\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

Is this credited advice for junior transactional associates?

Aggregate questions. Don't just call/fire an email to the as...
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3725754&mc=82&am...
White Twisted Half-breed Casino
  09/19/17
...
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
I can't believe you typed this whole thing out. JFC. Dece...
drab center
  09/19/17
it's probably copy/pasted from an e-mail he got
Titillating Green Stain
  09/19/17
this is all 180.
dull school cafeteria personal credit line
  09/19/17
Aren't you a shitlawyer?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
this advice translates well to shitlaw also. spaceporn alway...
blathering stimulating locale goyim
  09/19/17
...
drab center
  09/19/17
You always have to answer an email. if there is nothing it ...
dull school cafeteria personal credit line
  09/19/17
also asking for precedent wen you are drafting something is ...
dull school cafeteria personal credit line
  09/19/17
LOL at low IQ spaceporn replying to his own post as if he &q...
Drunken keepsake machete
  09/19/17
...
well-lubricated black giraffe
  09/19/17
...
well-lubricated black giraffe
  09/19/17
...
well-lubricated black giraffe
  09/20/17
...
Dark Wild Digit Ratio
  09/19/17
Most of that is just common sense (or things you'll be requi...
concupiscible son of senegal
  09/19/17
Thanks.
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
whats the cliché--common sense isn't common
dull school cafeteria personal credit line
  09/19/17
that's definitely true, ofs. the other thing i'd add is ...
concupiscible son of senegal
  09/19/17
QUIT
Glittery Ticket Booth
  09/19/17
...
lilac startled rigor
  09/19/17
I didn't read all that but the #1 tranny skill is just stayi...
twinkling floppy hall corn cake
  09/19/17
Is "deal momentum" a real thing?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
I've been involved on deals where someone is not responsive ...
twinkling floppy hall corn cake
  09/19/17
Does it really matter?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
to the extent that the junior will take shit for it
unhinged arousing organic girlfriend
  09/19/17
IME it's more reflective of a mid-level/senior/service partn...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
What does it mean to "take the pen"?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
draft
unhinged arousing organic girlfriend
  09/19/17
Why not just say that?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
idk why did you choose say over write? it's a stylistic choi...
unhinged arousing organic girlfriend
  09/19/17
Makes you sound like a faggot, that's why
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
Its different/has a more specific meaning than "draft.&...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
You're the attorney expected to handle the bulk of the draft...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
Some more: Don't say your name when prompted by a dial in...
aphrodisiac quadroon
  09/19/17
...
dull school cafeteria personal credit line
  09/19/17
Being a transactional lawyer generally sucks, but being a ju...
Razzle dun party of the first part
  09/19/17
Better than litigation
Sapphire state
  09/19/17
True. Other than the money (at least compared to a lot of c...
Razzle dun party of the first part
  09/19/17
transactional will always be better than litigation because ...
drab center
  09/19/17
yes, but they both have to be lawyers....and you only get on...
Razzle dun party of the first part
  09/19/17
fair
drab center
  09/19/17
It's really good advice. I would add that the juniors should...
lime tanning salon
  09/19/17
Shouldn't paralegals be doing this?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
(YLS tranny junior on his first day)
twinkling floppy hall corn cake
  09/19/17
This thread made me realize that I'm a terrible tranny lawye...
lilac startled rigor
  09/19/17
This feels a lot more capital markets/finance-y than workada...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
What does "real lawyer work" consist of in tranny?
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
The main sections in the document that relate to issues wher...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
The price and assets are already agreed to bro
twinkling floppy hall corn cake
  09/19/17
Client = inhouse lawyer unless you're some dirt lawyer filli...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
...
drab center
  09/19/17
lol seriously? So when transactional lawyers say they talk t...
laughsome trump supporter jewess
  09/19/17
There are usually some business/sales guys involved. But ...
drab center
  09/19/17
Probably depends on the inhouse lawyer and the nature and si...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
this is MFCR. outside counsel almost always slow deals down,...
Sapphire state
  09/19/17
great advice. this should be printed out and given to every ...
Crimson Weed Whacker Garrison
  09/19/17
CR. The stubborn refusal by boomer lawyers and the legal cu...
big maize community account step-uncle's house
  09/19/17
jfc that OP is giving me PTSD
Duck-like Theater Stage Blood Rage
  09/19/17
I hate 3. I disagree with it. The last thing I want is mor...
sticky nubile idiot area
  09/19/17
That's dumb - if they don't do it (which plenty don't, being...
swashbuckling library tank
  09/19/17
You have juniors who just blow off work? I'm really sensi...
sticky nubile idiot area
  09/19/17
I think "will do" emails are important unless a ta...
supple abusive location gunner
  09/19/17
This should be required reading for any intelligent person t...
Pungent Marvelous Pit Persian
  09/20/17


