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Why shouldn't Horace lose his virginity to a prostitute?
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:43 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead Horace claims to be a 27 year-old virgin. When he finally has sex he will likely find it pretty anti-climactic. If he's that curious about the act of intercourse, SEX, why shouldn't he sleep with an escort or something? What will he regret?
I'm kind of playing the devil's advocate here since I've never used an escorted and probably wouldn't have wanted to for my first time either, but I'm curious why everybody makes sex out to be so much more than it sometimes is. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:47 PM Author: Emerald floppy locus half-breed I suggest using the Fleshlight. I'm sure Fleshleiter would agree with me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980730) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:53 PM Author: Trip bat shit crazy resort cumskin You rang?
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:48 PM Author: multi-colored travel guidebook It's not a real conquest. You didn't coerce a whore into getting pounded, which is the real test of maniless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980737) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:49 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead His manliness has waited this long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980744) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:50 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor He likely won't enjoy it and since he's waited so long I figure he might as well have it with someone he's comfortable with and so it will be meaningful. Maybe just because I'm female, but I feel that's a much better way to do it. I wrote a longer response to that question in his original thread btw, if you want to see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980753) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:50 PM Author: multi-colored travel guidebook Be honest, wouldn't being a 27 year old virgin be an auto ding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980756) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:51 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor no. But I'm still a virgin so maybe that's why I feel that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980758) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:52 PM Author: big-titted alpha How old are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980766) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:54 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor 22. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980799) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:51 PM Author: big-titted alpha I kind of wonder though if he should just try it before he meets a woman he really like, a 27 year old virgin would be a deal breaker for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980760) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:52 PM Author: arousing point say it ain't so sugary! you mean i have no shot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980767) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:54 PM Author: big-titted alpha It would be very strange for me. I mean if I were already invested in the person I wouldn't send him packing I'm sure. But if I knew I wouldn't get involved either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980802) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:55 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980811) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:59 PM Author: big-titted alpha I don't want to play teacher in the bed room. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980842) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:06 PM Author: stimulating home Well even guys who DO have experience can appear to not know what they are doing. Every woman is different.
If the guy is a virgin hopefully he'll be receptive to the things you like and learn quickly. A learning curve is okay. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:52 PM Author: multi-colored travel guidebook ouch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980770) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:54 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor I thought of this as well... I don't know. It's up to him. Do you think it's worse for a girl? I'm 22 and could easily have sex if I wanted, but i just...am not interested in anyone and it's important to me to have it with someone who I really like, and am actually physically attracted to. I don't know. I don't think it's so bad for girls, esp. if the girl is attractive but just waited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980795) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:56 PM Author: big-titted alpha I don't think anyone should have sex until they meet someone they want to have it with. I'm sure it's not a deal breaker for many people at all, I was only speaking for myself. And to a large number of men I think a woman who is a virgin is better than the alternative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980813) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:56 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead You should wait then. I think it could be easier for girls to wait. Even "sensitive" men are generally overwhelmed by the simple physical pleasure of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980815) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:00 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor ok, thanks. Sometimes I do wonder... especially if I date a guy who's older than me (say around 25/26) could it be a dealbreaker for him then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980850) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:06 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead I've heard guys says that (lack of experience and all) but it's clearly idiotic. Especially if you're really into each other. I would be totally upfront about it if it comes up. Nothing to be ashamed of...though I'm not somebody who thinks it super-virtuous or anything either. Everybody is on his/her own timeline it seems to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980913) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:16 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor yeah. Well there is one guy I'm attracted to, and he's 26/27 and quite good-looking...I think he's into me as well but the timing isn't right for various reasons. I know he'd assume that I have had sex before, so it would be awkward for me to say... but maybe that's for the best... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980973) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:22 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead There's a chance it wouldn't come up, right? But anyway that's the reality of it and it's obviously best just to be yourself. Plus he could very well find it endearing or sweet, particularly if you picked him for the occasion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981011) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:27 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor I've actually considered doing what I advised Horace below (going to a club and hooking up, or just meeting someone who I find attractive but aren't totally into) so that way I won't feel embarrassed and a bit more experienced when I meet a guy I like. But I'm still morally conflicted by that I think... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981043) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:44 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead Experience is in some ways exaggerated, at least in terms of the physical act. Sorry to be graphic but: Blow-jobs take some skill, but the rest you can kind of improvise--just just kind of go with the motions, that sort of thing. I know that's vague but I've had good sex with a couple of virgins before. I'm sure you've seen/heard about it vicariously, enough to get the idea. Some girls know how to manipulate things down there which is nice but not necessary.
