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Rowan, please explain why you changed your mind re: env law
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:36 PM Author: Heady deranged heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5173968) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:39 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I talked to an actual lawyer. He laughed at me. He explained that people who defend the environment do not work in firms, that environmental lawyers in big firms tend to work for the companies, and that if I wanted to work in a firm for big companies that was fine but that I shouldn't narrow it down to one specialty right away. He was right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5173989) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:40 PM Author: Heady deranged heaven Do you plan to, at some point in the future, pursue an environment-related law job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5173996) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:41 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency No, definitely not. I'm doing corporate transactional law. At some point after that conversation, and for totally unrelated reasons, I realized that I work a lot better with business types than with activist types.
And to be honest, I'm not up for living on a public interest salary - that's one of the reasons why my lawyer acquaintence was laughing at me. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:44 PM Author: Heady deranged heaven What about a govt sanctioned commision to investigate environment related concerns? Are these just jobs for people who are too unqualified to work at an actual practice? Aren't there any high paying govt (say NOAA or NWS) that would pay to have an in-house? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174023) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:45 PM Author: provocative house NWS = National Weather Service? hmm... I guess that's the environment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174038) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:48 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I'm really not even interested in environmental law now that I've seen what it involves. A lot of the documents are pretty dull, even compared to usual biglaw fare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174069) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 11:38 AM Author: Pontificating gas station tattoo Hi, Rowan! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956289) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:45 PM Author: provocative house What you mean is that you fucking sold out. You_are_a_sell_out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174032) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: red rigpig queen of the night Who cares? She's entitled to do so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174040) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: provocative house Joires, please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174044) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:47 PM Author: red rigpig queen of the night Please what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174060) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:51 PM Author: provocative house Please don't ever post a reply to one of my comments. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174091) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:52 PM Author: red rigpig queen of the night Fuck you, you self-important tree-hugger. And fuck the earth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174099) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:54 PM Author: provocative house You might actually be retarded. Please see a specialist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174113) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:55 PM Author: red rigpig queen of the night Right, I'm retarded because your dumbass can't realize that people want to make money and not do public interest shit for $30K a year.
Again: fuck the earth. And fuck you. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:56 PM Author: provocative house Dumb ass. Dumbass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174135) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:59 PM Author: red rigpig queen of the night Way to completely ignore my other points.
Dude, go light yourself on fire. . |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: nudist plaza chad A more effective way to convey your tone would have been: "Dumbass. Dumb ass." Instead of: "Dumb ass. Dumbass."
Here's hoping that this advice helps you. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: Milky milk pit Or she grew up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174048) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:47 PM Author: provocative house Grow up = buy first BMW.
Yes, she grew up; thanks for the insightful comment. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency But that was always the goal. It wasn't like I wanted to be a public interest lawyer and then changed my mind. I knew from the start that wasn't my kind of thing. I was just looking at firm practice areas and misinterpreted what one of them was all about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174080) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:52 PM Author: provocative house Okay. Sorry about jumping to the conclusion. The daily fare on XOXO is getting to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174097) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:55 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I still find the comment annoying, though. I think it's a little ridiculous to expect people to stop changing after they hit college. It's not always selling out - a lot of time people rethink their causes, learn more about a field and realize it's not for them (too depressing, too boring), or just realize that stability is more important to them than they thought. I think that's better than refusing to adopt one's ideas in light of experience or new facts, or sticking by something that makes you unhappy because you thought you wanted it when you knew nothing about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174120) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 4:55 PM Author: Racy navy parlor some people also realize that a lot of activism is really, really dumb when you actually understand the situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5175922) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 2:10 PM Author: Milky milk pit "thanks for the insightful comment."
You're welcome. Please refrain from using the term "sell out" in the future. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: Heady deranged heaven I can understand not wanting to work w/those activist types. They typically are odorous and would rely on emotions to complete the logic games section of the LSAT. But there must be some more prestigious environment related work?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174051) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:48 PM Author: provocative house Earthjustice.org, NRDC.org. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174067) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:47 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Not really. I certainly never had any ambition to save the world on a modest salary - I was looking at kinds of firm work, after all, not public interest fields. It just sounded like a more interesting thing to do at afirm. When I found out it wasn't what I thought it was, I looked at other kinds of firm work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174059) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: Umber tanning salon What about plaintiff firms that pursue env. class action cases...like that movie "A Civil Action." Do any of these jobs exist in the real world? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174076) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:50 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Probably, but I don't know much about them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174085) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:53 PM Author: provocative house The guy from A Civil Action joined http://www.lieffcabraser.com/ourfirm.htm .