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 8:37 AM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Aggregate questions. Don't just call/fire an email to the associate above you whenever you have a question, but keep a running list of your questions and then ask them all once you reach the point where you need answers to progress the work product. Exceptions will be when you're running up against a deadline and are in constant back and forth finalizing things, but otherwise aggregate and ask at once. That said, don't send an email at 9:00 pm that you could have sent at 4:30 pm because you're trying to think of more questions.

You'll probably have a checklist for a deal that has all the documents needed, who has to sign them, closing actions needed, etc. Try to keep the checklist up to date as much as possible, even when no one is telling you to, so anyone can take a look and see where things are/you'll have ready answers to questions anyone on the team asks you. If you're sending around an updated checklist to the internal team every day or two, unprompted, you'll look like you've got things under control and will look good.

Respond to every email requesting you do a task, even if you aren't getting to it for a bit. Even a simple "will do" eases the mind of the person making the request, annoying as it may seem to send those pointless emails. When I had a junior who wouldn't respond until the task was done, I would freak out that maybe he was out of the office or slammed on other deals and wasn't processing what was going on for my deal. Wasn't good for anyone. And this goes doubly so for responding to clients.

You'll probably have a lot more client contact than your litigation colleagues early on. You'll probably get plenty of questions you don't know the answer to. Just answer what you can, defer on the stuff you don't know and say you're checking internally, and let the team know if there's anything worth discussing.

Unless you're told otherwise, try to dial-in to every conference call you can for the deal. Sometimes a client may be cost conscious so don't do this if you're told not to, but they can be great ways to learn about deal flow, hear the reasoning behind business points, and learn how partners/senior associates deal with clients and opposing counsel, which are skills that you'll pick up on.

Clients and partners believe in something called "deal momentum," which means if the deal isn't moving and documents aren't progressing fast enough, they start getting antsy. Just be ready for it and even if it seems like there's no reason they are pressuring you to get some ancillary document out, that's probably the reason.

Watch out for any version control issues. Specialists will send comments on an earlier version, there might be multiple opposing counsels who don't aggregate comments, partners will make their changes in the system version without versioning up, etc. Make sure your redlines are really showing the changes between the versions you say they are, there's no way to lose credibility faster than sending redlines that don't show all the changes since the last version.

Speaking about specialists (e.g., tax, IP, ERISA, etc.), if you're the one tasked with coordinating with them, make sure they see every new version of the docs that come in from the other side, even if just as an FYI, since the other side may not be copying them all from your side. Having a good tax specialist who can eyeball docs for you quickly can be a life saver, so try to make their jobs easy whenever you can so that when you're really jammed and need them to jump on something, they're amenable to it. Generally, they are always working fewer hours then the corporate team and are thankful for getting on deals/being forwarded emails they aren't copied on, so they appreciate updates and new versions for them to eyeball.

You're responsible for the signature pages. If you have a substantive question about who should sign something, feel free to run it up the flagpole, but don't expect the mid-level or senior to eyeball the signature packets to make sure you didn't miss something or you have the right entity name. Some will, if they're nice, but it really is on you.

You may be tempted to ease into things from a workload perspective your first year, but you'll really learn a lot if you're busy as a junior. Obviously you don't want to take on more than you can handle and it will be hard to figure out where the line is, but the best way to progress as an associate is to do more deals early on.

If you have any interest in capital markets and there's a chance to do some offerings as a junior, jump on them. Things like IPOs are very cyclical and can largely dry up for a couple years, and by the time they come back if you're the guy without experience, you won't get staffed on them.