About the club thing, I don't know what to say. It's your thing. I'm always protective of girls (like my sister, or just friends) in those situations, as I worry about assholes, but I guess in some ways i'm also just as much of horn-dog as any other guy. I'd personally choose meeting somebody and at least getting to know them a bit.
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:56 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor yeah that's true. well I am attracted to this guy, but he's 26 and I'm sure he's had sex before, probably with a few different women. I know he's physically attracted to me and there is some chemistry between us, but I don't see it as being a long-term thing.. there's just something fundamental lacking for that to happen (mostly he's arrogant & a bit of an ass, but in a strange way I'm somewhat drawn to that, it's really stupid. But for that reason I wouldn't date him long-term.) So I guess that's why I'd feel a bit awkward... people say that he won't mind if he 'loves and respects' you, but there's no love here, it's just lust. Ultimately, I'm still offput by my own suggestion to meet someone at a club, so I likely won't pursue that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981323) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:05 AM Author: Swashbuckling Stead Lust is completely normal and so is acting on lust. If it hurts somebody (infidelity) than it's a problem, but I don't know if that applies to your situation. It almost sounds like you're afraid you'll get hurt--shame or guilt or something or a fear he'll look down on you? Just guessing. Otherwise, I don't know, you are in physical body that is designed to feel lust! The only misgiving I have, not that it matters, is that you say he's arrogant and a bit of an ass.
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:21 AM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor Thanks, you're quite perceptive. There's no infedelity involved (at least not that I know of) but I am afraid of getting hurt in a way I suppose. He's a Ph.D student and quite hot at the same time (although I'm objectively better looking than him), but I think that's the primary cause of his arrogance - the fact that he knows he's hot. But if he finds out he might feel like he has an upper hand... and I don't like that perception. I guess there's a tension because he thinks he's probably 'better' than me (fuck, he thinks he's better than 99% of people though) so in a way I don't want him to think he's won...there's a bit of a rivalry going on between us I guess. The fact that he is experienced gives him that edge though... I don't know, it can go either way. He's the type of person I can easily either have sex with, or flirt with and then turn away from him just at the point when I know he wants me, simply to piss him off... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981604) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:35 AM Author: Swashbuckling Stead Funny, this is starting to remind me of the flirtations that brought me to the loss of my virginity. She was super hot, knew it, and exerted this potency on me, much to my helplessness. I was considered a hot-item around school but shy and kind of inexperienced. I tried hard to play it very cool. In bed I just acted on instinct I guess. Anyway, as I remember it, those initial flirtations and that tension you speak of remain the practically the most electrifying part of it all. So enjoy it. You won't be young and hot forever, cliche I know. Anyway, I have to go work on a paper. Come to DC and I'll show you the ropes ;) But honestly, good luck.