I had a friend who worked there and didn't care for it though. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting lettuce A careful read of that book will indicate the protagonist (lawyer) ended up penniless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5176020) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: Heady deranged heaven Thanks, good insights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174077) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: provocative house If that's true, I was overly critical. However, if you don't mind, would you please post your PS?
I'll wager $100 it says either a) you want to protect the environment, or b) you want to help children. Diverging from that stated goal = sell_out. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:53 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency God, I don't think so. I had already done my research and decided against the environmental stuff by that point, and I never wanted to help kids. I think I wrote about some independent research I did and how it tied into my law school ambitions. I had a really bad PS.
I was always a fairly greedy bitch - hell, I worked full time in undergrad so I could have nice clothes and a big apartment. But on behalf of all the other 20-year-olds, I should say that many people rethink their ideals over the years. I'm definitely less of an environmentalist and far more moderate than I thought I was at 20, and I think that's a good thing. Freezing your ideas isn't admirable as far as I'm concerned. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 1:55 PM Author: provocative house You're thoughtful Rowan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174117) |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 2:24 PM Author: Vengeful chapel telephone ...and you're not, you stupid hippie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174378) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 12:41 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal Having nice clothes and a big apartment is kind of useless when you're butt ugly. Sorry, but that's the truth. You'd be more attractive and happy if you could get beyond your hangups on stuff like that. Because deep down you know that the best any clothing will do for you is make you a 3 instead of a 2.5 (and no, I'm not exageraing those ratings; the only thing you have going for you lookswise is that you are not fat) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956492) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 12:52 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I don't think many people rent nice apartments hoping to look more attractive. Some nice things are enjoyable in and of themselves, even by us ugly people. As for adding .5 in looks, that sounds like a nice benefit if all you have to do to achieve it is shop somewhere better than k-mart.
Though I don't know why you felt the need to comment on a 2 year old thread. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:02 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal Someone else bumped it.
I guess my point was, the time you spent working full time and the money you spent that you earned from that might have made your life happier had you spent the time/money on something other than clothes/rent. And being attractive (or relatively more attractive) brings many rewards, including people treating you better and making new social connections. A good personality and developing talents other than work/material things = a way to be relatively more attractive & sociable.
I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you. Maybe HLS and NYC have blinded you. I can understand that bc I live in a city too, but c'mon Rowan... |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:09 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency But you haven't suggested anything that sounds more appealing. Nor have you explained why looks should be a factor in this sort of decision - why should pretty people have the right to material pleasures but not ugly ones?
You also seem to be assuming that I'm devastated by being ugly, and have no social life as a result, which isn't the case. I'm ok with how I look, my romantic life is fine, and I'm satisfied with my social connections. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:16 PM Author: mahogany tank orchestra pit "my romantic life is fine"
Who replaced teacher boy? |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:16 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Banker boy. Definite improvement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956637) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:23 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956666) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:28 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Goodness, aren't you good at assuming things. I donate money to charity, though I prefer microlending organizations, and I do light volunteer work at a nursing home a couple hours every Sunday. I don't even work in biglaw.
That being said, I think you're wrong about making the world a better place leading to happiness. I know some very happy people whose entire lives center around themselves and their families, and also some incredibly miserable activists. A substantial percentage of happiness is based on inate personal characteristics. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: Tripping national yeah, i don't think he was trying to make any legit points. he was just trying to convey: "i'm superior, genteel, and not strivey, because i value things like 'happiness' and 'charity work' over 'money'...though let's face it, talking about money makes me uncomfortable...although i won't forget to note, parenthetically at the end of my post, that lest you mistake me for some poor, i have really rich friends!!!"