Always ask for a preferred precedent when someone asks you to draft a document or a section of a document. Ideally you'll have a precedent deal you can look at for anything that pops up for your current deal, but if not (or even if just confirming) ask the mid-level/senior if there's an old document you can steal language from. It'll make your life easier to have a good starting place.

That said, don't just blindly follow the precedent since it will invariably require customization to work for the current deal. Read it critically to see what should stay and what should go, and ask questions if needed.

Diligence sucks, especially if it's for some M&A deal and they need it done over the weekend. There's not much to say other than you have to suck it up. But, make sure you know what you're looking for. Ask if there are any documents or types of documents you should prioritize. Ask if they're looking for anything in particular or just red flags. Ask if/how they want your findings summarized (and if they want a formal memo, ask for a precedent). If possible, get your document services to print off the contents of the data room so you can read it in hard copy instead of on the screen (or spending your time printing everything off yourself, which neither you nor the client wants).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241642)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: White Twisted Half-breed Casino

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3725754&mc=82&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242838)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:17 AM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241785)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:20 AM
Author: drab center

I can't believe you typed this whole thing out. JFC.

Decent enough advice, I guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241796)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:21 AM
Author: Titillating Green Stain

it's probably copy/pasted from an e-mail he got

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241803)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:21 AM
Author: dull school cafeteria personal credit line

this is all 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241800)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:23 AM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Aren't you a shitlawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241808)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:26 AM
Author: blathering stimulating locale goyim

this advice translates well to shitlaw also. spaceporn always makes sure to respond "will do" when he receives an email from one of the two partners at his firm, even if he won't be getting to the project for a while because he's held up in small claims court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241823)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:27 AM
Author: drab center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241829)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:31 AM
Author: dull school cafeteria personal credit line

You always have to answer an email. if there is nothing it is deeply unsettling. I supervise others too.

Also, doing a bunch of questions at once is way better than bugging the fuck out of your supervisor all the time. I used to write all my shit down on a sheet of paper and then when my legit family law shitlaw boss would be in the office same time as me in the latter part of the day i'd get direction from him all at once. He appreciated it as he could keep moving and not be interrupted.

Also, interesting point on conference calls for noobies. I suppose that really is the way to look at it. shut up and listen, and ask questions of your mentor later for stuff you don't understand. They wont mind if you are tyring to understand why one point is more significant than another point, or why they are doing this instead of that. That wil be pleasurable for any supervising atty to respond to, so lonmg as you do it intelligently and signal that you are getting something out of the conference calls.

But yeah, the email thing is important. It drives people wild not knowing if the handoff is successful or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241849)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: dull school cafeteria personal credit line

also asking for precedent wen you are drafting something is mandatory. seems obvious but a lot of little kid bros will try to make the whole thing from scratch, and then supervisor is like wtf is this shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241889)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 7:02 PM
Author: Drunken keepsake machete

LOL at low IQ spaceporn replying to his own post as if he "had an additional thought and added it," trying to retroactively add some semblance of plausibility to his lame coverup story from when he got caught red handed trying to sock puppet in the Charlottesville/heart attack thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246234)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: well-lubricated black giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246500)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 8:16 PM
Author: well-lubricated black giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246686)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 20th, 2017 2:02 AM
Author: well-lubricated black giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34248770)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:52 PM
Author: Dark Wild Digit Ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244626)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:54 AM
Author: concupiscible son of senegal

Most of that is just common sense (or things you'll be required to do anyway, like the CP checklist) but keeping the tax and ERISA folks in the loop is good advice.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34241991)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 10:38 AM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242224)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: dull school cafeteria personal credit line

whats the cliché--common sense isn't common

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242275)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: concupiscible son of senegal

that's definitely true, ofs.

the other thing i'd add is that, in my experience at least, board members can be very difficult to track down on short notice. so get your sig pages in order.

also, make friends with the person at your firm who does the DE filings. i once had a junior forget to get bring down certificates and we were able to get it sorted in very short order because we were very friendly with the woman who handled it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242528)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: Glittery Ticket Booth

QUIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242278)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: lilac startled rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242313)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: twinkling floppy hall corn cake

I didn't read all that but the #1 tranny skill is just staying organized and being really responsive throughout the day. Keep moving shit forward as soon as possible. Being organized is key cuz you have a billion 15 min tasks. And if you slack for a few days you can be buried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242308)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Is "deal momentum" a real thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242321)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:04 AM
Author: twinkling floppy hall corn cake

