw FAGGOTS
I have taken most of september off the last 3 years in a row for europe trips and also go home for a week or so either thxgiving or christmas and also do random one day vacations around long weekends
no i am not an outlier
how the fck do u guys live like this? |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:41 PM Author: Stimulating business firm goyim Septembers off is sooooo unghhhhhh (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979712) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:00 PM Author: brilliant disgusting wrinkle I don't think I ever got close to my allotted vacation time while in biglaw. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979441) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 1:36 PM Author: Cocky Factory Reset Button I did but I had to work remotely the whole time for a few of those trips. Don't know why I put up with it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28979658) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:40 PM Author: aromatic aggressive mad cow disease Subject: Congratulations! Based on your reaction to getting the offer, this is probably the best thing that could have ever happened to you. I encourage you to enjoy the summer and take accept their offer as nothing in the world will cure you of your prestige obsession quicker than some time at S&C.
During orientation, they'll give you an S&C shoulderbag and you'll wear it with the S&C logo facing outward so any other commuters in the know can see it and you'll just know that they're either impressed or envious. And that will make you happy and proud. And then you'll try to figure out the best way to ensure that you're sworn in as soon as possible after receiving your bar results because then you'll get the box full of business cards that say "Sullivan & Cromwell LLP" with your actual name underneath. You'll be giddy at the thought of casually passing one (mid-conversation) to some acquaintance from undergrad you've lost touch with.
You'll start working and you'll notice that there are an awful lot of "Farewell" emails and someone will tell you that the farewell emails can only contain 4 names at a time per firm policy because the partners decided sometime in 2004 that emails indicating 6 or 7 people were leaving the firm in a two week period might cause some unhelpful whispering. You'll talk to a midlevel associate who is super-psyched to work at S&C and you'll find out that he (not a lot of shes) lateralled from some firm that frankly you would never have considered working for (too TTT for you). When you get back to your office, this will trouble you a bit, you'll wonder if your own escutcheon is being blemished by the presence of this type of person (i.e., non-elite) at your S&C. But that feeling will pass as you'll find plenty of other like-minded first years who equally relish the prestige as you you head for a drink at Ulysses (shoulderbag logo facing outward).
Then you'll get staffed on your first big deal and you'll work late night after late night and then on the weekend and on to the next weekend and then on to the weekend when you had planned to go to a friend's wedding. And you won't go because the work has to get done and you have dues to pay (or so you'll be told). You'll get a little bit upset about this turn of events, but the arrival of those business cards will soften the blow.
You'll meet more and more laterals from firms that you would never work for (some you've never even heard of). You'll note in the farewell emails that some of the junior and midlevel associates leaving S&C are going to those very same firms. Survival of the fittest you'll say. But late at night, when the air conditioning clicks down from a barely perceptible hissing sound to complete silence, these things will bother you. But you'll tell yourself you're just tired and frustrated and anyway you have work to do.
You'll have lunch with Rodge and he'll tell you that business is good and that he's listening to associates' concerns about quality of life issues. You'll notice that some of the senior associates visibly roll their eyes at each other when this comes up, but you won't mind that much because, really, what other firm's managing partner regulalry has lunch with associates to hear their concerns (and takes notes!)
A few months will pass, a few marathon deals will happen, you'll have to re-schedule a vacation but you'll tell yourself that that is to be expected.
About a year in, a couple of your classmates will crack and start talking about how much the job sucks. They'll very likely have gone to Yale Law School. You'll joke that they couldn't hack it when they leave the firm for a clerkship, or an academic position or to go to a firm in another city.
Things will go on in this pattern and you'll notice the fact that you're working a lot harder than your friends who went to "peer" firms. At first you'll be proud of this and brag about it, but after a while you'll find yourself downplaying it. At least when you have the time to get out and socialize with your law school friends.
Something will happen: a partner will scream at you, a senior associate gunning for partner will blame you for her mistake, the partner will tell you that the trip to Europe your spouse meticulously planned just won't be able to happen (he'll be really sorry and will tell you a funny story about the exotic vacation he missed or cut short). Doesn't matter what, but you'll get really pissed and you'll start to take some of the 4 or 5 calls from headhunters that you'll receive every day at that point (vultures spell blood). They'll give you the names of firms that you laughed on in the days when you posted on the XOXO board, but you'll find yourself looking into them. The headhunter will encourage to just listen to their offer and you'll consider doing so. But you won't leave because then you'd have to give up your business cards. And stop wearing the shoulder bag. And the bonus is only x months away so you'll start thinking about it then.
Until one day you won't be able to take it any more and you'll find yourself arranging to meet with people from a lightly regarded firm for a position in their New York office. And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.
And you don't believe any of this will happen, but I suggest you print this out and keep it in the top desk of your drawer so late at night when you're feeling sorry for yourself, you can add to the list of reasons to be miserable this fact: someone told you this was going to happen and you thought that person was crazy. |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:15 PM Author: know-it-all spot (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981729) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 6:21 PM Author: frozen haunted graveyard I still remember when this was first posted. I so wanted an S&C messenger bag, but have never obtained one. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981758) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:20 PM Author: hairless cumskin mexican one day, drunkard. one day. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983677) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 11:19 PM Author: hairless cumskin mexican (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28983675) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: amethyst boyish market people who are hurt (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006490) |
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Date: March 4th, 2018 1:51 AM Author: cordovan multi-colored hell (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#35531069) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:48 PM Author: Magical exciting kitchen sweet tailpipe This is actually not a big deal. A lot of firms have removed any vacation allotment at all, and said you have the bullshit unlimited Vacation time. What we all used to do when we had a lot of allocated vacation days is that we would bill one hour every day on our vacation so that we never used any vacation days. Then when we got fired we ended up leaving with five weeks of accrued vacation which they had to pay. This obviously tries to prevent that. That said it's fucking bullshit if you have to work three hours when you're on vacation. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981173) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 4:59 PM Author: transparent psychic This is all completely standard in biglaw except the releasing your hours thing, which is common at a lot of boutiques. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981227) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:03 PM Author: Anal trump supporter stag film cr. this is much ado about nothing. all biglaw kike partners do the same nickel and diming shit. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981250) |
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Date: October 16th, 2015 5:03 PM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse very proud (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#28981248) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:13 PM Author: Cobalt fighting abode best part is after missing weekly time 2x you have to go beg your practice group/office managing partner to give you your paycheck (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006259) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:29 PM Author: demanding light scourge upon the earth stead "Why don't you follow the rule, bro? What if everyone just did what they wanted? I'm serious, what do you think would happen then? Here. Now get out of here and don't fuck it up again." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006357) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 1:35 PM Author: geriatric lodge OK, but um, could I please have my pay check? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29006376) |
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Date: November 1st, 2015 10:51 PM Author: Spectacular cream bawdyhouse (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3018220&forum_id=2#29090960) |