he was trying to do some kind of subtle effortless-money schtick and ended up just embarassing himself. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I get the sense it's just an elaborate excuse to call people ugly. Which is so very genteel, you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956688) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: Tripping national yeah i can just picture him sitting esconced in his darienshire estate, sporting an heirloom monacle, stroking his aristocratically-bred jack russel terrier and posting all day on a message board to the effect of: "biglaw chicks are 5s at best, HTFH. i prefer doggie w/a sweet teacher or massage therapist or 'high class escort' any day." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956698) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I think BIGLAW women are clustered around a 5 with some higher and some lower. The rest of your post is just gibberish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956715) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I probably value aesthetics more than you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956703) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: disrespectful cumskin Please post a picture of yourself so the board can critique you. TYIA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956711) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I don't need the board to tell me, I know where I stand because I can see my relationship partners and have a good idea of who I could/could not get. I'm not a 10, but I'm between a 7-8 depending on who you'd ask. I'm probably a male version of Blondielaw--have some flaws for sure, but have a lot of positives as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956752) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:55 PM Author: disrespectful cumskin Based on her responses, Rowan knows where she stands as far as looks are concerned, too. Why the fuck do you think you need to point out her flaws? Do you think she doesn't have eyes? If she wanted to change her appearance, she would have done it. It really isn't your place to tell her how she needs to change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956771) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:59 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal You're right. I should've just let the whole thing go. I felt like people were pushing back at me so I should take advantage of the fact Rowan's picture is floating around out there.
She seems nice and well adjusted. I regret doing that a few min ago.
I'm going to also edit it out, lest people see it and decide they should act that way towards Rowan. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 2:01 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I'd actually prefer you leave it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956806) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Why do you care so much about the appearance of someone you don't know, though? I don't want straight hair or plastic surgery, and I'm fine with what I see in the mirror. I'm also fine with the range of sexual partners and friends available to me. Perhaps you'd be happier if you didn't concern yourself with problems that other people don't want fixed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956712) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal You might be right. I probably erred in posting because I was assuming you fell within the range of how most people are. If you're truly happy that is awesome. And you're right I probably should pick up *some* aspects of how you are (not worrying about others) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956720) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Tripping national no monacle? no prize sporting terrier?!
*reels from shock* |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Perhaps this is the anti-174. Rich in spirit (and perhaps some straightening chemicals and plastic surgery), if not in material possessions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956750) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:52 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I have loans to pay off so not worried about material stuff. I havent paid off lawloans yet. Even when I do, I doubt I'll splurge much. My role model is someone more like Joe Pa (you can mock me for that if you want). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956761) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:58 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Like I said, I don't really care what you do. But being preachy about it is kind of a lame trait. Frugality and charity aren't the only virtues - there's something to be said for things like kindness and tolerance and broad-mindedness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956783) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:59 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal You're right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956795) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: Tripping national whatever. i would be a little scared if some gauche unmonacled pleb actually DID approve of my looks, apartment, lifestyle, etc. it would be a signal that my taste level left something to be desired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956765) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I didn't edit, douche. It's a community account.
I just don't particularly care for nice clothes or supernice apartments or "stuff" bc its like putting lipstick on a pig unless you're happy.
I don't work for an NGO or Public Interest... maybe I should stfu and do so. You're right about that part. I guess I was referring to my sense that a lot of ppl waste their money on stupid material stuff. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency Different people like different things.
Personally, I think it's easier to be happy if you worry less about what others are doing and concentrate on your own life. |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal Fair enough. Like I said youre an outlier and thats a good thing--it would be boring if everyone was the same. But by the same token I can't really convince you of anything bc we're so different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956707) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency That's certainly true. Your argument is based mostly around the idea that I'd be more pleasing to you and others like you if I changed, and be happier as a result. It doesn't really work unless I'm actually interested joining your social circle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956723) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:19 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956649) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency It's all relative. The people I choose to socialize with don't have much in common with you either, if you want the truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956678) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:32 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I do tend to avoid the really annoying BIGLAW slaves who talk about summering on fire island or whatever as if it was a proxy for having class. Oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956686) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: Tripping national lol i am pretty sure that anyone who talks about summering on fire island and, in doing so, attempts to convey some trait about himself is actually using fire island as a proxy for having...teh ghey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956691) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal Replace Fire Is. with Shelter Is. or Nantucket or Southampton or whatever. I find all of that teh lame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956705) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: Tripping national where do you summer?
or do you not object to these places but, rather, to ppl referencing them in an attempt to seem prestigious? |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 1:57 PM Author: Thriller startled box office sneaky criminal I dont know the difference between those places because I "summer" by taking a normal vacation to normal places that I grew up going to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956780) |
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Date: November 30th, 2007 2:01 PM Author: ruddy razzmatazz national security agency I don't "summer" anywhere, but why is someone who grew up going to the Hamptons or Nantucket more condemnable? For them, that is a normal vacation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#8956803) |
Date: February 24th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: Adulterous irate newt Check into the D.C. firm McDermott I think it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174042) |