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 6:07 AM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma Do you go to GULC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983155) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:43 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor Thanks for your advice. I'll see what happens. In the end, nothing might happen, ultimately... why is finding someone you like so damn hard? at least it is for me. :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993184) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: Maize boyish genital piercing chapel Same for me. I'm a 24 year old male virgin, and therefore damaged goods :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993208) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 6:03 AM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma If you act on lust, you have no discipline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983152) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 4:41 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor Is that so bad? I'm only 22, why is it wrong to act on lust? I figure I'll find love when I'm older anyway... if I'm only looking for long-term type of relationships now, i won't meet anyone for ages.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4986842) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:54 PM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma You'll regret having sex with a guy who you have no interest in having a relationship with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993270) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor that's not what I meant. I could see myself pursuing a relationship with him, but maybe not LT. I don't know... honestly, it's hard enough finding a guy I'm interested in (the only type of guys I'm interested in are good-looking (i.e. at least 8/10 in attractiveness), smart, witty, have some academic/intellectual interests... and not immature. Guys who are 21/22 and fit that criteria are really hard to find... even finding older guys who fit that and aren't taken is still pretty tough. Hence, I haven't had many bfs. I'm sorta at the point where I'm also just like fuck it, I'll date a guy who I'm physically attracted to, and his personality is OK but not someone I see myself dating for long... but we're still compatible. I'm still reluctant to date a guy who's only average in looks & intelligence though... then I'm not really attracted to them emotionally or physically and it sucks. That was what I suggested to Horace below though (i.e. finding a girl who's a 7/10, i.e. average) but I wouldn't feel satisfied with that personally... even lust would be lacking. but it's up to him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4994808) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:54 AM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma Where did you meet him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983145) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor At college. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4994829) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:47 AM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma Don't let anyone influence you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983140) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor what do you mean? i'm not really sure what this post is a reply to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4994839) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:57 PM Author: stimulating home I'd rather date a 27 year old virgin than a 27 year old who'd had sex one time w/ a prostitute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980827) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:59 PM Author: arousing point i actually got head from a hooker once. am i off limits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980839) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: stimulating home I thought you said you'd never been to 3rd base? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980879) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: arousing point isn't that like a sac fly or something? i don't know much about baseball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980889) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:55 PM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma Wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993276) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:00 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead for safety (STD) or morality/content of character? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980846) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:02 PM Author: stimulating home I'm very anti-prostitution because it's a vestage of misogyny. It's also creepy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980873) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: big-titted alpha I'm just going with creepy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980880) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead explain the misogyny part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980888) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:08 PM Author: stimulating home The whole women's bodies are things that can be sold thing....reinforces gender stereotypes, puts women in a worse position social, etc.
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:11 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead I'll have to think about that. i guess i see it as a reality that will not go away. Look at the most "moral" countries--lots of prostitution.
In a weird way I think one of the things that puts women in a worse position is when they're over-sexualized objects and this often happens from what I've seen in countries where sexual contact or any intimate contact is scarce. Women are treated very well for the most part in Holland and not, say, in ultra-religious societies generally. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:51 AM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen "The whole women's bodies are things that can be sold thing...."
I think anything can be sold if there's a supply and demand. Are surrogate mothers for pay selling their bodies any less? Is that also misogyny? How about people who work in mines? How about strippers?
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:49 AM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen "I'm very anti-prostitution because it's a vestage of misogyny."
You've got to be kidding me. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:00 PM Author: big-titted alpha You know that's a pretty good point actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980851) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:02 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor Exactly. That's why I suggested if he really wants to have sex and doesn't want to have his first time with a girl he's really emotionally invested in, then just have it with a girl he's not totally into, but finds alright. Those people are a dime a dozen, just go out to any bar get a few numbers, shouldn't be too hard... it's ultimately up to him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980871) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: big-titted alpha Yeah that's much better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980884) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:51 AM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen Can someone explain why that's better than a prostitute? Just logically speaking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981823) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:42 AM Author: racy soggy brunch laser beams yeah it's so easy for a 27 year old male virgin to go into a bar where he knows nobody and just get a few numbers and get laid. Uh huh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983135) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: multi-colored travel guidebook He's not going to volunteer that last part, obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980885) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:52 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead Yeah I saw. I agree but knowing somebody or being "comfortable" doesn't mean it will be necessarly be meaningful. He might be more uncomfortable this way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980765) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 10:57 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor that's true. You know what...I change my advice. I would say to meet someone, and become physically 'involved' with that person even if he's not totally into her. Like on a scale of 1-10 on how much he's really attracted to this girl, even just a 7. And then... maybe have sex. At least when he meets someone he's really into (i.e. that girl who is 10/10 in his books) it won't be so awkward (assuming he would be embarrassed/feel awkward about it.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980826) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:02 PM Author: Swashbuckling Stead I see what you're saying. Not being totally into somebody and screwing them can sometimes be hurtful though. It's kind of disingenuous really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980876) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor it's still better than a prostitute though, IMO. And please answer my question above! thanks. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980887) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:44 AM Author: racy soggy brunch laser beams yeah cuz a 27 year old male virgin has so many options he can just find a girl willing to fuck him who's a 7/10. Are you fucking stupid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983137) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:20 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor No. Girls who are 7/10 are a dime a dozen, especially in bars (or even a bit below, if he's desperate). Even if he's socially awkward, if he gets drunk and is moderately good looking he should be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4994762) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:07 PM Author: arousing point i have a better idea: why don't all you lovely xo girls draw straws? it's only fair. please help the cause against lonliness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980924) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:23 AM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983113) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: fishy sadistic trust fund dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4994505) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2006 11:17 PM Author: Laughsome parlour chad "Author: Horace
isn't that like a sac fly or something?"