I've been involved on deals where someone is not responsive and it creates a whole culture where everyone starts taking their sweet time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242338)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 1:10 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Does it really matter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243241)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 1:25 PM
Author: unhinged arousing organic girlfriend

to the extent that the junior will take shit for it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243311)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:05 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

IME it's more reflective of a mid-level/senior/service partner who isn't taking the pen for all the key sections of the main docs, but is staffed on the deal and trying to manufacture hours. That said, it's still a real "pop quiz" for the junior and if you fuck it up its going to get around to others on the deal team and make you look bad. In fact, this is a specific "skill" that mediocre mid-levels and seniors develop in order to stay relevant for rainmaker partners and keep getting staffed on deals. Nobody in a firm actually enjoys "managing" or "coaching" junior associates, and rainmaker partner and best-drafting mid-levels/seniors/service partners won't always get a chance to check your work and get a sense of whether you're organized and responsive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244199)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:10 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

What does it mean to "take the pen"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244259)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:19 PM
Author: unhinged arousing organic girlfriend

draft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244335)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Why not just say that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244347)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: unhinged arousing organic girlfriend

idk why did you choose say over write? it's a stylistic choice who cares.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244360)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Makes you sound like a faggot, that's why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244367)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

Its different/has a more specific meaning than "draft." It's more like "drafting bitch." But given how sensitive you seem to be about firm lingo I'm going to assume you're a shitlaw moron so none of this is relevant to you anyway and you're likely having a tough time following the discussion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244413)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

You're the attorney expected to handle the bulk of the drafting and lead calls on the key outstanding points in the main agreements. Everyone senior to you will be talking to you about those key points when necessary and according to their expertise per the instructions of the partners managing the deal. At my firm this person was usually a highly trusted associate v a service partner (who were usually experts weighing in v taking the laboring oar on the drafting), but some service partners and of counsel would still insist on doing it themselves. That also depended on deal size and client cost consciousness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244366)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: aphrodisiac quadroon

Some more:

Don't say your name when prompted by a dial in service, just press #.

Keep mute on for conference calls.

Widow, label and hide doc number for signature pages. Try to avoid follow-up requests for additional signatures.

Fight every point on opinions. It's easy to think they don't matter much but you run into the same firms over and over and any concession will come back to haunt you in future deals.

Try to clear ancillary docs quickly but hold comments for strategic use, either offensively to jam opposing counsel or defensively when they try to jam you. You don't want the other side to be able to say that they are ready to close and are waiting on you.

Understand who has ownership of a document. If another firm does, don't waste time updating drafts on your DMS or sending formal blacklines. Just send handmarked or track change comments.

Copy and paste dollar amounts, wire instructions etc. directly from client correspondence. If you do a calculation, get client signoff.

If you contest a point, offer a solution and proposed language at the same time. Do not ask the other side to propose language.

Understand deal flow. There will be a crux, usually on a business term, and once that gets resolved there will be great pressure to sweep aside any remaining legal points and close immediately. Clients must be educated and disciplined to not start giving up legal points at this stage. You often see a high level type businessperson making ridiculous legal concessions at this stage in the belief they are some big shot making the tough calls to get stuff done. This can be dangerous, but can also be used to your client's advantage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242649)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: dull school cafeteria personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242677)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:53 AM
Author: Razzle dun party of the first part

Being a transactional lawyer generally sucks, but being a junior tranny really really sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242670)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: Sapphire state

Better than litigation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242681)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: Razzle dun party of the first part

True. Other than the money (at least compared to a lot of corporate jobs), being a lawyer sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242709)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 11:58 AM
Author: drab center

transactional will always be better than litigation because of exit options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242719)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: Razzle dun party of the first part

yes, but they both have to be lawyers....and you only get one life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242745)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: drab center

fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34242788)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 1:23 PM
Author: lime tanning salon

It's really good advice. I would add that the juniors should make sure that all documents etc are kept completely up-to-date on the firms DMS system

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243300)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 2:37 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

Shouldn't paralegals be doing this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243959)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:09 PM
Author: twinkling floppy hall corn cake

(YLS tranny junior on his first day)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244247)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 1:27 PM
Author: lilac startled rigor