he deserves to get laid for at least having a good sense of humor |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:03 AM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor bump, i'm leaving soon. Horace, give us an update on what you decide to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4981399) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 12:54 AM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen Lets be honest. Its different for a male and female in this case. Being a 27 year old female isn't a dealbreaker. In fact, its better than being a 27 year old female slut.
Being a 27 year old male virgin is a dealbreaker. I say have sex with the prostitute. Why? Its a sure thing, she'll actually be hot, and you won't feel pressured or stressed (no hooker is going to laugh at you. Hell, you can even tell her in advance). And no, you don't have to say it was with a hooker. Once you've done it once or twice, you'll have a little more confident and can try for non-pro chicks. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2006 5:44 AM Author: racy soggy brunch laser beams most hookers aren't hot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4983139) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:44 PM Author: cheese-eating fragrant juggernaut rigor credited. if they were hot and really interested in 'entertainment' they'd be going to higher places... modelling, going to acting school, etc. I think if he really wants a one-night stand type of thing, he should just pick up a random chick at a bar. Chances are she won't have STDs and although she might be a bit of a slut, she's probably more decent than a hooker... he might even enjoy her personality and would have at least talked with her for a bit before having sex, which won't be the case for a hooker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993190) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 1:59 PM Author: talking smoky gunner If he had any chance of picking up a girl in a bar, it would have happened long before now.
In his position, guys seem to have three realistic alternatives 1) the hooker 2) start a long term relationship with a woman who's sort of dorky or undesirable in some way, who will be willing to deal with a guy who's a virgin and probably kind of awkward himself or 3) pretend to be a religious virgin and marry a girl who's a religious virgin. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 2:00 PM Author: Maize boyish genital piercing chapel Man, those are 3 terrible options (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4993317) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: talking smoky gunner He's kind of in a bind. If he's 27, has been actively trying to find someone to date or have sex with, and hasn't gotten anywhere close, it seems likely he has some serious deficiencies. There are cute dorks who are just a little socially awkward - that's not always such a bad option for a guy who's a little awkward himself.
I suppose the fourth option is that he could devote a radical amount of effort to changing those features about himself (losing weight, taking drugs for social anxiety, internet dating), but I'd be curious why he hasn't tried any of that before now. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line "If he's 27, has been actively trying to find someone to date or have sex with, and hasn't gotten anywhere close, it seems likely he has some serious deficiencies."
Odds are that he hasn't been actively seeking partners. That in and of itself could be reflective of some serious deficiencies, but not necessarily. Even extreme social anxiety disorders can be conquered. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:45 PM Author: talking smoky gunner I'd consider that a deficiency, but a curable one. He probably needs to address whatever underlying problems he might have, but even then he's a little behind the game. A girl who's dorky but not ugly or one who places value on virginity might be a little more willing to tolerate his inexperience than other types. Girls in bars are a tough audience even more more experienced men; I doubt that's a good place for someone who has social anxiety to try out dating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995097) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:52 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line I'm not claiming that he should try to get laid at bars.
If he overcomes his anxiety (presuming that's his sole problem, which it may not be), he'll be able to pursue women that he's actually interested in dating, and occasionally he'll succeed. In other words, he'll be a normal guy. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:56 PM Author: talking smoky gunner That might be going too far. He's still going to lack a lot of social and sexual experience that his peers are going to expect. That in itself will be a bit of a hurdle with most women. I think he'll probably need to start off with someone who's going to be a little sympathetic - not a prostitute, but a girl who's going to be unusually understanding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995192) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 6:01 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line "He's still going to lack a lot of social and sexual experience that his peers are going to expect."
The lack social experience could be a real stumbling block, but not so much the lack of sexual experience. There's no reason for him to immediately advertise his virginity. Once he starts dating a woman and she develops enough interest in him to sleep with him, I'd say the odds are she'll ride it out. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 6:04 PM Author: talking smoky gunner I's agree it's not necessarily the virginity, but this guy seems to have almost no experience with dating or with sex within the context of dating. I don't think it's realistic to assume he's automatically going to be as capable of getting dates at the same rate as another guy - he's going to have some learning to do before he has much success.
As for whether a girl would be willing to deal with a total lack of sexual experience after a few dates, it depends a lot on what kind of girl he targets. A lot of women are still very willing to distance themselves from men who prove themselves to be strange in some way on the 3rd or 4th date. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen "Man, those are 3 terrible options"
Can someone explain to me why the hooker is a terrible option? I feel like I'm missing something. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:48 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line It's not really going to solve his real problem. Sure, his first vaginally-induced orgasm will be fun, but he won't magically become a more assertive guy afterwards. Now, he could see prostitutes for the rest of his life, but that would be expensive, and he'd miss out on actual conquests and fucking women he actually liked/loved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995117) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:51 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen He no longer has the stigma of being a virgin.
I'm sure the fact that even if he gets a chick into bed he won't really know what to do is causing him anxiety. The lack of this anxiety should make him more confident.
Yeah, this will be part of the solution, but he'll still have to work to get a real girl. But this should help. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:58 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line "He no longer has the stigma of being a virgin."
There's a real stigma against male virgins, but fortunately virginity (unlike say leprosy) carries no immediately distinguishable visual markers. Even huge dorks are generally given the benefit of the doubt.
"I'm sure the fact that even if he gets a chick into bed he won't really know what to do is causing him anxiety."
If this is actually a significant factor in his inability to pursue women, then you're right. But I doubt the antecedent. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 6:02 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen "virginity (unlike say leprosy) carries no immediately distinguishable visual markers"
Except total cluelessness when he does the act the first time. I would think it would definitely make him more nervous, and the anxiety that she'll somehow find out cannot possibly help.
"If this is actually a significant factor in his inability to pursue women, then you're right. But I doubt the antecedent."
Based on his info, what bothers him is being a virgin at 27. Not that he can't have a fulfiling relationship. I'm offering a definite solution to his issue. Furthermore, the confidence boost could help him with getting a fulfilling relationship.
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen "most hookers aren't hot."
The beauty of hookers is that its a market. He can pay more and get a hot chick. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:38 PM Author: umber orchestra pit personal credit line Just guessing, but even in New York you can probably get a nice piece for 300/hr. Not that I recommend doing so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995009) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen Dude, its his first time. If he wants to splurge (no pun intended), he should go right on ahead.
I recommend doing so. |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: arousing point hey all. i've been away for a couple of days. did we make any headway on my quest to get some fuckin' poon-tang? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995057) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:53 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen Dude, you have to actually make the choice and act. What do you want us to do? Order the hooker and send her to your room? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995171) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:56 PM Author: arousing point http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4980924 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995202) |
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Date: February 4th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: twinkling sticky liquid oxygen Dude, no wonder you're a virgin at 27. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=352119&forum_id=2#4995208) |