This thread made me realize that I'm a terrible tranny lawyer. I already knew I was bad, but being reminded of this fact still sucks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243318)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:18 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

This feels a lot more capital markets/finance-y than workaday M&A, but it's credited anyway. The main take home point for juniors is that you're a glorified secretary and are basically involved to watch the real lawyers do things so that theoretically you will know something about it if called upon to do real lawyer work in the future. This is both annoying (you're judged based on how well you kiss ass) and good (you'll be making 3x what secretaries make). And you can actually make up for a mistake here or there if you are interested in the legal work and ask smart questions about key moments in the deal, show the partners and associates QBing that you're trying and the grind of being a bitch isn't wearing you down. That's where ONE | WRONG | MOVE is a little too reductive, but it still gets at the essential point that juniors and mid-levels are constantly reminded that they're fungible and easily replaced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244322)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:19 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

What does "real lawyer work" consist of in tranny?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244331)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:28 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

The main sections in the document that relate to issues where the client actually cares /wants a desired outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244426)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:30 PM
Author: twinkling floppy hall corn cake

The price and assets are already agreed to bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244439)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:37 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

Client = inhouse lawyer unless you're some dirt lawyer filling out forms for rich people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244509)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: drab center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244528)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:42 PM
Author: laughsome trump supporter jewess

lol seriously? So when transactional lawyers say they talk to clients, it's always Some cost center in house loser? Do you ever talk to any actual business people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244549)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: drab center

There are usually some business/sales guys involved.

But the guy that determines whether you're going to get more business from that client is the in-house attorney, usually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244564)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

Probably depends on the inhouse lawyer and the nature and size of outstanding issues in the deal. I'm inhouse and I've done it both ways, but generally prefer to be in between outside counsel and my business clients because my business clients usually have a hard time understanding that most outside counsel have an incentive to make things unnecessarily complicated and won't stick their neck out on any substantive call to the point of being irrational from a business perspective. Most times when I've put business people directly on the phone the result was overly conservative advice and unnecessary delays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244596)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 7:05 PM
Author: Sapphire state

this is MFCR. outside counsel almost always slow deals down, can't provide practical advice, or can't translate legalese to easy to understand issues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246252)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: Crimson Weed Whacker Garrison

great advice. this should be printed out and given to every junior on their first day. yet another example of how 120 law is that clearly setting expectations like this is the exception and not the rule.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243492)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 3:36 PM
Author: big maize community account step-uncle's house

CR. The stubborn refusal by boomer lawyers and the legal culture they built to take any responsibility for developing younger generations is so wildly inefficient that Gen X and millennials have to find a way to use it against them. It would be so dumb to miss the opportunity, but their secret weapons of school loans and constant real estate bubbles keep us under wraps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34244498)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 2:40 PM
Author: Duck-like Theater Stage Blood Rage

jfc that OP is giving me PTSD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34243988)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: sticky nubile idiot area

I hate 3. I disagree with it. The last thing I want is more emails and distractions, particularly useless inbox clutter like "Thanks." or "Will do." or--even worse--the "Thanks!" to the "Thanks." email. If I ask a junior to do something, of course I expect it to be done -- it's out of my mind and I'm trusting that it will be done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246549)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 8:00 PM
Author: swashbuckling library tank

That's dumb - if they don't do it (which plenty don't, being shithead juniors and all), you're blamed. Better to micromanage unless you can get one super trusted junior you always work with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246583)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: sticky nubile idiot area

You have juniors who just blow off work?

I'm really sensitive to the unnecessary emails. I hate them. They're so distracting. Would love to have one of those jobs where I could check email twice/day and not be constantly bombarded with the little popup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34246605)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2017 9:48 PM
Author: supple abusive location gunner

I think "will do" emails are important unless a task would only take 5 mins and the junior should just immediately do it. I don't think there are any juniors at my firm that would straight-up blow off work, but someone might be stuck on a call or meeting for hours, or at lunch, or out for the weekend - if you don't get any kind of response, you might wait for a few hours then realize you're going to have to do it yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34247226)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 20th, 2017 7:57 AM
Author: Pungent Marvelous Pit Persian

This should be required reading for any intelligent person thinking about going to law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3736277&forum_id=2#34249254)